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Date: 06 Oct 2007 04:55:40
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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You may have noticed that I am now posting my seminal messages to quite a
few of the cycling newsgroups. If and when you want to respond to any of my
messages, be sure that they get to ARBR. The rest of the cycling newsgroups
are just too fucking stupid for me to ever look in on them. I am not known
far and wide as Ed Dolan the Great for nothing.
One other thing, if and when you post your odious messages to a newsgroup
other than ARBR, they will not come to my attention and so will not be
answered with the contempt they so richly deserve. It is up to you if you
merely want to mutter things to yourself or if you want to engage a mighty
intellect. Post to ARBR or get lost!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. You do not want to ever engage Saint Edward the Great on matters of
morality. He is a very Great Saint indeed and even Ed Dolan the Great fears
Him. Nay, it is best to let a sleeping Saint lie.
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Date: 25 Oct 2007 21:34:43
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Oct 19, 3:43 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1192755095.980190.111360@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> > It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Dolan
> > takes solace from this because he is less likely to be proven
> > fallible ... a frailty of the human condition that he could not
> > possibly admit to. Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about
> > opinion and is clamorously contemptuous of logic and facts.
>
> Jim McNamara would not know a fact if one jumped up and bit him in the ass.
> But no one else does either. The truth is that ALL facts (such as they are)
> are subject to interpretation. That is what I am here for - to interpret
> them to blockheads like Jim McNamara. I wil tell you what to think in spite
> of yourself.
>
> Dolan
>
> > emphatically insists upon being unencumbered by logic and unrestrained
> > by facts for two specific, though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not
> > Dolan's strong suit and fact, by definition, is not subject to debate
> > (read not arguable), which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ...
> > argumentation. Ed is uncomfortable when bound by the confines of
> > logic and fact.
>
> Poor Jim got stuck with Thomistic philosophy (as well as lots of wasted
> theology) when he went to a Catholic college in his long lost youth and he
> has never recovered from it. Forget everything you ever learned about logic.
> Just THINK! All you have to do is put your God given brain into gear.
>
> So, what's a Dolan to do? Well, argue about
>
> > opinions, but there's problem with that too. Something cannot be
> > branded "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is
> > merely an expression of opinion. Nonetheless this is precisely what
> > Dolan endeavors to do ... debate the non-debatable (read opinion).
>
> There is nothing under the sun that can't be debated (argued about).
> Everything is a matter of opinion. Just ask any Muslim terrorist - or any
> liberal apologist for them.
>
> > What is debatable are particulars such as values, policies, proposals
> > or propositions. What is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever
> > be able to discern the distinction between fact and opinion and
> > determine what is and what is not subject to debate.
>
> "Everything is a matter of opinion." - Ed Dolan
>
> Undoubtedly,
>
> > Dolan will reply with predictable, incoherent recycled babble to
> > refute as nonsense that which I have written, but the only nonsense
> > will be Dolan's response to that which is commonly accepted by persons
> > that are rational, a virtue that Ed Dolan has yet to master.
>
> There actually is no such thing as a rational person. Some are better than
> others at argumentation. Tom Sherman no doubt thinks he is a rational
> person, so how is it that he is wrong about most everything under the sun
> ... except recumbents!
Yep, Ed Doaln did not disappoint in providing recycle babble as
predicted. Why he finds it necessary to so very often drag other
people into his replies (Tom Sherman in this instance) is beyond me
unless the troll is just tossing out bait.
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 28 Oct 2007 20:44:05
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:34:43 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>On Oct 19, 3:43 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1192755095.980190.111360@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> [...]
>>
>> > It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Dolan
>> > takes solace from this because he is less likely to be proven
>> > fallible ... a frailty of the human condition that he could not
>> > possibly admit to. Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about
>> > opinion and is clamorously contemptuous of logic and facts.
>>
>> Jim McNamara would not know a fact if one jumped up and bit him in the ass.
>> But no one else does either. The truth is that ALL facts (such as they are)
>> are subject to interpretation. That is what I am here for - to interpret
>> them to blockheads like Jim McNamara. I wil tell you what to think in spite
>> of yourself.
>>
>> Dolan
>>
>> > emphatically insists upon being unencumbered by logic and unrestrained
>> > by facts for two specific, though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not
>> > Dolan's strong suit and fact, by definition, is not subject to debate
>> > (read not arguable), which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ...
>> > argumentation. Ed is uncomfortable when bound by the confines of
>> > logic and fact.
>>
>> Poor Jim got stuck with Thomistic philosophy (as well as lots of wasted
>> theology) when he went to a Catholic college in his long lost youth and he
>> has never recovered from it. Forget everything you ever learned about logic.
>> Just THINK! All you have to do is put your God given brain into gear.
>>
>> So, what's a Dolan to do? Well, argue about
>>
>> > opinions, but there's problem with that too. Something cannot be
>> > branded "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is
>> > merely an expression of opinion. Nonetheless this is precisely what
>> > Dolan endeavors to do ... debate the non-debatable (read opinion).
>>
>> There is nothing under the sun that can't be debated (argued about).
>> Everything is a matter of opinion. Just ask any Muslim terrorist - or any
>> liberal apologist for them.
>>
>> > What is debatable are particulars such as values, policies, proposals
>> > or propositions. What is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever
>> > be able to discern the distinction between fact and opinion and
>> > determine what is and what is not subject to debate.
>>
>> "Everything is a matter of opinion." - Ed Dolan
>>
>> Undoubtedly,
>>
>> > Dolan will reply with predictable, incoherent recycled babble to
>> > refute as nonsense that which I have written, but the only nonsense
>> > will be Dolan's response to that which is commonly accepted by persons
>> > that are rational, a virtue that Ed Dolan has yet to master.
>>
>> There actually is no such thing as a rational person. Some are better than
>> others at argumentation. Tom Sherman no doubt thinks he is a rational
>> person, so how is it that he is wrong about most everything under the sun
>> ... except recumbents!
>
>Yep, Ed Doaln did not disappoint in providing recycle babble as
>predicted. Why he finds it necessary to so very often drag other
>people into his replies (Tom Sherman in this instance) is beyond me
What is your excuse for jumping at the bait? Providing pearls of
wisdom is obviously NOT the reason.
>unless the troll is just tossing out bait.
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 17:51:35
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Oct 15, 4:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1192399026.117729.118040@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 11, 4:57 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1192052451.511875.150700@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 10, 2:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >> Here is Jim McNamara yet once again making a perfect fool of himself.
> >> >> Not
> >> >> only does he admit to being a stalker, but he is proud of it.
> >> >> Apparently,
> >> >> he
> >> >> has no sense of shame at all.
>
> >> > Whose really the fool here??? Apparently, Ed did not realize that in
> >> > placing the word stalker in quotation marks I was obviously qualifying
> >> > the word that he took literary license with. Furthermore, regardless
> >> > of his assertion to the contrary, I made no such admission to being a
> >> > stalker.
>
> >> Whether you admit it or not, a stalker is what you are.
>
> >> This is yet another example of Ed Dolan stating an opinion
>
> > At least you admit to formulating an opinion ... progress!
>
> No, the above was your statement, not mine. Go back and look at the previous
> message on this thread or see your following line below. That is what
> happens when you break into a paragraph like I did.
>
> However, I have stated over and over again that I am all about opinion and
> nothing else. Of course, my opinions are superior to your opinions. That is
> all that matters to me.
It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Dolan
takes solace from this because he is less likely to be proven
fallible ... a frailty of the human condition that he could not
possibly admit to. Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about
opinion and is clamorously contemptuous of logic and facts. Dolan
emphatically insists upon being unencumbered by logic and unrestrained
by facts for two specific, though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not
Dolan's strong suit and fact, by definition, is not subject to debate
(read not arguable), which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ...
argumentation. Ed is uncomfortable when bound by the confines of
logic and fact. So, what's a Dolan to do? Well, argue about
opinions, but there's problem with that too. Something cannot be
branded "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is
merely an expression of opinion. Nonetheless this is precisely what
Dolan endeavors to do ... debate the non-debatable (read opinion).
What is debatable are particulars such as values, policies, proposals
or propositions. What is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever
be able to discern the distinction between fact and opinion and
determine what is and what is not subject to debate. Undoubtedly,
Dolan will reply with predictable, incoherent recycled babble to
refute as nonsense that which I have written, but the only nonsense
will be Dolan's response to that which is commonly accepted by persons
that are rational, a virtue that Ed Dolan has yet to master.
Jim McNamara
> >> > as fact. If the dunderhead were to go back and read what I wrote, he
> >> > would note that I referred his "many adversaries". His conclusion
> >> > that I have no shame is merely a logical fallacy in which Ed drew a
> >> > conclusion that does not strictly follow from the premise (non
> >> > sequitor). Ed should wish that he were half as good at this game that
> >> > he plays as he imagines himself to be.
>
> >> Spare us your feeble attempts to explain reasoning (logical or otherwise)
> >> to
> >> us. We are all idiots here including you first and foremost.
>
> > I should have realized that logic was wasted on the likes of you, but
> > some I am certain got the message.
>
> The only message anyone is getting on these newsgroups is that you are a
> stalker.
>
>
>
> >> >> I will say this much - being a troll can't compared to being a
> >> >> stalker.
> >> >> There is no honor in stalking at all.
>
> >> > The errant implication is that there is honor in bing a troll which is
> >> > ludicrous ... preposterous ... absurd!!! Ed Dolan is in need of some
> >> > education here. He once stated, "I think there are good trolls and
> >> > there are bad trolls. It goes without saying of course that I am a
> >> > good troll."
>
> >> > NO ... there are just Trolls. There is nothing either explicit or
> >> > implicit in the definition of a troll that can possibly be
> >> > misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an oxymoron. The American
> >> > Psychiatric Association considers the internet troll to be a form of
> >> > mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is there anything good
> >> > about that?
>
> >> I am not only a good troll, but a great one.
>
> > There is nothing either explicit or implicit in the definition of a
> > troll that can possibly be misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an
> > oxymoron. The American Psychiatric Association considers the internet
> > troll to be a form of mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is
> > there anything good about that?
>
> The APA is made up of a bunch of numskulls who couldn't find their own
> assholes. Hells Bells, they even think homos are OK and perfectly normal.
> Just how dumb is that?
>
> > You should use a spell checker ... you meant GRATE troll, did you not?
>
> My GREATNESS overwhelms me at times, I must admit.
>
> >> As such I contribute to the group
>
> > Care to take a poll?
>
> Who would you poll? There is no one left on this group except for you and
> me - and a few pathetic newbie slobs who make pitiful inquiries about
> recumbent bicycles. You and Ed Gin have destroyed ARBR!
>
> >> whereas all you do is stalk individuals. Like I said before, you have no
> >> shame.
>
> > Like you are here for Tom Sherman, I am here for you. Someone should
> > be here to balance things out and to be just as big a pain in the ass
> > as you are to everyone else. Fear not though I may just grow weary of
> > all this before you croak. You'd probably would even miss me like you
> > do Tom.
>
> Tom Sherman is no longer worthy of me, but at least he has always behaved
> honorably on Usenet. He never stalked except in a spirit of good fun.
>
> Beware of wanting others dead before their time. All that does is summon up
> the Grim Reaper ... for you!
>
>
>
> >> > Trolls are often socially disenfranchised, devoid of interpersonal
> >> > interaction skills. They generally have no substantive connection to
> >> > the cyber-community they troll and view the internet as a convenient,
> >> > delocalized communication conduit for their bizarre anti-social
> >> > behavior. The internet is their cyber-playpen ... a mirror into which
> >> > they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. A troll delights in upsetting
> >> > people and creating discord. Trolls post inflammatory, rude,
> >> > offensive, repetitious messages deliberately crafted to annoy,
> >> > antagonize and infuriate or to disrupt the flow of discussion. Trolls
> >> > post attention-seeking, provocative messages hoping to bait and entice
> >> > other users into angry and/or fruitless responses. Trolls are
> >> > impervious to criticism. One cannot negotiate with a troll. One
> >> > cannot cause a troll to feel shame, compassion or remorse. Trolls do
> >> > not feel that they are bound or constrained by rules of courtesy or
> >> > social responsibility. When one tries to reason with a troll, the
> >> > troll wins. When one insults a troll, the troll wins.
>
> >> All of the above describes Ed Gin, the criminal vandal troll who
> >> destroyed
> >> ARBR and who was once a friend of Jim McNamara's. In any event, Usenet is
> >> a
> >> madhouse fit only for madmen. I delight in calling idiots idiots. Hells
> >> Bells, if I didn't do it, who would?
>
> > Diversion duly noted. Though you often insert the man into a thread,
> > this has nothing to do with Ed Gin. It is time long overdue for some
> > introspective self-evaluation. If you do not recognize those traits
> > above as your own, then you are in denial.
>
> Hells Bellls, you would not even be here if it were not for Ed Gin. But you
> were childish enough take your personal dispute (vendetta) with him to this
> newsgroup, thereby ruining it for everyone.
> [...]
>
> >> It does not matter to me whether I get any responses or not since they
> >> will
> >> be idiotic in any event. I post for the enjoyment of the few intelligent
> >> readers who may exist on these cycling newsgroups. Rest assured, you are
> >> not
> >> among them.
>
> > For once we agree. I count myself among the masses that do not enjoy
> > your posts. As concerns intelligence, even those of less than average
> > intelligence cannot fail to recognize that the target audience for
> > whom you post is the one and ONLY ... Head Dolan the GRATE! Get
> > real. Everyone knows that you post for you own personal enjoyment.
> > Why would you think otherwise or expect the readership to think
> > otherwise?
>
> I figure what I write for my own enjoyment will also appeal to others of my
> intelligence. This lets you out.
> [...]
>
> >> "An intelligent troll may well contribute something to the group." - Ed
> >> Dolan
>
> > Need I remind you, that preoccupation with with fantasies of
> > unlimited brilliance, is troll trademark? Trust me. Everyone
> > recognizes what a troll contributes ... insults, turmoil, disruption,
> > discord, grief etc. ... in other words, nothing of substance or
> > value. Put your alleged intelligence to good use and even you might
> > just figure that one out ... duh!!!
>
> There is no cure for a humorless stalker like Jim McNamara except for an Ed
> Gin type of character. Ed Gin was a criminal vandal troll and Jim McNamara
> is a stalker, but not yet a criminal one. Tom Sherman is way above these two
> juveniles.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 15:43:19
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1192755095.980190.111360@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Dolan
> takes solace from this because he is less likely to be proven
> fallible ... a frailty of the human condition that he could not
> possibly admit to. Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about
> opinion and is clamorously contemptuous of logic and facts.
Jim McNamara would not know a fact if one jumped up and bit him in the ass.
But no one else does either. The truth is that ALL facts (such as they are)
are subject to interpretation. That is what I am here for - to interpret
them to blockheads like Jim McNamara. I wil tell you what to think in spite
of yourself.
Dolan
> emphatically insists upon being unencumbered by logic and unrestrained
> by facts for two specific, though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not
> Dolan's strong suit and fact, by definition, is not subject to debate
> (read not arguable), which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ...
> argumentation. Ed is uncomfortable when bound by the confines of
> logic and fact.
Poor Jim got stuck with Thomistic philosophy (as well as lots of wasted
theology) when he went to a Catholic college in his long lost youth and he
has never recovered from it. Forget everything you ever learned about logic.
Just THINK! All you have to do is put your God given brain into gear.
So, what's a Dolan to do? Well, argue about
> opinions, but there's problem with that too. Something cannot be
> branded "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is
> merely an expression of opinion. Nonetheless this is precisely what
> Dolan endeavors to do ... debate the non-debatable (read opinion).
There is nothing under the sun that can't be debated (argued about).
Everything is a matter of opinion. Just ask any Muslim terrorist - or any
liberal apologist for them.
> What is debatable are particulars such as values, policies, proposals
> or propositions. What is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever
> be able to discern the distinction between fact and opinion and
> determine what is and what is not subject to debate.
"Everything is a matter of opinion." - Ed Dolan
Undoubtedly,
> Dolan will reply with predictable, incoherent recycled babble to
> refute as nonsense that which I have written, but the only nonsense
> will be Dolan's response to that which is commonly accepted by persons
> that are rational, a virtue that Ed Dolan has yet to master.
There actually is no such thing as a rational person. Some are better than
others at argumentation. Tom Sherman no doubt thinks he is a rational
person, so how is it that he is wrong about most everything under the sun
... except recumbents!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 14:57:06
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Oct 11, 4:57 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1192052451.511875.150700@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 10, 2:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
> >> Here is Jim McNamara yet once again making a perfect fool of himself. Not
> >> only does he admit to being a stalker, but he is proud of it. Apparently,
> >> he
> >> has no sense of shame at all.
>
> > Whose really the fool here??? Apparently, Ed did not realize that in
> > placing the word stalker in quotation marks I was obviously qualifying
> > the word that he took literary license with. Furthermore, regardless
> > of his assertion to the contrary, I made no such admission to being a
> > stalker.
>
> Whether you admit it or not, a stalker is what you are.
>
> This is yet another example of Ed Dolan stating an opinion
At least you admit to formulating an opinion ... progress!
> > as fact. If the dunderhead were to go back and read what I wrote, he
> > would note that I referred his "many adversaries". His conclusion
> > that I have no shame is merely a logical fallacy in which Ed drew a
> > conclusion that does not strictly follow from the premise (non
> > sequitor). Ed should wish that he were half as good at this game that
> > he plays as he imagines himself to be.
>
> Spare us your feeble attempts to explain reasoning (logical or otherwise) to
> us. We are all idiots here including you first and foremost.
I should have realized that logic was wasted on the likes of you, but
some I am certain got the message.
> >> I will say this much - being a troll can't compared to being a stalker.
> >> There is no honor in stalking at all.
>
> > The errant implication is that there is honor in bing a troll which is
> > ludicrous ... preposterous ... absurd!!! Ed Dolan is in need of some
> > education here. He once stated, "I think there are good trolls and
> > there are bad trolls. It goes without saying of course that I am a
> > good troll."
>
> > NO ... there are just Trolls. There is nothing either explicit or
> > implicit in the definition of a troll that can possibly be
> > misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an oxymoron. The American
> > Psychiatric Association considers the internet troll to be a form of
> > mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is there anything good
> > about that?
>
> I am not only a good troll, but a great one.
There is nothing either explicit or implicit in the definition of a
troll that can possibly be misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an
oxymoron. The American Psychiatric Association considers the internet
troll to be a form of mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is
there anything good about that?
You should use a spell checker ... you meant GRATE troll, did you not?
> As such I contribute to the group
Care to take a poll?
> whereas all you do is stalk individuals. Like I said before, you have no shame.
Like you are here for Tom Sherman, I am here for you. Someone should
be here to balance things out and to be just as big a pain in the ass
as you are to everyone else. Fear not though I may just grow weary of
all this before you croak. You'd probably would even miss me like you
do Tom.
> > Trolls are often socially disenfranchised, devoid of interpersonal
> > interaction skills. They generally have no substantive connection to
> > the cyber-community they troll and view the internet as a convenient,
> > delocalized communication conduit for their bizarre anti-social
> > behavior. The internet is their cyber-playpen ... a mirror into which
> > they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. A troll delights in upsetting
> > people and creating discord. Trolls post inflammatory, rude,
> > offensive, repetitious messages deliberately crafted to annoy,
> > antagonize and infuriate or to disrupt the flow of discussion. Trolls
> > post attention-seeking, provocative messages hoping to bait and entice
> > other users into angry and/or fruitless responses. Trolls are
> > impervious to criticism. One cannot negotiate with a troll. One
> > cannot cause a troll to feel shame, compassion or remorse. Trolls do
> > not feel that they are bound or constrained by rules of courtesy or
> > social responsibility. When one tries to reason with a troll, the
> > troll wins. When one insults a troll, the troll wins.
>
> All of the above describes Ed Gin, the criminal vandal troll who destroyed
> ARBR and who was once a friend of Jim McNamara's. In any event, Usenet is a
> madhouse fit only for madmen. I delight in calling idiots idiots. Hells
> Bells, if I didn't do it, who would?
Diversion duly noted. Though you often insert the man into a thread,
this has nothing to do with Ed Gin. It is time long overdue for some
introspective self-evaluation. If you do not recognize those traits
above as your own, then you are in denial.
> > Here are just but a few trademarks of the internet troll that are
> > exemplified by Ed Dolan...
>
> > - a grandiose sense of self-importance (his signature speaks volumes)
> > - preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited brilliance (a virtual
> > trademark)
> > - off topic messages (most everything)
> > - cross posting (a tool often employed)
> > - racist, sexist, classist comments (too many examples to even cite)
> > - messages expressing unsubstantiated opinions as though they were
> > facts not requiring proof or evidence (extremely common practice)
> > - messages containing a self-referential appeal to status (a virtual
> > pastime)
> > - politically contentious messages (attacks on liberals come to mind)
> > - attacking another's point of view (favorite pastime) and generally
> > affixing a label to the person attacked (frequently employed tactic)
> > - attempt to make one's personality the center of every discussion
> > (ARBR, Usenet, the universe ... his "GREATNESS" knows no limits)
> > - derive perverse pleasure from causing frustration, anger and pain
> > (only one of several assumed, and stated, motives)
> > - self-proclaimed trolls suggest that trolling is their way of
> > improving forum discussion (rationalizing "housekeeping" rhetoric
> > comes to mind)
> > - enjoys the knowledge that they waste others' time at comparatively
> > little effort on their behalf (regurgitated cut and paste boilerplate
> > is an indication of this)
> > - self-promotion (no comment should even be necessary)
> > - feigning to be a misunderstood humorist (commonplace)
> > - deliberately using ambiguous language to obfuscate meaning
> > (commonplace)
>
> It takes someone intelligent to pull off the above. A common blockhead and
> dullard like you could never do it. You fall into the Ed Gin class, not the
> Ed Dolan class. Try to get a clue why don't you?
So then is that admission that you are intelligent enough to do so?
The fact of the matter is that intelligence is not required ... just
what The American Psychiatric Association considers the internet to be
a form of mental illness ... a personality disorder on which you
possess as ARBR's resident, sociopathic, quintessential TROLL!
> > If the above cited elements sound like a portrait of Ed Dolan, it very
> > well should. His own words betray his malicious intentions ... "I am
> > merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create some
> > mayhem". With each and every post, Ed Dolan replenishes his identity
> > as ARBR's quintessential TROLL.
>
> > Trolls crave attention, be it positive or negative. The one thing
> > that a troll can't accept or tolerate is to be ignored. There is
> > wisdom in the often cited advice ... Please don't feed the troll.
> > Perhaps it would be best then to ignore the obnoxious, geriatric
> > juvenile ... HEAD SWOLLEN Ed Dolan. In the greater scheme of things,
> > he matters not. He is insignificant and irrelevant.
>
> It does not matter to me whether I get any responses or not since they will
> be idiotic in any event. I post for the enjoyment of the few intelligent
> readers who may exist on these cycling newsgroups. Rest assured, you are not
> among them.
For once we agree. I count myself among the masses that do not enjoy
your posts. As concerns intelligence, even those of less than average
intelligence cannot fail to recognize that the target audience for
whom you post is the one and ONLY ... Head Dolan the GRATE! Get
real. Everyone knows that you post for you own personal enjoyment.
Why would you think otherwise or expect the readership to think
otherwise?
> >> An intelligent troll may well
> >> contribute something to the group. I put Jim McNamara right next to Ed
> >> Gin,
> >> the criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR.
> > Ed Dolan is admittedly a TROLL, but intelligent is a matter open for
> > debate. If he were intelligent, he should be able to comprehend what
> > I wrote above regarding trolls and recognize himself for what and who
> > he is ... a TROLL!!! Ed Dolan is a therapists dream, or should I say
> > nightmare???
>
> "An intelligent troll may well contribute something to the group." - Ed Dolan
Need I remind you, that preoccupation with with fantasies of
unlimited brilliance, is troll trademark? Trust me. Everyone
recognizes what a troll contributes ... insults, turmoil, disruption,
discord, grief etc. ... in other words, nothing of substance or
value. Put your alleged intelligence to good use and even you might
just figure that one out ... duh!!!
Jim McNamara
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
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Date: 16 Oct 2007 08:47:55
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:57:06 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>On Oct 11, 4:57 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1192052451.511875.150700@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Oct 10, 2:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> Here is Jim McNamara yet once again making a perfect fool of himself. Not
>> >> only does he admit to being a stalker, but he is proud of it. Apparently,
>> >> he
>> >> has no sense of shame at all.
>>
>> > Whose really the fool here??? Apparently, Ed did not realize that in
>> > placing the word stalker in quotation marks I was obviously qualifying
>> > the word that he took literary license with. Furthermore, regardless
>> > of his assertion to the contrary, I made no such admission to being a
>> > stalker.
>>
>> Whether you admit it or not, a stalker is what you are.
>>
>> This is yet another example of Ed Dolan stating an opinion
>
>At least you admit to formulating an opinion ... progress!
>
>> > as fact. If the dunderhead were to go back and read what I wrote, he
>> > would note that I referred his "many adversaries". His conclusion
>> > that I have no shame is merely a logical fallacy in which Ed drew a
>> > conclusion that does not strictly follow from the premise (non
>> > sequitor). Ed should wish that he were half as good at this game that
>> > he plays as he imagines himself to be.
>>
>> Spare us your feeble attempts to explain reasoning (logical or otherwise) to
>> us. We are all idiots here including you first and foremost.
>
>I should have realized that logic was wasted on the likes of you, but
>some I am certain got the message.
>
>> >> I will say this much - being a troll can't compared to being a stalker.
>> >> There is no honor in stalking at all.
>>
>> > The errant implication is that there is honor in bing a troll which is
>> > ludicrous ... preposterous ... absurd!!! Ed Dolan is in need of some
>> > education here. He once stated, "I think there are good trolls and
>> > there are bad trolls. It goes without saying of course that I am a
>> > good troll."
>>
>> > NO ... there are just Trolls. There is nothing either explicit or
>> > implicit in the definition of a troll that can possibly be
>> > misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an oxymoron. The American
>> > Psychiatric Association considers the internet troll to be a form of
>> > mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is there anything good
>> > about that?
>>
>> I am not only a good troll, but a great one.
>
>There is nothing either explicit or implicit in the definition of a
>troll that can possibly be misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an
>oxymoron. The American Psychiatric Association considers the internet
>troll to be a form of mental illness ... a personality disorder.
Citation? If this were true, you would have given a real bibliographic
citation.
Is
>there anything good about that?
>
>You should use a spell checker ... you meant GRATE troll, did you not?
>
>> As such I contribute to the group
>
>Care to take a poll?
>
>> whereas all you do is stalk individuals. Like I said before, you have no shame.
>
>Like you are here for Tom Sherman, I am here for you. Someone should
>be here to balance things out and to be just as big a pain in the ass
>as you are to everyone else. Fear not though I may just grow weary of
>all this before you croak. You'd probably would even miss me like you
>do Tom.
>
>> > Trolls are often socially disenfranchised, devoid of interpersonal
>> > interaction skills. They generally have no substantive connection to
>> > the cyber-community they troll and view the internet as a convenient,
>> > delocalized communication conduit for their bizarre anti-social
>> > behavior. The internet is their cyber-playpen ... a mirror into which
>> > they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. A troll delights in upsetting
>> > people and creating discord. Trolls post inflammatory, rude,
>> > offensive, repetitious messages deliberately crafted to annoy,
>> > antagonize and infuriate or to disrupt the flow of discussion. Trolls
>> > post attention-seeking, provocative messages hoping to bait and entice
>> > other users into angry and/or fruitless responses. Trolls are
>> > impervious to criticism. One cannot negotiate with a troll. One
>> > cannot cause a troll to feel shame, compassion or remorse. Trolls do
>> > not feel that they are bound or constrained by rules of courtesy or
>> > social responsibility. When one tries to reason with a troll, the
>> > troll wins. When one insults a troll, the troll wins.
>>
>> All of the above describes Ed Gin, the criminal vandal troll who destroyed
>> ARBR and who was once a friend of Jim McNamara's. In any event, Usenet is a
>> madhouse fit only for madmen. I delight in calling idiots idiots. Hells
>> Bells, if I didn't do it, who would?
>
>Diversion duly noted. Though you often insert the man into a thread,
>this has nothing to do with Ed Gin. It is time long overdue for some
>introspective self-evaluation. If you do not recognize those traits
>above as your own, then you are in denial.
>
>> > Here are just but a few trademarks of the internet troll that are
>> > exemplified by Ed Dolan...
>>
>> > - a grandiose sense of self-importance (his signature speaks volumes)
>> > - preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited brilliance (a virtual
>> > trademark)
>> > - off topic messages (most everything)
>> > - cross posting (a tool often employed)
>> > - racist, sexist, classist comments (too many examples to even cite)
>> > - messages expressing unsubstantiated opinions as though they were
>> > facts not requiring proof or evidence (extremely common practice)
>> > - messages containing a self-referential appeal to status (a virtual
>> > pastime)
>> > - politically contentious messages (attacks on liberals come to mind)
>> > - attacking another's point of view (favorite pastime) and generally
>> > affixing a label to the person attacked (frequently employed tactic)
>> > - attempt to make one's personality the center of every discussion
>> > (ARBR, Usenet, the universe ... his "GREATNESS" knows no limits)
>> > - derive perverse pleasure from causing frustration, anger and pain
>> > (only one of several assumed, and stated, motives)
>> > - self-proclaimed trolls suggest that trolling is their way of
>> > improving forum discussion (rationalizing "housekeeping" rhetoric
>> > comes to mind)
>> > - enjoys the knowledge that they waste others' time at comparatively
>> > little effort on their behalf (regurgitated cut and paste boilerplate
>> > is an indication of this)
>> > - self-promotion (no comment should even be necessary)
>> > - feigning to be a misunderstood humorist (commonplace)
>> > - deliberately using ambiguous language to obfuscate meaning
>> > (commonplace)
>>
>> It takes someone intelligent to pull off the above. A common blockhead and
>> dullard like you could never do it. You fall into the Ed Gin class, not the
>> Ed Dolan class. Try to get a clue why don't you?
>
>So then is that admission that you are intelligent enough to do so?
>The fact of the matter is that intelligence is not required ... just
>what The American Psychiatric Association considers the internet to be
>a form of mental illness ... a personality disorder on which you
>possess as ARBR's resident, sociopathic, quintessential TROLL!
>
>> > If the above cited elements sound like a portrait of Ed Dolan, it very
>> > well should. His own words betray his malicious intentions ... "I am
>> > merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create some
>> > mayhem". With each and every post, Ed Dolan replenishes his identity
>> > as ARBR's quintessential TROLL.
>>
>> > Trolls crave attention, be it positive or negative. The one thing
>> > that a troll can't accept or tolerate is to be ignored. There is
>> > wisdom in the often cited advice ... Please don't feed the troll.
>> > Perhaps it would be best then to ignore the obnoxious, geriatric
>> > juvenile ... HEAD SWOLLEN Ed Dolan. In the greater scheme of things,
>> > he matters not. He is insignificant and irrelevant.
>>
>> It does not matter to me whether I get any responses or not since they will
>> be idiotic in any event. I post for the enjoyment of the few intelligent
>> readers who may exist on these cycling newsgroups. Rest assured, you are not
>> among them.
>
>For once we agree. I count myself among the masses that do not enjoy
>your posts. As concerns intelligence, even those of less than average
>intelligence cannot fail to recognize that the target audience for
>whom you post is the one and ONLY ... Head Dolan the GRATE! Get
>real. Everyone knows that you post for you own personal enjoyment.
>Why would you think otherwise or expect the readership to think
>otherwise?
>
>> >> An intelligent troll may well
>> >> contribute something to the group. I put Jim McNamara right next to Ed
>> >> Gin,
>> >> the criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR.
>> > Ed Dolan is admittedly a TROLL, but intelligent is a matter open for
>> > debate. If he were intelligent, he should be able to comprehend what
>> > I wrote above regarding trolls and recognize himself for what and who
>> > he is ... a TROLL!!! Ed Dolan is a therapists dream, or should I say
>> > nightmare???
>>
>> "An intelligent troll may well contribute something to the group." - Ed Dolan
>
>Need I remind you, that preoccupation with with fantasies of
>unlimited brilliance, is troll trademark? Trust me. Everyone
>recognizes what a troll contributes ... insults, turmoil, disruption,
>discord, grief etc. ... in other words, nothing of substance or
>value. Put your alleged intelligence to good use and even you might
>just figure that one out ... duh!!!
>
>Jim McNamara
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 16:19:14
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1192399026.117729.118040@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 11, 4:57 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1192052451.511875.150700@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Oct 10, 2:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> Here is Jim McNamara yet once again making a perfect fool of himself.
>> >> Not
>> >> only does he admit to being a stalker, but he is proud of it.
>> >> Apparently,
>> >> he
>> >> has no sense of shame at all.
>>
>> > Whose really the fool here??? Apparently, Ed did not realize that in
>> > placing the word stalker in quotation marks I was obviously qualifying
>> > the word that he took literary license with. Furthermore, regardless
>> > of his assertion to the contrary, I made no such admission to being a
>> > stalker.
>>
>> Whether you admit it or not, a stalker is what you are.
>>
>> This is yet another example of Ed Dolan stating an opinion
>
> At least you admit to formulating an opinion ... progress!
No, the above was your statement, not mine. Go back and look at the previous
message on this thread or see your following line below. That is what
happens when you break into a paragraph like I did.
However, I have stated over and over again that I am all about opinion and
nothing else. Of course, my opinions are superior to your opinions. That is
all that matters to me.
>> > as fact. If the dunderhead were to go back and read what I wrote, he
>> > would note that I referred his "many adversaries". His conclusion
>> > that I have no shame is merely a logical fallacy in which Ed drew a
>> > conclusion that does not strictly follow from the premise (non
>> > sequitor). Ed should wish that he were half as good at this game that
>> > he plays as he imagines himself to be.
>>
>> Spare us your feeble attempts to explain reasoning (logical or otherwise)
>> to
>> us. We are all idiots here including you first and foremost.
>
> I should have realized that logic was wasted on the likes of you, but
> some I am certain got the message.
The only message anyone is getting on these newsgroups is that you are a
stalker.
>> >> I will say this much - being a troll can't compared to being a
>> >> stalker.
>> >> There is no honor in stalking at all.
>>
>> > The errant implication is that there is honor in bing a troll which is
>> > ludicrous ... preposterous ... absurd!!! Ed Dolan is in need of some
>> > education here. He once stated, "I think there are good trolls and
>> > there are bad trolls. It goes without saying of course that I am a
>> > good troll."
>>
>> > NO ... there are just Trolls. There is nothing either explicit or
>> > implicit in the definition of a troll that can possibly be
>> > misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an oxymoron. The American
>> > Psychiatric Association considers the internet troll to be a form of
>> > mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is there anything good
>> > about that?
>>
>> I am not only a good troll, but a great one.
>
> There is nothing either explicit or implicit in the definition of a
> troll that can possibly be misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an
> oxymoron. The American Psychiatric Association considers the internet
> troll to be a form of mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is
> there anything good about that?
The APA is made up of a bunch of numskulls who couldn't find their own
assholes. Hells Bells, they even think homos are OK and perfectly normal.
Just how dumb is that?
> You should use a spell checker ... you meant GRATE troll, did you not?
My GREATNESS overwhelms me at times, I must admit.
>> As such I contribute to the group
>
> Care to take a poll?
Who would you poll? There is no one left on this group except for you and
me - and a few pathetic newbie slobs who make pitiful inquiries about
recumbent bicycles. You and Ed Gin have destroyed ARBR!
>> whereas all you do is stalk individuals. Like I said before, you have no
>> shame.
>
> Like you are here for Tom Sherman, I am here for you. Someone should
> be here to balance things out and to be just as big a pain in the ass
> as you are to everyone else. Fear not though I may just grow weary of
> all this before you croak. You'd probably would even miss me like you
> do Tom.
Tom Sherman is no longer worthy of me, but at least he has always behaved
honorably on Usenet. He never stalked except in a spirit of good fun.
Beware of wanting others dead before their time. All that does is summon up
the Grim Reaper ... for you!
>> > Trolls are often socially disenfranchised, devoid of interpersonal
>> > interaction skills. They generally have no substantive connection to
>> > the cyber-community they troll and view the internet as a convenient,
>> > delocalized communication conduit for their bizarre anti-social
>> > behavior. The internet is their cyber-playpen ... a mirror into which
>> > they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. A troll delights in upsetting
>> > people and creating discord. Trolls post inflammatory, rude,
>> > offensive, repetitious messages deliberately crafted to annoy,
>> > antagonize and infuriate or to disrupt the flow of discussion. Trolls
>> > post attention-seeking, provocative messages hoping to bait and entice
>> > other users into angry and/or fruitless responses. Trolls are
>> > impervious to criticism. One cannot negotiate with a troll. One
>> > cannot cause a troll to feel shame, compassion or remorse. Trolls do
>> > not feel that they are bound or constrained by rules of courtesy or
>> > social responsibility. When one tries to reason with a troll, the
>> > troll wins. When one insults a troll, the troll wins.
>>
>> All of the above describes Ed Gin, the criminal vandal troll who
>> destroyed
>> ARBR and who was once a friend of Jim McNamara's. In any event, Usenet is
>> a
>> madhouse fit only for madmen. I delight in calling idiots idiots. Hells
>> Bells, if I didn't do it, who would?
>
> Diversion duly noted. Though you often insert the man into a thread,
> this has nothing to do with Ed Gin. It is time long overdue for some
> introspective self-evaluation. If you do not recognize those traits
> above as your own, then you are in denial.
Hells Bellls, you would not even be here if it were not for Ed Gin. But you
were childish enough take your personal dispute (vendetta) with him to this
newsgroup, thereby ruining it for everyone.
[...]
>> It does not matter to me whether I get any responses or not since they
>> will
>> be idiotic in any event. I post for the enjoyment of the few intelligent
>> readers who may exist on these cycling newsgroups. Rest assured, you are
>> not
>> among them.
>
> For once we agree. I count myself among the masses that do not enjoy
> your posts. As concerns intelligence, even those of less than average
> intelligence cannot fail to recognize that the target audience for
> whom you post is the one and ONLY ... Head Dolan the GRATE! Get
> real. Everyone knows that you post for you own personal enjoyment.
> Why would you think otherwise or expect the readership to think
> otherwise?
I figure what I write for my own enjoyment will also appeal to others of my
intelligence. This lets you out.
[...]
>> "An intelligent troll may well contribute something to the group." - Ed
>> Dolan
>
> Need I remind you, that preoccupation with with fantasies of
> unlimited brilliance, is troll trademark? Trust me. Everyone
> recognizes what a troll contributes ... insults, turmoil, disruption,
> discord, grief etc. ... in other words, nothing of substance or
> value. Put your alleged intelligence to good use and even you might
> just figure that one out ... duh!!!
There is no cure for a humorless stalker like Jim McNamara except for an Ed
Gin type of character. Ed Gin was a criminal vandal troll and Jim McNamara
is a stalker, but not yet a criminal one. Tom Sherman is way above these two
juveniles.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| |
Date: 10 Oct 2007 14:40:51
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Oct 10, 2:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191950572.643171.179090@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 8, 6:43 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1191793028.325173.202380@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
ALL PROTESTERS OF TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! OK, there may be an
exception. Ed Dolan is not a complete idiot because he has a few
screws missing.
> >> > Ed (yep I'm addressing you personally and top posting too),
>
> >> > I see you've run out of material again and have resorted to
> >> > recycling. You may have noticed that fewer and fewer people are even
> >> > taking notice of your tedious, repetitious, regurgitated, copy and
> >> > paste boilerplate, but I'm be here for you, that is until I just lose
> >> > interest myself like everyone else. Then you'll have no one and
> >> > you'll be back to contemplating your navel and drowning your
> >> > "perpetual sorrows" in that cheap wine you slug down.
>
> >> It would appear that I have finally gotten rid of all the liberal
> >> scofflaws
> >> and other human detritus that was cluttering up this newsgroup, otherwise
> >> known as ARBR. Good riddance to the lot of them - or would you rather
> >> have
> >> good old Slugger back here among us?
>
> [...]
>
> >> If Jim McNamara spent more time contemplating his own navel instead of
> >> stalking on Usenet, we would all be a lot better off.
>
> > We??? The delusional one now thinks he speaks for the entire
> > readership??? Quit your whining, already. You have only yourself to
> > blame for the "stalking" that you have fallen victim of from your many
> > adversaries. You intentionally go trolling for fights. When you
> > encounter a tenacious, formidable adversary, and find yourself
> > hopelessly embroiled in an embarrassing no-win cyber-skirmish, in
> > desperation, you move to disencumber yourself by seeking to discredit
> > and dismiss your adversary by labeling him or her as a stalker. This
> > thinly disguised ploy of yours has failed countless times. If you
> > really want to escape your self-inflicted dilemma, then turn tail and
> > slither on out of here.
>
> Here is Jim McNamara yet once again making a perfect fool of himself. Not
> only does he admit to being a stalker, but he is proud of it. Apparently, he
> has no sense of shame at all.
Whose really the fool here??? Apparently, Ed did not realize that in
placing the word stalker in quotation marks I was obviously qualifying
the word that he took literary license with. Furthermore, regardless
of his assertion to the contrary, I made no such admission to being a
stalker. This is yet another example of Ed Dolan stating an opinion
as fact. If the dunderhead were to go back and read what I wrote he
would note that I referred his "many adversaries". His conclusion
that I have no shame is merely a logical fallacy in which Ed drew a
conclusion that does not strictly follow from the premise (non
sequitor). Ed should wish that he were half as good at this game that
he plays as he imagines himself to be.
> I will say this much - being a troll can't compared to being a stalker. There is no honor in stalking at all.
The errant implication is that there is honor in bing a troll which is
ludicrous ... preposterous ... absurd!!! Ed Dolan is in need of some
education here. He once stated, "I think there are good trolls and
there are bad trolls. It goes without saying of course that I am a
good troll."
NO ... there are just Trolls. There is nothing either explicit or
implicit in the definition of a troll that can possibly be
misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an oxymoron. The American
Psychiatric Association considers the internet troll to be a form of
mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is there anything good
about that?
Trolls are often socially disenfranchised, devoid of interpersonal
interaction skills. They generally have no substantive connection to
the cyber-community they troll and view the internet as a convenient,
delocalized communication conduit for their bizarre anti-social
behavior. The internet is their cyber-playpen ... a mirror into which
they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. A troll delights in upsetting
people and creating discord. Trolls post inflammatory, rude,
offensive, repetitious messages deliberately crafted to annoy,
antagonize and infuriate or to disrupt the flow of discussion. Trolls
post attention-seeking, provocative messages hoping to bait and entice
other users into angry and/or fruitless responses. Trolls are
impervious to criticism. One cannot negotiate with a troll. One
cannot cause a troll to feel shame, compassion or remorse. Trolls do
not feel that they are bound or constrained by rules of courtesy or
social responsibility. When one tries to reason with a troll, the
troll wins. When one insults a troll, the troll wins.
Here are just but a few trademarks of the internet troll that are
exemplified by Ed Dolan...
- a grandiose sense of self-importance (his signature speaks volumes)
- preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited brilliance (a virtual
trademark)
- off topic messages (most everything)
- cross posting (a tool often employed)
- racist, sexist, classist comments (too many examples to even cite)
- messages expressing unsubstantiated opinions as though they were
facts not requiring proof or evidence (extremely common practice)
- messages containing a self-referential appeal to status (a virtual
pastime)
- politically contentious messages (attacks on liberals come to mind)
- attacking another's point of view (favorite pastime) and generally
affixing a label to the person attacked (frequently employed tactic)
- attempt to make one's personality the center of every discussion
(ARBR, Usenet, the universe ... his "GREATNESS" knows no limits)
- derive perverse pleasure from causing frustration, anger and pain
(only one of several assumed, and stated, motives)
- self-proclaimed trolls suggest that trolling is their way of
improving forum discussion (rationalizing "housekeeping" rhetoric
comes to mind)
- enjoys the knowledge that they waste others' time at comparatively
little effort on their behalf (regurgitated cut and paste boilerplate
is an indication of this)
- self-promotion (no comment should even be necessary)
- feigning to be a misunderstood humorist (commonplace)
- deliberately using ambiguous language to obfuscate meaning
(commonplace)
If the above cited elements sound like a portrait of Ed Dolan, it very
well should. His own words betray his malicious intentions ... "I am
merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create some
mayhem". With each and every post, Ed Dolan replenishes his identity
as ARBR's quintessential TROLL.
Trolls crave attention, be it positive or negative. The one thing
that a troll can't accept or tolerate is to be ignored. There is
wisdom in the often cited advice ... Please don't feed the troll.
Perhaps it would be best then to ignore the obnoxious, geriatric
juvenile ... HEAD SWOLLEN Ed Dolan. In the greater scheme of things,
he matters not. He is insignificant and irrelevant.
> An intelligent troll may well
> contribute something to the group. I put Jim McNamara right next to Ed Gin,
> the criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR.
Ed Dolan is admittedly a TROLL, but intelligent is a matter open for
debate. If he were intelligent, he should be able to comprehend what
I wrote above regarding trolls and recognize himself for what and who
he is ... a TROLL!!! Ed Dolan is a therapists dream, or should I say
nightmare???
Jim McNamara.
> [...]
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 17:00:05
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Nov 2, 2:11 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193921859.859908.98340@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Nov 1, 4:31 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
> >> The Great Mike Vandeman is busy confronting all the idiotic mountain
> >> bikers
> >> and does not have time for a fool like you. Unfortunately for you, I do!
>
> > Why don't you Mike of the mutual admiration society just elope. Let's
> > see, I respond to Vandeman and then Dolan replies to my response and
> > yet he labels me a stalker??? The conundrum continues!
>
> Nothing but a stalker - a very sad case!
Since you are responding to me and I was responding to Vandeman, just
who is stalking whom??? The conundrum continues!
Jim McNamara
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 03:45:18
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:00:05 -0800, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>On Nov 2, 2:11 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193921859.859908.98340@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Nov 1, 4:31 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> The Great Mike Vandeman is busy confronting all the idiotic mountain
>> >> bikers
>> >> and does not have time for a fool like you. Unfortunately for you, I do!
>>
>> > Why don't you Mike of the mutual admiration society just elope. Let's
>> > see, I respond to Vandeman and then Dolan replies to my response and
>> > yet he labels me a stalker??? The conundrum continues!
>>
>> Nothing but a stalker - a very sad case!
>
>Since you are responding to me and I was responding to Vandeman, just
>who is stalking whom??? The conundrum continues!
This record is broken.
>Jim McNamara
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 01 Nov 2007 05:57:39
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Nov 1, 4:31 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193842524.131270.12340@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 3:37 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
> >> All Jim McNamra [McNamara] knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have
> >> a clue about
> >> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it
> >> harms
> >> nature in general. He is too busy stalking to learn anything about
> >> anyone.
>
> >> Poor-Jim (all one name) is forever spiteful and small minded. He is an
> >> example of what can happen to you when you cannot accept criticism. He
> >> has
> >> the delicate ego of a teenager even though he is well into his 60's. A
> >> very
> >> sad case!
> > 61 is not WELL INTO one's 60's. As for the rest ... the usual
> > recycled and regurgitated tripe. By the way who is the McNamra that
> > you castigate??? I believe my response was to Mike, so whose
> > stalking whom here??? The conundrum continues!!!
>
> The Great Mike Vandeman is busy confronting all the idiotic mountain bikers
> and does not have time for a fool like you. Unfortunately for you, I do!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Why don't you Mike of the mutual admiration society just elope. Let's
see, I respond to Vandeman and then Dolan replies to my response and
yet he labels me a stalker??? The conundrum continues!
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Date: 02 Nov 2007 03:11:46
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1193921859.859908.98340@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 1, 4:31 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
>> The Great Mike Vandeman is busy confronting all the idiotic mountain
>> bikers
>> and does not have time for a fool like you. Unfortunately for you, I do!
>
> Why don't you Mike of the mutual admiration society just elope. Let's
> see, I respond to Vandeman and then Dolan replies to my response and
> yet he labels me a stalker??? The conundrum continues!
Nothing but a stalker - a very sad case!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 31 Oct 2007 07:55:24
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Oct 31, 3:37 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> [...]
> >>A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
> >>his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
> >>quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
> >>in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
> >>humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>
> > Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>
> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
> nature in general. He is too busy stalking to learn anything about anyone.
>
> Poor-Jim (all one name) is forever spiteful and small minded. He is an
> example of what can happen to you when you cannot accept criticism. He has
> the delicate ego of a teenager even though he is well into his 60's. A very
> sad case!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
61 is not WELL INTO one's 60's. As for the rest ... the usual
recycled and regurgitated tripe. By the way who is the McNamra that
you castigate??? I believe my response was to Mike, so whose
stalking whom here??? The conundrum continues!!!
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Date: 01 Nov 2007 04:31:17
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1193842524.131270.12340@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 3:37 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
>> All Jim McNamra [McNamara] knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have
>> a clue about
>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it
>> harms
>> nature in general. He is too busy stalking to learn anything about
>> anyone.
>>
>> Poor-Jim (all one name) is forever spiteful and small minded. He is an
>> example of what can happen to you when you cannot accept criticism. He
>> has
>> the delicate ego of a teenager even though he is well into his 60's. A
>> very
>> sad case!
> 61 is not WELL INTO one's 60's. As for the rest ... the usual
> recycled and regurgitated tripe. By the way who is the McNamra that
> you castigate??? I believe my response was to Mike, so whose
> stalking whom here??? The conundrum continues!!!
The Great Mike Vandeman is busy confronting all the idiotic mountain bikers
and does not have time for a fool like you. Unfortunately for you, I do!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 16:57:08
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1192052451.511875.150700@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 10, 2:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
>> Here is Jim McNamara yet once again making a perfect fool of himself. Not
>> only does he admit to being a stalker, but he is proud of it. Apparently,
>> he
>> has no sense of shame at all.
>
> Whose really the fool here??? Apparently, Ed did not realize that in
> placing the word stalker in quotation marks I was obviously qualifying
> the word that he took literary license with. Furthermore, regardless
> of his assertion to the contrary, I made no such admission to being a
> stalker.
Whether you admit it or not, a stalker is what you are.
This is yet another example of Ed Dolan stating an opinion
> as fact. If the dunderhead were to go back and read what I wrote he
> would note that I referred his "many adversaries". His conclusion
> that I have no shame is merely a logical fallacy in which Ed drew a
> conclusion that does not strictly follow from the premise (non
> sequitor). Ed should wish that he were half as good at this game that
> he plays as he imagines himself to be.
Spare us your feeble attempts to explain reasoning (logical or otherwise) to
us. We are all idiots here including you first and foremost.
>> I will say this much - being a troll can't compared to being a stalker.
>> There is no honor in stalking at all.
>
> The errant implication is that there is honor in bing a troll which is
> ludicrous ... preposterous ... absurd!!! Ed Dolan is in need of some
> education here. He once stated, "I think there are good trolls and
> there are bad trolls. It goes without saying of course that I am a
> good troll."
>
> NO ... there are just Trolls. There is nothing either explicit or
> implicit in the definition of a troll that can possibly be
> misconstrued as good. GOOD TROLL is an oxymoron. The American
> Psychiatric Association considers the internet troll to be a form of
> mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is there anything good
> about that?
I am not only a good troll, but a great one. As such I contribute to the
group whereas all you do is stalk individuals. Like I said before, you have
no shame.
> Trolls are often socially disenfranchised, devoid of interpersonal
> interaction skills. They generally have no substantive connection to
> the cyber-community they troll and view the internet as a convenient,
> delocalized communication conduit for their bizarre anti-social
> behavior. The internet is their cyber-playpen ... a mirror into which
> they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. A troll delights in upsetting
> people and creating discord. Trolls post inflammatory, rude,
> offensive, repetitious messages deliberately crafted to annoy,
> antagonize and infuriate or to disrupt the flow of discussion. Trolls
> post attention-seeking, provocative messages hoping to bait and entice
> other users into angry and/or fruitless responses. Trolls are
> impervious to criticism. One cannot negotiate with a troll. One
> cannot cause a troll to feel shame, compassion or remorse. Trolls do
> not feel that they are bound or constrained by rules of courtesy or
> social responsibility. When one tries to reason with a troll, the
> troll wins. When one insults a troll, the troll wins.
All of the above describes Ed Gin, the criminal vandal troll who destroyed
ARBR and who was once a friend of Jim McNamara's. In any event, Usenet is a
madhouse fit only for madmen. I delight in calling idiots idiots. Hells
Bells, if I didn't do it, who would?
> Here are just but a few trademarks of the internet troll that are
> exemplified by Ed Dolan...
>
> - a grandiose sense of self-importance (his signature speaks volumes)
> - preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited brilliance (a virtual
> trademark)
> - off topic messages (most everything)
> - cross posting (a tool often employed)
> - racist, sexist, classist comments (too many examples to even cite)
> - messages expressing unsubstantiated opinions as though they were
> facts not requiring proof or evidence (extremely common practice)
> - messages containing a self-referential appeal to status (a virtual
> pastime)
> - politically contentious messages (attacks on liberals come to mind)
> - attacking another's point of view (favorite pastime) and generally
> affixing a label to the person attacked (frequently employed tactic)
> - attempt to make one's personality the center of every discussion
> (ARBR, Usenet, the universe ... his "GREATNESS" knows no limits)
> - derive perverse pleasure from causing frustration, anger and pain
> (only one of several assumed, and stated, motives)
> - self-proclaimed trolls suggest that trolling is their way of
> improving forum discussion (rationalizing "housekeeping" rhetoric
> comes to mind)
> - enjoys the knowledge that they waste others' time at comparatively
> little effort on their behalf (regurgitated cut and paste boilerplate
> is an indication of this)
> - self-promotion (no comment should even be necessary)
> - feigning to be a misunderstood humorist (commonplace)
> - deliberately using ambiguous language to obfuscate meaning
> (commonplace)
It takes someone intelligent to pull off the above. A common blockhead and
dullard like you could never do it. You fall into the Ed Gin class, not the
Ed Dolan class. Try to get a clue why don't you?
> If the above cited elements sound like a portrait of Ed Dolan, it very
> well should. His own words betray his malicious intentions ... "I am
> merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create some
> mayhem". With each and every post, Ed Dolan replenishes his identity
> as ARBR's quintessential TROLL.
>
> Trolls crave attention, be it positive or negative. The one thing
> that a troll can't accept or tolerate is to be ignored. There is
> wisdom in the often cited advice ... Please don't feed the troll.
> Perhaps it would be best then to ignore the obnoxious, geriatric
> juvenile ... HEAD SWOLLEN Ed Dolan. In the greater scheme of things,
> he matters not. He is insignificant and irrelevant.
It does not matter to me whether I get any responses or not since they will
be idiotic in any event. I post for the enjoyment of the few intelligent
readers who may exist on these cycling newsgroups. Rest assured, you are not
among them.
>> An intelligent troll may well
>> contribute something to the group. I put Jim McNamara right next to Ed
>> Gin,
>> the criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR.
> Ed Dolan is admittedly a TROLL, but intelligent is a matter open for
> debate. If he were intelligent, he should be able to comprehend what
> I wrote above regarding trolls and recognize himself for what and who
> he is ... a TROLL!!! Ed Dolan is a therapists dream, or should I say
> nightmare???
"An intelligent troll may well contribute something to the group." - Ed
Dolan
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 10:22:52
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Oct 8, 6:43 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191793028.325173.202380@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
> > Ed (yep I'm addressing you personally and top posting too),
>
> > I see you've run out of material again and have resorted to
> > recycling. You may have noticed that fewer and fewer people are even
> > taking notice of your tedious, repetitious, regurgitated, copy and
> > paste boilerplate, but I'm be here for you, that is until I just lose
> > interest myself like everyone else. Then you'll have no one and
> > you'll be back to contemplating your navel and drowning your
> > "perpetual sorrows" in that cheap wine you slug down.
>
> It would appear that I have finally gotten rid of all the liberal scofflaws
> and other human detritus that was cluttering up this newsgroup, otherwise
> known as ARBR. Good riddance to the lot of them - or would you rather have
> good old Slugger back here among us?
>
> Why pay more for alcohol than you have to? After all, hooch is hooch. I
> highly recommend Livingston Cellars Red Rose to one and all. I think it is a
> Gallo wine from the execrable state of California.
>
> If Jim McNamara spent more time contemplating his own navel instead of
> stalking on Usenet, we would all be a lot better off.
We??? The delusional one now thinks he speaks for the entire
readership??? Quit your whining, already. You have only yourself to
blame for the "stalking" that you have fallen victim of from your many
adversaries. You intentionally go trolling for fights. When you
encounter a tenacious, formidable adversary, and find yourself
hopelessly embroiled in an embarrassing no-win cyber-skirmish, in
desperation, you move to disencumber yourself by seeking to discredit
and dismiss your adversary by labeling him or her as a stalker. This
thinly disguised ploy of yours has failed countless times. If you
really want to escape your self-inflicted dilemma, then turn tail and
slither on out of here.
> > Unlike you, I actually fulfill a useful cyberspace function as a
> > frequent contributor on the DellTalk technical support forum. Many
> > have benefited from my helpful posts. You should emulate me. After
> > all of what benefit are your obnoxious spam troll posts? Never mind.
> > That was a rhetorical question.
>
> I suggest you stay on your little techie forum and not bother us big boys
> here on these cycling newsgroups. There is no greater function that one can
> perform for another than to tell him what an idiot he is.
Opinion state as fact.
> I should send you
> a bill for my services for at least a couple of thousand dollars. I KNOW you
> have surrounded yourself with sycophants all of your life and I am most
> likely the only one to ever tell you what an idiot you are.
Opinion stated as fact.
> You should at least be thanking me if nothing else.
Yeah right ... when hell freezes over. On the topic of idiots, you'd
be a complete idiot if you didn't have a few screws missing.
Jim McNamara
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> > On Oct 6, 4:55 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> You may have noticed that I am now posting my seminal messages to quite a
> >> few of the cycling newsgroups. If and when you want to respond to any of
> >> my
> >> messages, be sure that they get to ARBR. The rest of the cycling
> >> newsgroups
> >> are just too fucking stupid for me to ever look in on them. I am not
> >> known
> >> far and wide as Ed Dolan the Great for nothing.
>
> >> One other thing, if and when you post your odious messages to a newsgroup
> >> other than ARBR, they will not come to my attention and so will not be
> >> answered with the contempt they so richly deserve. It is up to you if you
> >> merely want to mutter things to yourself or if you want to engage a
> >> mighty
> >> intellect. Post to ARBR or get lost!
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >> aka
> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> >> PS. You do not want to ever engage Saint Edward the Great on matters of
> >> morality. He is a very Great Saint indeed and even Ed Dolan the Great
> >> fears
> >> Him. Nay, it is best to let a sleeping Saint lie.
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 14:12:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1191950572.643171.179090@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 8, 6:43 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191793028.325173.202380@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>> > Ed (yep I'm addressing you personally and top posting too),
>>
>> > I see you've run out of material again and have resorted to
>> > recycling. You may have noticed that fewer and fewer people are even
>> > taking notice of your tedious, repetitious, regurgitated, copy and
>> > paste boilerplate, but I'm be here for you, that is until I just lose
>> > interest myself like everyone else. Then you'll have no one and
>> > you'll be back to contemplating your navel and drowning your
>> > "perpetual sorrows" in that cheap wine you slug down.
>>
>> It would appear that I have finally gotten rid of all the liberal
>> scofflaws
>> and other human detritus that was cluttering up this newsgroup, otherwise
>> known as ARBR. Good riddance to the lot of them - or would you rather
>> have
>> good old Slugger back here among us?
[...]
>> If Jim McNamara spent more time contemplating his own navel instead of
>> stalking on Usenet, we would all be a lot better off.
>
> We??? The delusional one now thinks he speaks for the entire
> readership??? Quit your whining, already. You have only yourself to
> blame for the "stalking" that you have fallen victim of from your many
> adversaries. You intentionally go trolling for fights. When you
> encounter a tenacious, formidable adversary, and find yourself
> hopelessly embroiled in an embarrassing no-win cyber-skirmish, in
> desperation, you move to disencumber yourself by seeking to discredit
> and dismiss your adversary by labeling him or her as a stalker. This
> thinly disguised ploy of yours has failed countless times. If you
> really want to escape your self-inflicted dilemma, then turn tail and
> slither on out of here.
Here is Jim McNamara yet once again making a perfect fool of himself. Not
only does he admit to being a stalker, but he is proud of it. Apparently, he
has no sense of shame at all.
I will say this much - being a troll can't compared to being a stalker.
There is no honor in stalking at all. An intelligent troll may well
contribute something to the group. I put Jim McNamara right next to Ed Gin,
the criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR.
[...]
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Oct 28, 3:44 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:34:43 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Oct 19, 3:43 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1192755095.980190.111360@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >> [...]
>
> >> > It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Dolan
> >> > takes solace from this because he is less likely to be proven
> >> > fallible ... a frailty of the human condition that he could not
> >> > possibly admit to. Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about
> >> > opinion and is clamorously contemptuous of logic and facts.
>
> >> Jim McNamara would not know a fact if one jumped up and bit him in the ass.
> >> But no one else does either. The truth is that ALL facts (such as they are)
> >> are subject to interpretation. That is what I am here for - to interpret
> >> them to blockheads like Jim McNamara. I wil tell you what to think in spite
> >> of yourself.
>
> >> Dolan
>
> >> > emphatically insists upon being unencumbered by logic and unrestrained
> >> > by facts for two specific, though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not
> >> > Dolan's strong suit and fact, by definition, is not subject to debate
> >> > (read not arguable), which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ...
> >> > argumentation. Ed is uncomfortable when bound by the confines of
> >> > logic and fact.
>
> >> Poor Jim got stuck with Thomistic philosophy (as well as lots of wasted
> >> theology) when he went to a Catholic college in his long lost youth and he
> >> has never recovered from it. Forget everything you ever learned about logic.
> >> Just THINK! All you have to do is put your God given brain into gear.
>
> >> So, what's a Dolan to do? Well, argue about
>
> >> > opinions, but there's problem with that too. Something cannot be
> >> > branded "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is
> >> > merely an expression of opinion. Nonetheless this is precisely what
> >> > Dolan endeavors to do ... debate the non-debatable (read opinion).
>
> >> There is nothing under the sun that can't be debated (argued about).
> >> Everything is a matter of opinion. Just ask any Muslim terrorist - or any
> >> liberal apologist for them.
>
> >> > What is debatable are particulars such as values, policies, proposals
> >> > or propositions. What is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever
> >> > be able to discern the distinction between fact and opinion and
> >> > determine what is and what is not subject to debate.
>
> >> "Everything is a matter of opinion." - Ed Dolan
>
> >> Undoubtedly,
>
> >> > Dolan will reply with predictable, incoherent recycled babble to
> >> > refute as nonsense that which I have written, but the only nonsense
> >> > will be Dolan's response to that which is commonly accepted by persons
> >> > that are rational, a virtue that Ed Dolan has yet to master.
>
> >> There actually is no such thing as a rational person. Some are better than
> >> others at argumentation. Tom Sherman no doubt thinks he is a rational
> >> person, so how is it that he is wrong about most everything under the sun
> >> ... except recumbents!
>
> >Yep, Ed Doaln did not disappoint in providing recycle babble as
> >predicted. Why he finds it necessary to so very often drag other
> >people into his replies (Tom Sherman in this instance) is beyond me
>
> What is your excuse for jumping at the bait? Providing pearls of
> wisdom is obviously NOT the reason.
A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
Jim McNamara
> >unless the troll is just tossing out bait.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >> aka
> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 31 Oct 2007 03:52:02
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>On Oct 28, 3:44 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:34:43 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Oct 19, 3:43 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1192755095.980190.111360@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> >> [...]
>>
>> >> > It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Dolan
>> >> > takes solace from this because he is less likely to be proven
>> >> > fallible ... a frailty of the human condition that he could not
>> >> > possibly admit to. Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about
>> >> > opinion and is clamorously contemptuous of logic and facts.
>>
>> >> Jim McNamara would not know a fact if one jumped up and bit him in the ass.
>> >> But no one else does either. The truth is that ALL facts (such as they are)
>> >> are subject to interpretation. That is what I am here for - to interpret
>> >> them to blockheads like Jim McNamara. I wil tell you what to think in spite
>> >> of yourself.
>>
>> >> Dolan
>>
>> >> > emphatically insists upon being unencumbered by logic and unrestrained
>> >> > by facts for two specific, though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not
>> >> > Dolan's strong suit and fact, by definition, is not subject to debate
>> >> > (read not arguable), which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ...
>> >> > argumentation. Ed is uncomfortable when bound by the confines of
>> >> > logic and fact.
>>
>> >> Poor Jim got stuck with Thomistic philosophy (as well as lots of wasted
>> >> theology) when he went to a Catholic college in his long lost youth and he
>> >> has never recovered from it. Forget everything you ever learned about logic.
>> >> Just THINK! All you have to do is put your God given brain into gear.
>>
>> >> So, what's a Dolan to do? Well, argue about
>>
>> >> > opinions, but there's problem with that too. Something cannot be
>> >> > branded "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is
>> >> > merely an expression of opinion. Nonetheless this is precisely what
>> >> > Dolan endeavors to do ... debate the non-debatable (read opinion).
>>
>> >> There is nothing under the sun that can't be debated (argued about).
>> >> Everything is a matter of opinion. Just ask any Muslim terrorist - or any
>> >> liberal apologist for them.
>>
>> >> > What is debatable are particulars such as values, policies, proposals
>> >> > or propositions. What is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever
>> >> > be able to discern the distinction between fact and opinion and
>> >> > determine what is and what is not subject to debate.
>>
>> >> "Everything is a matter of opinion." - Ed Dolan
>>
>> >> Undoubtedly,
>>
>> >> > Dolan will reply with predictable, incoherent recycled babble to
>> >> > refute as nonsense that which I have written, but the only nonsense
>> >> > will be Dolan's response to that which is commonly accepted by persons
>> >> > that are rational, a virtue that Ed Dolan has yet to master.
>>
>> >> There actually is no such thing as a rational person. Some are better than
>> >> others at argumentation. Tom Sherman no doubt thinks he is a rational
>> >> person, so how is it that he is wrong about most everything under the sun
>> >> ... except recumbents!
>>
>> >Yep, Ed Doaln did not disappoint in providing recycle babble as
>> >predicted. Why he finds it necessary to so very often drag other
>> >people into his replies (Tom Sherman in this instance) is beyond me
>>
>> What is your excuse for jumping at the bait? Providing pearls of
>> wisdom is obviously NOT the reason.
>
>A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>Jim McNamara
>
>> >unless the troll is just tossing out bait.
>>
>> >> Regards,
>>
>> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> >> aka
>> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 31 Oct 2007 03:37:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
[...]
>>A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>
> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
nature in general. He is too busy stalking to learn anything about anyone.
Poor-Jim (all one name) is forever spiteful and small minded. He is an
example of what can happen to you when you cannot accept criticism. He has
the delicate ego of a teenager even though he is well into his 60's. A very
sad case!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great -
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
> [...]
>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>
> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
> nature in general....
Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
the general welfare of the species and planet.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?
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Date: 31 Oct 2007 21:30:13
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when
> the only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass
> hominid sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly
> hominids), birds and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the
> forests will be gone, the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and
> oceans fouled. All because people put their personal desire to breed
> excessively ahead of the general welfare of the species and planet.
Aren't birth rates down -- in North America and Europe, at least? If you
really believe what you wrote, then why worry about global climate change,
dietary restrictions (nanny state-imposed, that is), or hell, anything else?
We'll all be gone soon enough!
Bill "doomsayers and alarmists: contradictory?" S.
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Date: 01 Nov 2007 04:40:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote in message
news:47295655$0$24312$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when
>> the only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass
>> hominid sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly
>> hominids), birds and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the
>> forests will be gone, the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and
>> oceans fouled. All because people put their personal desire to breed
>> excessively ahead of the general welfare of the species and planet.
>
> Aren't birth rates down -- in North America and Europe, at least? If you
> really believe what you wrote, then why worry about global climate change,
> dietary restrictions (nanny state-imposed, that is), or hell, anything
> else? We'll all be gone soon enough!
I don't think it matters much whether birth rates are down in America and
Europe since the birth rates elsewhere in the world more than make up for
it. Besides, are not America and Europe admitting all the downtrodden of the
rest of the world into their precincts?
Mr. Sherman is right and what he predicts will come to past, but hopefully
not while any of us are still alive.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Nov 2007 02:05:17
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com > wrote:
>Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>>
>> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
>> nature in general....
>
>Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>the general welfare of the species and planet.
You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
important, not just population.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great -
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>>>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>>> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
>>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
>>> nature in general....
>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>> only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>> sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>> and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>> the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>> because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>> the general welfare of the species and planet.
>
> You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
> ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
> population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
> important, not just population.
Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold
people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two
billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the
technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion
people can ruin the planet with stone age technology.
We are screwed. The overpopulation problem should have been addressed 40
years ago, but still has not due to religious superstitions and
individual selfishness.
Maybe the next dominant species that evolves in a few million years will
be morally better than us hominids.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?
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Date: 03 Nov 2007 21:47:49
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com > wrote:
>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>>>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>>>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>>>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>>>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>>>>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>>>> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
>>>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
>>>> nature in general....
>>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>>> only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>>> sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>>> and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>>> the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>>> because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>>> the general welfare of the species and planet.
>>
>> You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
>> ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
>> population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
>> important, not just population.
>
>Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold
>people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two
>billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the
>technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion
>people can ruin the planet with stone age technology.
That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like
only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG.
>We are screwed. The overpopulation problem should have been addressed 40
>years ago, but still has not due to religious superstitions and
>individual selfishness.
>
>Maybe the next dominant species that evolves in a few million years will
>be morally better than us hominids.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great -
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>>>>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>>>>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>>>>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>>>>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>>>>>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>>>>> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
>>>>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
>>>>> nature in general....
>>>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>>>> only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>>>> sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>>>> and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>>>> the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>>>> because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>>>> the general welfare of the species and planet.
>>> You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
>>> ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
>>> population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
>>> important, not just population.
>> Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold
>> people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two
>> billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the
>> technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion
>> people can ruin the planet with stone age technology.
>
> That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like
> only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG.
Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like
concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is
about to go off in close proximity.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?
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Date: 04 Nov 2007 10:48:45
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
|
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com > wrote:
>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>>>>>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>>>>>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>>>>>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>>>>>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>>>>>>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>>>>>> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
>>>>>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
>>>>>> nature in general....
>>>>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>>>>> only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>>>>> sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>>>>> and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>>>>> the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>>>>> because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>>>>> the general welfare of the species and planet.
>>>> You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
>>>> ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
>>>> population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
>>>> important, not just population.
>>> Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold
>>> people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two
>>> billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the
>>> technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion
>>> people can ruin the planet with stone age technology.
>>
>> That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like
>> only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG.
>
>Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like
>concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is
>about to go off in close proximity.
Thanks for demonstrating your UTTER ignorance. There are NO
thermonuclear bombs going off in our parks or other natural areas, and
mountain biking is the most destructive activity ever allowed there.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 04 Nov 2007 08:21:26
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great -
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>>>>>>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>>>>>>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>>>>>>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>>>>>>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>>>>>>> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
>>>>>>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
>>>>>>> nature in general....
>>>>>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>>>>>> only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>>>>>> sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>>>>>> and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>>>>>> the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>>>>>> because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>>>>>> the general welfare of the species and planet.
>>>>> You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
>>>>> ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
>>>>> population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
>>>>> important, not just population.
>>>> Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold
>>>> people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two
>>>> billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the
>>>> technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion
>>>> people can ruin the planet with stone age technology.
>>> That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like
>>> only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG.
>> Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like
>> concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is
>> about to go off in close proximity.
>
> Thanks for demonstrating your UTTER ignorance. There are NO
> thermonuclear bombs going off in our parks or other natural areas, and
> mountain biking is the most destructive activity ever allowed there.
Thanks for demonstrating your inability to understand an analogy.
What does some damage from off-road bicycling matter if these wilderness
areas are eventually stripped by the starving hoards of trees for
firewood, the land converted to subsistence farming, and all extractable
minerals mined? Those actions WILL happen due to overpopulation, unless
some event occurs to drastically reduce worldwide population. Voluntary
population reduction will never happen, since individuals put their
selfish wants above the needs of society.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?
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Date: 04 Nov 2007 08:44:36
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:21:26 -0600, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com > wrote:
>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>>>>>>>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>>>>>>>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>>>>>>>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>>>>>>>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>>>>>>>> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
>>>>>>>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
>>>>>>>> nature in general....
>>>>>>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>>>>>>> only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>>>>>>> sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>>>>>>> and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>>>>>>> the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>>>>>>> because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>>>>>>> the general welfare of the species and planet.
>>>>>> You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
>>>>>> ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
>>>>>> population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
>>>>>> important, not just population.
>>>>> Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold
>>>>> people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two
>>>>> billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the
>>>>> technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion
>>>>> people can ruin the planet with stone age technology.
>>>> That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like
>>>> only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG.
>>> Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like
>>> concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is
>>> about to go off in close proximity.
>>
>> Thanks for demonstrating your UTTER ignorance. There are NO
>> thermonuclear bombs going off in our parks or other natural areas, and
>> mountain biking is the most destructive activity ever allowed there.
>
>Thanks for demonstrating your inability to understand an analogy.
>
>What does some damage from off-road bicycling matter if these wilderness
>areas are eventually stripped by the starving hoards of trees for
>firewood, the land converted to subsistence farming, and all extractable
>minerals mined? Those actions WILL happen due to overpopulation, unless
>some event occurs to drastically reduce worldwide population. Voluntary
>population reduction will never happen, since individuals put their
>selfish wants above the needs of society.
Um, I hate to break it to you, but animals and plants killed by
mountain bikers won't be comforted much knowing that the forest will
be destroyed LATER. Since you like analogies, by your thinking, the
police should ignore all crimes but murder, because they are
insignificant IN COMPARISON TO MURDER. You are just rationalizing, not
thinking. You obviously aren't capable of rational thought. I feel
sorry for Ed, having to put up with numbskulls like you.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 05:05:45
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:hgtri3hdtaco8jqebt5ds0jgo7uihufh53@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:21:26 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>>What does some damage from off-road bicycling matter if these wilderness
>>areas are eventually stripped by the starving hoards of trees for
>>firewood, the land converted to subsistence farming, and all extractable
>>minerals mined? Those actions WILL happen due to overpopulation, unless
>>some event occurs to drastically reduce worldwide population. Voluntary
>>population reduction will never happen, since individuals put their
>>selfish wants above the needs of society.
>
> Um, I hate to break it to you, but animals and plants killed by
> mountain bikers won't be comforted much knowing that the forest will
> be destroyed LATER. Since you like analogies, by your thinking, the
> police should ignore all crimes but murder, because they are
> insignificant IN COMPARISON TO MURDER. You are just rationalizing, not
> thinking. You obviously aren't capable of rational thought. I feel
> sorry for Ed, having to put up with numbskulls like you.
Mr. Tom Sherman and I are taking the long view. We are both pessimists at
heart. Mr. Mike Vandeman is an optimist and believes that it is possible to
accomplish something in the way of preserving nature. However, I tend to
agree with Tom here. Of course it could be argued that in the long run we
are all of us dead. That thought occurs to me each and every day.
Many have told me that we should live our lives as though we are going to
live forever. Alas, I have never been able to do that. I think Mike is able
to do that and more power to him. I suppose it is OK to fight the good fight
as long as we have life, but unless the world's population stabilizes all is
lost. Like Tom, I believe it may already be too late.
Pogo, a cartoon character from my long lost youth, always used to proclaim
that we have met the enemy and he is us! Our nature dooms us as a species
and all the education in the world cannot correct for it. Frankly, I am with
King Louis the 14th - apres mois, le deluge!
Best,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 03:44:48
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:05:45 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:hgtri3hdtaco8jqebt5ds0jgo7uihufh53@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:21:26 -0600, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>[...]
>>>What does some damage from off-road bicycling matter if these wilderness
>>>areas are eventually stripped by the starving hoards of trees for
>>>firewood, the land converted to subsistence farming, and all extractable
>>>minerals mined? Those actions WILL happen due to overpopulation, unless
>>>some event occurs to drastically reduce worldwide population. Voluntary
>>>population reduction will never happen, since individuals put their
>>>selfish wants above the needs of society.
>>
>> Um, I hate to break it to you, but animals and plants killed by
>> mountain bikers won't be comforted much knowing that the forest will
>> be destroyed LATER. Since you like analogies, by your thinking, the
>> police should ignore all crimes but murder, because they are
>> insignificant IN COMPARISON TO MURDER. You are just rationalizing, not
>> thinking. You obviously aren't capable of rational thought. I feel
>> sorry for Ed, having to put up with numbskulls like you.
>
>Mr. Tom Sherman and I are taking the long view. We are both pessimists at
>heart. Mr. Mike Vandeman is an optimist and believes that it is possible to
>accomplish something in the way of preserving nature. However, I tend to
>agree with Tom here. Of course it could be argued that in the long run we
>are all of us dead. That thought occurs to me each and every day.
>
>Many have told me that we should live our lives as though we are going to
>live forever. Alas, I have never been able to do that. I think Mike is able
>to do that and more power to him. I suppose it is OK to fight the good fight
>as long as we have life, but unless the world's population stabilizes all is
>lost. Like Tom, I believe it may already be too late.
The problem is that brainless idiots (such as Tom Sherman?) latch on
to ideas like that as excuses to do nothing. I think that pessimism is
a kind of disease, that needs stamping out (while we are discussing
cartoons, wasn't Peanuts in favor of stamping out things that need
stamping out? :)
>Pogo, a cartoon character from my long lost youth, always used to proclaim
>that we have met the enemy and he is us! Our nature dooms us as a species
>and all the education in the world cannot correct for it. Frankly, I am with
>King Louis the 14th - apres mois, le deluge!
>
>Best,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 04 Nov 2007 11:02:43
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great -
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:21:26 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:41:39 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>>>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:duufi3hb0rapo1cs7e0gdsq0a9ujce7r63@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700, JimmyMac <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> A man who obviously knows nothing of pearls or wisdom should stick to
>>>>>>>>>>> his quest of creating wildlife habitat. Should you make good your
>>>>>>>>>>> quest, I hope that you and your beloved Ed have a "wildlife" together
>>>>>>>>>>> in your own Personal Garden of Eden. SInce it would be off-limits to
>>>>>>>>>>> humans you two shold have it all to yourselves.
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your non-pearl of non-wisdom.
>>>>>>>>> All Jim McNamra knows how to do is to stalk. He does not have a clue about
>>>>>>>>> your expertise on how mountain biking harms hiking trails and how it harms
>>>>>>>>> nature in general....
>>>>>>>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>>>>>>>> only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>>>>>>>> sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>>>>>>>> and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>>>>>>>> the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>>>>>>>> because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>>>>>>>> the general welfare of the species and planet.
>>>>>>> You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
>>>>>>> ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
>>>>>>> population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
>>>>>>> important, not just population.
>>>>>> Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold
>>>>>> people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two
>>>>>> billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the
>>>>>> technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion
>>>>>> people can ruin the planet with stone age technology.
>>>>> That's no excuse to ignore in=mprovements in behavior. That's like
>>>>> only counting automobiles, and ignoring MPG.
>>>> Worrying about the ecological damage of off-road bicycling is like
>>>> concentrating on scratching a minor itch when a thermonuclear bomb is
>>>> about to go off in close proximity.
>>> Thanks for demonstrating your UTTER ignorance. There are NO
>>> thermonuclear bombs going off in our parks or other natural areas, and
>>> mountain biking is the most destructive activity ever allowed there.
>> Thanks for demonstrating your inability to understand an analogy.
>>
>> What does some damage from off-road bicycling matter if these wilderness
>> areas are eventually stripped by the starving hoards of trees for
>> firewood, the land converted to subsistence farming, and all extractable
>> minerals mined? Those actions WILL happen due to overpopulation, unless
>> some event occurs to drastically reduce worldwide population. Voluntary
>> population reduction will never happen, since individuals put their
>> selfish wants above the needs of society.
>
> Um, I hate to break it to you, but animals and plants killed by
> mountain bikers won't be comforted much knowing that the forest will
> be destroyed LATER. Since you like analogies, by your thinking, the
> police should ignore all crimes but murder, because they are
> insignificant IN COMPARISON TO MURDER. You are just rationalizing, not
> thinking. You obviously aren't capable of rational thought. I feel
> sorry for Ed, having to put up with numbskulls like you.
Whoosh!
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?
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Date: 01 Nov 2007 05:15:18
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com > wrote in message
news:fgbhtl$jr0$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:00:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>>> Kind of silly to worry about off-road bicycling harming nature, when the
>>> only thing that will save most ecosystems on the planet is mass hominid
>>> sterilization. Most larger mammals (including possibly hominids), birds
>>> and fish will be extinct in 100 years or so, the forests will be gone,
>>> the topsoil depleted and the lakes, rivers and oceans fouled. All
>>> because people put their personal desire to breed excessively ahead of
>>> the general welfare of the species and planet.
>>
>> You need to distinguish between NUMBERS of humans, and their BEHAVIOR.
>> ONE human with atomic weapons can do more harm than the rest of the
>> population combined. That can't be THAT hard to understand. BOTH are
>> important, not just population.
>
> Hungry people want to eat, and damn the ecological consequences. Cold
> people want shelter and a fire, damn forest sustainability. Only two
> billion people can live a decent, sustainable lifestyle with the
> technology foreseeable in the next century. Seven or eight billion people
> can ruin the planet with stone age technology.
>
> We are screwed. The overpopulation problem should have been addressed 40
> years ago, but still has not due to religious superstitions and individual
> selfishness.
>
> Maybe the next dominant species that evolves in a few million years will
> be morally better than us hominids.
Mr. Tom Sherman makes some very good points here with which I largely agree.
If you want to know what all the earth will be like in several hundred
years, go to India or China. Whether anyone will be rich or poor does not
matter because the ecology of the earth will have been largely destroyed
from what it has been from time immemorial.
I like to think of what Iowa was like before it was settled by Europeans. It
must have been a paradise with only a few bands of Indians living off the
wild life. Now look at it - an ecological disaster even though it feeds the
world. I think of the whole state as the Black Desert. Even the song birds
are disappearing. There are nothing but cackling crows now about the house,
enough to drive one stark raving mad. We shall end up in a world populated
solely by rats and cockroaches since they resemble us in every way.
Everyone should read "The Oregon Trail" to get an idea of what a paradise
America was before European settlement ruined it.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 23:28:21
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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In article <Nq-dnWX_Afb3hZfanZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > writes:
>
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1191793028.325173.202380@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
>> Ed (yep I'm addressing you personally and top posting too),
>>
>> I see you've run out of material again and have resorted to
>> recycling. You may have noticed that fewer and fewer people are even
>> taking notice of your tedious, repetitious, regurgitated, copy and
>> paste boilerplate, but I'm be here for you, that is until I just lose
>> interest myself like everyone else. Then you'll have no one and
>> you'll be back to contemplating your navel and drowning your
>> "perpetual sorrows" in that cheap wine you slug down.
>
> It would appear that I have finally gotten rid of all the liberal scofflaws
> and other human detritus that was cluttering up this newsgroup, otherwise
> known as ARBR. Good riddance to the lot of them - or would you rather have
> good old Slugger back here among us?
Well, I'm not a liberal, a scofflaw, or an ARBR poster.
But I luv ya, when you're not saying a bunch of stupid
anti-Semetic stuff.
> Why pay more for alcohol than you have to? After all, hooch is hooch. I
> highly recommend Livingston Cellars Red Rose to one and all. I think it is a
> Gallo wine from the execrable state of California.
Sounds like it would make a good sangria.
The WWW is replete with plans, designs & ideas for
home-styled pot stills and fractionating columns.
Let's go to Bohemia. I'll buy you an absinthe.
Heck, I'll buy you a pig-foot 'n a beer.
You could sit alone in an enshadowed corner and growl
at everybody. But when the place closes and we're
out on the street and the poliz are there -- I don't
know ya. And I may well end up hooking up with some
beautiful Slav woman.
cheers,
Tom
--
Something tells me my lucky number might be changing ...
-- Lena Lovich
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 05:35:17
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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"Tom Keats" <tomkeats@bud.garden.local > wrote in message
news:527fef.0j.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <Nq-dnWX_Afb3hZfanZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1191793028.325173.202380@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>>> Ed (yep I'm addressing you personally and top posting too),
>>>
>>> I see you've run out of material again and have resorted to
>>> recycling. You may have noticed that fewer and fewer people are even
>>> taking notice of your tedious, repetitious, regurgitated, copy and
>>> paste boilerplate, but I'm be here for you, that is until I just lose
>>> interest myself like everyone else. Then you'll have no one and
>>> you'll be back to contemplating your navel and drowning your
>>> "perpetual sorrows" in that cheap wine you slug down.
>>
>> It would appear that I have finally gotten rid of all the liberal
>> scofflaws
>> and other human detritus that was cluttering up this newsgroup, otherwise
>> known as ARBR. Good riddance to the lot of them - or would you rather
>> have
>> good old Slugger back here among us?
>
> Well, I'm not a liberal, a scofflaw, or an ARBR poster.
> But I luv ya, when you're not saying a bunch of stupid
> anti-Semetic stuff.
That should be anti-Semitic, which means anti-Jew in our culture. I am a
very strong defender of the State of Israel. Just ask Jeff Grippe of ARBR.
He is a smart ass liberal New York Jew, but he knows I like him mostly
because he is in fact a Jew even if he is not a great defender of Israel
like I am. His smart ass liberalism I could do without.
I will admit I hate the Muslim Islamofascists, almost all of whom are Arabs,
but I also hate the ruling Muslim clerics of Iran. Hey, I guess I just hate
ANYONE who wants to kill us. How about you?
>> Why pay more for alcohol than you have to? After all, hooch is hooch. I
>> highly recommend Livingston Cellars Red Rose to one and all. I think it
>> is a
>> Gallo wine from the execrable state of California.
>
> Sounds like it would make a good sangria.
>
> The WWW is replete with plans, designs & ideas for
> home-styled pot stills and fractionating columns.
>
> Let's go to Bohemia. I'll buy you an absinthe.
> Heck, I'll buy you a pig-foot 'n a beer.
> You could sit alone in an enshadowed corner and growl
> at everybody. But when the place closes and we're
> out on the street and the poliz are there -- I don't
> know ya. And I may well end up hooking up with some
> beautiful Slav woman.
I have given up drinking alcohol altogether as it is giving me a numb left
foot. How the hell can I kick liberal ass if I have a numb left foot? It is
too bad I can't have alcohol anymore as I rather enjoyed it, but that is the
way it has been for me all of my life. If I like something, I can't have it
because it is bad for me. I think from this springs all of morality.
I will leave Slav women to my good buddy Jeff Grippe. Like all Jews, he has
an eye for shapely females. I will devote my time to getting some feeling
back in my left foot so I can kick liberal ass better.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 12:49:41
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:AJSdnWK8wotDxJbanZ2dnUVZ_rmjnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
> I will leave Slav women to my good buddy Jeff Grippe. Like all Jews, he
> has an eye for shapely females. I will devote my time to getting some
> feeling back in my left foot so I can kick liberal ass better.
>
Sorry Ed, no can do. I'm married, and unless my wife decides that monogamy
isn't important anymore (don't bet on that happening), all of my admiration
of shapely females will have to remain simply admiration. You know how I
feel about keeping your word (at least I think we've had that conversation).
Thanks for thinking of me.
Jeff Grippe, SANYJ
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 14:37:08
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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Ed (yep I'm addressing you personally and top posting too),
I see you've run out of material again and have resorted to
recycling. You may have noticed that fewer and fewer people are even
taking notice of your tedious, repetitious, regurgitated, copy and
paste boilerplate, but I'm be here for you, that is until I just lose
interest myself like everyone else. Then you'll have no one and
you'll be back to contemplating your navel and drowning your
"perpetual sorrows" in that cheap wine you slug down.
Unlike you, I actually fulfill a useful cyberspace function as a
frequent contributor on the DellTalk technical support forum. Many
have benefited from my helpful posts. You should emulate me. After
all of what benefit are your obnoxious spam troll posts? Never mind.
That was a rhetorical question.
Jim McNamara
On Oct 6, 4:55 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> You may have noticed that I am now posting my seminal messages to quite a
> few of the cycling newsgroups. If and when you want to respond to any of my
> messages, be sure that they get to ARBR. The rest of the cycling newsgroups
> are just too fucking stupid for me to ever look in on them. I am not known
> far and wide as Ed Dolan the Great for nothing.
>
> One other thing, if and when you post your odious messages to a newsgroup
> other than ARBR, they will not come to my attention and so will not be
> answered with the contempt they so richly deserve. It is up to you if you
> merely want to mutter things to yourself or if you want to engage a mighty
> intellect. Post to ARBR or get lost!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. You do not want to ever engage Saint Edward the Great on matters of
> morality. He is a very Great Saint indeed and even Ed Dolan the Great fears
> Him. Nay, it is best to let a sleeping Saint lie.
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 06:43:47
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Reminder to the cycling newsgroups from Ed Dolan the Great - IX
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1191793028.325173.202380@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> Ed (yep I'm addressing you personally and top posting too),
>
> I see you've run out of material again and have resorted to
> recycling. You may have noticed that fewer and fewer people are even
> taking notice of your tedious, repetitious, regurgitated, copy and
> paste boilerplate, but I'm be here for you, that is until I just lose
> interest myself like everyone else. Then you'll have no one and
> you'll be back to contemplating your navel and drowning your
> "perpetual sorrows" in that cheap wine you slug down.
It would appear that I have finally gotten rid of all the liberal scofflaws
and other human detritus that was cluttering up this newsgroup, otherwise
known as ARBR. Good riddance to the lot of them - or would you rather have
good old Slugger back here among us?
Why pay more for alcohol than you have to? After all, hooch is hooch. I
highly recommend Livingston Cellars Red Rose to one and all. I think it is a
Gallo wine from the execrable state of California.
If Jim McNamara spent more time contemplating his own navel instead of
stalking on Usenet, we would all be a lot better off.
> Unlike you, I actually fulfill a useful cyberspace function as a
> frequent contributor on the DellTalk technical support forum. Many
> have benefited from my helpful posts. You should emulate me. After
> all of what benefit are your obnoxious spam troll posts? Never mind.
> That was a rhetorical question.
I suggest you stay on your little techie forum and not bother us big boys
here on these cycling newsgroups. There is no greater function that one can
perform for another than to tell him what an idiot he is. I should send you
a bill for my services for at least a couple of thousand dollars. I KNOW you
have surrounded yourself with sycophants all of your life and I am most
likely the only one to ever tell you what an idiot you are. You should at
least be thanking me if nothing else.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> On Oct 6, 4:55 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> You may have noticed that I am now posting my seminal messages to quite a
>> few of the cycling newsgroups. If and when you want to respond to any of
>> my
>> messages, be sure that they get to ARBR. The rest of the cycling
>> newsgroups
>> are just too fucking stupid for me to ever look in on them. I am not
>> known
>> far and wide as Ed Dolan the Great for nothing.
>>
>> One other thing, if and when you post your odious messages to a newsgroup
>> other than ARBR, they will not come to my attention and so will not be
>> answered with the contempt they so richly deserve. It is up to you if you
>> merely want to mutter things to yourself or if you want to engage a
>> mighty
>> intellect. Post to ARBR or get lost!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>> PS. You do not want to ever engage Saint Edward the Great on matters of
>> morality. He is a very Great Saint indeed and even Ed Dolan the Great
>> fears
>> Him. Nay, it is best to let a sleeping Saint lie.
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