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Date: 26 Mar 2005 15:36:58
From: Mooch
Subject: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Hiya,
I know it seems like a really broad question. but what I mean is:
If I were to buy an EZ-1 or the EZ Lite, why can't I ride that for 8
blocks, 200 miles, or 2000 miles?
It seems to me, that I could "cover all my bets"with the EZ-1 and save
money in the process.
I absolutely don't get it. The fitness of the operator is the same,and
the bike (supposedly) would be in good condition.
I'm looking at the EZ-1 and the Sport EZ with the SRAM 5.0 components.
Suggestions anyone?
Thanks for helping me out.
Mooch
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 19:51:01
From: mike.a.schwab@gmail.com
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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I got the original cardboard shipping box for my EZ01 to fly my bicycle
in on American $80 each way. The Bike Friday company sells the Bike
Saturday which is a folding recumbent.
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Date: 29 Mar 2005 10:50:35
From:
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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GoHabsGo wrote:
>
> sorry noob here. What's a clwb?
>
Compact Long Wheelbase- a design popularized by Bikee and carried on by
the Sun EZ-1.
Jeff
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Date: 29 Mar 2005 09:28:10
From: Mark Crane
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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That is a totally inspiring story. I wish there was an easy way to fly
with my clwb so I could bring it to conferences. That would so rock.
Are there any affordable collapsible bents out there? That don't suck
or make creaky noises?
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Date: 29 Mar 2005 18:01:09
From: GoHabsGo
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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"k Crane" <Craniac@gmail.com > wrote in news:1112117290.265362.136610
@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> That is a totally inspiring story. I wish there was an easy way to fly
> with my clwb so I could bring it to conferences. That would so rock.
> Are there any affordable collapsible bents out there? That don't suck
> or make creaky noises?
sorry noob here. What's a clwb?
Thanks,
Larry
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Date: 27 Mar 2005 20:06:16
From: DougC
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Mooch wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> I know it seems like a really broad question. but what I mean is:
>
> If I were to buy an EZ-1 or the EZ Lite, why can't I ride that for 8
> blocks, 200 miles, or 2000 miles?
>
> It seems to me, that I could "cover all my bets"with the EZ-1 and save
> money in the process.
>
> I absolutely don't get it. The fitness of the operator is the same,and
> the bike (supposedly) would be in good condition.
>
> I'm looking at the EZ-1 and the Sport EZ with the SRAM 5.0 components.
>
> Suggestions anyone?
>
> Thanks for helping me out.
>
> Mooch
>
You can ride most any bent 2000 miles. For that matter, you can ride a
kid's BMX bike 2000 miles (allowing for some bearing changes enroute,
possibly) but the difference is in the way that different bikes handle.
The steering of SWB's is rather twitchy, where LWB's are very stable.
CLWB's are in the middle somewhere. Also--some bikes it's easy to put
racks on, others it's not. But what is true--typically, ANY recumbent
will be far more comfortable than any upright bike.
~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: 28 Mar 2005 16:18:39
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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On Sun, 27 2005 20:06:16 -0600, DougC <dcimper@norcom2000.com >
wrote in message <yCJ1e.18498$0v.4087@fe03.lga >:
>The steering of SWB's is rather twitchy, where LWB's are very stable.
Well, maybe. Actually I only notice this alleged twitchiness when
climbing hard, the rest of the time by SWB semi-low bike is admirably
stable, especially at speed. LWB bikes make great relaxed tourers,
though.
Guy
--
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Date: 29 Mar 2005 19:23:34
From: Bill Patterson
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>The steering of SWB's is rather twitchy, where LWB's are very stable.
>
>
> Well, maybe. Actually I only notice this alleged twitchiness when
> climbing hard, the rest of the time by SWB semi-low bike is admirably
> stable, especially at speed. LWB bikes make great relaxed tourers,
> though.
>
> Guy
We have built 300 or so bikes at the University. Properly designed swb
bikes are just as easy to ride as lwb bikes. My belief is that swb are
also easier to climb for us ultra low speed types. The only draw back of
the swb is that you don't have room for all the panniers that can be
carried on the lwb.
--
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See some Bikes At:
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http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/
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Date: 27 Mar 2005 13:05:24
From: mike.a.schwab@gmail.com
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Last Feburary, on a touring bicycle, I had pain for two days from an 18
mile ride. So, I bought an EZ-1SC in ch 2004 and by June I had done
3 rides over 60 miles, took it to Anaheim CA on vacation. I was
wanting to get the the Griffith observatory, it was 33 miles by
interstate, the bus was going to be 2 county, 4 buses, 50 miles, 5
hours. So I got up at 530 and got there about noon, 45 miles. Then I
saw La Brea Ta Pits was close so I rode there. Then I saw Santa Monica
Peir was close and rode there. Had supper and rode the beach trails
south, around ina Del Ray, back on the trails to Rolling Hills where
the trail ended, up onto the road and back east to Anaheim about 2 am,
125 miles.
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Date: 26 Mar 2005 19:47:52
From: L. Thomason
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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On longer rides even the smallest inefficiencies or design problems
will be magnified 1000x. A bikeE, however, is a great platform to hang
a lot of gear from for self-contained touring on the cheap.
I've seen EZ-1's, lightly used, for $300 on Ebay. My brother has one,
and in some ways I prefer it to my BikeE
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Date: 26 Mar 2005 20:58:12
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Mooch wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> I know it seems like a really broad question. but what I mean is:
>
> If I were to buy an EZ-1 or the EZ Lite, why can't I ride that for 8
> blocks, 200 miles, or 2000 miles?
>
> It seems to me, that I could "cover all my bets"with the EZ-1 and save
> money in the process.
>
> I absolutely don't get it. The fitness of the operator is the same,and
> the bike (supposedly) would be in good condition.
>
> I'm looking at the EZ-1 and the Sport EZ with the SRAM 5.0 components.
>
> Suggestions anyone?
>
> Thanks for helping me out.
The EZ-1 is a good value for the money, and a fun bike to ride. However,
the upright seating position creates a lot of aerodynamic drag compared
to a more reclined seating position, and will not be as comfortable for
some people on longer rides. On the positive side, the EZ-1 is easier to
start and stop and has better balance on poor surfaces than most higher
performance bikes. Think of it as the recumbent equivalent of an upright
hybrid or city bike.
--
Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
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Date: 26 Mar 2005 18:39:06
From:
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> While Jeff Wills' description of the EZ-1 and BikeE is a proper
> assessment, he unfairly impugns the ISO 305-mm/ISO 406-mm wheelset.
It
> is perfectly possible to make a fast, stable bicycle using these
wheel
> sizes that will be an excellent platform for long distance riding.
Heck,
> there are 40 to 50 bicycles [1] that meet this description.
>
> [1] Please note that this is 40 to 50 individual bicycles, not 40 to
50
> models.
Nag, nag, nag:
http://individual.utoronto.ca/nogami/bikes/roster/sunset/sunset.html
GO OUT AND RIDE A rans. :-)
Jeff
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Date: 26 Mar 2005 20:52:33
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Jeff Wills wrote:
> Nag, nag, nag:
> http://individual.utoronto.ca/nogami/bikes/roster/sunset/sunset.html
> GO OUT AND RIDE A rans. :-)
Hey, I rode Sunset No. 14 (when Ed Gin owned it). Nice bike except for
the Rabidfire (sic) shifters - I greatly prefer the SRAM twistshifters
on my Sunset.
--
Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
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Date: 26 Mar 2005 16:23:56
From:
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Mooch wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> I know it seems like a really broad question. but what I mean is:
>
> If I were to buy an EZ-1 or the EZ Lite, why can't I ride that for 8
> blocks, 200 miles, or 2000 miles?
>
I've talked to people who rode Bikee's across the U.S., so it can be
done...
That said, different requirements result in different designs. A CLWB
bike (like a Bikee or EZ-1) is designed for short trips, in town, where
more manuverability is desired. The smaller, fatter tires accelerate
more quickly, making stop-n-go more tolerable.
On the open road, a longer wheelbase, more stable geometry, and larger
wheels allows the bike to cruise all day at a steady pace with less
rider input. In other words, a Tour Easy will be less tiring to ride
the same distance than an EZ-1. Also, lower, more laid-back bikes have
less air drag, so you gain another notch there.
I've got 2 recumbents and 4 uprights in my garage. Each one has a task-
but I could ride any of them anywhere (although riding the fixie on
singletrack would be hair-raising).
Jeff
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Date: 26 Mar 2005 20:04:02
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: The 64K Q: What's the differences between 'bents?
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Jeff Wills wrote:
> Mooch wrote:
>
>>Hiya,
>>
>>I know it seems like a really broad question. but what I mean is:
>>
>>If I were to buy an EZ-1 or the EZ Lite, why can't I ride that for 8
>>blocks, 200 miles, or 2000 miles?
>>
>
>
> I've talked to people who rode Bikee's across the U.S., so it can be
> done...
>
> That said, different requirements result in different designs. A CLWB
> bike (like a Bikee or EZ-1) is designed for short trips, in town, where
> more manuverability is desired. The smaller, fatter tires accelerate
> more quickly, making stop-n-go more tolerable.
>
> On the open road, a longer wheelbase, more stable geometry, and larger
> wheels allows the bike to cruise all day at a steady pace with less
> rider input. In other words, a Tour Easy will be less tiring to ride
> the same distance than an EZ-1. Also, lower, more laid-back bikes have
> less air drag, so you gain another notch there....
While Jeff Wills' description of the EZ-1 and BikeE is a proper
assessment, he unfairly impugns the ISO 305-mm/ISO 406-mm wheelset. It
is perfectly possible to make a fast, stable bicycle using these wheel
sizes that will be an excellent platform for long distance riding. Heck,
there are 40 to 50 bicycles [1] that meet this description.
[1] Please note that this is 40 to 50 individual bicycles, not 40 to 50
models.
--
Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
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