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Date: 02 Feb 2005 16:34:12
From: Leif
Subject: The Battle of the Eds
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I don't know what's sadder: The idiot sock puppet posting his NoCom
blatherings, or watching him try to go toe to toe w/ Mr. Dolan. Hey Ed
(Gin), at least make it a little more interesting and come up w/ a
better retort than your childish and tiresomely limited "I know you are
but what am I" responses. You realize, don't you, that you're way
outta your league?
Wait a minute, such realization would require intelligence.
Never mind.
-Leif
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Date: 03 Feb 2005 11:50:21
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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It is assholes like me Ed Doaln that ruin recumbent newsgroups like A.R.B.R.
Hell I don't ride a bike I am too busy lynchin ethnicities at my keyboard.
A.R.B.R. makes it possible for assholes like me Ed Dolan to exist. I am not
going to waste my limited mental energy on a shit like bike talk. I will just do copy
and paste crap and spew race hatred. I will keep it nasty and repetitive and stupid
which is all that matters to me Ed Dolan.
Ed Dolan the Great White Bigot of A.R.B.R. - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Feb 2005 23:22:55
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@dui.com > wrote in message
news:4202645d$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> It is assholes like me Ed Doaln that ruin recumbent newsgroups like
> A.R.B.R.
> Hell I don't ride a bike I am too busy lynchin ethnicities at my keyboard.
> A.R.B.R. makes it possible for assholes like me Ed Dolan to exist. I am
> not
> going to waste my limited mental energy on a shit like bike talk. I will
> just do copy
> and paste crap and spew race hatred. I will keep it nasty and repetitive
> and stupid
> which is all that matters to me Ed Dolan.
>
> Ed Dolan the Great White Bigot of A.R.B.R. - Minnesota
Pure shit by Ed Gin
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Date: 03 Feb 2005 17:02:35
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On 2 Feb 2005 16:34:12 -0800, "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com > wrote in
message <1107390852.797979.281170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >:
>I don't know what's sadder: The idiot sock puppet posting his NoCom
>blatherings, or watching him try to go toe to toe w/ Mr. Dolan.
Hmmm. Both obsessive personalities, both looking to take over the
entire newsgroup, both immune to reason and reality - has anyone ever
seen the two of them in the same room?
Guy
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Date: 05 Feb 2005 23:18:01
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:m7m401l3451e1edhngfd213iq6ks806j2c@4ax.com...
> On 2 Feb 2005 16:34:12 -0800, "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com> wrote in
> message <1107390852.797979.281170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>I don't know what's sadder: The idiot sock puppet posting his NoCom
>>blatherings, or watching him try to go toe to toe w/ Mr. Dolan.
>
> Hmmm. Both obsessive personalities, both looking to take over the
> entire newsgroup, both immune to reason and reality - has anyone ever
> seen the two of them in the same room?
My God! I don't give a damn about this group. Not anymore, not since Ed Gin
can come on here and does whatever he wants with nary a protest from the
rest of you. ARBR is fucked and in fact all of Usenet is fucked. Moderated
forums are the only way to go where assholes like Ed Gin can be excluded
with his forged names and his automated trolling posts. But Guy Chapman is
an idiot himself for not recognizing the difference between myself and Ed
Gin. But that is all newsgroups for you - full of idiots and assholes.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 06 Feb 2005 14:20:44
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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I know that I alone Ed Dolan started ARBR on it's downward spiral
and for people to come around now and say Ed Dolan is ruining the place, well
it shows that some people really are honest.
Regards,
Ed Dolan and all his meds - Minn
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Date: 08 Feb 2005 15:26:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@DUI.com > wrote in message
news:42067c1c_2@127.0.0.1...
> I know that I alone Ed Dolan started ARBR on it's downward spiral
> and for people to come around now and say Ed Dolan is ruining the place,
> well
> it shows that some people really are honest.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Dolan and all his meds - Minn
>
>
More Ed Gin shit.
Fucking Adios!
Newsgroups are for idiots!
I'm outa here. Newsgroups are for idiots. I can count on the fingers of
one hand those of you who are intelligent. Skip always displays good
solid thinking with a sharp wit thrown in for good measure. Scott
(Freewheeling) is an intellectual and a good writer. Jim McNaa has
also proven to me that he is both intelligent and right on all the present
issues. The rest of you are idiots. I leave the lot of you to the likes of
Ed Gin, Tom Sherman, Jon Meinecke, Slugger, Disco Duck, k
Leuck, Peter Clinch, Guy Chapman, Perry Butler, etc.
I have yet to see a newsgroup that was not being ruined by idiots. If
you hang out in a newsgroup, you should have your head examined. It
is nothing but a waste of time and a form of insanity. I don't give a shit
about any of you (a few exceptions) and why I ever wasted a single
second on any of you is beyond belief. I must have been crazy.
Anyone with any brains who has something to say should be on a
moderated forum where assholes and shit heads (like Ed Gin) can be
excluded. That is all newsgroups are full of. It is only dumbbells,
cowards and crazies who do not want their messages to pass the
scrutiny of an editor. I leave you to yourselves. You are all a bunch of
crazy bastards who deserve one another. May you all fuck one
another until kingdom come.
<Plonk > to the lot of you.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 06 Feb 2005 10:25:15
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:18:01 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <ArOdndK_H5oBNZjfRVn-qA@prairiewave.com >:
>My God! I don't give a damn about this group. Not anymore, not since Ed Gin
>can come on here and does whatever he wants with nary a protest from the
>rest of you.
Plenty of protesting going on, but if you don't know how to use a
killfile by now it's time you learned. And at least you are finally
finding out how the rest of us view your constant "get the retaliation
in first" political OT crap.
Guy
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Date: 08 Feb 2005 15:30:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:r1sb01h2abtq289e42lkr0v46upjusl23k@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:18:01 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <ArOdndK_H5oBNZjfRVn-qA@prairiewave.com>:
>
>>My God! I don't give a damn about this group. Not anymore, not since Ed
>>Gin
>>can come on here and does whatever he wants with nary a protest from the
>>rest of you.
>
> Plenty of protesting going on, but if you don't know how to use a
> killfile by now it's time you learned. And at least you are finally
> finding out how the rest of us view your constant "get the retaliation
> in first" political OT crap.
>
> Guy
Guy Chapman - an asshole to the end! He can't tell the differnce between me
and Ed Gin. I think that just about says it all.
Newsgroups are for idiots!
I'm outa here. Newsgroups are for idiots. I can count on the fingers of
one hand those of you who are intelligent. Skip always displays good
solid thinking with a sharp wit thrown in for good measure. Scott
(Freewheeling) is an intellectual and a good writer. Jim McNaa has
also proven to me that he is both intelligent and right on all the present
issues. The rest of you are idiots. I leave the lot of you to the likes of
Ed Gin, Tom Sherman, Jon Meinecke, Slugger, Disco Duck, k
Leuck, Peter Clinch, Guy Chapman, Perry Butler, etc.
I have yet to see a newsgroup that was not being ruined by idiots. If
you hang out in a newsgroup, you should have your head examined. It
is nothing but a waste of time and a form of insanity. I don't give a shit
about any of you (a few exceptions) and why I ever wasted a single
second on any of you is beyond belief. I must have been crazy.
Anyone with any brains who has something to say should be on a
moderated forum where assholes and shit heads (like Ed Gin) can be
excluded. That is all newsgroups are full of. It is only dumbbells,
cowards and crazies who do not want their messages to pass the
scrutiny of an editor. I leave you to yourselves. You are all a bunch of
crazy bastards who deserve one another. May you all fuck one
another until kingdom come.
<Plonk > to the lot of you.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 22:44:35
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:30:59 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <mKidncolSqwJspTfRVn-1Q@prairiewave.com >:
>> Plenty of protesting going on, but if you don't know how to use a
>> killfile by now it's time you learned. And at least you are finally
>> finding out how the rest of us view your constant "get the retaliation
>> in first" political OT crap.
>Guy Chapman - an asshole to the end! He can't tell the differnce between me
>and Ed Gin. I think that just about says it all.
Wrong as always. I can tell the difference fine. Your inability to
spot the similarities may be more of an issue...
Guy
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 17:29:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:pg4l01lkp5e0d9r7k1i63o8074jlemi@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:30:59 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <mKidncolSqwJspTfRVn-1Q@prairiewave.com>:
>
>>> Plenty of protesting going on, but if you don't know how to use a
>>> killfile by now it's time you learned. And at least you are finally
>>> finding out how the rest of us view your constant "get the retaliation
>>> in first" political OT crap.
>
>>Guy Chapman - an asshole to the end! He can't tell the differnce between
>>me
>>and Ed Gin. I think that just about says it all.
>
> Wrong as always. I can tell the difference fine. Your inability to
> spot the similarities may be more of an issue...
>
> Guy
Guy, I am merely contentious and I love to argue. I read what others write
and I answer appropriately. Ed Gin is a parrot who spews nothing but garbage
and nonsense. But worse than that, he is a criminal who steals other's
identities. He hides behind sock puppets. He is reprehensible in every sense
of the word. I do not see any similarities at all between myself and Ed Gin.
By the way, you and Tom Sherman and everyone else here on ARBR are OK with
me as all of you have been honest and above board no matter our
disagreements. You can see what precious qualities these are when you find
them lacking in a scoundrel like Ed Gin.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 09:16:12
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:29:20 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <466dnevU39tOAZffRVn-hA@prairiewave.com >:
>Guy, I am merely contentious and I love to argue. I read what others write
>and I answer appropriately. Ed Gin is a parrot who spews nothing but garbage
>and nonsense. But worse than that, he is a criminal who steals other's
>identities. He hides behind sock puppets. He is reprehensible in every sense
>of the word. I do not see any similarities at all between myself and Ed Gin.
And how many people have left the group because of the OT political
"get the retaliation in first" stuff you post? In the end it's the
effect, not the style, which matters: does someone's contribution make
the group better or worse. Admittedly with you it goes in phases -
sometimes you are responsible for up to half the posts in the group,
and almost none of them are on topic, while at other times the group
can go up to a couple of days (hah!) without a single off-topic post.
When you get bad I use Agent's "k read" filter with a 30-day
expiry, that
>By the way, you and Tom Sherman and everyone else here on ARBR are OK with
>me as all of you have been honest and above board no matter our
>disagreements. You can see what precious qualities these are when you find
>them lacking in a scoundrel like Ed Gin.
But he is, in the end, a drive-by poster. He will vanish again in
short order, as usual.
Guy
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 04:05:14
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:1l8m0114oah13c32lokrljqste4vhhbedl@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:29:20 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <466dnevU39tOAZffRVn-hA@prairiewave.com>:
>
>>Guy, I am merely contentious and I love to argue. I read what others write
>>and I answer appropriately. Ed Gin is a parrot who spews nothing but
>>garbage
>>and nonsense. But worse than that, he is a criminal who steals other's
>>identities. He hides behind sock puppets. He is reprehensible in every
>>sense
>>of the word. I do not see any similarities at all between myself and Ed
>>Gin.
>
> And how many people have left the group because of the OT political
> "get the retaliation in first" stuff you post? In the end it's the
> effect, not the style, which matters: does someone's contribution make
> the group better or worse. Admittedly with you it goes in phases -
> sometimes you are responsible for up to half the posts in the group,
> and almost none of them are on topic, while at other times the group
> can go up to a couple of days (hah!) without a single off-topic post.
> When you get bad I use Agent's "k read" filter with a 30-day
> expiry, that
Does anyone here know what this idiot is talking about?
Whether the posts are on topic or off topic does not matter. If others are
responding, that is all that matters. If you only knew how deadly dull your
on topic posting is you would get off topic more like me.
>>By the way, you and Tom Sherman and everyone else here on ARBR are OK with
>>me as all of you have been honest and above board no matter our
>>disagreements. You can see what precious qualities these are when you find
>>them lacking in a scoundrel like Ed Gin.
>
> But he is, in the end, a drive-by poster. He will vanish again in
> short order, as usual.
That is not for sure Guy. You need to resolve on how to deal with assholes
like Ed Gin if they don't go away. Jim McNaa and I fight assholes like Ed
Gin. Your position regarding obnoxious posters (they will go away if we
ignore them) is cowardly and doomed to failure in the event they don't go
away. No, it is better to fight them tooth and nail even if it takes down
the newsgroup. I have always despised cowards. Armageddon is better than
compromise with evil.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 22:17:21
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:05:14 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <hISdnQfXpuVDrJbfRVn-sQ@prairiewave.com >:
>Does anyone here know what this idiot is talking about?
A curiously anachronistic turn of phrase you have there, Ed - but no,
in the main, we don't know what you are talking about, and even when
we do we'd very often rather you weren't.
And thinking about it, you seem to be posting an awful lot for someone
who's left the group...
Guy
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 17:17:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:09nn01pbp169476h8246hbvck684qbu2ou@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:05:14 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <hISdnQfXpuVDrJbfRVn-sQ@prairiewave.com>:
>
>>Does anyone here know what this idiot is talking about?
>
> A curiously anachronistic turn of phrase you have there, Ed - but no,
> in the main, we don't know what you are talking about, and even when
> we do we'd very often rather you weren't.
>
> And thinking about it, you seem to be posting an awful lot for someone
> who's left the group...
This will probably turn out to be the longest goodbye in Usenet history. I
am determined to leave as there are just not enough intelligent folks here
for me. Those that are half way intelligent turn out to be cowards when it
comes to a criminal type like Ed Gin. Cowards and idiots! That is what ARBR
is full of. At least you summoned up enough guts to call Ed Gin an ass
(arse).
But I do not like to leave with loose ends dangling. Once I have tied up the
loose ends, I assure you I will be gone from here never to return.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 23:49:47
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:17:51 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <NL-dnZ5tnI85dpbfRVn-rA@prairiewave.com >:
>This will probably turn out to be the longest goodbye in Usenet history.
In other words it was bullshit. I thought as much.
Guy
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 18:06:18
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:pnsn01d0robj43sau8v0u3ji4og9abbflf@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:17:51 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <NL-dnZ5tnI85dpbfRVn-rA@prairiewave.com>:
>
>>This will probably turn out to be the longest goodbye in Usenet history.
>
> In other words it was bullshit. I thought as much.
No, it will merely be the longest goodbye in Usenet history.
Have you never heard of opera stars who give dozens of farewell concerts?
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 00:31:26
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:06:18 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <tZSdnfZHkYRia5bfRVn-vg@prairiewave.com >:
>>>This will probably turn out to be the longest goodbye in Usenet history.
>> In other words it was bullshit. I thought as much.
>No, it will merely be the longest goodbye in Usenet history.
See previous reply.
Guy
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 04:32:26
From: Arne
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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I don't visit here as often as I used to.. Too much shaff, not enough wheat.
But, though I don't know Ed Gin personally, I have a lot of respect for what
he has accomplished with recumbents. I have visited different web sites and
found his projects very interesting..... I actually bought a sheet of
coroplast to build a tailbox..... but, alas, it sits unused... while I ride.
Arne, USA
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 08:46:29
From: Al Luminium
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Arne" <arnereil@cox.net > wrote in message
news:QXFOd.83956$Tf5.69567@lakeread03...
>I don't visit here as often as I used to.. Too much shaff, not enough
>wheat.
>
> But, though I don't know Ed Gin personally, I have a lot of respect for
> what he has accomplished with recumbents. I have visited different web
> sites and found his projects very interesting..... I actually bought a
> sheet of coroplast to build a tailbox..... but, alas, it sits unused...
> while I ride.
>
> Arne, USA
>
>
>
I've met Ed on several ocassions and Arne pretty much sums up my perceptions
too.BTW Guy, Ed wears a helmet but he rides pretty damned fast. FWIW,
because you continue your battle of half wits with the Great Dolan, I think
you're the arse.
Al
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 18:31:09
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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Al Luminium wrote:
> "Arne" <arnereil@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:QXFOd.83956$Tf5.69567@lakeread03...
>
>>I don't visit here as often as I used to.. Too much shaff, not enough
>>wheat.
>>
>>But, though I don't know Ed Gin personally, I have a lot of respect for
>>what he has accomplished with recumbents. I have visited different web
>>sites and found his projects very interesting..... I actually bought a
>>sheet of coroplast to build a tailbox..... but, alas, it sits unused...
>>while I ride.
>>
>>Arne, USA
>>
>>
>>
>
> I've met Ed on several ocassions and Arne pretty much sums up my perceptions
> too.BTW Guy, Ed wears a helmet but he rides pretty damned fast. FWIW,
> because you continue your battle of half wits with the Great Dolan, I think
> you're the arse.
Ed Gin needs to figure out that rest stops on invitational rides are for
EATING. ;)
--
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 16:22:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Al Luminium" <al@johnnynocom.com > wrote in message
news:420b74e4$1_1@127.0.0.1...
>
> "Arne" <arnereil@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:QXFOd.83956$Tf5.69567@lakeread03...
>>I don't visit here as often as I used to.. Too much shaff, not enough
>>wheat.
>>
>> But, though I don't know Ed Gin personally, I have a lot of respect for
>> what he has accomplished with recumbents. I have visited different web
>> sites and found his projects very interesting..... I actually bought a
>> sheet of coroplast to build a tailbox..... but, alas, it sits unused...
>> while I ride.
>>
>> Arne, USA
>>
>>
>>
> I've met Ed on several ocassions and Arne pretty much sums up my
> perceptions too.BTW Guy, Ed wears a helmet but he rides pretty damned
> fast. FWIW, because you continue your battle of half wits with the Great
> Dolan, I think you're the arse.
> Al
Al is another one of those Monkey Island Shit Heads. Enuf said!
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 03:18:04
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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Al Luminium Wrote:
> "Arne" <arnereil@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:QXFOd.83956$Tf5.69567@lakeread03...
> >I don't visit here as often as I used to.. Too much shaff, not enough
> >wheat.
> >
> > But, though I don't know Ed Gin personally, I have a lot of respec
> for
> > what he has accomplished with recumbents. I have visited differen
> web
> > sites and found his projects very interesting..... I actually bough
> a
> > sheet of coroplast to build a tailbox..... but, alas, it sit
> unused...
> > while I ride.
> >
> > Arne, USA
> >
> >
> >
> I've met Ed on several ocassions and Arne pretty much sums up m
> perceptions
> too.BTW Guy, Ed wears a helmet but he rides pretty damned fast. FWIW,
> because you continue your battle of half wits with the Great Dolan,
> think
> you're the arse.
> Al
>
>
>
>
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What a stupid post this is.What a person does on the net does not hav
anything to do with what he does on the street.Are you saying becaus
this Gin fellow wears a helmut and rides fast he should be allowed t
step on the freedoms of other people?You and Arne are the Arses
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 19:12:49
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"nget" <nget.1k8xqn@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
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> Al Luminium Wrote:
>> "Arne" <arnereil@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:QXFOd.83956$Tf5.69567@lakeread03...
>> >I don't visit here as often as I used to.. Too much shaff, not enough
>> >wheat.
>> >
>> > But, though I don't know Ed Gin personally, I have a lot of respect
>> for
>> > what he has accomplished with recumbents. I have visited different
>> web
>> > sites and found his projects very interesting..... I actually bought
>> a
>> > sheet of coroplast to build a tailbox..... but, alas, it sits
>> unused...
>> > while I ride.
>> >
>> > Arne, USA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> I've met Ed on several ocassions and Arne pretty much sums up my
>> perceptions
>> too.BTW Guy, Ed wears a helmet but he rides pretty damned fast. FWIW,
>> because you continue your battle of half wits with the Great Dolan, I
>> think
>> you're the arse.
>> Al
>
> What a stupid post this is. What a person does on the net does not have
> anything to do with what he does on the street. Are you saying because
> this Gin fellow wears a helmut and rides fast he should be allowed to
> step on the freedoms of other people? You and Arne are the Arses.
Nget, you have put your finger on what is wrong with most of society today.
Expertise will substitute for morality every time these days. It is about a
thousands times more important that a person be moral than that he know
anything, let alone some cycling crap. Ed Gin is nothing short of a
criminal. Anyone who cannot determine that from his posts is an idiot, but
still I prefer moral idiots to intelligent criminals. Tom "Holier than Thou"
Sherman in the last analysis will bail out on the morality issue when push
comes to shove. Never, never trust a coward!
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 04:14:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Arne" <arnereil@cox.net > wrote in message
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>I don't visit here as often as I used to.. Too much shaff, not enough
>wheat.
>
> But, though I don't know Ed Gin personally, I have a lot of respect for
> what he has accomplished with recumbents. I have visited different web
> sites and found his projects very interesting..... I actually bought a
> sheet of coroplast to build a tailbox..... but, alas, it sits unused...
> while I ride.
>
> Arne, USA
Ed Gin is a criminal if we can judge him by his posts to this newsgroup. You
would be well advised to keep your distance from him. Just because someone
can tinker with bikes does not make him respectable. What makes a person
respectable is how he treats others. Ed Gin is contemptible on all counts.
Read his posts to this group if you think otherwise (Johnny NoCom shit and
other false names too numerous to keep track of).
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 03 Feb 2005 17:38:24
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
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> On 2 Feb 2005 16:34:12 -0800, "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com> wrote in
> message <1107390852.797979.281170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >I don't know what's sadder: The idiot sock puppet posting his NoCom
> >blatherings, or watching him try to go toe to toe w/ Mr. Dolan.
>
> Hmmm. Both obsessive personalities, both looking to take over the
> entire newsgroup, both immune to reason and reality - has anyone ever
> seen the two of them in the same room?
>
> Guy
Johnny could be an alter-ego of Ed, has anyone thought of that?
Figure it this way, Ed talks about everything BUT riding and claims to have
dozens of bikes laying around the house when we can pretty much assume he
doesn't. Johnny talks ONLY about bike(s) and seems to have just the one
Ed's bi-polar if you ask me :)
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Date: 07 Feb 2005 03:54:44
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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Figure it this way, Ed talks about everything BUT riding and claims t
have
dozens of bikes laying around the house when we can pretty much assum
he
doesn't. Johnny talks ONLY about bike(s) and seems to have just th
one
Ed's bi-polar if you ask me :)
I pretty much assume that Ed Dolan has both bikes and trikes.I see n
reason to doubt that it is otherwise.Johnny on the other hand is stil
living in his parents basement and I doubt if he has the nocom.All johnn
needs to do is get a job
--
nget
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Date: 06 Feb 2005 12:08:37
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"nget" <nget.1k1k9y@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
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>
> Figure it this way, Ed talks about everything BUT riding and claims to
> have
> dozens of bikes laying around the house when we can pretty much assume
> he
> doesn't. Johnny talks ONLY about bike(s) and seems to have just the
> one
>
> Ed's bi-polar if you ask me :)
> I pretty much assume that Ed Dolan has both bikes and trikes.I see no
> reason to doubt that it is otherwise.Johnny on the other hand is still
> living in his parents basement and I doubt if he has the nocom.All johnny
> needs to do is get a job.
>
>
> --
> nget
I certainly could be wrong on this but I see plenty of reasons why Ed
doesn't have either bikes or trikes although that may not be obvious to
others here.
To name a few of them
1. 99% of Ed's conversation has nothing to do with bikes or riding, you
can't say that about anyone else here
2. Ed has only talked about riding once as long as I've been here (and
claimed riding at 3mph, you try that sometime), in the rare event he
mentions bikes his conversation is usually too absurd to believe
3. Ed claims to have a dozen bikes laying around the house yet can't say
what they are or exactly how many he has although somehow he can claim they
all have terrible steering geometry
4. No conversation of links of rides, pictures, events, brand of tires he
uses/used etc
Now others may disagree and I'm sure Ed will now make up much of the
information I just posted here that he's never talked about before but it is
my belief he doesn't own and never has owned a recumbent, my guess is he's
seen a couple around town and thought they were interesting and he's come
here much like someone might see Britney Spears on TV and then check out
websites devoted to her
I also don't think Johnny lives in his parents basement only because I doubt
they would put up with him :)
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Date: 08 Feb 2005 15:13:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message
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>
> "nget" <nget.1k1k9y@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:nget.1k1k9y@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
>>
>> Figure it this way, Ed talks about everything BUT riding and claims to
>> have
>> dozens of bikes laying around the house when we can pretty much assume
>> he
>> doesn't. Johnny talks ONLY about bike(s) and seems to have just the
>> one
>>
>> Ed's bi-polar if you ask me :)
>> I pretty much assume that Ed Dolan has both bikes and trikes.I see no
>> reason to doubt that it is otherwise.Johnny on the other hand is still
>> living in his parents basement and I doubt if he has the nocom.All johnny
>> needs to do is get a job.
>>
>>
>> --
>> nget
>
> I certainly could be wrong on this but I see plenty of reasons why Ed
> doesn't have either bikes or trikes although that may not be obvious to
> others here.
>
> To name a few of them
>
> 1. 99% of Ed's conversation has nothing to do with bikes or riding, you
> can't say that about anyone else here
>
> 2. Ed has only talked about riding once as long as I've been here (and
> claimed riding at 3mph, you try that sometime), in the rare event he
> mentions bikes his conversation is usually too absurd to believe
>
> 3. Ed claims to have a dozen bikes laying around the house yet can't say
> what they are or exactly how many he has although somehow he can claim
> they
> all have terrible steering geometry
>
> 4. No conversation of links of rides, pictures, events, brand of tires he
> uses/used etc
>
> Now others may disagree and I'm sure Ed will now make up much of the
> information I just posted here that he's never talked about before but it
> is
> my belief he doesn't own and never has owned a recumbent, my guess is he's
> seen a couple around town and thought they were interesting and he's come
> here much like someone might see Britney Spears on TV and then check out
> websites devoted to her
>
> I also don't think Johnny lives in his parents basement only because I
> doubt
> they would put up with him :)
Newsgroups are for idiots!
I'm outa here. Newsgroups are for idiots. I can count on the fingers of
one hand those of you who are intelligent. Skip always displays good
solid thinking with a sharp wit thrown in for good measure. Scott
(Freewheeling) is an intellectual and a good writer. Jim McNaa has
also proven to me that he is both intelligent and right on all the present
issues. The rest of you are idiots. I leave the lot of you to the likes of
Ed Gin, Tom Sherman, Jon Meinecke, Slugger, Disco Duck, k
Leuck, Peter Clinch, Guy Chapman, Perry Butler, etc.
I have yet to see a newsgroup that was not being ruined by idiots. If
you hang out in a newsgroup, you should have your head examined. It
is nothing but a waste of time and a form of insanity. I don't give a shit
about any of you (a few exceptions) and why I ever wasted a single
second on any of you is beyond belief. I must have been crazy.
Anyone with any brains who has something to say should be on a
moderated forum where assholes and shit heads (like Ed Gin) can be
excluded. That is all newsgroups are full of. It is only dumbbells,
cowards and crazies who do not want their messages to pass the
scrutiny of an editor. I leave you to yourselves. You are all a bunch of
crazy bastards who deserve one another. May you all fuck one
another until kingdom come.
<Plonk > to the lot of you.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 06 Feb 2005 19:35:35
From:
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On 6-Feb-2005, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote:
> I certainly could be wrong on this but I see plenty of reasons why Ed
> doesn't have either bikes or trikes although that may not be obvious to
> others here.
In defense of Ed I think you are wrong.
From my observation Ed tells it as he sees its. Very little subtly, very
little shading, no mincing of words, no apparent hidden agendas - what you
get is unvarnished Ed Dolan. Why would he lie about owning bicycles? It's
not his style.
>
> To name a few of them
>
> 1. 99% of Ed's conversation has nothing to do with bikes or riding, you
> can't say that about anyone else here
I think writing about riding a bicycle would be to bland for Ed's mind. I
can't see Ed going into great detail explaining to some newbie how to repair
a flat. That's not what Ed wants to do or write about.
>
> 2. Ed has only talked about riding once as long as I've been here (and
> claimed riding at 3mph, you try that sometime), in the rare event he
> mentions bikes his conversation is usually too absurd to believe
Riding at 3 mph isn't absurd. I rode up a mountain at 2 mph on my Ryan. I
can do it. Ed owns trikes - It's real easy to ride them at 3 mph.
>
> 3. Ed claims to have a dozen bikes laying around the house yet can't say
> what they are or exactly how many he has although somehow he can claim
> they
> all have terrible steering geometry
I've got a barn that hasn't been used for farming or livestock for years.
It has come to store my stuff - an old corvette, a vintage truck, a bunch of
kayaks and canoes, skis, motorcycles(all gone now), and more bicycles than I
can remember. I can relate.
>
> 4. No conversation of links of rides, pictures, events, brand of tires he
> uses/used etc
Ed has mentioned plenty of organized rides he has been on. At age 70 he may
not be doing them now, but he has been there and done that in my estimation.
I think he leaves writing about bicycle tires to Tom Sherman who is into
it.
>
> Now others may disagree and I'm sure Ed will now make up much of the
> information I just posted here that he's never talked about before but it
> is
> my belief he doesn't own and never has owned a recumbent, my guess is he's
> seen a couple around town and thought they were interesting and he's come
> here much like someone might see Britney Spears on TV and then check out
> websites devoted to her
Ed said he owns a couple of recumbents that I would guess hardly anyone has
ever heard of (Tom Sherman & John Riley surely have) - for example, a Kowal
and a Coos Bay Flyer. I happen to know about them - about 15 to 20 years
ago they were a mere blip on the recumbent radar screen. You won't find
websites dedicated to these machines.
k I think the Barbara Boxer in you is trying to get out.
skip
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Date: 08 Feb 2005 15:20:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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<skip@qualitybikes.com > wrote in message
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>
> On 6-Feb-2005, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I certainly could be wrong on this but I see plenty of reasons why Ed
>> doesn't have either bikes or trikes although that may not be obvious to
>> others here.
>
>
> In defense of Ed I think you are wrong.
>
> From my observation Ed tells it as he sees its. Very little subtly, very
> little shading, no mincing of words, no apparent hidden agendas - what you
> get is unvarnished Ed Dolan. Why would he lie about owning bicycles?
> It's
> not his style.
Right you are Skip, but you are one of the few intelligent souls here on
ARBR. Sorry, but you are not enough reason for me to stay. I am moving on
now to other adventures.
Best Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 06 Feb 2005 17:41:57
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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skip@qualitybikes.com wrote:
> ...
> I've got a barn that hasn't been used for farming or livestock for years.
> It has come to store my stuff - an old corvette....
How did you get a small naval ship in your barn?
--
Tom Sherman - Earth
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Date: 07 Feb 2005 00:44:29
From:
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On 6-Feb-2005, Tom Sherman <tsherman@qconline.com > wrote:
> > ...
> > I've got a barn that hasn't been used for farming or livestock for
> > years.
> > It has come to store my stuff - an old corvette....
>
> How did you get a small naval ship in your barn?
Big barn.
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Date: 06 Feb 2005 14:42:18
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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<skip@qualitybikes.com > wrote in message
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>
> On 6-Feb-2005, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I certainly could be wrong on this but I see plenty of reasons why Ed
> > doesn't have either bikes or trikes although that may not be obvious to
> > others here.
>
>
> In defense of Ed I think you are wrong.
>
> From my observation Ed tells it as he sees its. Very little subtly, very
> little shading, no mincing of words, no apparent hidden agendas - what you
> get is unvarnished Ed Dolan. Why would he lie about owning bicycles?
It's
> not his style.
I doubt we ever get the real Ed, in my opinion he flame posts here just to
get a reaction, if he doesn't get the reaction he wants he'll flame a little
deeper, that is his agenda and it has nothing to do with recumbents
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Date: 08 Feb 2005 15:24:40
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message
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>
> <skip@qualitybikes.com> wrote in message
> news:y9idnVXrpYf-7JvfRVn-qQ@giganews.com...
>>
>> On 6-Feb-2005, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I certainly could be wrong on this but I see plenty of reasons why Ed
>> > doesn't have either bikes or trikes although that may not be obvious to
>> > others here.
>>
>>
>> In defense of Ed I think you are wrong.
>>
>> From my observation Ed tells it as he sees its. Very little subtly, very
>> little shading, no mincing of words, no apparent hidden agendas - what
>> you
>> get is unvarnished Ed Dolan. Why would he lie about owning bicycles?
> It's
>> not his style.
>
> I doubt we ever get the real Ed, in my opinion he flame posts here just to
> get a reaction, if he doesn't get the reaction he wants he'll flame a
> little
> deeper, that is his agenda and it has nothing to do with recumbents
Anyone who can't see the difference between me and Ed Gin is just too stupid
for words. I can't be bothered anymore by idiots like Leuck who does not
even know how to punctuate a sentence.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 07 Feb 2005 01:39:56
From:
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On 6-Feb-2005, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote:
> I doubt we ever get the real Ed, in my opinion he flame posts here just to
> get a reaction, if he doesn't get the reaction he wants he'll flame a
> little
> deeper, that is his agenda and it has nothing to do with recumbents
As I said I don't believe Ed has a hidden agenda. Given that you see his
agenda as having nothing to do with recumbents, why would he bother to tell
lies about the recumbents he owns or doesn't own. It clearly wouldn't be
relevant to the agenda you attribute to him.
And why would he even want to bother with that kind of distraction? It's
not his manner.
I don't see evidence of lying or motive for lying. And I don't see the
relevance of your argument.
skip
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Date: 07 Feb 2005 08:48:52
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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k Leuck Wrote:
> <skip@qualitybikes.com> wrote in message
> news:y9idnVXrpYf-7JvfRVn-qQ@giganews.com...
> >
> > On 6-Feb-2005, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I certainly could be wrong on this but I see plenty of reasons wh
> Ed
> > > doesn't have either bikes or trikes although that may not b
> obvious to
> > > others here.
> >
> >
> > In defense of Ed I think you are wrong.
> >
> > From my observation Ed tells it as he sees its. Very little subtly
> very
> > little shading, no mincing of words, no apparent hidden agendas
> what you
> > get is unvarnished Ed Dolan. Why would he lie about ownin
> bicycles?
> It's
> > not his style.
>
> I doubt we ever get the real Ed, in my opinion he flame posts here jus
> to
> get a reaction, if he doesn't get the reaction he wants he'll flame
> little
> deeper, that is his agenda and it has nothing to do with recumbents
"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe
--
nget
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Date: 06 Feb 2005 14:37:54
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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<skip@qualitybikes.com > wrote in message
news:y9idnVXrpYf-7JvfRVn-qQ@giganews.com...
> >
> > Now others may disagree and I'm sure Ed will now make up much of the
> > information I just posted here that he's never talked about before but
it
> > is
> > my belief he doesn't own and never has owned a recumbent, my guess is
he's
> > seen a couple around town and thought they were interesting and he's
come
> > here much like someone might see Britney Spears on TV and then check out
> > websites devoted to her
>
>
> Ed said he owns a couple of recumbents that I would guess hardly anyone
has
> ever heard of (Tom Sherman & John Riley surely have) - for example, a
Kowal
> and a Coos Bay Flyer.
Ed also said he has a dozen recumbents laying around the house but can't say
exactly how many or what the brand and models are, Ed says he has a lot of
things
> I happen to know about them - about 15 to 20 years
> ago they were a mere blip on the recumbent radar screen. You won't find
> websites dedicated to these machines.
I'm sure you have, I also doubt Ed has ever owned them or seen them
Again this is all my opinion
> k I think the Barbara Boxer in you is trying to get out.
Ouch! you don't know how much of an insult that was :)
>
> skip
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Date: 07 Feb 2005 01:08:24
From:
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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On 6-Feb-2005, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote:
> > k I think the Barbara Boxer in you is trying to get out.
>
> Ouch! you don't know how much of an insult that was :)
This was a horrible thing for me to say to you or anyone else. No one
deserves that. I deeply regret the words and wish I could take them back.
So sorry.
skip
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Date: 07 Feb 2005 06:06:30
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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k Leuck Wrote:
> "nget" <nget.1k1k9y@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:nget.1k1k9y@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
> >
> > Figure it this way, Ed talks about everything BUT riding and claim
> to
> > have
> > dozens of bikes laying around the house when we can pretty muc
> assume
> > he
> > doesn't. Johnny talks ONLY about bike(s) and seems to have just the
> > one
> >
> > Ed's bi-polar if you ask me :)
> > I pretty much assume that Ed Dolan has both bikes and trikes.I se
> no
> > reason to doubt that it is otherwise.Johnny on the other hand i
> still
> > living in his parents basement and I doubt if he has the nocom.Al
> johnny
> > needs to do is get a job.
> >
> >
> > --
> > nget
>
> I certainly could be wrong on this but I see plenty of reasons why Ed
> doesn't have either bikes or trikes although that may not be obviou
> to
> others here.
>
> To name a few of them
>
> 1. 99% of Ed's conversation has nothing to do with bikes or riding
> you
> can't say that about anyone else here
>
> 2. Ed has only talked about riding once as long as I've been here (and
> claimed riding at 3mph, you try that sometime), in the rare event he
> mentions bikes his conversation is usually too absurd to believe
>
> 3. Ed claims to have a dozen bikes laying around the house yet can'
> say
> what they are or exactly how many he has although somehow he can clai
> they
> all have terrible steering geometry
>
> 4. No conversation of links of rides, pictures, events, brand of tire
> he
> uses/used etc
>
> Now others may disagree and I'm sure Ed will now make up much of the
> information I just posted here that he's never talked about before bu
> it is
> my belief he doesn't own and never has owned a recumbent, my guess i
> he's
> seen a couple around town and thought they were interesting and he'
> come
> here much like someone might see Britney Spears on TV and then chec
> out
> websites devoted to her
>
> I also don't think Johnny lives in his parents basement only because
> doubt
> they would put up with him :)
Iirc Ed Dolan has a delta trike called a comfort cycle and a homemad
tour easy.He also has 4 cats.You are probably right about johhny and h
rides a df too.A df on a df,thats johnny
--
nget
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Date: 05 Feb 2005 23:22:15
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
> news:m7m401l3451e1edhngfd213iq6ks806j2c@4ax.com...
>> On 2 Feb 2005 16:34:12 -0800, "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com> wrote in
>> message <1107390852.797979.281170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> >I don't know what's sadder: The idiot sock puppet posting his NoCom
>> >blatherings, or watching him try to go toe to toe w/ Mr. Dolan.
>>
>> Hmmm. Both obsessive personalities, both looking to take over the
>> entire newsgroup, both immune to reason and reality - has anyone ever
>> seen the two of them in the same room?
>>
>> Guy
>
> Johnny could be an alter-ego of Ed, has anyone thought of that?
>
> Figure it this way, Ed talks about everything BUT riding and claims to
> have
> dozens of bikes laying around the house when we can pretty much assume he
> doesn't. Johnny talks ONLY about bike(s) and seems to have just the one
>
> Ed's bi-polar if you ask me :)
Screw this Ed Gin! I acted out of character because he got me pissed. No
more. I can ignore him as well as anyone. If and when he wants to confront
me with his real name and post a message in his own words, then I will be
here for him. Otherwise I will never be here for him.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 03 Feb 2005 07:38:08
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Battle of the Eds
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"Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1107390852.797979.281170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I don't know what's sadder: The idiot sock puppet posting his NoCom
> blatherings, or watching him try to go toe to toe w/ Mr. Dolan. Hey Ed
> (Gin), at least make it a little more interesting and come up w/ a
> better retort than your childish and tiresomely limited "I know you are
> but what am I" responses. You realize, don't you, that you're way
> outta your league?
> Wait a minute, such realization would require intelligence.
> Never mind.
>
> -Leif
It is assholes like you that make possible assholes like Ed Gin. I am not
going to waste mental energy on a shit head like Ed Gin. I will just do copy
and paste crap like he does. I will keep it nasty and repetitive and stupid
which is all that matters to me. The main effect of it will be to keep
newbies away. It will kill ARBR, but who gives a damn. Mr. Sherman doesn't,
you don't, so why should I.
Ed Gin is a Mongoloid idiot and has shit for brains. What league are you
talking about? Yup, I am not in that league, but maybe you are.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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