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Date: 11 Aug 2006 17:02:09
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
would be instructional.
[1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg >.
[2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 19:11:18
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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Pinky aka Trevor A Panther wrote:
> what the hell has this got to do with recumbent cycling...
While riding my Dragonflyer recumbent tadpole trike, I often have the
urge to drink Beer. I think this has to do with the stability of riding
a multi-track HPV and the comfort of the rear suspension, since I do
not have the same urge on a Sunset Lowracer with an identical seat and
seat recline.
--
Tom Sherman - Here, not there.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 15:57:19
From:
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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sfb wrote:
> Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of
> the stats.
If you mean "We don't have stats, but we are sure this behavior is
dangerous," that might be reasonable.
If you mean "The stats show this behavior is safe, but we know it's
really dangerous," that's foolish.
Fortunately, I'm sure you meant the former.
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 07:14:28
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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Janet wrote:
>
>
> Drunk bicyclists can be a danger to themselves. Many years ago, someone
> I knew was stopped at a red light (in her car) and was run into by a
> bicycle. Seems the bicyclist was out bar-hopping and didn't want to
> drive (ok, that part is a st move), but he got so drunk he rode right
> into the side of her car (put a nice dent it in). He ended up with a
> trip to the emergency room.
>
> Janet
Wow, that's kind of funny, actually. (Ahem.) I hope he paid for the
damage, as well as fined and whatnot.
I never understood the beer thing at the end of a bike ride (or kayak
trip, for that matter). I never understood alcohol to begin with,
actually. What the hell kind of celebration is that, taking gulps and
gulps of Nyquil???
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 22:11:32
From: Robert Haston
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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Just more proof of my theory that cyclists don't need to have laws enforced
against them. Physics is a far crueler enforcer. You want to run red
lights, and other bonehead moves? Go ahead, your funeral.
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158243268.825477.223110@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Janet wrote:
>>
>>
>> Drunk bicyclists can be a danger to themselves. Many years ago, someone
>> I knew was stopped at a red light (in her car) and was run into by a
>> bicycle. Seems the bicyclist was out bar-hopping and didn't want to
>> drive (ok, that part is a st move), but he got so drunk he rode right
>> into the side of her car (put a nice dent it in). He ended up with a
>> trip to the emergency room.
>>
>> Janet
>
>
> Wow, that's kind of funny, actually. (Ahem.) I hope he paid for the
> damage, as well as fined and whatnot.
>
> I never understood the beer thing at the end of a bike ride (or kayak
> trip, for that matter). I never understood alcohol to begin with,
> actually. What the hell kind of celebration is that, taking gulps and
> gulps of Nyquil???
>
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 22:38:15
From:
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
"Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in his
Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf W=C3=BCtherich survived but
later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:30:05
From: Pinky
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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what the hell has this got to do with recumbent cycling
trolls the lot of you
--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org > wrote in message
news:451708d7$0$34531$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
"Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in his
Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived but
later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 02:31:04
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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In article <451708d7$0$34531$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net >,
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
>
> "Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
Well, yes, but perhaps his words about a week later were more pertinent:
"He's got to see us"
I believe, in my driving test, "relying on others for safety" was an
8-point demerit.
> One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in his
> Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived but
> later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
>
> Jobst Brandt
So Jobst, is it true that the car, "Lil Bastard," went on to kill and
maim a string of others who came in contact with it?
'98 New Beetle, cursed by design,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 00:57:52
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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On 24 Sep 2006 22:38:15 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
>
>"Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
>
>One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in his
>Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived but
>later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
>
>Jobst Brandt
I thought he hit another car, IIRC.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:14:34
From:
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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Rick Brickston writes:
>> Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
>> "Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
>> One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in
>> his Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf W=C3=BCtherich surviv=
ed
>> but later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
> I thought he hit another car, IIRC.
Almost. He approached a Y-intersection where an opposing car did not
recognize how fast the race car was approaching and crossed in front
of Dean. To avoid a head-on he swerved and rolled the car. I had the
opportunity to work with Rolf W=C3=BCtherich at Porsche and hear the
account first hand. Rolf was an amazing character who had been with
racing at Porsche most of the time he worked there. A super st
racing mechanic and a valuable asset to that part of the company.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:41:07
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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On 25 Sep 2006 01:14:34 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>Rick Brickston writes:
>
>>> Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
>
>>> "Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
>
>>> One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in
>>> his Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived
>>> but later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
>
>> I thought he hit another car, IIRC.
>
>Almost. He approached a Y-intersection where an opposing car did not
>recognize how fast the race car was approaching and crossed in front
>of Dean. To avoid a head-on he swerved and rolled the car. I had the
>opportunity to work with Rolf Wütherich at Porsche and hear the
>account first hand. Rolf was an amazing character who had been with
>racing at Porsche most of the time he worked there. A super st
>racing mechanic and a valuable asset to that part of the company.
>
>Jobst Brandt
By all accounts I've just read, the driver of the other car, Donald
Turnupseed, says Dean collided into his:
http://www.jamesdeanindeath.com/images/accident-6.jpg
Also, Turnupseed had injuries for some reason and someone in the last
50 years would have had to review the official police accident report.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:11:40
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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R Brickston wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2006 22:38:15 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
>>
>> "Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
>>
>> One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in
>> his Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived
>> but later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
>>
>> Jobst Brandt
>
> I thought he hit another car, IIRC.
http://members.aol.com/jaydeebee1/memorial.html
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:59:51
From:
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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Bill Sornson writes:
>>> Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
>>> "Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
>>> One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in
>>> his Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf W=C3=BCtherich survi=
ved
>>> but later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
>> I thought he hit another car, IIRC.
http://members.aol.com/jaydeebee1/memorial.html=20
that recount of the events says they collided while the story I got was
through evasive maneuvers Dean's car went end-over-end off the road.
W=C3=BCtherich was throne out and Dean got smashed as the car rolled.
It makes little difference, the upshot is we lost a great man. I had
a similar incident approaching Garmisch in a silver Porsche, where an
oncoming car made a left turn on a Y-intersection causing me to divert
off-road into an adjoining wet grassy field, at the end of which was
an earthen railroad causeway. I was able to do a slalom turn onto the
embankment, jump the drainage ditch and land back on the road under
the RR bridge with only a minor dent in the right rocker panel.
Fortunately there was no other traffic.
It was a similar case where the oncoming car did not assess time and
motion of the approaching car.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 06:06:53
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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On 25 Sep 2006 01:59:51 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>Bill Sornson writes:
>
>>>> Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:
>
>>>> "Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"
It wasn't an "interview." It was a public safety announcement on safe
driving and the correct quote was "...the life you save may be mine."
>
>>>> One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in
>>>> his Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived
>>>> but later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.
>
>>> I thought he hit another car, IIRC.
>
> http://members.aol.com/jaydeebee1/memorial.html
>
>that recount of the events says they collided while the story I got was
>through evasive maneuvers Dean's car went end-over-end off the road.
>Wütherich was throne out and Dean got smashed as the car rolled.
>
>It makes little difference,
I disagree, the fact of anyone's history are important, yours, mine or
James Dean. Particularly when you say you got the story from the
occupant of Dean's car. Well, by all accounts, your mechanic pal had a
very bad head injury, so he probably is not a reliable source.
> the upshot is we lost a great man.
>
> I had a similar incident approaching Garmisch in a silver Porsche...
It's not about you.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 07:01:41
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
> NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on the
> road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
> but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.
I've been extremely lucky and have never come across one, whether in a
bike, or driving myself, or under any other circumstances. Almost
every week there's some report of it -- and every other month it turns
out to be an off-duty cop! -- so when I really think about it, it's
almost enough to make me give up bicycle commuting! I don't know why
the law is so lenient on drunken drivers, but here in the City it's a
crime to ride your bike on the sidewalk (thankfully 97% of beat cops
are very sensible in this regard and don't even bat an eyelash). What
happened to all the MADD and SADD campaigns?
If you ever want to kill someone in New York, make sure you do it with
a car. That doctor who blew up his $9 million townhouse to spite his
soon-to-be-ex-wife should have ran her over instead. With a DWI/DUI,
he would have gotten, what, a year in jail or something like that.
> Did you know that at one time in Nigeria the cops would pull over a drunken
> driver and execute him on the spot with a bullet to the head. Now there is
> perfect justice!
Great idea -- but Nigeria is one of the most corrupt places in the
world (Colin Powell himself said this on his Africa tour), so I'm not
sure if they even shot the right guy!
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 11:12:09
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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Dave wrote:
> My ex roomate was loosing movement in his legs falling down a lot, and told
> me barely has any feeling in his legs to this day. He rear ended a ladies
> car, guess the mini stroke had something to do with this. BTW he's 62 if it
> matters. They took his license for a few months, then the doctor ok'd him to
> drive again. Howd ya like having him driving behind your bike! Comforting,
> they'll let anyone drive if they can afford it.
> Dave
> http://www.noweldrecumbent.com
It's true, driving should be a priviledge (it IS, actually, insofar as
one has to be licensed for it), but things have long gotten to the
point that folks think it's their God-given right or something.
I think just one instance of drunken driving should be enough to
permanently revoke the license, for example. Things should be that
strict. Instead, all they do is harp on cyclists wearing helmets and
bullshit like that, while the real problems go unchallenged.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 05:13:58
From: Janet
Subject: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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NYC XYZ wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
>>My ex roomate was loosing movement in his legs falling down a lot, and told
>>me barely has any feeling in his legs to this day. He rear ended a ladies
>>car, guess the mini stroke had something to do with this. BTW he's 62 if it
>>matters. They took his license for a few months, then the doctor ok'd him to
>>drive again. Howd ya like having him driving behind your bike! Comforting,
>>they'll let anyone drive if they can afford it.
>>Dave
>>http://www.noweldrecumbent.com
>
>
>
> It's true, driving should be a priviledge (it IS, actually, insofar as
> one has to be licensed for it), but things have long gotten to the
> point that folks think it's their God-given right or something.
>
> I think just one instance of drunken driving should be enough to
> permanently revoke the license, for example. Things should be that
> strict. Instead, all they do is harp on cyclists wearing helmets and
> bullshit like that, while the real problems go unchallenged.
>
Drunk bicyclists can be a danger to themselves. Many years ago, someone
I knew was stopped at a red light (in her car) and was run into by a
bicycle. Seems the bicyclist was out bar-hopping and didn't want to
drive (ok, that part is a st move), but he got so drunk he rode right
into the side of her car (put a nice dent it in). He ended up with a
trip to the emergency room.
Janet
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 08:45:06
From: dgk
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:13:58 GMT, Janet <janet@nospam.nojunk > wrote:
>
>
>NYC XYZ wrote:
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>>My ex roomate was loosing movement in his legs falling down a lot, and told
>>>me barely has any feeling in his legs to this day. He rear ended a ladies
>>>car, guess the mini stroke had something to do with this. BTW he's 62 if it
>>>matters. They took his license for a few months, then the doctor ok'd him to
>>>drive again. Howd ya like having him driving behind your bike! Comforting,
>>>they'll let anyone drive if they can afford it.
>>>Dave
>>>http://www.noweldrecumbent.com
>>
>>
>>
>> It's true, driving should be a priviledge (it IS, actually, insofar as
>> one has to be licensed for it), but things have long gotten to the
>> point that folks think it's their God-given right or something.
>>
>> I think just one instance of drunken driving should be enough to
>> permanently revoke the license, for example. Things should be that
>> strict. Instead, all they do is harp on cyclists wearing helmets and
>> bullshit like that, while the real problems go unchallenged.
>>
>
>Drunk bicyclists can be a danger to themselves. Many years ago, someone
>I knew was stopped at a red light (in her car) and was run into by a
>bicycle. Seems the bicyclist was out bar-hopping and didn't want to
>drive (ok, that part is a st move), but he got so drunk he rode right
>into the side of her car (put a nice dent it in). He ended up with a
>trip to the emergency room.
>
>Janet
Still significantly better than driving while drunk.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 11:01:10
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
seriously hurt or dies either way.
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com > wrote in message
news:uljig2tc95cdbdmlhd697djndsq0nlllbk@4ax.com...
>
> Still significantly better than driving while drunk.
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 21:34:27
From: Simon Kellett
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking
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"sfb" <sfb@spam.net > writes:
> It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk
> is significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody
> gets seriously hurt or dies either way.
Not "better", but "not as bad": speaking as a cyclist I would rather get
hit by a drunk cyclist than a drunk driver.
--
Simon Kellett, Darmstadt, Germany
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 12:38:22
From: David Kerber
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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In article <Hr2dnXocYMIr85TYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com >, sfb@spam.net
says...
> It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
> significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
> seriously hurt or dies either way.
Yes, but on a bike it's usually only the drunk who is hurt, and not
innocent bystanders or other drivers.
>
> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:uljig2tc95cdbdmlhd697djndsq0nlllbk@4ax.com...
> >
> > Still significantly better than driving while drunk.
>
>
>
--
Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
newsgroups if possible).
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:59:23
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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Actually, the person that may be most hurt is the driver that takes out the
cyclist when the cyclist wanders out into traffic. The innocent driver has
to live the rest of their life knowing they killed somebody.
"David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net > wrote in message
news:MPG.1f7341dc9e4beeb7989a0b@news.conversent.net...
> In article <Hr2dnXocYMIr85TYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com>, sfb@spam.net
> says...
>> It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
>> significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
>> seriously hurt or dies either way.
>
> Yes, but on a bike it's usually only the drunk who is hurt, and not
> innocent bystanders or other drivers.
>
>>
>> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:uljig2tc95cdbdmlhd697djndsq0nlllbk@4ax.com...
>> >
>> > Still significantly better than driving while drunk.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
> newsgroups if possible).
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 17:25:22
From: David Kerber
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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In article <NqudnZlBJcM2X5TYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com >, sfb@spam.net
says...
> Actually, the person that may be most hurt is the driver that takes out the
> cyclist when the cyclist wanders out into traffic. The innocent driver has
> to live the rest of their life knowing they killed somebody.
In a situation like that, my feeling is that the driver didn't kill the
drunk cyclist; the cyclist killed himself using the driver's car as his
weapon.
And yes, I would feel bad if I was the driver in this situation, but it
wouldn't eat at me for the rest of my life unless I had actually done
something wrong.
...
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 15:57:01
From: Steven M. O'Neill
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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sfb <sfb@spam.net > wrote:
>It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
>significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
>seriously hurt or dies either way.
Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we
have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will
never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt.
--
Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:57:06
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of
the stats.
"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com > wrote in message
news:eebu4d$flt$1@reader2.panix.com...
> sfb <sfb@spam.net> wrote:
>>It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
>>significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
>>seriously hurt or dies either way.
>
> Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we
> have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will
> never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt.
>
> --
> Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
> Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 15:09:12
From: Steven M. O'Neill
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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sfb <sfb@spam.net > wrote:
>"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
>> sfb <sfb@spam.net> wrote:
>>>It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
>>>significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
>>>seriously hurt or dies either way.
>>
>> Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we
>> have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will
>> never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt.
>
>Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of
>the stats.
I'm not being childish; I'm being quite reasonable, and I'm
asking you to be careful about using probabilistic language if
you don't really mean it.
You say that if someone is riding (or driving?) drunk, then
"chances are" there will be casualties. I say that, probably,
there are many, many more people riding drunk that don't get
into accidents than who do (especially if you use the legal
definition of "drunk" in most localities). But we'll never
know, because there's no way to count the total number of people
who are drunk and riding bicycles. at any given time.
(You'll not that I'm not condoning drunk riding, but pointing
out that your statement is indefensible.)
--
Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 06:54:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
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"Janet" <janet@nospam.nojunk > wrote in message
news:qy5Og.39307$QM6.1386@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> NYC XYZ wrote:
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>>My ex roomate was loosing movement in his legs falling down a lot, and
>>>told
>>>me barely has any feeling in his legs to this day. He rear ended a ladies
>>>car, guess the mini stroke had something to do with this. BTW he's 62 if
>>>it
>>>matters. They took his license for a few months, then the doctor ok'd him
>>>to
>>>drive again. Howd ya like having him driving behind your bike!
>>>Comforting,
>>>they'll let anyone drive if they can afford it.
>>>Dave
>>>http://www.noweldrecumbent.com
>>
>>
>>
>> It's true, driving should be a priviledge (it IS, actually, insofar as
>> one has to be licensed for it), but things have long gotten to the
>> point that folks think it's their God-given right or something.
>>
>> I think just one instance of drunken driving should be enough to
>> permanently revoke the license, for example. Things should be that
>> strict. Instead, all they do is harp on cyclists wearing helmets and
>> bullshit like that, while the real problems go unchallenged.
>>
>
> Drunk bicyclists can be a danger to themselves. Many years ago, someone I
> knew was stopped at a red light (in her car) and was run into by a
> bicycle. Seems the bicyclist was out bar-hopping and didn't want to drive
> (ok, that part is a st move), but he got so drunk he rode right into
> the side of her car (put a nice dent it in). He ended up with a trip to
> the emergency room.
>
> Janet
There was an old guy here in town who rode a trike every day to do his
chores. He had whiskers like Santa Claus. He was always drunk as a skunk and
one day the cops got him and told him he couldn't ride his trike about town
anymore. So now he is walking about town to do his chores. But he is still
as drunk as a skunk.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 19:03:16
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158171128.814543.18220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Dave wrote:
>> My ex roomate was loosing movement in his legs falling down a lot, and
>> told
>> me barely has any feeling in his legs to this day. He rear ended a ladies
>> car, guess the mini stroke had something to do with this. BTW he's 62 if
>> it
>> matters. They took his license for a few months, then the doctor ok'd him
>> to
>> drive again. Howd ya like having him driving behind your bike!
>> Comforting,
>> they'll let anyone drive if they can afford it.
>> Dave
>> http://www.noweldrecumbent.com
>
>
> It's true, driving should be a priviledge (it IS, actually, insofar as
> one has to be licensed for it), but things have long gotten to the
> point that folks think it's their God-given right or something.
>
> I think just one instance of drunken driving should be enough to
> permanently revoke the license, for example. Things should be that
> strict. Instead, all they do is harp on cyclists wearing helmets and
> bullshit like that, while the real problems go unchallenged.
NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on the
road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.
Did you know that at one time in Nigeria the cops would pull over a drunken
driver and execute him on the spot with a bullet to the head. Now there is
perfect justice!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 15:54:24
From: Steven M. O'Neill
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
>NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on the
>road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
>but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.
That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
http://rightofway.org/research/cyclists.pdf
--
Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 17 Sep 2006 17:45:47
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com > wrote in message
news:eebtvg$te$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on
>>the
>>road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
>>but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.
>
> That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
> found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
> intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
[...]
I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of drunken
drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply would not believe
some of the accidents we have around here due to drunken drivers just plain
running right over cyclists.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Sep 2006 19:22:46
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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In article <0LKdnVvZaMCBTZDYnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> "Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:eebtvg$te$1@reader2.panix.com...
> > Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
> >>NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I
> >>am on the road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells
> >>Bells, I drink myself but I would NEVER drive after having a few
> >>drinks.
> >
> > That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that found
> > that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while intoxicated
> > was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
> [...]
>
> I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of
> drunken drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply
> would not believe some of the accidents we have around here due to
> drunken drivers just plain running right over cyclists.
I don't recall any offhand, but we do have a lot of intoxicated drivers
in Minnesota. And an amazing amount of broken beer and liquor bottles
on Twin Cities roads on Saturday and Sunday mornings.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 01:41:19
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
"Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote in message
news:timmcn-55083C.19224617092006@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <0LKdnVvZaMCBTZDYnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> "Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:eebtvg$te$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> > Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>> >>NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I
>> >>am on the road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells
>> >>Bells, I drink myself but I would NEVER drive after having a few
>> >>drinks.
>> >
>> > That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that found
>> > that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while intoxicated
>> > was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
>> [...]
>>
>> I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of
>> drunken drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply
>> would not believe some of the accidents we have around here due to
>> drunken drivers just plain running right over cyclists.
>
> I don't recall any offhand, but we do have a lot of intoxicated drivers
> in Minnesota. And an amazing amount of broken beer and liquor bottles
> on Twin Cities roads on Saturday and Sunday mornings.
The very worst accidents (motorized murder really) occur in the rural areas
of the state, not in the cities.
Here is a tale to wrap your mind around.
There was this guy who has just gotten a brand new super-duper motorcycle,
was out all night drinking, got back on his motorcycle and went speeding
down the highway in the dark. A dog wandered out on to the highway and he
hit the dog. They were picking up pieces of him and the dog for the rest of
the night well into the morning hours. They figured he must have been going
at least 120 miles per hour when he hit the dog. Hey, just another day here
on the high prairie of southern Minnesota.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Sep 2006 23:39:28
From: Dave
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
Givin the fact that with cell phones and all sorts of new added distractions
for drivers add alcohol to the mix and you have one of the most lethal
drivers on the road anyone could ever meet riding a bike.
Dave
http://www.noweldrecumbent.com
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:0LKdnVvZaMCBTZDYnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:eebtvg$te$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on
>>>the
>>>road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
>>>but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.
>>
>> That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
>> found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
>> intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
> [...]
>
> I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of drunken
> drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply would not believe
> some of the accidents we have around here due to drunken drivers just
> plain running right over cyclists.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 17:21:33
From: Dave
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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People are far more distracted with cell phones, pda s, elaborate sound
systems, ect.,, than they used to be. They had a guy dress up as a gorilla
for a test. They had several drivers drive a pre planned route to see if
they noticed anything unusual. None of them seemed to notice during the test
that a guy in a gorilla costume was walking next to the road. They noticed
that people have selective vision only seeing what is expected. The same
thing happened with native indians when ships would sail in the seas. They
only saw ripples in the water but not the boats because they didn't know
anything like it existed or have ever seen one before. After a period of
time the boats started to appear to them. If I find the article I will post
it otherwise if someone is familiar with it please list the link
Dave
http://www.noweldrecumbent.com
"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com > wrote in message
news:eebtvg$te$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
> >NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on
the
> >road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
> >but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.
>
> That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
> found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
> intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
>
> http://rightofway.org/research/cyclists.pdf
>
> --
> Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
> Brooklyn, NY
>
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:23:32
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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cr113@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Not me. I make the assumption that everyone drives like a maniac (like
> my wife for example).
Sure you're not driving her crazy? =)
The maniacs are most predictable: just stay out of their way!
Seriously, I believe there's a certain kind of "zen" to riding in NY
rush-hour traffic...I can't explain it, but you develop an awareness of
what you can do and when...I've only been surprised less than a handful
of times in all these years.
Really, I'm sure someone in urban planning can explain it...there's a
certain flow to things, like kayaking or something...with some
practice, you get it -- kind of like when you're learning a foreign
language, and one day, you're actually able to invent idiom of your own!
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 12:24:06
From:
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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NYC XYZ wrote:
> cr113@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> >
> > > The contrast between the excellent judgment in plotting a course
> > > through moving vehicles and pedestrians and the very poor risk taking
> > > judgment is fascinating (an apparently relatively common trait among
> > > those gifted with exceptional athletic ability).
> >
> > Those riders are making the common mistake of assuming everyone besides
> > them are going to behave in a predictable manner. All it takes is one
> > car to quickly change lanes unpredictably and there'll be a gooey mess
> > all over the road.
>
>
> Come, come -- everyone makes the assumption that everyone else is going
> to be predictable.
Not me. I make the assumption that everyone drives like a maniac (like
my wife for example).
-
-
-
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 08:27:44
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
cr113@hotmail.com wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> > The contrast between the excellent judgment in plotting a course
> > through moving vehicles and pedestrians and the very poor risk taking
> > judgment is fascinating (an apparently relatively common trait among
> > those gifted with exceptional athletic ability).
>
> Those riders are making the common mistake of assuming everyone besides
> them are going to behave in a predictable manner. All it takes is one
> car to quickly change lanes unpredictably and there'll be a gooey mess
> all over the road.
Come, come -- everyone makes the assumption that everyone else is going
to be predictable. You gotta have faith. You don't put yourself in
dangerous situations, though; and that's the whole crux of the matter
here, what is "dangerous." For many, merely riding in traffic is
danger enough. Others think helmets decrease the chances of danger
somehow. Still others think that their following the rules decreases
danger.
Whatever. I say that we all take our chances, and some of us are lucky
as hell, and others are very good at what we do. Those who wish to
stay home, etc., may do so.
One thing I really want to get across is that driving is a PRIVILEDGE.
I think the "might makes right" mentality obscures the fact that
motorists have to be licensed, and that roads naturally belong to
pedestrians and, by extension, bicyclists. It's really too bad that we
have people who think it's a God-given right to zip along in an
environmentally-abusive vehicle.
Even on a bike path, pedestrians have right of way. The sooner our
laws reflect such sensibilities, where motorists are concerned, the
better.
I really don't think there should be traffic laws, as such, against
pedestrians and bicyclists. The streets are ours to begin with.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 00:10:03
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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> Those riders are making the common mistake of assuming everyone besides
> them are going to behave in a predictable manner.
... and the common mistake of assuming that they are superior to
everyone else on the road
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:18:42
From:
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> The contrast between the excellent judgment in plotting a course
> through moving vehicles and pedestrians and the very poor risk taking
> judgment is fascinating (an apparently relatively common trait among
> those gifted with exceptional athletic ability).
Those riders are making the common mistake of assuming everyone besides
them are going to behave in a predictable manner. All it takes is one
car to quickly change lanes unpredictably and there'll be a gooey mess
all over the road.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 21:20:32
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
<cr113@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157581122.576375.23110@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>> The contrast between the excellent judgment in plotting a course
>> through moving vehicles and pedestrians and the very poor risk taking
>> judgment is fascinating (an apparently relatively common trait among
>> those gifted with exceptional athletic ability).
>
> Those riders are making the common mistake of assuming everyone besides
> them are going to behave in a predictable manner. All it takes is one
> car to quickly change lanes unpredictably and there'll be a gooey mess
> all over the road.
Yes, you are quite correct. Those cyclists are skillful all right, but they
lack good judgment. That apparently is only something that comes with age.
Well, that is what I am here for. I am the epitome of good judgment and
wisdom. These freaking cycling newsgroups are extremely lucky to have me
grace their miserable presence.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 07:55:04
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
This is why I love bike-riding -- a perfect blend (the perfect balance)
between reason and non-reason!
It's mental, and it's physical...it's mechanical, and it's human...it's
something very old, with a great tradition, and yet every ride feels
like the first exhilarating time...a lot of engineering goes into the
making of a bike, but riding it well is quite an art...I love my bike!
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Paul van Veenendaal" <pvv@nospam.nl> wrote in message
> news:44EDA0B8.4080608@nospam.nl...
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1156177423.746932.68480@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> > <cut>
> >>
> >> We are children and youth only briefly, but we are men for most of our
> >> lives.
> >
> > Given the fact that time flows exponentially, this is not true.
> > Time does not proceed at a constant rate, given the fact that the last ten
> > years of my life feel in total much shorter than only one year at school
> > when I was a child.. ;-)
>
> Paul is quite right about how we experience time. I remember the 4 years I
> spent in the Navy. It seemed like I had been there all of my life after
> about 2 years. Yet I could do 4 years now standing on my head time goes by
> so fast.
>
> "We are children and youth only briefly, but we are men for most of our
> lives. Rationality is the secret to almost everything. I do not trust
> passion at all. I am apparently not yet an old man since I have no use for
> mysticism. I doubt I ever will." - Ed Dolan
>
> I will add to the above that I do not totally trust rationality either,
> anymore than I do passion. Rationality can often lead us down garden paths
> where the truth is hidden from us just as effectively as it is when we act
> with passion. However, on the whole I trust my thinking (however imperfect)
> much more than I do my feeling. When our thinking is buttressed by science
> and solid factual information we are at our best as human beings.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 09:23:43
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
> I am not a risk taker. I never have been and I never will be. I think NYC is
> just such a person judging by his follow-up post on this thread. I spent too
> much time in the Navy working as a hospital corpsman. The consequences for
> just one lapse in judgment can ruin your entire life. It is better to be a
> long-lived wimp than to be a short-lived bozo.
Audaces fortuna iuvat. Hercules at the Crossroads is something we
relive every day as men.
> It is far better to find excitement in mental pursuits than physical
> pursuits. The older you get, the more true this becomes. Thus spake
> Zarathustra.
Goethe said that "every age of a man has its own appropriate
philosophy:"
The child appears as a realist, for he finds himself as much convinced
of the existence of pears and apples as of his own. The youth,
overwhelmed by inner passions, must observe himself and feel his way
forward; he is transformed into an idealist. On the other hand, the
man has every reason for becoming a skeptic; he does well to doubt
whether the means he has chosen for the purpose is indeed the right
one. Before acting, in acting, he has every reason for keeping his
intelligence mobile...the old man, however, will always espouse
mysticism. He sees that so much seems to depend on chance -- the
irrational is successful, the rational fails, fortune and misfortune
unexpectedly coincide; so it is, so it was, and old age finds comfort
in Him who is, who was, and who will be.
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 02:35:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1156177423.746932.68480@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am not a risk taker. I never have been and I never will be. I think NYC
>> is
>> just such a person judging by his follow-up post on this thread. I spent
>> too
>> much time in the Navy working as a hospital corpsman. The consequences
>> for
>> just one lapse in judgment can ruin your entire life. It is better to be
>> a
>> long-lived wimp than to be a short-lived bozo.
>
> Audaces fortuna iuvat. Hercules at the Crossroads is something we
> relive every day as men.
>
>> It is far better to find excitement in mental pursuits than physical
>> pursuits. The older you get, the more true this becomes. Thus spake
>> Zarathustra.
>
> Goethe said that "every age of a man has its own appropriate
> philosophy:"
>
> The child appears as a realist, for he finds himself as much convinced
> of the existence of pears and apples as of his own. The youth,
> overwhelmed by inner passions, must observe himself and feel his way
> forward; he is transformed into an idealist. On the other hand, the
> man has every reason for becoming a skeptic; he does well to doubt
> whether the means he has chosen for the purpose is indeed the right
> one. Before acting, in acting, he has every reason for keeping his
> intelligence mobile...the old man, however, will always espouse
> mysticism. He sees that so much seems to depend on chance -- the
> irrational is successful, the rational fails, fortune and misfortune
> unexpectedly coincide; so it is, so it was, and old age finds comfort
> in Him who is, who was, and who will be.
We are children and youth only briefly, but we are men for most of our
lives. Rationality is the secret to almost everything. I do not trust
passion at all. I am apparently not yet an old man since I have no use for
mysticism. I doubt I ever will.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 17:21:29
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155604754.116569.254880@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Mike Vermeulen wrote:\
>
> [Edward Dolan wrote:]
>
> >> >> I have expanded the newsgroups as there is no one who is into cycling
> >> >> who
> >> >> will not enjoy these videos.
> >>
> >> This post redirects replies back to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.
> >> Those who are interested, please respond there.
> >
> > I will post to whatever combination of un-moderated newsgroups I
> > please.
> >
> >> --mev, Mike Vermeulen
> >>
> >> p.s. I agree with Chuck and prefer you not cross post garbage.
> >
> > Who is "Chuck" and who is "you"?
> >
> >> There is a reason I unsubscribed from alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.
> >
> > And?
>
> Mr. Sherman and I do not post willy-nilly to just any old newsgroups. We put
> our brains into gear and post either according to the subject matter or to
> the pseronalities involved on the various groups. I am more free about this
> than he is.
>
> These videos are anything but garbage! Anyone who is into cycling should
> have a look at them to see how the other half lives!
The contrast between the excellent judgment in plotting a course
through moving vehicles and pedestrians and the very poor risk taking
judgment is fascinating (an apparently relatively common trait among
those gifted with exceptional athletic ability).
--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 01:55:15
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155946889.531949.122200@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Mr. Sherman and I do not post willy-nilly to just any old newsgroups. We
>> put
>> our brains into gear and post either according to the subject matter or
>> to
>> the personalities involved on the various groups. I am more free about
>> this
>> than he is.
>>
>> These videos are anything but garbage! Anyone who is into cycling should
>> have a look at them to see how the other half lives!
>
> The contrast between the excellent judgment in plotting a course
> through moving vehicles and pedestrians and the very poor risk taking
> judgment is fascinating (an apparently relatively common trait among
> those gifted with exceptional athletic ability).
I am not a risk taker. I never have been and I never will be. I think NYC is
just such a person judging by his follow-up post on this thread. I spent too
much time in the Navy working as a hospital corpsman. The consequences for
just one lapse in judgment can ruin your entire life. It is better to be a
long-lived wimp than to be a short-lived bozo.
It is far better to find excitement in mental pursuits than physical
pursuits. The older you get, the more true this becomes. Thus spake
Zarathustra.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 11:28:03
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
Damn, y'all should have seen me on my 'bent in mid-town rush-hour
traffic.
That's how I normally ride, and no, you don't need a helmet. Just a
sense of the flow of traffic and pedestrians. It's like a game of
Blackjack, really.
Bike messengers rule!
Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
> of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
> would be instructional.
>
> [1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
> [2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
> --
> Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
> Post Free or Die!
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 01:48:53
From: Dave
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
My ex roomate was loosing movement in his legs falling down a lot, and told
me barely has any feeling in his legs to this day. He rear ended a ladies
car, guess the mini stroke had something to do with this. BTW he's 62 if it
matters. They took his license for a few months, then the doctor ok'd him to
drive again. Howd ya like having him driving behind your bike! Comforting,
they'll let anyone drive if they can afford it.
Dave
http://www.noweldrecumbent.com
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155925683.099927.177970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Damn, y'all should have seen me on my 'bent in mid-town rush-hour
> traffic.
>
> That's how I normally ride, and no, you don't need a helmet. Just a
> sense of the flow of traffic and pedestrians. It's like a game of
> Blackjack, really.
>
>
> Bike messengers rule!
>
>
>
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> > Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
> > of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
> > would be instructional.
> >
> > [1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
> > [2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
> > Post Free or Die!
>
>
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 18:19:14
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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Mike Vermeulen wrote:
> >> I have expanded the newsgroups as there is no one who is into cycling who
> >> will not enjoy these videos.
>
> This post redirects replies back to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.
> Those who are interested, please respond there.
I will post to whatever combination of un-moderated newsgroups I
please.
> --mev, Mike Vermeulen
>
> p.s. I agree with Chuck and prefer you not cross post garbage.
Who is "Chuck" and who is "you"?
> There is a reason I unsubscribed from alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.
And?
--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 04:38:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155604754.116569.254880@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mike Vermeulen wrote:\
[Edward Dolan wrote:]
>> >> I have expanded the newsgroups as there is no one who is into cycling
>> >> who
>> >> will not enjoy these videos.
>>
>> This post redirects replies back to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.
>> Those who are interested, please respond there.
>
> I will post to whatever combination of un-moderated newsgroups I
> please.
>
>> --mev, Mike Vermeulen
>>
>> p.s. I agree with Chuck and prefer you not cross post garbage.
>
> Who is "Chuck" and who is "you"?
>
>> There is a reason I unsubscribed from alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.
>
> And?
Mr. Sherman and I do not post willy-nilly to just any old newsgroups. We put
our brains into gear and post either according to the subject matter or to
the pseronalities involved on the various groups. I am more free about this
than he is.
These videos are anything but garbage! Anyone who is into cycling should
have a look at them to see how the other half lives!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 04:02:34
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> ...
> Well, damnation, those videos Mr. Sherman gave me are simply terrific. Many,
> many thanks Tom. I will never distrust you again. Here are all the
> additional videos that Mr. Sherman gave:
>
> More bicycle safety videos at
> <http://www.digave.com/videos/red-web.mpg>,
> <http://www.digave.com/videos/bronx.mpg>,
> <http://www.digave.com/videos/rally-kev.mpg>,
> <http://www.digave.com/videos/monster.mpg> and last but not least
> <http://www.digave.com/videos/b-web.mpg>.
>
> I have expanded the newsgroups as there is no one who is into cycling who
> will not enjoy these videos. They are quite large files, so you will have to
> be patient while they download.
>
> So what do I think them? Well, you have to be young and full of beans to
> ride like these guys do. I would advise any and all sundry to NEVER, NEVER
> ride like them. You will not live long if you do.
The combination of cycling skill and recklessness exhibited by Lucas
Brunelle & Company is fascinating.
> Tom, I am going nuts trying to figure out the cities that are portrayed
> here. I am thinking it must be some large Eastern Seaboard city. Some of it
> looks like the boondocks of Brooklyn or the Bronx. Do you have any
> information on the cities? Also, why not give us the website so that we can
> go there ourselves.
See <http://www.digave.com/videos/ >: cities are San Francisco
<http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg >, New York/Bronx, Boston and
Baltimore.
--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!
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Date: 13 Aug 2006 20:18:43
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155482808.466021.180140@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
> >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1155340929.105586.268340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
> >> > of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
> >> > would be instructional.
> >> >
> >> > [1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
> >> > [2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
> >>
> >> I have an ironclad rule NEVER to go to a link anyone gives on Usenet.
> >> Why?
> >> Because I don't trust anyone who is stupid enough to be on Usenet....
> >
> > Your loss, Eddie Boy. Video from the cyclist perspective (helmet
> > mounted camera) while riding in a major urban area is rather
> > interesting.
>
> Well, Sunday is a very dull day on Usenet, so I will go to your link and
> report back to you on it. God help you if you have given me a bum steer. You
> will never hear the end of it.
No steers (or other livestock), just cyclists, motor vehicles and
pedestrians.
--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 01:52:25
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155525523.360836.32110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155482808.466021.180140@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
>> >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:1155340929.105586.268340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the
>> >> > safety
>> >> > of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the
>> >> > topic
>> >> > would be instructional.
>> >> >
>> >> > [1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
>> >> > [2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the
>> >> > link.
>> >>
>> >> I have an ironclad rule NEVER to go to a link anyone gives on Usenet.
>> >> Why?
>> >> Because I don't trust anyone who is stupid enough to be on Usenet....
>> >
>> > Your loss, Eddie Boy. Video from the cyclist perspective (helmet
>> > mounted camera) while riding in a major urban area is rather
>> > interesting.
>>
>> Well, Sunday is a very dull day on Usenet, so I will go to your link and
>> report back to you on it. God help you if you have given me a bum steer.
>> You
>> will never hear the end of it.
>
> No steers (or other livestock), just cyclists, motor vehicles and
> pedestrians.
Well, good grief, it took forever for those files to download to my
computer. But now that I have them I will view them and let you and all the
world know what I think. Stay tuned.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 03:15:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:Vcydnf2hz5ovgH3ZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
[newsgroups expanded]
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155525523.360836.32110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:1155482808.466021.180140@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> >
>>> > Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
>>> >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> >> message
>>> >> news:1155340929.105586.268340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> >> > Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the
>>> >> > safety
>>> >> > of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the
>>> >> > topic
>>> >> > would be instructional.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > [1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
>>> >> > [2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the
>>> >> > link.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have an ironclad rule NEVER to go to a link anyone gives on Usenet.
>>> >> Why?
>>> >> Because I don't trust anyone who is stupid enough to be on Usenet....
>>> >
>>> > Your loss, Eddie Boy. Video from the cyclist perspective (helmet
>>> > mounted camera) while riding in a major urban area is rather
>>> > interesting.
>>>
>>> Well, Sunday is a very dull day on Usenet, so I will go to your link and
>>> report back to you on it. God help you if you have given me a bum steer.
>>> You
>>> will never hear the end of it.
>>
>> No steers (or other livestock), just cyclists, motor vehicles and
>> pedestrians.
>
> Well, good grief, it took forever for those files to download to my
> computer. But now that I have them I will view them and let you and all
> the world know what I think. Stay tuned.
Well, damnation, those videos Mr. Sherman gave me are simply terrific. Many,
many thanks Tom. I will never distrust you again. Here are all the
additional videos that Mr. Sherman gave:
More bicycle safety videos at
<http://www.digave.com/videos/red-web.mpg >,
<http://www.digave.com/videos/bronx.mpg >,
<http://www.digave.com/videos/rally-kev.mpg >,
<http://www.digave.com/videos/monster.mpg > and last but not least
<http://www.digave.com/videos/b-web.mpg >.
I have expanded the newsgroups as there is no one who is into cycling who
will not enjoy these videos. They are quite large files, so you will have to
be patient while they download.
So what do I think them? Well, you have to be young and full of beans to
ride like these guys do. I would advise any and all sundry to NEVER, NEVER
ride like them. You will not live long if you do.
Tom, I am going nuts trying to figure out the cities that are portrayed
here. I am thinking it must be some large Eastern Seaboard city. Some of it
looks like the boondocks of Brooklyn or the Bronx. Do you have any
information on the cities? Also, why not give us the website so that we can
go there ourselves.
I would like to advise all and sundry that Mr. Tom Sherman is a most
reputable poster to these cycling newsgroups and you can trust him when he
gives you a link to follow.
Again, many thanks Tom. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed those videos. I
have saved them to My Documents and I am going to let all of my cycling
friends have a look at them. They will enjoy them as much as I have.
Best Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Aug 2006 08:26:48
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155340929.105586.268340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
> > of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
> > would be instructional.
> >
> > [1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
> > [2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
>
> I have an ironclad rule NEVER to go to a link anyone gives on Usenet. Why?
> Because I don't trust anyone who is stupid enough to be on Usenet....
Your loss, Eddie Boy. Video from the cyclist perspective (helmet
mounted camera) while riding in a major urban area is rather
interesting.
--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 20:50:30
From:
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
NYC XYZ wrote:
> This is why I love bike-riding -- a perfect blend (the perfect balance)
> between reason and non-reason!
Dominick was crazy. When boys were expected, like hand-me-down pants,
to grow into them, he took his over-sized balloon tired standard of the
day and did things on that bike that BMX riders today only dream about.
During recess, he'd rampage the school yard sending masses of kids
rushing in one direction or the other to avoid being run over by him.
Screaming children would practically knock each other out of the way
while they'd scramble up twelve step staircases thinking that they
could get away from him and his bike.
Dominick learned to avoid our corner of the yard though---at least when
I was there. After the first time he sent us running, I stood my ground
and launched a stick-ball mop handle through his front wheel.
He ended up on his ass---but only for a moment.
Off school grounds, the streets, sidewalks, curbs, rain gutters, old
trolley train tracks, even the tops of not so low walls were all
bikeways for Dominick.
And this was over forty-years ago when even construction workers wore
no helmets and storm drains could swallow VWs.
Eventually, we would have races under the els to see who got to the
next station faster than both the overhead train and eachother.
There wasn't one race which didn't make 'The French Connection' look
like kindergarden.
I'd read Twain, Hugo, Harte, Freud, etc. and etc---at least three books
a week, but always after the races.
I don't think Dominick ever read anything though.
I'm not sure if that guy even ever got off his bike---until the last
time.
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Date: 13 Aug 2006 19:02:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155482808.466021.180140@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155340929.105586.268340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
>> > of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
>> > would be instructional.
>> >
>> > [1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
>> > [2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
>>
>> I have an ironclad rule NEVER to go to a link anyone gives on Usenet.
>> Why?
>> Because I don't trust anyone who is stupid enough to be on Usenet....
>
> Your loss, Eddie Boy. Video from the cyclist perspective (helmet
> mounted camera) while riding in a major urban area is rather
> interesting.
Well, Sunday is a very dull day on Usenet, so I will go to your link and
report back to you on it. God help you if you have given me a bum steer. You
will never hear the end of it.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Aug 2006 00:22:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155340929.105586.268340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
> of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
> would be instructional.
>
> [1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
> [2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
I have an ironclad rule NEVER to go to a link anyone gives on Usenet. Why?
Because I don't trust anyone who is stupid enough to be on Usenet.
Besides, I already know everything there is to know worth knowing. I leave
learning to the young who are woefully ignorant of just about everything
under the sun. I am now beyond all learning since like God I have become
all-knowing. This is just another one of my many God-like attributes and why
I am so Great.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Aug 2006 19:56:17
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
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dlhii TOP POSTED:
> The term 'Deathwish' comes to mind while watching that.
>
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" wrote:
>
> >Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
> >of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
> >would be instructional.
> >
> >[1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
> >[2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
More bicycle safety videos at
<http://www.digave.com/videos/red-web.mpg >,
<http://www.digave.com/videos/bronx.mpg >,
<http://www.digave.com/videos/rally-kev.mpg >,
<http://www.digave.com/videos/monster.mpg > and last but not least
<http://www.digave.com/videos/b-web.mpg >.
--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!
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Date: 11 Aug 2006 21:07:38
From: dlhii
Subject: Re: Riding a bicycle in traffic
|
The term 'Deathwish' comes to mind while watching that.
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Since there seem to have been quite a few (cross)posts about the safety
>of riding a bicycle in traffic, I thought this video [1] on the topic
>would be instructional.
>
>[1] <http://www.digave.com/videos/sfx-web.mpg>.
>[2] And no, Ed Dolan, you will not get a virus by clicking on the link.
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