Real racers have USCF creds

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Date: 26 Feb 2005 01:28:18
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Subject: Real racers have USCF creds

Thats right. Ride the USCF events if you want speed. Thats where that
Gig is at.
Bents? Well lets just say that the bent world has a ways to go to catch
up if they ever do.
So, Bentland will get some top riders from USCF land but not the other
way around. So, The DF world rules after all for speed and fitness.
Just the way it is but someone has to point out the facts!
Is there anyone under 30 on this site?

MG

Date: 28 Feb 2005 12:14:56
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

magillagorillakk@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thats right. Ride the USCF events if you want speed.

Am I missing something here, or did 90% of the pro peloton change
nationality without the newspapers finding out?

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Date: 28 Feb 2005 13:33:02
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

Dave Larrington wrote:

> Am I missing something here, or did 90% of the pro peloton change
> nationality without the newspapers finding out?

You're clearly labouring under the ridiculous misapprehension that
anything outside the USA is worthwhile, or even exists. We're probably
products of our own diseased imaginations, for a start... ;-/

Pete.
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Date: 28 Feb 2005 09:16:22
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote
> Dave Larrington wrote:
>
> > Am I missing something here, or did 90% of the pro peloton change
> > nationality without the newspapers finding out?

Something tells me after the recent Dinsdale "NoCom" Piranha
activity, we're now seeing the work of Doug in the newsgroup.

>
> You're clearly labouring under the ridiculous misapprehension that
> anything outside the USA is worthwhile, or even exists. We're probably
> products of our own diseased imaginations, for a start... ;-/

Haven't you heard Bush II^2 Doctrine: We now foster the
illusion that you matter.

The real question is will Texas ExPat Lance make it 7?

Jon Meinecke

Date: 28 Feb 2005 00:11:36
From:
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

Thanks Tom!
Great post on the bent DF history thing.
I am in no way saying that DF's are faster than bents just a disscusion
on the way the bicycle world is at the moment.
I know you do not care for the Highracer design and prefere a lowracer
but there is a lot of buzz in the DF world with bikes like the Aero.
Simple, light weight and can fit on a standard car rack either on top
of or on a trailor hitch mount. And one only has to carry one sise
spare tube. They can't be all that bad just because of that right Tom?

Mr. Gorilla

Date: 28 Feb 2005 21:39:08
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

magillagorillakk@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Tom!
> Great post on the bent DF history thing.
> I am in no way saying that DF's are faster than bents just a disscusion
> on the way the bicycle world is at the moment.
> I know you do not care for the Highracer design and prefere a lowracer
> but there is a lot of buzz in the DF world with bikes like the Aero.
> Simple, light weight and can fit on a standard car rack either on top
> of or on a trailor hitch mount. And one only has to carry one sise
> spare tube. They can't be all that bad just because of that right Tom?

Mr. Gorilla,

I will not name names, but a couple of the most vocal lowracer monkeys
have privately admitted that the Aero is a good bike. As you know, not
all things posted publicly from both sides should be taken too
seriously. There are some things I would do differently than Bacchetta
does with the Aero (in particular, it needs a continuously adjustable
seat if this has not been done already), but overall it is a quite
respectable effort. I expect Bacchetta will continue to refine the design.

I still believe that the lowracer is faster in windy conditions, all
else being equal, but I could see the highracer being the better mount
for certain conditions (e.g. "driftless area" of SW Wisconsin and NE Iowa).

I have considered getting a highracer just to get farther away from the
pavement in hot weather. I have observed that I am consistently faster
than certain people are when the temperature is below 70F, but
consistently slower than the same people when the temperature is over
80F and the proximity to the ground on the lowracer does not help.
However, on a cool, windy spring or fall day, I would prefer a lowracer.

Not surprisingly, the best tool varies with conditions.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Date: 28 Feb 2005 22:47:40
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com > wrote in message
news:38i66dF5ocpm6U1@individual.net...
> magillagorillakk@hotmail.com wrote:

> I still believe that the lowracer is faster in windy conditions, all
> else being equal, but I could see the highracer being the better mount
> for certain conditions (e.g. "driftless area" of SW Wisconsin and NE
Iowa).

Just curious but why would a low racer be faster under any weather
condition? I should think performance should be identical

> I have considered getting a highracer just to get farther away from the
> pavement in hot weather. I have observed that I am consistently faster
> than certain people are when the temperature is below 70F, but
> consistently slower than the same people when the temperature is over
> 80F and the proximity to the ground on the lowracer does not help.
> However, on a cool, windy spring or fall day, I would prefer a lowracer.

I get better performance during the summer than spring or fall on the Baron
and never noticed any more road heat on it compared to the Vision.

(and Texas has some very hot summers)

Date: 28 Feb 2005 23:48:59
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

k Leuck wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message
> news:38i66dF5ocpm6U1@individual.net...
>
>>magillagorillakk@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>I still believe that the lowracer is faster in windy conditions, all
>>else being equal, but I could see the highracer being the better mount
>>for certain conditions (e.g. "driftless area" of SW Wisconsin and NE
>
> Iowa).
>
> Just curious but why would a low racer be faster under any weather
> condition? I should think performance should be identical....

Viscous boundary drag causes wind speed to decrease to zero at the
boundary and to a lesser extent with distance from the fixed boundary.
Therefore, with identical riding positions, the lowracer rider with an
8-inch seat height will have lower aerodynamic drag into a headwind or
quartering wind than a highracer rider with a 22-inch seat height has.
And since more time is spend riding into a headwind than with a tailwind
on a closed loop circuit with steady wind, the overall advantage will go
to the lowracer. This is basic fluid mechanics.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Date: 27 Feb 2005 00:28:52
From:
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

flash_j_95060@yahoo.com wrote:
> Don't like bents; get the fuck outta here and take that racing only
> bullshit with you- another hateful subject. Free speech is such a
> phony name for unwanted crap. Look at the title of this group, and
> only a stupid retarded bastard would believe this group is at all
> interested in the shit on another source.
>
> Bryon Ball and I both started riding bents in our 20s, and others
admit
> that often. I don't know the guy, and never met him; but I can read.
> Being a fat ass loser is that 10 speed mentality. Many are skinny
and
> keep their weight down religeously- I am, and I do.
>
> If Bryon moderates out nonsensical bullshit not on a specific
subject;
> good for him. Nice to know at least someone on the east coast, or
> Germany, or wherever, has enough good sense to keep whiny 2 year olds
> out.
>
>
>
> magillagorillakk@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Thats right. Ride the USCF events if you want speed. Thats where
that
> > Gig is at.
> > Bents? Well lets just say that the bent world has a ways to go to
> catch
> > up if they ever do.
> > So, Bentland will get some top riders from USCF land but not the
> other
> > way around. So, The DF world rules after all for speed and fitness.
> > Just the way it is but someone has to point out the facts!
> > Is there anyone under 30 on this site?
> >
> > MG

So, are you going to sue me to dude?
I hope you have lots of cash since a lawsuit will cost your penny anny
site 6 figures plus and how does Saturday night live get away with all
that satire anyway?
You should lighten up man cause thats all it is but satire. Hardly a
threat to anyone. But John NoCom is dead. God rest his soul. So you fat
asses over on BROL should have a big party right?
I did not post the racing shit man. One of your members did. I just
responded to the stupidity of it. I will get the quotes and post them
here if that is what you want to do but if I were you I would leave it
lay. I have no beef with Bryan Ball.
And I like 'bents just fine just not some of the Nazi's that ride them.

Take care....

Mr. Gorilla

Date: 26 Feb 2005 13:38:23
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

> Ride the USCF events if you want speed.

Two words: DuPont Prize.

> The DF world rules after all for speed and fitness.

Two more words: DeciMach Prize.

> Is there anyone under 30 on this site?

Who cares?

--
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to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)

Date: 26 Feb 2005 07:58:26
From:
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

Don't like bents; get the fuck outta here and take that racing only
bullshit with you- another hateful subject. Free speech is such a
phony name for unwanted crap. Look at the title of this group, and
only a stupid retarded bastard would believe this group is at all
interested in the shit on another source.

Bryon Ball and I both started riding bents in our 20s, and others admit
that often. I don't know the guy, and never met him; but I can read.
Being a fat ass loser is that 10 speed mentality. Many are skinny and
keep their weight down religeously- I am, and I do.

If Bryon moderates out nonsensical bullshit not on a specific subject;
good for him. Nice to know at least someone on the east coast, or
Germany, or wherever, has enough good sense to keep whiny 2 year olds
out.

magillagorillakk@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thats right. Ride the USCF events if you want speed. Thats where that
> Gig is at.
> Bents? Well lets just say that the bent world has a ways to go to
catch
> up if they ever do.
> So, Bentland will get some top riders from USCF land but not the
other
> way around. So, The DF world rules after all for speed and fitness.
> Just the way it is but someone has to point out the facts!
> Is there anyone under 30 on this site?
>
> MG

Date: 26 Feb 2005 10:16:32
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

Date: 26 Feb 2005 08:28:50
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Real racers have USCF creds

magillagorillakk@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thats right. Ride the USCF events if you want speed. Thats where that
> Gig is at.
> Bents? Well lets just say that the bent world has a ways to go to catch
> up if they ever do.
> So, Bentland will get some top riders from USCF land but not the other
> way around. So, The DF world rules after all for speed and fitness.
> Just the way it is but someone has to point out the facts!
> Is there anyone under 30 on this site?

This has little to nothing to do with the relative merits of the two
types of bicycles, and almost everything to do with the UCI degree of
April 1, 1934 that mandated the diamond frame bicycle for top level
racing. Almost all of the "minor leagues" have followed the lead of UCI
and instituted similar equipment restrictions.

It should not be surprising that young aspiring racers almost
universally gravitate to the existing dominant racing organizations,
therefore it is only natural that almost all the best riders are on
conventional bicycles. If the UCI had decided in 1934 to choose a
competition of bicycles AND riders, the dominance of uprights might well
not exist today.

Without doing a proper survey, I think it is a pretty reasonable
estimate that recumbent riders make up less than 1% of all participants
in organized bicycle racing events, so it should not surprise anyone
that the OVERALL quality of recumbent racers would not match up well to
many entry level upright fields.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth