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Date: 14 Feb 2006 20:28:25
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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Great idea.
Can't believe we don't have one in NYC!!!
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RIDE OF SILENCE
Date: May 17, 2006
Time: 7:00 pm
Where: At over 120 U.S. locations and eight other countries, and adding
more daily.
Join cyclists nationwide in a silent slow-paced ride (max. 12
mph/19.3 kph) in honor of those who have been injured or killed while
cycling on America's public roadways. Why do we hold this ride?
To HONOR those who have been injured or killed
To RAISE AWARENESS that we are here
To ask that we all SHARE THE ROAD
THE RIDE OF SILENCE WILL NOT BE QUIET
On May 17 at 7:00 PM, the Ride of Silence will begin in North America
and roll across the globe. Cyclists will take to the roads in a silent
procession to honor cyclists who have been killed or injured while
cycling on public roadways. Although cyclists have a legal right to
share the road with motorists, the motoring public often isn't aware of
these rights, and sometimes not aware of the cyclists themselves.
WE NEED YOUR HELP! Our goal is to make this Ride an international
event, with as many cities participating. We are looking for
individuals and groups to put on a local Ride of Silence. We ask that
you follow the following guidelines: The Ride of Silence is a memoriam
to cyclist killed while riding. This is a funeral procession, not a
typical club ride. The speed should not exceed 12 miles / 19km per
hour.
There should be NO talking. Use hand signals to point out obstacles.
Please, no headphones. We ask cyclists to wear a black armband if they
personally know someone killed while cycling and a red armband if they
have been hurt by a vehicle while cycling. Distance - 5 to 12 miles
(8 to 20 km).
If you are able to host a ride, please go to our website at
http://www.rideofsilence.org and submit your location. You will also
find a guide to putting on a local ride on our website. We will assist
you in any way we can. In 2003, Chris Phelan organized the first Ride
Of Silence in Dallas after endurance cyclist Larry Schwartz was hit by
the mirror of a passing bus and was killed. The 2003 ride at White Rock
Lake in Dallas drew 1,000 cyclists through word of mouth and email
communication over a period of only ten days. There was no
registration, no fees, no t-shirt. Local media reported the ride to be
incredibly moving as these cyclists rode in silence, occasionally
wiping away a tear or patting a friend on the back. Chris Phelan, a
friend of Mr. Schwartz and the person responsible for starting this
initiative, thought the ride was a one-time deal. However, as word got
out other cyclists began to contact him with a desire to do the same
thing in their own communities. The ride, which is being held during
Bike Safety month, aims to raise the awareness of motorists, police and
city officials that cyclists have a legal right to the public roadways.
The ride is also a chance to show respect for those who have been
killed or injured. Please help us honor our fallen brothers and
sisters....host a ride.
Sincerely,
Judith Jolly
http://www.rideofsilence.org
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Date: 16 Feb 2006 06:57:49
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
> k Hickey <k@habcycles.com> wrote:
> >steveo@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> >
> >> A motorist is less likely to collide with a person walking
> >> and bicycling if more people walk or bicycle. Policies that
> >> increase the numbers of people walking and bicycling appear
> >> to be an effective route to improving the safety of people
> >> walking and bicycling.
> >
> >That's not been my experience, though it may be in some areas.
> >
> >I lived in China for a couple years, and believe me - the cars hit
> >pedestirans and cyclists all the time. 90% of the total carnage I've
> >ever seen was during those couple years.
>
> That may be true, but I'll bet the number of injuries per mile
> per person cycling are a lot less than somewhere like NYC.
>
> --
> Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
> Brooklyn, NY
I know for myself that Taiwan bus drivers are crazy. It's a Third
World style of driving, where you're barreling around a steep bend,
honking all the time, sudden stops and accelerations, etc. I've only
met a handful of bus drivers in NYC like this, but over there it's like
the complete opposite. Interestingly, no one seems to get hurt --
certainly not on any ride I've been on! =)
I must say, though, that there may be less cyclist/motorist injuries
per mile over in China proper, but that's probably only because they
have more miles there and not as many automobiles, impressive as it may
sound at first to find a whole country apparently safer than one city.
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 09:59:27
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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r15757@aol.com wrote:
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>
> This is barking up the wrong tree so to speak.
>
> As far as motorist awareness of cyclists is concerned,
> don't assume there is anything that cyclists can do to
> raise it to a safe level. Simply assume that motorist
> awareness of cyclists is preposterously low and
> always will be. Insead, spend your energy on
> maintaining your own level of awareness while in
> traffic, that's what really counts.
>
> It's up to us not them.
>
> Robert
What's wrong with a "two-fisted" approach?
Of course we must be careful. But how does it hurt to try and raise
overall awareness?
This is the "if God wanted us to fly we'd have wings" kind of mentality
I find very distressing. It's as common as it is facile, and it's
often applied by "would-be victims" themselves!
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 08:45:11
From:
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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NYC XYZ wrote:
> This is another good point. I didn't think about it at all; such a
> ride does create (or, rather, I should say further reinforce -- since I
> think the notion is already current) the impression that cycling is
> somehow dangerous. But, all things considered, it's probably the
> lesser of two evils: you either have near-total ignorance of cyclists
> and their rights or you have the awareness that cyclists do get injured
> or killed.
This is barking up the wrong tree so to speak.
As far as motorist awareness of cyclists is concerned,
don't assume there is anything that cyclists can do to
raise it to a safe level. Simply assume that motorist
awareness of cyclists is preposterously low and
always will be. Insead, spend your energy on
maintaining your own level of awareness while in
traffic, that's what really counts.
It's up to us not them.
Robert
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 17:11:46
From: Steven M. O'Neill
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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<r15757@aol.com > wrote:
>As far as motorist awareness of cyclists is concerned,
>don't assume there is anything that cyclists can do to
>raise it to a safe level. Simply assume that motorist
>awareness of cyclists is preposterously low and
>always will be.
Not necessarily true.
A motorist is less likely to collide with a person walking
and bicycling if more people walk or bicycle. Policies that
increase the numbers of people walking and bicycling appear
to be an effective route to improving the safety of people
walking and bicycling.
Source: Inj Prev 2003;9:205-209 © 2003 BMJ;
Publishing Group Safety in numbers: more walkers and
bicyclists, safer walking and bicycling; P L Jacobsen;
http://ip.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/9/3/205
--
Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 18:40:22
From: Mark Hickey
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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steveo@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> A motorist is less likely to collide with a person walking
> and bicycling if more people walk or bicycle. Policies that
> increase the numbers of people walking and bicycling appear
> to be an effective route to improving the safety of people
> walking and bicycling.
That's not been my experience, though it may be in some areas.
I lived in China for a couple years, and believe me - the cars hit
pedestirans and cyclists all the time. 90% of the total carnage I've
ever seen was during those couple years.
k Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
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Date: 16 Feb 2006 02:04:56
From: Steven M. O'Neill
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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k Hickey <k@habcycles.com > wrote:
>steveo@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
>
>> A motorist is less likely to collide with a person walking
>> and bicycling if more people walk or bicycle. Policies that
>> increase the numbers of people walking and bicycling appear
>> to be an effective route to improving the safety of people
>> walking and bicycling.
>
>That's not been my experience, though it may be in some areas.
>
>I lived in China for a couple years, and believe me - the cars hit
>pedestirans and cyclists all the time. 90% of the total carnage I've
>ever seen was during those couple years.
That may be true, but I'll bet the number of injuries per mile
per person cycling are a lot less than somewhere like NYC.
--
Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 07:07:46
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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Tom Keats wrote:
>
>
> I dunno, it sounds rather affectatiously demonstrative to me.
> And it contradicts & negates the "riding is enjoyable and healthy"
> message that so many riders wish to convey. I mean, might as well
> throw in a ching pipe band playing Amazing Grace, and lay some wreaths.
Yes, I had that feeling too, for like a second, but you know how our
culture is -- the squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that. Or, to
borrow Oscar Wilde, "bad publicity" is better than no publicity. If
the ride raises awareness, then it's done its job.
A lot of times folks are hit by "honest drivers" who simply didn't see
them, despite the victims having all their lights, flags, etc. --
precisely because there isn't an awareness that others are on the road,
too. I know this from first-hand experience out on the water; I got
cap-sized by a police boat because they just didn't expect anyone else
about. Why, on ARBR our own Jeff Grippe was badly hit (I'm talking
hospitalization) by a woman in an SUV who claims she just didn't see
him. The problem is that motorists look almost exclusively for other
cars, and maybe pedestrians if they're especially conscious (!), but
that's about it.
> But the thing I dislike most about it is: it classifies road users,
> of whom all types -- cyclists, drivers, pedestrians (maybe especially
> pedestrians) etc, suffer fatalities and life-altering injuries.
> I'm all for people doing what they can to stop all that, but it's
> gotta be good for /everybody/.
This is another good point. I didn't think about it at all; such a
ride does create (or, rather, I should say further reinforce -- since I
think the notion is already current) the impression that cycling is
somehow dangerous. But, all things considered, it's probably the
lesser of two evils: you either have near-total ignorance of cyclists
and their rights or you have the awareness that cyclists do get injured
or killed.
> cheers,
> Tom
>
> --
> -- Nothing is safe from me.
> Above address is just a spam midden.
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 07:02:29
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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In article <LqSdnY0Pc4BWoG7enZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@adelphia.com >,
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" <j.michael.elliottAT@REMOVETHEOBVIOUSgmailDOT.com > writes:
> On 2/14/2006 10:50 PM Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> In article <ICzIf.12273$Ou1.6919@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
>> "Sorni" <sornidelicates@san.rr.com> writes:
>>> Tom Keats wrote:
>>>
>>>> I dunno, it sounds rather affectatiously demonstrative to me.
>>> Way to demonstrate affectatiousness! <eg>
>>>
>>> Bill "too bad neither is a proper word?" S.
>>
>> I coins 'em as I needs 'em.
>>
>
> Right on. Show them who's boss. Take no prisoners.
Anyways the whole black crepe & black armbands thing is
so incongruous with the joy of riding. But I guess it
can be an effective tactic to get bike lanes installed.
cheers,
Tom
--
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 06:58:45
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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Actually, turns out there is one being held in NYC this year! So you
can make up for your sin: Wednesday, May 17, at 7 p.m., Union Square
North!
I "feel guilty" too, in a way...like, I mean, like I feel like it's my
"sacred duty" to attend and help provide the, um, "body count" so that
it doesn't wind up being a side-bar (spot article, in journalism
parlance)....
See ya there?
dgk wrote:
> On 14 Feb 2006 20:28:25 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Great idea.
> >
> >Can't believe we don't have one in NYC!!!
> >
> >
> >
>
> A few weeks back TimesUp had a ride commemorating those who died
> during 2005. There was at least one starting point in each boro. I
> still feel VERY guilty because it was on the day that the Giants got
> destroyed in the playoffs and I stayed home to watch it rather than
> join the ride. In fact, I think that I caused the Giants to get
> smashed by making a bad decision to watch rather than ride. Such
> power.
>
> I read an article about it in Newsday the next day - a big one, not
> one of those little side bar things. I felt even worse. Now that I've
> confessed my sin, perhaps I'll feel better about it. Next year I'll do
> the ride.
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 09:03:55
From: dgk
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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On 14 Feb 2006 20:28:25 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>Great idea.
>
>Can't believe we don't have one in NYC!!!
>
>
>
A few weeks back TimesUp had a ride commemorating those who died
during 2005. There was at least one starting point in each boro. I
still feel VERY guilty because it was on the day that the Giants got
destroyed in the playoffs and I stayed home to watch it rather than
join the ride. In fact, I think that I caused the Giants to get
smashed by making a bad decision to watch rather than ride. Such
power.
I read an article about it in Newsday the next day - a big one, not
one of those little side bar things. I felt even worse. Now that I've
confessed my sin, perhaps I'll feel better about it. Next year I'll do
the ride.
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 05:56:08
From: Paul Cassel
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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NYC XYZ wrote:
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never heard of it.
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Date: 14 Feb 2006 22:50:56
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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In article <ICzIf.12273$Ou1.6919@tornado.socal.rr.com >,
"Sorni" <sornidelicates@san.rr.com > writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> I dunno, it sounds rather affectatiously demonstrative to me.
>
> Way to demonstrate affectatiousness! <eg>
>
> Bill "too bad neither is a proper word?" S.
I coins 'em as I needs 'em.
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be
master-- that's all."
-- Lewis Carroll, "Through the Looking Glass"
cheers,
Tom
--
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Above address is just a spam midden.
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 06:42:29
From: Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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On 2/14/2006 10:50 PM Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <ICzIf.12273$Ou1.6919@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
> "Sorni" <sornidelicates@san.rr.com> writes:
>> Tom Keats wrote:
>>
>>> I dunno, it sounds rather affectatiously demonstrative to me.
>> Way to demonstrate affectatiousness! <eg>
>>
>> Bill "too bad neither is a proper word?" S.
>
> I coins 'em as I needs 'em.
>
Right on. Show them who's boss. Take no prisoners.
--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
KG6RCR
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Date: 14 Feb 2006 21:08:27
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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In article <1139977705.568851.15480@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com >,
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > writes:
>
> Great idea.
>
> Can't believe we don't have one in NYC!!!
I dunno, it sounds rather affectatiously demonstrative to me.
And it contradicts & negates the "riding is enjoyable and healthy"
message that so many riders wish to convey. I mean, might as well
throw in a ching pipe band playing Amazing Grace, and lay some wreaths.
But the thing I dislike most about it is: it classifies road users,
of whom all types -- cyclists, drivers, pedestrians (maybe especially
pedestrians) etc, suffer fatalities and life-altering injuries.
I'm all for people doing what they can to stop all that, but it's
gotta be good for /everybody/.
cheers,
Tom
--
-- Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca
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Date: 15 Feb 2006 06:11:52
From: Sorni
Subject: Re: Ride of Silence 2006 FYI
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Tom Keats wrote:
> I dunno, it sounds rather affectatiously demonstrative to me.
Way to demonstrate affectatiousness! <eg >
Bill "too bad neither is a proper word?" S.
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