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Date: 15 May 2005 09:58:34
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: The Subject is Trolls

First off, there are good trolls and then there are bad trolls. In case any
of you are in the dark about the difference, Ed Dolan is a good troll and
the other Ed is a bad troll. We all know what bad trolls do as we have had a
recent experience of it. It may be that ARBR will never quite recover from
it.

I used to love an unmoderated forum such as ARBR when everyone was more or
less civilized, but the recent outrages have caused me to completely revise
my thinking. I am now very much in favor of moderated forums. Unmoderated
forums will not work when a single vandal can destroy it with impunity. No
one will defend the group and so the worse elements take over. A moderated
forum will prevent this from happening. In fact, a good moderated forum will
never even let it get started. Enuf about bad trolls!

Since unmoderated forums really don't work very well, we should not take
them so seriously. They are more like playgrounds than anything else. A good
troll will play in the playground observing all the rules of proper behavior
and proper posting so that at least no harm is done to the group.

So what is a good troll like me doing here on ARBR? I am tweaking the group
more or less and I hope bringing joy and happiness to one and all. All
newsgroups get bogged down in trivia and boredom. Good trolls are stimulants
which keep everyone on their toes. A dumb troll is an abomination, but a
st troll is a treasure that is to be appreciated above all else. Every
newsgroup deserves at least one GOOD troll. Sometimes the troll is the only
thing holding the group together if truth be told.

After you have been on a group for awhile the same old things get said over
and over. A good troll lights a spark under the group and gets them off on
tangents that would never otherwise occur to them. One thing leads to
another and before you know it we can be discussing Eskimo culture versus
Norse culture in the Middle Ages. Is this bad? No, I maintain that it is
good. It prevents terminal boredom, the besetting sin of all newsgroups.

A good troll keeps everyone human (and humble) including the troll himself.
A newsgroup that is composed solely of resident experts rendering their
judgments on this and that is deadly. A bit of that goes a long ways. We
all want to be human beings first and foremost with distinctive
personalities above all else. A good troll permits that to take place where
otherwise everyone would be anonymous and basically strangers to one
another. What a waste of time that would be.

Yes, the subject is trolls. What do you think of them? Are they all good or
are they all bad. Or is there some good along with the bad. Do you really
want to be on a group where there is never a troll around to say interesting
things and to amuse you. We are mostly elderly men here on ARBR but does
that mean we cannot have some fun with one another.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 22 May 2005 03:39:21
From: Slugger
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Who has the time for this asshole? I won't be reading this post, but I
will gladly respond to it and its safe to say this is the usual dolan
trollbait. Spare your self.

In article <4tmdnZMxJPMB_hrfRVn-rQ@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan
<edolan@iw.net > wrote:

> First off, there are good trolls and then there are bad trolls. In case any
> of you are in the dark about the difference, Ed Dolan is a good troll and
> the other Ed is a bad troll. We all know what bad trolls do as we have had a
> recent experience of it. It may be that ARBR will never quite recover from
> it.
>
> I used to love an unmoderated forum such as ARBR when everyone was more or
> less civilized, but the recent outrages have caused me to completely revise
> my thinking. I am now very much in favor of moderated forums. Unmoderated
> forums will not work when a single vandal can destroy it with impunity. No
> one will defend the group and so the worse elements take over. A moderated
> forum will prevent this from happening. In fact, a good moderated forum will
> never even let it get started. Enuf about bad trolls!
>
> Since unmoderated forums really don't work very well, we should not take
> them so seriously. They are more like playgrounds than anything else. A good
> troll will play in the playground observing all the rules of proper behavior
> and proper posting so that at least no harm is done to the group.
>
> So what is a good troll like me doing here on ARBR? I am tweaking the group
> more or less and I hope bringing joy and happiness to one and all. All
> newsgroups get bogged down in trivia and boredom. Good trolls are stimulants
> which keep everyone on their toes. A dumb troll is an abomination, but a
> st troll is a treasure that is to be appreciated above all else. Every
> newsgroup deserves at least one GOOD troll. Sometimes the troll is the only
> thing holding the group together if truth be told.
>
> After you have been on a group for awhile the same old things get said over
> and over. A good troll lights a spark under the group and gets them off on
> tangents that would never otherwise occur to them. One thing leads to
> another and before you know it we can be discussing Eskimo culture versus
> Norse culture in the Middle Ages. Is this bad? No, I maintain that it is
> good. It prevents terminal boredom, the besetting sin of all newsgroups.
>
> A good troll keeps everyone human (and humble) including the troll himself.
> A newsgroup that is composed solely of resident experts rendering their
> judgments on this and that is deadly. A bit of that goes a long ways. We
> all want to be human beings first and foremost with distinctive
> personalities above all else. A good troll permits that to take place where
> otherwise everyone would be anonymous and basically strangers to one
> another. What a waste of time that would be.
>
> Yes, the subject is trolls. What do you think of them? Are they all good or
> are they all bad. Or is there some good along with the bad. Do you really
> want to be on a group where there is never a troll around to say interesting
> things and to amuse you. We are mostly elderly men here on ARBR but does
> that mean we cannot have some fun with one another.
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
>

Date: 22 May 2005 10:34:42
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message
news:210520052039139976%upyer@bumbum.com...
>
> Who has the time for this asshole? I won't be reading this post, but I
> will gladly respond to it and its [sic] safe to say this is the usual
> dolan [sic]
> trollbait. Spare your self [sic].

Still top posting I see like all true idiots.

It goes without saying that Slugger is reading my every word. How could he
not since I am bringing nothing but delight and joy into the precincts of
musty old ARBR.

But as usual, Slugger has absolutely nothing to say about the substance of
my post. I must be completely dumbfounding him, thereby leaving him
speechless except for the predictable name calling, ever the last refuge of
a scoundrel. But never fear, I often have this effect on my inferiors. After
all, we can't all be Great like me!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

>
> In article <4tmdnZMxJPMB_hrfRVn-rQ@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan
> <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> First off, there are good trolls and then there are bad trolls. In case
>> any
>> of you are in the dark about the difference, Ed Dolan is a good troll and
>> the other Ed is a bad troll. We all know what bad trolls do as we have
>> had a
>> recent experience of it. It may be that ARBR will never quite recover
>> from
>> it.
>>
>> I used to love an unmoderated forum such as ARBR when everyone was more
>> or
>> less civilized, but the recent outrages have caused me to completely
>> revise
>> my thinking. I am now very much in favor of moderated forums. Unmoderated
>> forums will not work when a single vandal can destroy it with impunity.
>> No
>> one will defend the group and so the worse elements take over. A
>> moderated
>> forum will prevent this from happening. In fact, a good moderated forum
>> will
>> never even let it get started. Enuf about bad trolls!
>>
>> Since unmoderated forums really don't work very well, we should not take
>> them so seriously. They are more like playgrounds than anything else. A
>> good
>> troll will play in the playground observing all the rules of proper
>> behavior
>> and proper posting so that at least no harm is done to the group.
>>
>> So what is a good troll like me doing here on ARBR? I am tweaking the
>> group
>> more or less and I hope bringing joy and happiness to one and all. All
>> newsgroups get bogged down in trivia and boredom. Good trolls are
>> stimulants
>> which keep everyone on their toes. A dumb troll is an abomination, but a
>> st troll is a treasure that is to be appreciated above all else. Every
>> newsgroup deserves at least one GOOD troll. Sometimes the troll is the
>> only
>> thing holding the group together if truth be told.
>>
>> After you have been on a group for awhile the same old things get said
>> over
>> and over. A good troll lights a spark under the group and gets them off
>> on
>> tangents that would never otherwise occur to them. One thing leads to
>> another and before you know it we can be discussing Eskimo culture versus
>> Norse culture in the Middle Ages. Is this bad? No, I maintain that it is
>> good. It prevents terminal boredom, the besetting sin of all newsgroups.
>>
>> A good troll keeps everyone human (and humble) including the troll
>> himself.
>> A newsgroup that is composed solely of resident experts rendering their
>> judgments on this and that is deadly. A bit of that goes a long ways. We
>> all want to be human beings first and foremost with distinctive
>> personalities above all else. A good troll permits that to take place
>> where
>> otherwise everyone would be anonymous and basically strangers to one
>> another. What a waste of time that would be.
>>
>> Yes, the subject is trolls. What do you think of them? Are they all good
>> or
>> are they all bad. Or is there some good along with the bad. Do you really
>> want to be on a group where there is never a troll around to say
>> interesting
>> things and to amuse you. We are mostly elderly men here on ARBR but does
>> that mean we cannot have some fun with one another.
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>
>>

Date: 21 May 2005 18:15:36
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Genesis, Chapter 38:

7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the
LORD; and the LORD slew him.

8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife,
and ry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it
came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife,
that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should
give seed to his brother.

10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore
he slew him also.

TROLL:

>... onanist...

Such an archaic word that the TROLL's put to use -
As a metaphor hinting at lewd self-abuse.
It's a musty old word, and it's so obsolete
That its meaning's unclear, though it's clearly not sweet.
Did someone call the TROLL that when he was a teen,
And got caught single-handed, red-faced and obscene?

He's a mean Minnesotan who's headed for Hell,
But I bet he knows Genesis, maybe quite well.
Did his mommy, some priest, or his daddy perhaps
Read this tale to the cute little TROLL in their laps?
That old story of Onan has often been spun,
As a moral by clerics, by bad boys for fun.

But the moral is clear for us folks pure of heart:
Frisky fellows should finish the flings that they start.
Never leave a girl hanging; keep things in their place.
It's a hard thing to wave in the TROLL's ugly face,
But I don't think the story of Onan applies
When confronting Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies.

Folks, a saint would lose patience with this ol' TROLL's snit,
Quickly getting enough of his shim sham and spit.

Regards,
Wayne

Date: 22 May 2005 10:20:19
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116724536.864979.35050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Genesis, Chapter 38:
>
> 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the
> LORD; and the LORD slew him.
>
> 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife,
> and ry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
>
> 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it
> came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife,
> that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should
> give seed to his brother.
>
> 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore
> he slew him also.
>
> TROLL:
>
>>... onanist...
>
> Such an archaic word that the TROLL's put to use -
> As a metaphor hinting at lewd self-abuse.
> It's a musty old word, and it's so obsolete
> That its meaning's unclear, though it's clearly not sweet.
> Did someone call the TROLL that when he was a teen,
> And got caught single-handed, red-faced and obscene?

Not an archaic word to me. And I used it most fittingly to describe what you
are doing here.

> He's a mean Minnesotan who's headed for Hell,
> But I bet he knows Genesis, maybe quite well.
> Did his mommy, some priest, or his daddy perhaps
> Read this tale to the cute little TROLL in their laps?
> That old story of Onan has often been spun,
> As a moral by clerics, by bad boys for fun.

I am known as Saint Edward in these parts. I belong to the Order of the
Perpetual Miseries. This is a very exclusive Order and an onanist like you
could never enter into the Kingdom, let alone my Order.

> But the moral is clear for us folks pure of heart:
> Frisky fellows should finish the flings that they start.
> Never leave a girl hanging; keep things in their place.
> It's a hard thing to wave in the TROLL's ugly face,
> But I don't think the story of Onan applies
> When confronting Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies.

It applies because you are not responsive. You are off on tangents of your
own, so I will be too. In other words, you only talk to yourself and now
that is what I shall do also. What could be more fair than that.

> Folks, a saint would lose patience with this ol' TROLL's snit,
> Quickly getting enough of his shim sham and spit.

You have sure got that right about me being a Saint! I have never met anyone
holier than me. It is most likely that I will ascend into Heaven without
having to go through the bother of having to die first - kind of like our
Blessed Virgin y. I may also have been conceived without original sin
too, but I am not sure about that since I can so readily recognize sin in
others. In any event, I will be sitting at the right hand of God and I will
advise Him on how He should judge you upon your passing. I trust that you
will not mind the heat and being poked at by Satan's minions!

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

Date: 20 May 2005 19:06:15
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

The TROLL trundles on:

>shit... repeating himself endlessly... flinging shit...
>shit on his brain... shit for brains... toilet bowel [sic]
>... latrine... excrement... shit on his brain... images of
>excrement... shit for brains... bowel problem... sounding
>like a broken record.

Oh, such style - and such substance! Good golly, Miss Molly!
Oh, this TROLL's an impressive, artistic Svengali.
So articulate, instantly grasping that topic,
Though his view of the world is almost microscopic -
Like some poor paramecium, he's flopping and flailing,
He's a senile old TROLL, with his speech center failing.

>[WHAT!? NO MENTION OF 'THE WAR'? BUT THERE MUST BE; THERE
>HAS TO BE. NO TROLL POSTING COULD BE COMPLETE WITHOUT AT
>LEAST ONE WHINING REMINDER OF THAT PATHETIC, BUT HARDLY
>MORTAL OR EPIC CONFLICT!]...

... can't... go... on... must... have... gunsmoke...

LIGHTS! - - - - - CAMERA! - - - - - ACTION!

"Mister Dillon! He's coming!" cried someone like Chester,
And he pointed at Eddie, the ovine molester.
'This is it,' thought the shall,
'I've dreamed of this showdown.
Now we'll dance on his grave in a virtual hoedown.'

Matt stepped out in the street, hot and windy and dusty,
And he saw that Ed's gun, like his wit, was all rusty.
shall Dillon stood tall and the sun was behind him,
But he knew that his foe wore dark glasses, which blind him
To the worth of his peers. All their hopes and their feelings
Mean no more to this villain than little lambs squealing
As he grabs them and... OOPS! That's a different story;
Let's get back now to Dodge, where the scene's getting gory.

Here it's Dillon v. Dolan - a classical duel -
Right v. wrong, man v. TROLL, cute and charming v. cruel.
They square off, glaring, sneering, insulting each other;
[Ed is crude, using words that would shock his poor mother.]
Dolan's mad, red with rage, and his dentures are gnashing.
Now their hands streak, and spring up with gun barrels flashing!
Shots ring out; women scream, and both sounds are echoing.
Who's been wounded or killed? There is no way of knowing...

Until Camera B zooms in, closer and bigger,
And we see Evil Eddie, still pulling his trigger.
Twenty shots, twenty-five, but his aim is quite awful,
Plus his bullets are duds. Dolan shrieks, "It's unlawful!
You're a much better shot, and you have better ammo."
Then another slug rips through his TROLL body - WHAMMO!
But the TROLL doesn't fall; since he's not real observant,
He keeps firing away, badly wounded but fervent.

Ten more shots hit the TROLL; Dillon's aim is effective,
While the TROLL does more harm with his vicious invective.
Dillon shoots; Dolan shouts. They're just standing there firing,
Until, frankly, it gets just a little bit tiring...
You can see Dolan bleeding, the lead freely flying,
But you sense something's wrong. There can be no denying
That this scene isn't real; it's a bad Western movie...
Or a poem I hoped you might think's kinda groovy.

In reality, shootouts on newsgroups aren't funny;
If one's made as a film, I'd suggest, "Save your money."
As for dealing with TROLLS on an internet forum,
Most folks say, "Never feed one; just simply ignore 'em."
That's a very good rule that should rarely be broken,
But it is really hard, when a TROLL's so outspoken,
And keeps blathering on - a disgusting, bad habit -
Not to pick up a sharp-pointed stick and just jab it!

Best regards to all TROLL loathers,
Wayne

Date: 20 May 2005 22:41:12
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116641175.562913.43920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> The TROLL trundles on:
>
>>shit... repeating himself endlessly... flinging shit...
>>shit on his brain... shit for brains... toilet bowel [sic]
>>... latrine... excrement... shit on his brain... images of
>>excrement... shit for brains... bowel problem... sounding
>>like a broken record.
>
> Oh, such style - and such substance! Good golly, Miss Molly!
> Oh, this TROLL's an impressive, artistic Svengali.
> So articulate, instantly grasping that topic,
> Though his view of the world is almost microscopic -
> Like some poor paramecium, he's flopping and flailing,
> He's a senile old TROLL, with his speech center failing.

You are the one who keeps bringing excrement into your verse. I have already
told you a couple of times that allusions to excrement should be kept out of
verse as it is inappropriate. Try to write about love and death like all
good poets do. However, as long as you keep bringing excrement into your
verse, then I shall continue to rub your nose in it and it will be my
pleasure to do so.

>>[WHAT!? NO MENTION OF 'THE WAR'? BUT THERE MUST BE; THERE
>>HAS TO BE. NO TROLL POSTING COULD BE COMPLETE WITHOUT AT
>>LEAST ONE WHINING REMINDER OF THAT PATHETIC, BUT HARDLY
>>MORTAL OR EPIC CONFLICT!]...

I do not understand the capital letters. When everything is capitalized,
then nothing is emphasized. Besides, capital letters are harder to read.

> ... can't... go... on... must... have... gunsmoke...
>
> LIGHTS! - - - - - CAMERA! - - - - - ACTION!

Blah, blah, blah ...

There is no conversation going on here. The irony is that Wayne LoGo the
Poet has become a troll himself, but he is not even a good troll. A good
troll engages in conversation and is responsive. Wayne LoGo the Poet is only
writing for himself at this point and so he can just read himself too as far
as I am concerned. Wayne LoGo the Poet has not only become a troll, but a
bad one at that. He is not yet a criminal troll, but that may be in the
offing.

Most bad trolls are just plain stupid, but a half way intelligent bad troll
is just plain pathetic.The fact is that there is no substitute for real
conversation. It is what newsgroups are all about regardless of subject.

And so I leave poor Wayne LoGo the Poet to himself. He went off the rails
because he is only into himself. He is an onanist and cannot relate to
others.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 19 May 2005 16:27:57
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

The TROLL keeps spinning - round, and round once more -
Ignoring facts, asserting his beliefs...
Repeating... endless whining... crap galore...
Exacerbating ARBR's woes and griefs.

>... the brilliance and indeed the genius of [the TROLL]...
>will be preserved in the Google archive until the end of
>time... I encourage one and all to carefully study every
>word I have ever written to ARBR... I repeat myself
>endlessly to this group...

Well, there's another oxymoron, guys,
Two bleakish thoughts and then a caveat.
The TROLL's eternal, but he isn't wise
Enough to see and do the things he ought.

>... the war... cowardice... the enemy... criminal...
>vandal... [REPEAT ENDLESSLY]

The TROLL, I'm sure, though clearly not too bright,
Knows very well most ARBR readers felt
Much (much, MUCH!) more embarrassment than fright,
Disgusted with the way that looked and smelt.

But once the crap had all gone through the fan,
The breeze that blew through ARBR smelled more sweet,
And why? Because the TROLL packed up and ran.
Did any postings mourn his 'final' bleat?

Did anybody welcome his return?
Or did they beg him, "Please, please stay away!"?
The archives tell the tale; most people spurn
This TROLL - past, present, future, night and day.

>Wayne... confuses style with substance... I like my
>style and I will continue with it.

The old TROLL's style's offensive, mean and crude,
The 'substance' in his postings smelly, brown.
There's no confusion, folks. He's crass, he's rude;
His little piles of poop bring readers down.

He lies through TROLLish teeth when he proclaims
He thinks he's good for ARBR, knowing well
He's playing selfish, petty TROLLish games;
He'd cut the crap if he wished ARBR well.

Regards,
Wayne
Terribly Tired of TROLLS

Date: 19 May 2005 20:32:37
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116545277.677539.321160@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The TROLL keeps spinning - round, and round once more -
> Ignoring facts, asserting his beliefs...
> Repeating... endless whining... crap galore...
> Exacerbating ARBR's woes and griefs.

That is good - get the shit thing off your brain right away!

>>... the brilliance and indeed the genius of [the TROLL]...
>>will be preserved in the Google archive until the end of
>>time... I encourage one and all to carefully study every
>>word I have ever written to ARBR... I repeat myself
>>endlessly to this group...
>
> Well, there's another oxymoron, guys,
> Two bleakish thoughts and then a caveat.
> The TROLL's eternal, but he isn't wise
> Enough to see and do the things he ought.
>
>>... the war... cowardice... the enemy... criminal...
>>vandal... [REPEAT ENDLESSLY]

The only one who is repeating himself endlessly is you. And to what point.
So you don't like trolls. So what? Who cares? I have sure succeeded with
you though, haven't I. Caught in my net like a big stupid sucker fish,
flopping away not knowing how to progress. Now you began to see the
limitations of verse and the advantages of prose.

> The TROLL, I'm sure, though clearly not too bright,
> Knows very well most ARBR readers felt
> Much (much, MUCH!) more embarrassment than fright,
> Disgusted with the way that looked and smelt.
>
> But once the crap had all gone through the fan,
> The breeze that blew through ARBR smelled more sweet,
> And why? Because the TROLL packed up and ran.
> Did any postings mourn his 'final' bleat?

The only one flinging shit here is Wayne Logo, the Poet of Excrement who
constantly has shit on his brain, or is it shit for brains. Too bad he can't
get his head out of the toilet bowel. Well, he is most likely a failed poet
and is now wallowing in a latrine in his own excrement. That would account
for his having shit on his brain all the time.

> Did anybody welcome his return?
> Or did they beg him, "Please, please stay away!"?
> The archives tell the tale; most people spurn
> This TROLL - past, present, future, night and day.

No one comes to a newsgroup to win a popularity contest, at least that idea
never occurred to me. All that matters is that others respond. Who cares
what they say. I sure don't. Who cares what you say. I sure don't.

The fact is that no one responds to your now ridiculous posts. Why is that I
wonder if everyone agrees with you about the badness of trolls. Or could it
possibly be that you do not know what you are talking about - like most
poets I have ever read. The truth is that no one but no one pays any
attention to poetry. It is in the category of children's games. If you had
any sts you would realize that and stop making a fool of yourself.

>>Wayne... confuses style with substance... I like my
>>style and I will continue with it.
>
> The old TROLL's style's offensive, mean and crude,
> The 'substance' in his postings smelly, brown.
> There's no confusion, folks. He's crass, he's rude;
> His little piles of poop bring readers down.

>>Wayne... confuses style with substance... I like my
>>style and I will continue with it.

Wayne LoGo the Poet's style consists of images of excrement (shit on the
brain - maybe shit for brains for all I know). I am convinced that he must
have a most horrible bowel problem. Either that or he is a proctologist on
the side.

> He lies through TROLLish teeth when he proclaims
> He thinks he's good for ARBR, knowing well
> He's playing selfish, petty TROLLish games;
> He'd cut the crap if he wished ARBR well.

The only one who needs to cut the crap is Wayne LoGo, the Poet Troll of
ARBR. Too bad no one is reading him except me, and my patience is running
out. There is nothing sadder or more pathetic than a failed poet troll. He
needs to move on as there is only so much that can be said about the badness
of trolls without sounding like a broken record.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 18 May 2005 18:52:25
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Does it give one a warm fuzzy feeling to note
These soft comforting words from a TROLL's hungry throat?:

>[The TROLL] is still plugging away trying to make the group
>a worthwhile endeavor...

Not exactly, in fact:

Shouldn't that read 'unplugging and dumping a load'?
That's a TROLL's definition of "worthwhile endeavor".
Folks, that old worn-out diesel's still out on the road,
As its road-hogging driver tries hard to be clever...

>If all the Philberts in recumbent land would just post...

Then the TROLL would spring out and confront ev'ry sheep;
He'd attack each intruder and make him regret it.
BOTTOM LINE: It's a TROLL, guys, not Little Bo Peep;
It wears cute little dresses, perhaps, but don't pet it!

For example:

>... there was never a peep [BO OR OTHERWISE?] out of Philbert
>when the war was raging...

What war? His war. And who cares? Just the TROLL.
And why? He lost; he crept back to his hole.
And then? He whined; he's still whining today.
No end? Perhaps. What does he himself say?

>[FROM 'THE SUBJECT IS TROLLS' THREAD]... depending on how
>vicious and mean I am feeling.

Does he think that some schmoozing, a few bottom kisses,
And some bull poop about what the meaning of 'is' is
Will hornswoggle this group into thinking he's charming?
No, his track record's wretched; it's truly alarming,
With a whole lot of snapping and snarling and biting.
TROLLS aren't 'good'; they aren't nice; they're at best uninviting.

Does he think we forget? We can read the archives,
Where he's wielded his words like a psycho wields knives.
TROLLS should have just a tad more respect for the brain
Of the typical reader that they entertain.
Number six on the list, short and sweet, brief and droll:
If you write for yourself when you write, you're a TROLL!

ARBR's TROLL - there's just one and he knows who he is -
Is the reason most folks take one look, then go 'Whizz-zz-zz'.
Mr. TROLL, dwell on that (and the readers!) before
Writing any more posts, 'cause at least three or four
Know what's up, with more sts and perception than you,
Plus a more open mind and more saddle time too.

There's no reason at all that a TROLL can't convert
To a more pleasant guy who does more good than hurt,
But unless he's sincere when he claims that he tries,
On this "dung heap" he mentioned, he's Lord of the Flies!

Regards,
Wayne
TROLL Truth Monitor

Date: 19 May 2005 08:14:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116467545.232463.197530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Does it give one a warm fuzzy feeling to note
> These soft comforting words from a TROLL's hungry throat?:
>
>>[The TROLL] is still plugging away trying to make the group
>>a worthwhile endeavor...
>
> Not exactly, in fact:
>
> Shouldn't that read 'unplugging and dumping a load'?
> That's a TROLL's definition of "worthwhile endeavor".
> Folks, that old worn-out diesel's still out on the road,
> As its road-hogging driver tries hard to be clever...

Wayne Logo the Poet confuses style with substance. Unfortunately for him, I
like my style and I will continue with it.

>>If all the Philberts in recumbent land would just post...
>
> Then the TROLL would spring out and confront ev'ry sheep;
> He'd attack each intruder and make him regret it.
> BOTTOM LINE: It's a TROLL, guys, not Little Bo Peep;
> It wears cute little dresses, perhaps, but don't pet it!

I never have much to say to newbies, unless and until they say something
outrageously stupid. I am only into keeping the regulars in check, all of
which I know well by now.

> For example:
>
>>... there was never a peep [BO OR OTHERWISE?] out of Philbert
>>when the war was raging...
>
> What war? His war. And who cares? Just the TROLL.
> And why? He lost; he crept back to his hole.
> And then? He whined; he's still whining today.
> No end? Perhaps. What does he himself say?

That war practically destroyed this group, but it is now apparent to me that
you do not have a clue what it was about. However, if you were here at the
time and said nothing, it most certainly does NOT resound to your credit.
Cowardice in the face of the enemy is the least attractive of all human
characteristics.

>>[FROM 'THE SUBJECT IS TROLLS' THREAD]... depending on how
>>vicious and mean I am feeling.
>
> Does he think that some schmoozing, a few bottom kisses,
> And some bull poop about what the meaning of 'is' is
> Will hornswoggle this group into thinking he's charming?
> No, his track record's wretched; it's truly alarming,
> With a whole lot of snapping and snarling and biting.
> TROLLS aren't 'good'; they aren't nice; they're at best uninviting.

I am very proud of my track record here on ARBR. All anyone ever has to do
is read the COMPLETE thread in which I participated, however humbly, to see
the brilliance and indeed the genius of Ed Dolan the Great. It is my
understanding that my reks will be preserved in the Google archive until
the end of time, as indeed they should. I encourage one and all to carefully
study every word I have ever written to ARBR. You will emerge infinitely
wiser and a better person into the bargain.

> Does he think we forget? We can read the archives,
> Where he's wielded his words like a psycho wields knives.
> TROLLS should have just a tad more respect for the brain
> Of the typical reader that they entertain.
> Number six on the list, short and sweet, brief and droll:
> If you write for yourself when you write, you're a TROLL!

I have already told you what I think of the kind of scoundrel who would
resort to the archives and dredge up old threads. Now you also know why I
repeat myself endlessly to this group. That is the only way anything ever
sinks in.

The only one writing for himself here on ARBR is you. Please note the
absolute dearth of comments on your efforts from others besides me. This
ought to tell you something, but it doesn't because you are tone deaf. You
have only one reader here and that is me. That is because it takes a troll
to know a troll when confronted with another troll like YOU!

On the other hand, note how many will respond to ANYTHING I write. That is
because I am not tone deaf like you. It is a function of the intelligence,
and you either got it or you ain't. But you are a wordsmith all right. Too
bad more don't appreciate wordsmiths.

> ARBR's TROLL - there's just one and he knows who he is -
> Is the reason most folks take one look, then go 'Whizz-zz-zz'.
> Mr. TROLL, dwell on that (and the readers!) before
> Writing any more posts, 'cause at least three or four
> Know what's up, with more sts and perception than you,
> Plus a more open mind and more saddle time too.

If there are others on this group who are ster than me, they should speak
up and demonstrate that fact to one and all, but so far I have never seen
any evidence of anyone being ster than yours truly. Now you know why I
refer to myself as Ed Dolan the Great. The only one who has ever challenged
me is you and you are not playing fair. But I am making allowances for you
because you are a wordsmith. However, being a wordsmith does not have all
that much to do with intelligence. For all I know, you may be an idiot
savant.

> There's no reason at all that a TROLL can't convert
> To a more pleasant guy who does more good than hurt,
> But unless he's sincere when he claims that he tries,
> On this "dung heap" he mentioned, he's Lord of the Flies!

If I became a pleasant guy, I would just be one among many and the group
would die of boredom. No, I believe I will continue on in my accustomed
manner and throw a few firecrackers into the mix from time to time just to
make sure everybody has not died and gone to hell. Why even have a newsgroup
if doesn't generate a little excitement.

By the way, we have gotten quite off the subject of good trolls versus bad
trolls. I maintain that I am a good troll because I play by the rules. I use
my real name and address, I do not forge false names, I do not forge real
names not my own, I do not play around with headers and I do not enter into
other threads willy-nilly for no good reason. Furthermore, I am not a one
note Johnny like some others here. And finally, I never use foul language
and foul thoughts except in retaliation. In short, I am a gentleman and a
scholar and this group is lucky to have me.

A bad troll is never responsive and a good troll is. That is a huge
difference which even someone like you should be able to appreciate, unless
of course you are an idiot savant and only know one thing - how to string
words together that more or less rhyme.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. I think Wayne the Poet must be about my age as I do not believe anyone
reads William Golding anymore. Like Wayne the Poet, Golding was a good
writer but a poor thinker. There is no way in this world that kids under
those circumstances would ever have acted the way they did. It was pure
fantasy fiction.

Date: 17 May 2005 21:48:33
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Six more bouts of diarrhea,
Though the TROLL has no idea
Worth the time it takes to read...
Well, at least this one won't breed.

>You do not have sense enough to paraphrase me... I do not
>wish to revisit that episode... run it pass [sic] me...
>I never make errors... no where [sic]...

Did he paraphrase Reagan or Clinton? I wonder...
And please note I avoided the classical blunder
Of a sentence that runs on and on, though it's two.
Did your seventh-grade teacher run that one PAST you?
I guess errors are born, never made. Only simps
Write "no where" for 'nowhere'; are TROLLS dumber than chimps?
And those three little dots at the end, most folks know,
Are what's called an ellipsis... plain English... HELLO?

>I have never liked you, nor did I ever say I did...

My bad - "admire and envy" - please excuse...
I mostly was concerned about my shoes.

>... I can write prose a hundred times faster than you can
>write verse [BUT OF COURSE] quality is more important than
>quantity.

Even TROLLS ev'ry now and again seem to stumble
On a truth that should make them feel meeker, more humble,
But a TROLL is a TROLL is a TROLL - this one too.
With its head up its ass, what can anyone do?

Please forgive me, dear readers, for my small transgression.
I will try in the future to show more discretion
About sticking a pin in the puffed-up balloon
That's the ego of ARBR's most well-known buffoon.

If I fail in my efforts at self-regulation,
I must ask you to think of the strong motivation
That's provided by TROLLS who continue to snipe,
And to fill up the archives with blubber and tripe.

TROLLs are varmints, night noises, mean scurrying weasels.
TROLLs make loud clanking sounds like old high mileage diesels.
This one's due for an overhaul, folks, we all know.
His emissions are high; his compression is low.

But he keeps on polluting with noise, smoke and clatter,
And refuses to notice that something's the matter.
Are his gauges defective? His battery dead?
Or is his biggest problem inside his big head?

I suggest, since he's steaming and badly misfiring,
That it's time he should think about REALLY retiring.
If there's anything anyone else here can say
To encourage him, please say it quickly - TODAY!

If he doesn't just park it and stay off the highway,
He should get it rebuilt and then try driving my way:
First off, get a new muffler; don't be a road hog;
Don't insult other drivers; use low beams in fog.

There is room on the road for us all, but watch out
If a TROLL's hiding under a bridge on your route.

Warmest regards to all (but a few),
Wayne
TROLL Traffic Control

Date: 18 May 2005 13:38:24
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116391713.433566.307980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
>>You do not have sense enough to paraphrase me... I do not
>>wish to revisit that episode... run it pass [sic] me...
>>I never make errors... no where [sic]...

Pass and past are very important words that have multiple meanings and
multiple ways of using them. I really did mean pass and not past.

You are correct about nowhere. But this is the sort of thing a spell checker
will not pick up. I note that many write alot for a lot. I used to do this
too. When in doubt I will always use two separate words rather than unite
them. It is tiresome to run to the dictionary for anything except for a word
that you are sure you are not spelling right. I am also known far and wide
for making up words of my own. But you can always figure them out from the
context.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 18 May 2005 09:09:33
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116391713.433566.307980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Even TROLLS ev'ry now and again seem to stumble
> On a truth that should make them feel meeker, more humble,
> But a TROLL is a TROLL is a TROLL - this one too.
> With its head up its ass, what can anyone do?
>
> Please forgive me, dear readers, for my small transgression.
> I will try in the future to show more discretion
> About sticking a pin in the puffed-up balloon
> That's the ego of ARBR's most well-known buffoon.
>
> If I fail in my efforts at self-regulation,
> I must ask you to think of the strong motivation
> That's provided by TROLLS who continue to snipe,
> And to fill up the archives with blubber and tripe.
>
> TROLLs are varmints, night noises, mean scurrying weasels.
> TROLLs make loud clanking sounds like old high mileage diesels.
> This one's due for an overhaul, folks, we all know.
> His emissions are high; his compression is low.
>
> But he keeps on polluting with noise, smoke and clatter,
> And refuses to notice that something's the matter.
> Are his gauges defective? His battery dead?
> Or is his biggest problem inside his big head?
>
> I suggest, since he's steaming and badly misfiring,
> That it's time he should think about REALLY retiring.
> If there's anything anyone else here can say
> To encourage him, please say it quickly - TODAY!
>
> If he doesn't just park it and stay off the highway,
> He should get it rebuilt and then try driving my way:
> First off, get a new muffler; don't be a road hog;
> Don't insult other drivers; use low beams in fog.
>
> There is room on the road for us all, but watch out
> If a TROLL's hiding under a bridge on your route.
>
> Warmest regards to all (but a few),
> Wayne
> TROLL Traffic Control

I was all prepared to go into orbit over the above post, but then I actually
read it and it is really quite good. Even I can laugh at myself when things
are put properly.

Wayne LoGo must think in verse. He is most likely a true poet. It would take
me days to compose something like the above and it would not be any good. I
will give credit where credit is due.

It is just as well that Wayne LoGo is not responding directly to my posts.
No one does as well what he does and there are plenty of others who will
confront me directly. We should all just sit back and enjoy the poet.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 18 May 2005 08:40:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116391713.433566.307980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Six more bouts of diarrhea,
> Though the TROLL has no idea
> Worth the time it takes to read...
> Well, at least this one won't breed.

Right! Let's get the allusion to shit out of the way right away.

>>You do not have sense enough to paraphrase me... I do not
>>wish to revisit that episode... run it pass [sic] me...
>>I never make errors... no where [sic]...

[sic] [sic] to you too. Your writing is infested with three dots. Why is
that? Does your mind trail off like your writing?

> Did he paraphrase Reagan or Clinton? I wonder...
> And please note I avoided the classical blunder
> Of a sentence that runs on and on, though it's two.
> Did your seventh-grade teacher run that one PAST you?
> I guess errors are born, never made. Only simps
> Write "no where" for 'nowhere'; are TROLLS dumber than chimps?
> And those three little dots at the end, most folks know,
> Are what's called an ellipsis... plain English... HELLO?

I am not much in favor of compacting words. I leave that to the Germans. It
is better to have two short words than one long word.

Dots (however many) just plain look bad. Try just a single dot. It is what
is known as a period.

>>I have never liked you, nor did I ever say I did...
>
> My bad - "admire and envy" - please excuse...
> I mostly was concerned about my shoes.

That was in reference to your writing ability and had nothing to do with
your person.

>>... I can write prose a hundred times faster than you can
>>write verse [BUT OF COURSE] quality is more important than
>>quantity.

No one knows to what you are referring. Either quote me in full or forget
about it. Even I am not going to look up what I have previously written.
[...]

The rest of his crap I have deleted as I know no one is reading it. I will
save perhaps a few stanzas for separate replies later in separate threads
depending on how vicious and mean I am feeling.

However, I will conclude by adding something of my own about poets and
poetry.

It is a mortal sin for a poet to be longwinded. That belongs to the 19th
century, not to the present day. Poets who are longwinded are writing for
themselves only. They love to read their own words and hear the sound of
their own voice. I learned all of this when I was at the University and
occasionally would look in on the coffee shops surrounding the campus. The
poets would be reading their poetry for an audience that only consisted of
other poets. I have never seen such a collection of freaks in my life. Each
and every one of them were crazy as loons and looked it. You would not
normally give any of those freaks the time of day. You would veer away from
them if you were to meet them on the street.

Most of us had to read some poetry when we were in high school. It was part
of the English curriculum. Some of us were stupid enough to take some
college English classes which also consisted of reading poetry. As a result
of this, we come away from the experience heartily hating all poetry. I did
not carry it that far, but it is important to stay way from the kind of poet
who cannot find the proper subject for his muse.

Wayne LoGo is an example of the latter kind of poet. His first effort on
this group was his best and it has been all downhill from there. The reason
for it is that he has gone from the general treatment of tolls to the
particular treatment of a troll. He of course is nothing but a troll himself
at this point. It amuses me greatly that he thinks he can outlast me in this
arena. As he well knows, since he practices it all the time, the best
defense is a an offense and that is what I shall do also. We trolls
understand one another.

Poor Wayne LoGo the Poet. No one will read him because everyone hates poetry
and everyone will read me because of my inimitable style which is easily
understood by all. Also, I am not longwinded like he is. I know how to make
my post just long enough without driving everyone to distraction.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 18 May 2005 16:00:15
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

LoGo USA Wrote:
> Six more bouts of diarrhea,
> Though the TROLL has no idea
> Worth the time it takes to read...
> Well, at least this one won't breed.
> Wayne has struck again ,the poet of poop on our newsgroup

--
nget

Date: 16 May 2005 18:49:31
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Grunts the TROLL as he lowers his trousers and squats,
Getting ready to post (or does he have the trots?):

>Another reference to excrement. Do you have a bowel
>problem I wonder. [sic]

Run a search using Google's archive, seeking 'shit',
On page one, thirteen entries this year (quite a bit)
Are all signed with one name, though it missed many more.
Haven't we heard the phrase "More Ed Gin shit" before?
Yes, I think that we have. Will the kettle please stand
With his black, reddened face, and his hat in his hand,
And apologize nicely to poor Mister Pot?
Well, he might, but I'm giving long odds he will not.

>From nget - mercifully ignoring his pitifully probative
poetry:

>you [referring to Wayne] are... exquisite... My only
>excuse... is that it is very early in the morning.

OPEN NOTE TO NGET:

No EXCUSES are needed; the REASONS are clear.
Writing isn't your forte; you don't belong here
In defense of a TROLL who would have you for lunch
If you weren't such a sic-ophant. Please get a hunch
That this TROLL doesn't like anyone on this group.
If you cross him you'll see just how cruelly he'll swoop.

He was singing my praises as late as last week;
Now I'm sensing a shift in the tone of TROLL-speak.
Have I changed? No, I haven't, and neither has he,
But he says he likes YOU, and no longer likes ME.
He's a TROLL, only nice when his bottom gets kissed;
Make him mad and you'll see that this TROLL does exist!

As borne out by the TROLL's very words, maybe? Yes!:

>... it is obvious what I think and that I do not much
>care what anyone else thinks if they differ from what
>I think... you will discover what a troll can do.

OPEN NOTE TO THE TROLL:

Oh, no thanks, Mr. TROLL, we've seen more than enough
Of your ill-mannered postings, malevolent, rough,
Constant whining... Oh, dear, you've been victimized... GEE!
Did you like it, I wonder? Well, neither do we!

>I will only put a question k after a question that I want
>an answer to... a stupid typo. We prose writers need not take
>as much care.

So he dangles a small preposition or two,
But rewrites all the rules (or at least tweaks a few),
To conform to his failings, insisting he's "Great",
That he's literate, st - but it's slightly too late...

In the archives at ARBR it's easy to see
That the TROLL picks at nits, little errors which he
Has himself far exceeded by count and in scope.
Does it matter? It doesn't, except to a dope.

Sigh-hh-hh... what's become of:

>A good troll... observing all the rules of proper behavior
>and proper posting... I hope bringing joy and happiness to
>one and all... so that at least no harm is done to the
>group... Most trolls... only want the group to prosper and
>prevail.

Perhaps the TROLL is seesawing back now to:

>I don't give a shit about any of you... assholes and shit
>heads ... That is all newsgroups are full of... I leave you
>to yourselves. You are all a bunch of crazy bastards who
>deserve one another. May you all [BLEEP!] one another until
>kingdom come... there are just not enough intelligent folks
>here for me... Cowards and idiots! That is what ARBR is full
>of...

That's about as likely to build confidence in the 'goodness'
of a TROLL as:

>I also have never been obscene... just because I believe
>[NAME WITHELD TO PROTECT THE (RELATIVELY) INNOCENT] is a
>[BLEEP!-ing] asshole is not an obscenity...

Some political putzes use 'spin' -
"Folks, my heart is pure GOLD," though it's tin.
Here at ARBR that spin doesn't work,
Since the archives will show what a jerk
ARBR's TROLL's been - both snotty and rude,
Plus combative, abusive and lewd.

Number six on the list: Just BE NICE!
Before sniping, please stop and think twice.
If the good of the group's on your mind,
Please stop showing your hairy behind!
We've been mooned much too often by TROLLS
And occasional "brother a-holes".

For this group to get back to the place
Where more readers return, simple GRACE
Is what's needed, not conflict and spite,
Not a TROLL who's just itchin' to fight...
Though by whatever standards you choose,
He's outwitted, and he's gonna lose.

In my verse about Billy Goat Gruff,
I was temperate, though it was tough.
Where the goat made an offer of 'PEACE',
Now it's changed to the much stronger 'CEASE';
And plain text has been changed to a link
That's unkind, but deserved, don't you think?

Regards,
Wayne

Date: 18 May 2005 01:44:03
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

>From nget - mercifully ignoring his pitifully probative[/color]
poetry:

>you [referring to Wayne] are... exquisite... My only
>excuse... is that it is very early in the morning.

OPEN NOTE TO NGET:

No EXCUSES are needed; the REASONS are clear.
Writing isn't your forte; you don't belong here
In defense of a TROLL who would have you for lunch
If you weren't such a sic-ophant. Please get a hunch
That this TROLL doesn't like anyone on this group.
If you cross him you'll see just how cruelly he'll swoop.

Regards,
Wayne

Oh please please Wayne protect me from the big bad troll.Is that why yo
belong here, to protect others who are weak and helpless.
I worked a full shift yesterday on a dockside crane,and then I put i
some overtime doing other real work that men do.Now you know a littl
bit more about what I do.Is the reason you have so much time to writ
poetry here on ARBR is that being a little trike huckster takes so littl
of your time?
You need to get a clue if you think I am able to defend Ed Dolan on thi
newsgroup.That is so dumb it is funny.LOL

PS.What part of "Take a hike" don't you understand

--
nget

Date: 17 May 2005 14:06:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"nget" <nget.1p6nzb@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
news:nget.1p6nzb@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
>
>>From nget - mercifully ignoring his pitifully probative[/color]
> poetry:
>
>>you [referring to Wayne] are... exquisite... My only
>>excuse... is that it is very early in the morning.
>
> OPEN NOTE TO NGET:
>
> No EXCUSES are needed; the REASONS are clear.
> Writing isn't your forte; you don't belong here
> In defense of a TROLL who would have you for lunch
> If you weren't such a sic-ophant. Please get a hunch
> That this TROLL doesn't like anyone on this group.
> If you cross him you'll see just how cruelly he'll swoop.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
>
> Oh please please Wayne protect me from the big bad troll.Is that why you
> belong here, to protect others who are weak and helpless.
> I worked a full shift yesterday on a dockside crane,and then I put in
> some overtime doing other real work that men do.Now you know a little
> bit more about what I do.Is the reason you have so much time to write
> poetry here on ARBR is that being a little trike huckster takes so little
> of your time?
> You need to get a clue if you think I am able to defend Ed Dolan on this
> newsgroup.That is so dumb it is funny.LOL
>
> PS.What part of "Take a hike" don't you understand?
>
>
> --
> nget

Wayne LoGo the Poet equates me with the criminal troll. But I am a good
troll, bringing only delight, joy and eternal happiness to others. The bad
criminal troll wanted to wreck the group and that is exactly what he did.
But it is all the same to Wayne LoGo the Poet. I give him a B - on his
versifications and a failing grade (F) on his ability to think clearly about
trolls.

Actually, Wayne LoGo the Poet is not a bad troll himself. Maybe we can have
some fun playing trollish games here on ARBR. Of course, I expect him to be
a good troll like me and not become a bad criminal troll - provided he can
ever figure out the difference between the two.

Nget, don't work so hard. Take it from me - life is short and you do not
want to spend more of it than is necessary in hard labor. By the way, have
you ever read Eric Hoffer? He was a longshoreman like you and wrote quite a
few books about a variety of subjects. His "The True Believer" was his
masterpiece. That man really knew how to write plain English and he never
forgot his working class roots. I always admired him tremendously.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 18 May 2005 15:42:50
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Nget, don't work so hard. Take it from me - life is short and you d
not
want to spend more of it than is necessary in hard labor. By the way
have
you ever read Eric Hoffer? He was a longshoreman like you and wrot
quite a
few books about a variety of subjects. His "The True Believer" was his
masterpiece. That man really knew how to write plain English and h
never
forgot his working class roots. I always admired him tremendously.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

I don't sit on a crane everyday that would be boring as all get out.A fe
years back I fished on a shrimp boat.If you are thinking Forest Gump tha
is not too far off the k,only my mother never said "life is like a bo
of chocolates".
All the hard work and hard play did a number on my knees.That is why
got into cycling to help take away the pain that I was starting t
feel.Not only did it help but even the people around me see a bi
improvement.
Who knows,maybe someday I'll be a good enough writer to post on ARBR

--
nget

Date: 18 May 2005 07:26:05
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"nget" <nget.1p7qvb@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
news:nget.1p7qvb@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
>
> Nget, don't work so hard. Take it from me - life is short and you do
> not
> want to spend more of it than is necessary in hard labor. By the way,
> have
> you ever read Eric Hoffer? He was a longshoreman like you and wrote
> quite a
> few books about a variety of subjects. "The True Believer" was his
> masterpiece. That man really knew how to write plain English and he
> never
> forgot his working class roots. I always admired him tremendously.
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> I don't sit on a crane everyday that would be boring as all get out.A few
> years back I fished on a shrimp boat.If you are thinking Forest Gump that
> is not too far off the k,only my mother never said "life is like a box
> of chocolates".
> All the hard work and hard play did a number on my knees.That is why I
> got into cycling to help take away the pain that I was starting to
> feel.Not only did it help but even the people around me see a big
> improvement.
> Who knows,maybe someday I'll be a good enough writer to post on ARBR.

Nget, you post just fine here on ARBR. I go for the thought being expressed
and only pick on those who deserve to be picked on for one reason or
another.

You had the guts to stand up to the criminal troll when all the other
regular members of this group (a few exceptions) took a powder. You have no
idea what that counts for with me. I am sorely disappointed in this group by
and large because they all turned out to be such cowards. Thankfully, most
of them seem to have left the group and it is good riddance to them as far
as I am concerned. If you will not defend the group when it comes under
attack, then you do not deserve to belong to the group. Elementary, my dear
Watson!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 17 May 2005 01:58:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Date: 17 May 2005 01:01:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116294571.533871.255740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Grunts the TROLL as he lowers his trousers and squats,
> Getting ready to post (or does he have the trots?):
>
>>Another reference to excrement. Do you have a bowel
>>problem I wonder. [sic]

I have already told you that I only use a question k if and when I expect
an answer. Since there is no real question to my wondering, I do not expect
an answer. How difficult can this be.

> Run a search using Google's archive, seeking 'shit',
> On page one, thirteen entries this year (quite a bit)
> Are all signed with one name, though it missed many more.
> Haven't we heard the phrase "More Ed Gin shit" before?
> Yes, I think that we have. Will the kettle please stand
> With his black, reddened face, and his hat in his hand,
> And apologize nicely to poor Mister Pot?
> Well, he might, but I'm giving long odds he will not.

All is fair in war, and that is what was going on then. I do not wish to
revisit that episode other than to note that you were not present on the
battlefield. Cowardice is NEVER attractive!

>>From nget - mercifully ignoring his pitifully probative
> poetry:
>
>>you [referring to Wayne] are... exquisite... My only
>>excuse... is that it is very early in the morning.
>
> OPEN NOTE TO NGET:
>
> No EXCUSES are needed; the REASONS are clear.
> Writing isn't your forte;

Hells Bells! Writing is not the forte of fully 90% of the folks on this
group. What does that have to do with anything.

If you want to pick on somebody I am here for you. And I will give better
than I take, of that I can assure you.

you don't belong here
> In defense of a TROLL who would have you for lunch
> If you weren't such a sic-ophant. Please get a hunch
> That this TROLL doesn't like anyone on this group.
> If you cross him you'll see just how cruelly he'll swoop.

There are only a handful on ARBR that I have liked over the years based on
what they have written. There is not one that I would ever want to meet in
real life. That is not what newsgroups are about. I thought everyone knew
this.

As for Nget, I liked what he did on this group. He showed some guts when the
going got rough, which is more than you ever did.

> He was singing my praises as late as last week;
> Now I'm sensing a shift in the tone of TROLL-speak.
> Have I changed? No, I haven't, and neither has he,
> But he says he likes YOU, and no longer likes ME.
> He's a TROLL, only nice when his bottom gets kissed;
> Make him mad and you'll see that this TROLL does exist!

I have never liked you, nor did I ever say I did, but I liked your poetry,
and that is what I said. Surely we can distinguish the artifact from the
artist.

For instance, I think Beethoven was the greatest genius who ever lived and I
love his music, but I know I would not like him at all as a person. In fact,
I might very well hate him as a person. There is no contradiction in any of
this.

> As borne out by the TROLL's very words, maybe? Yes!:
>
>>... it is obvious what I think and that I do not much
>>care what anyone else thinks if they differ from what
>>I think... you will discover what a troll can do.
>
> OPEN NOTE TO THE TROLL:
>
> Oh, no thanks, Mr. TROLL, we've seen more than enough
> Of your ill-mannered postings, malevolent, rough,
> Constant whining... Oh, dear, you've been victimized... GEE!
> Did you like it, I wonder? Well, neither do we!

A poet should be sensitive and full of delicate feelings, but I am not - at
least not where this group is concerned. I am mostly laughing and full of
good cheer all the time I am posting to whoever, and that most definitely
includes you. Your verse cannot camouflage your very pedestrian views and
conventional thinking.

It is impossible for me to ever be "victimized" by any on this group because
of the contempt I have for most here (a few exceptions). For instance, there
is no way you could ever victimize me nor me you. That is because we are
both a couple of intellectual bastards, and those are the worst kind of
bastards in the world. We know how to hate better than most others and we
have long memories which never forget nor forgive. Welcome to the faculty
lounge!

>>I will only put a question k after a question that I want
>>an answer to... a stupid typo. We prose writers need not take
>>as much care.

I do not break up the flow of your words except when absolutely essential in
order to make an immediate point. Either quote me in full or not at all.
You do not have sense enough to paraphrase me.

> So he dangles a small preposition or two,
> But rewrites all the rules (or at least tweaks a few),
> To conform to his failings, insisting he's "Great",
> That he's literate, st - but it's slightly too late...

It makes sense to dangle prepositions from time to time and only a college
freshman English teacher would say otherwise.

I am Great because I am always the subject of the conversation, just as I am
presently with you. That is because I have the knack for saying interesting
things in an interesting way. Even with your unique ability to write verse,
no one is interested in you except yours truly (and Nget). But I am only
interested in your verse, not in you. Or did I already say that.

> In the archives at ARBR it's easy to see
> That the TROLL picks at nits, little errors which he
> Has himself far exceeded by count and in scope.
> Does it matter? It doesn't, except to a dope.

Only a nerd would do reaserch in a newsgroup archive. All conversations must
be taken in full context, just as this one should be also. To pull out words
and ideas from previous conversations which are embebbed in a thread of
which you were not a part is truly the k of a jerk.

By the way, I never make errors. Typos, yes, but not errors.

> Sigh-hh-hh... what's become of:
>
>>A good troll... observing all the rules of proper behavior
>>and proper posting... I hope bringing joy and happiness to
>>one and all... so that at least no harm is done to the
>>group... Most trolls... only want the group to prosper and
>>prevail.
>
> Perhaps the TROLL is seesawing back now to:
>
>>I don't give a shit about any of you... assholes and shit
>>heads ... That is all newsgroups are full of... I leave you
>>to yourselves. You are all a bunch of crazy bastards who
>>deserve one another. May you all [BLEEP!] one another until
>>kingdom come... there are just not enough intelligent folks
>>here for me... Cowards and idiots! That is what ARBR is full
>>of...

The above will serve me in good stead when I want to be reminded of your
essential unfairness. You have not only taken things out of context but you
have put together a potpourri which only indicts you, not me. A scoundrel is
as a scoundrel does. This has got to be the low point of anything you have
ever posted to a newsgroup. Congratulations. Now we know how low it is
possible to sink. You really ought to get acquainted with Jon Meinecke, also
of this group. He goes in for this kind of crap too.

I am a complex person and a simple poet like you will never be able to
figure me out. That is why poets should only write about love and death -
and other abstract matters that the average normal person does not give a
damn about. Do not try to be a scholar. Abhor all research. Stick to being a
poet where honesty doesn't matter.

>That's about as likely to build confidence in the 'goodness'
>of a TROLL as:
>
>>I also have never been obscene... just because I believe
>>[NAME WITHELD TO PROTECT THE (RELATIVELY) INNOCENT] is a
>>[BLEEP!-ing] asshole is not an obscenity...

There is good old fashion swearing and then there are those who have piss
and shit on the brain all the time. I am of the former disposition, you are
of the latter disposition. A poet who has piss and shit on the brain! It is
better to be a swearer.

> Some political putzes use 'spin' -
> "Folks, my heart is pure GOLD," though it's tin.
> Here at ARBR that spin doesn't work,
> Since the archives will show what a jerk
> ARBR's TROLL's been - both snotty and rude,
> Plus combative, abusive and lewd.

Taking things out of context ks you for a real jerk in a class by
yourself. I will stand behind and defend every word I have ever written to
anyone anywhere. But the entire conversation will have to be resurrected,
not just bits and pieces that you pull out of context. What a jerk!

> Number six on the list: Just BE NICE!
> Before sniping, please stop and think twice.
> If the good of the group's on your mind,
> Please stop showing your hairy behind!
> We've been mooned much too often by TROLLS
> And occasional "brother a-holes".

Everything with me is tit for tat as you are now discovering. There is no
point in being nice to "brother a-holes" who are not nice in return.

Note how the poet here again reverts to images of excrement - "brother
a-holes." He might just as well give up on the verse and join the rest of us
slobs in telling it like it is. Let's face it, there is no nice way of
telling someone that he is an asshole.

> For this group to get back to the place
> Where more readers return, simple GRACE
> Is what's needed, not conflict and spite,
> Not a TROLL who's just itchin' to fight...
> Though by whatever standards you choose,
> He's outwitted, and he's gonna lose.

You wouldn't know grace if it hit you in the face.

You are going to lose because I can write prose a hundred times faster than
you can write verse. We will leave the question of wit up to the reader.

I believe ARBR has been permanently ruined by the criminal troll episode and
that the group is never going to get back to where it was. There is a lesson
here for all of us who know how to think about things. But the poet thinks
all trolls are the same and has nary a word to say about the criminal troll
who destroyed this group. That is why poets and artists in general are never
to be trusted with anything important. Let them write their verses for our
amusement, but do not take them any more serious that you would a circus
clown.

> In my verse about Billy Goat Gruff,
> I was temperate, though it was tough.
> Where the goat made an offer of 'PEACE',
> Now it's changed to the much stronger 'CEASE';
> And plain text has been changed to a link
> That's unkind, but deserved, don't you think?

There is not one person in a hundred on this group who will understand the
above stanza. Why write anything unless you want to be understood.

In the future I will take on your thoughts one by one irrespective of the
quality of your verse, unless you restrict yourself to writing about love
and death of course.

> Regards,
> Wayne

I used to put "Regards" on my signature too until I learned it was a
politeness wasted on ARBR. A better sign-off would be "F*** You Too" since
that is what is mostly going on here.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. It should be noted that Wayne has now devoted several posts to attacking
me, even dredging up ancient history in the process of doing so (something I
have never done to anyone). Attacking is a two way street and I now have
enough information about him based on his present posts to return the favor.
Wayne says he does not like trolls, but who is trolling who here. Others may
be confused by what is going on, but I am not.

Date: 15 May 2005 21:46:14
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Spake nget, whom-(or what)-ever that may be,
Attempting to express distaste for me:

>You are most likely a closet liberal, and this may
>just be your best chance to come out.

I mostly smiled and just ignored it, then
The gnarling gnuisance gnipped at me again:

>Sorry Wayne [sic] for me your [sic] a No Go... on
>ARBR.I [sic] don"t [sic] need someone telling me what or
>what not to say,even [sic] if he says it in ryhme [sic -
>since corrected].

*** [Please See NOTE 1 below] ***

By NGeorge, I think nget's ngot it! He (or she)
Tried humor in those shots he took at me.
If I'm to be a liberal, I guess
I must express emotional distress.

In fact I think I'll cry tonight, perhaps,
As I react to nugget's sloppy slaps;
I may succumb to such intense duress
That my reactions I cannot suppress.

At first a little giggle will slip by,
And then I'll start to laugh until I cry.
I'll scream, if folks complain because I bawl,
"Don't bug me! I'm a librul, after all..."

We libruls always seem to verge on tears,
Because some redneck drinks domestic beers,
Offending some poor Muslim in Tehran,
Or bears eat salmon on their way to spawn.

But wait a second, guys, I can't do this;
Don't libruls have to sit to take a piss? [NOTE 2]
Plus I would have to write the NRA
To cancel Lifetime membership - NO WAY!

Though compromise has always been the key
To better understanding, I can't see
The clearest path toward a happy end,
So Mr. (or Ms) Nget might be my friend...

Must I indulge my (DEEPLY!) hidden yen
To be one of my guv'nor's girlie men?
I have a rainbow spinsock on my trike,
And there must be some Democrat I'd like...

Or should I get a chopper and a truck
And learn to swagger like a Texas buck?
To chew tobacco, spittin' on the street,
And snidely sneer at everyone I meet?

I think instead I'll just keep being me,
And let the TROLL's cheerleader be what he
(Or she or it) might be behind his screen,
Anonymous and mousy, barely seen...

NOTE 1: Pleas reefer to you're favorite TROLL fore
spelling, spacingand punctuation corrections...
or do you perhaps, like most other folks here,
really not appreciate that kind of poop?[NOTE 2]

NOTE 2: Please note that since my last post was deemed
offensive, presumably because of the single word
"fertilize", these references to "excrement"
have been meticulously toned down, per request.

Queerly, querulously, quarrelsomely queried the TROLL:

>Yes, the subject is trolls. What do you think of them?
>Are they all good or are they all bad. ['.' sic; S/B '?' ?]

Yes, the subject is TROLLS; we agree on that point.
That's precisely why noses are SO(!) out of joint,
'Cuz it should be recumbents, whatever TROLLS say,
And that's why folks keep telling 'em: PLEASE GO AWAY!

For the verb, a dyslexic picks 'era', which we
Would call 'are' - present tense, plural form of 'to be'.
For the predicate, let's just use TROLLS once again:
TROLLS are TROLLS! Hallelujah, it's true, and AMEN!

In the fast-failing hope that this TROLL might shape up,
And we'll clean all the rugs once we've housetrained this pup,
I'll keep posting in rhyme, once each evening or so,
Unless readers email me to just let it go.

Number Five on the list? (though it's clearly a waste):
Snidely harping on typos shows very poor taste.
Plus you missed 'mistate', dumbbell. (I trust I can say
Snotty names that the TROLL seems to think are okay.)

Wayne
TROLL Trauma Technician

Date: 16 May 2005 22:36:15
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

LoGo USA Wrote:
> Spake nget, whom-(or what)-ever that may be,
> Attempting to express distaste for me:
>
> >You are most likely a closet liberal, and this may
> >just be your best chance to come out.
>
> I mostly smiled and just ignored it, then
> The gnarling gnuisance gnipped at me again:
>
> >Sorry Wayne [sic] for me your [sic] a No Go... on
> >ARBR.I [sic] don"t [sic] need someone telling me what or
> >what not to say,even [sic] if he says it in ryhme [sic -
> >since corrected].
>
> *** [Please See NOTE 1 below] ***
>
> By NGeorge, I think nget's ngot it! He (or she)
> Tried humor in those shots he took at me.
> If I'm to be a liberal, I guess
> I must express emotional distress.
>
> In fact I think I'll cry tonight, perhaps,
> As I react to nugget's sloppy slaps;
> I may succumb to such intense duress
> That my reactions I cannot suppress.
>
> At first a little giggle will slip by,
> And then I'll start to laugh until I cry.
> I'll scream, if folks complain because I bawl,
> "Don't bug me! I'm a librul, after all..."
>
> We libruls always seem to verge on tears,
> Because some redneck drinks domestic beers,
> Offending some poor Muslim in Tehran,
> Or bears eat salmon on their way to spawn.
>
> But wait a second, guys, I can't do this;
> Don't libruls have to sit to take a piss? [NOTE 2]
> Plus I would have to write the NRA
> To cancel Lifetime membership - NO WAY!
>
> Though compromise has always been the key
> To better understanding, I can't see
> The clearest path toward a happy end,
> So Mr. (or Ms) Nget might be my friend...
>
> Must I indulge my (DEEPLY!) hidden yen
> To be one of my guv'nor's girlie men?
> I have a rainbow spinsock on my trike,
> And there must be some Democrat I'd like...
>
> Or should I get a chopper and a truck
> And learn to swagger like a Texas buck?
> To chew tobacco, spittin' on the street,
> And snidely sneer at everyone I meet?
>
> I think instead I'll just keep being me,
> And let the TROLL's cheerleader be what he
> (Or she or it) might be behind his screen,
> Anonymous and mousy, barely seen...
>
> NOTE 1: Pleas reefer to you're favorite TROLL fore
> spelling, spacingand punctuation corrections...
> or do you perhaps, like most other folks here,
> really not appreciate that kind of poop?[NOTE 2]
>
> NOTE 2: Please note that since my last post was deemed
> offensive, presumably because of the single word
> "fertilize", these references to "excrement"
> have been meticulously toned down, per request.
>
> Queerly, querulously, quarrelsomely queried the TROLL:
>
> >Yes, the subject is trolls. What do you think of them?
> >Are they all good or are they all bad. ['.' sic; S/B '?' ?]
>
> Yes, the subject is TROLLS; we agree on that point.
> That's precisely why noses are SO(!) out of joint,
> 'Cuz it should be recumbents, whatever TROLLS say,
> And that's why folks keep telling 'em: PLEASE GO AWAY!
>
> For the verb, a dyslexic picks 'era', which we
> Would call 'are' - present tense, plural form of 'to be'.
> For the predicate, let's just use TROLLS once again:
> TROLLS are TROLLS! Hallelujah, it's true, and AMEN!
>
> In the fast-failing hope that this TROLL might shape up,
> And we'll clean all the rugs once we've housetrained this pup,
> I'll keep posting in rhyme, once each evening or so,
> Unless readers email me to just let it go.
>
> Number Five on the list? (though it's clearly a waste):
> Snidely harping on typos shows very poor taste.
> Plus you missed 'mistate', dumbbell. (I trust I can say
> Snotty names that the TROLL seems to think are okay.)
>
> Wayne
> TROLL Trauma Technician
Attack me all you want,you are nothing more than an exquisit
whiner.You have given me your $.02 sorry but there is no change.
And if you would really like to know,
I think that at last you should go.
In other words pick up ypur NoGo trike,
and please Wayne please "take a hike

--
nget

Date: 16 May 2005 22:44:21
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

nget Wrote:
> Attack me all you want,you are nothing more than an exquisite whiner.You
> have given me your $.02 sorry but there is no change.
> And if you would really like to know,
> I think that at last you should go.
> In other words pick up ypur NoGo trike,
> and please Wayne please "take a hike"

My only excuse for ypur should be your is that it is very early in the
morning.

--
nget

Date: 16 May 2005 02:02:58
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116218774.716093.120490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Spake nget, whom-(or what)-ever that may be,
> Attempting to express distaste for me:
>
>>You are most likely a closet liberal, and this may
>>just be your best chance to come out.
>
> I mostly smiled and just ignored it, then
> The gnarling gnuisance gnipped at me again:
>
>>Sorry Wayne [sic] for me your [sic] a No Go... on
>>ARBR.I [sic] don"t [sic] need someone telling me what or
>>what not to say,even [sic] if he says it in ryhme [sic -
>>since corrected].

Nget most likely does not like poetry period. Most Americans don't as you
well know. It strikes them as an affectation, most especially on a
newsgroup. So what else is new?

By the way, Nget was writing newsgroup-ese. It is a kind of shorthand way of
saying things. And it was damn clever of him to metamorphose your LoGo to No
Go. Why can't I ever think of clever things like that. I could have used it
in connection with all your urinary and scatological references.

> *** [Please See NOTE 1 below] ***
>
> By NGeorge, I think nget's ngot it! He (or she)
> Tried humor in those shots he took at me.
> If I'm to be a liberal, I guess
> I must express emotional distress.
>
> In fact I think I'll cry tonight, perhaps,
> As I react to nugget's sloppy slaps;
> I may succumb to such intense duress
> That my reactions I cannot suppress.
>
> At first a little giggle will slip by,
> And then I'll start to laugh until I cry.
> I'll scream, if folks complain because I bawl,
> "Don't bug me! I'm a librul, after all..."
>
> We libruls always seem to verge on tears,
> Because some redneck drinks domestic beers,
> Offending some poor Muslim in Tehran,
> Or bears eat salmon on their way to spawn.
>
> But wait a second, guys, I can't do this;
> Don't libruls have to sit to take a piss? [NOTE 2]
> Plus I would have to write the NRA
> To cancel Lifetime membership - NO WAY!
>
> Though compromise has always been the key
> To better understanding, I can't see
> The clearest path toward a happy end,
> So Mr. (or Ms) Nget might be my friend...
>
> Must I indulge my (DEEPLY!) hidden yen
> To be one of my guv'nor's girlie men?
> I have a rainbow spinsock on my trike,
> And there must be some Democrat I'd like...
>
> Or should I get a chopper and a truck
> And learn to swagger like a Texas buck?
> To chew tobacco, spittin' on the street,
> And snidely sneer at everyone I meet?

I appreciate the equal treatment of both stereotypical liberals and
stereotypical conservatives. Be sure to keep it that way or you will
discover what a troll can do.

> I think instead I'll just keep being me,
> And let the TROLL's cheerleader be what he
> (Or she or it) might be behind his screen,
> Anonymous and mousy, barely seen...

Nget just plain doesn't like you and it has nothing to do with me. However,
I like Nget because he stood up against the criminal troll . He was one of
the few who showed some guts. Where were you I might ask? Courage is the
greatest of all the virtues because it makes possible all the other virtues.

> NOTE 1: Pleas reefer to you're favorite TROLL fore
> spelling, spacingand punctuation corrections...
> or do you perhaps, like most other folks here,
> really not appreciate that kind of poop?[NOTE 2]
>
>
> NOTE 2: Please note that since my last post was deemed
> offensive, presumably because of the single word
> "fertilize", these references to "excrement"
> have been meticulously toned down, per request.

You have shit and piss on the brain I am afraid and it ruins your verse. A
single allusion to those bodily functions is enough to dirty the mind of the
reader. I am surprised you do not know that - or is that your intention. Sex
is another subject that the poet should stay away from as it too soils the
mind of the reader.

[...]

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 16 May 2005 01:16:43
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1116218774.716093.120490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Queerly, querulously, quarrelsomely queried the TROLL:
>
>>Yes, the subject is trolls. What do you think of them?
>>Are they all good or are they all bad. ['.' sic; S/B '?' ?]

I will only put a question k after a question that I want an answer to.
Other seeming questions are not really that at all. They are in the nature
of a rhetorical question which does not call for an answer as it is obvious
what I think and that I do not much care what anyone else thinks if they
differ from what I think.

> Yes, the subject is TROLLS; we agree on that point.
> That's precisely why noses are SO(!) out of joint,
> 'Cuz it should be recumbents, whatever TROLLS say,
> And that's why folks keep telling 'em: PLEASE GO AWAY!
>
> For the verb, a dyslexic picks 'era', which we
> Would call 'are' - present tense, plural form of 'to be'.
> For the predicate, let's just use TROLLS once again:
> TROLLS are TROLLS! Hallelujah, it's true, and AMEN!

I am using the word trolls in a slightly different context than you are
which is why I used the singular. If I had said the subject is a troll, that
is not what I would have meant at all. The subject ARE trolls does not look
right and it does not sound right. And I sure as hell did not want to say
that trolls are the subject. No, I meant the subject IS trolls!

> In the fast-failing hope that this TROLL might shape up,
> And we'll clean all the rugs once we've housetrained this pup,
> I'll keep posting in rhyme, once each evening or so,
> Unless readers email me to just let it go.

Another reference to excrement. Do you have a bowel problem I wonder.

I suggest you post your rhymes only once a week as quality is more important
than quantity. Too much quantity without quality and no one will bother with
you, let alone send you emails.

> Number Five on the list? (though it's clearly a waste):
> Snidely harping on typos shows very poor taste.
> Plus you missed 'mistate', dumbbell. (I trust I can say
> Snotty names that the TROLL seems to think are okay.)

If you are going to write poetry, you had best take some pains so as to
prevent typos as there is nothing that destroys the effect you are striving
for more than a stupid typo. We prose writers need not take as much care.
That is one of the chief advantages of prose as opposed to verse.

I think dumbbell is correct, or at least my spell checker thinks so. You use
the kind of words you want to use and I will do the same.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 15 May 2005 09:41:03
From:
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

I rather like those Norweigan trolls eBay is advertising above.
Perhaps an Alternative Troll forum deserves consideration!

Chris

Date: 15 May 2005 09:30:45
From:
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Hmmm. But tell me: are you saved??? ;-)

Chris

Date: 15 May 2005 16:28:10
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:58:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <4tmdnZMxJPMB_hrfRVn-rQ@prairiewave.com >:

>First off, there are good trolls and then there are bad trolls.

No, just trolls. But thanks for confirming you are one, it saves a
lot of time in the end.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Date: 16 May 2005 02:26:10
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

Just zis Guy, you know? Wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:58:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <4tmdnZMxJPMB_hrfRVn-rQ@prairiewave.com>:
>
> >First off, there are good trolls and then there are bad trolls.
>
> No, just trolls. But thanks for confirming you are one, it saves a
> lot of time in the end.
>
> Guy
> --
> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
> http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>
> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Personally I don't believe that there are such things as trolls.Peopl
just made that up so that when they can't win the argument they ca
accuse the other person of being less than human.Once that person i
viewed as less than human the attack can begin.
It is good that people will moderate themselves and allow as many wh
believe in free speech to post here on ARBR.I don"t need someon
telling me what or what not to say,even if he says it in ryhme

--
nget

Date: 15 May 2005 12:20:01
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"nget" <nget.1p304n@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
news:nget.1p304n@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
>
> Just zis Guy, you know? Wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:58:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
>> wrote in message <4tmdnZMxJPMB_hrfRVn-rQ@prairiewave.com>:
>>
>> >First off, there are good trolls and then there are bad trolls.
>>
>> No, just trolls. But thanks for confirming you are one, it saves a
>> lot of time in the end.
>>
>> Guy
>> --
>> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
>> http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>>
>> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
>
> Personally I don't believe that there are such things as trolls.People
> just made that up so that when they can't win the argument they can
> accuse the other person of being less than human.Once that person is
> viewed as less than human the attack can begin.
> It is good that people will moderate themselves and allow as many who
> believe in free speech to post here on ARBR.I don"t need someone
> telling me what or what not to say,even if he says it in rhyme.

Nget has got that right about 95% of all so-called trolls. Nevertheless, we
have all had to learn a hard lesson that there are such creatures as true,
destructive trolls. They can easily take down a newsgroup by acting like
criminal scum and there is not much an unmoderated newsgroup can or will do
about it. Thankfully, this type of troll is rare. Most trolls are good
natured like me and only want the group to prosper and prevail. It is
passing strange to me that some are unable to make these most elementary
discriminations. To say that there are just trolls and let it go at that is
just plain wrong.

Mazzoleni was another example of a good troll that this newsgroup was
blessed with for a time. But, unlike me, he was a one note Johnny.

I think the main criticism I have noted of me over the years is that I get
off topic a lot. But surely most others here are blathering on and on about
recumbents and I do not need to add to it. I provide some relief from that,
even if it is only comic relief.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 16 May 2005 02:38:32
From: nget
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

I was never told I was dyslectic,and it should be rhyme

--
nget

Date: 15 May 2005 11:30:45
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:njqe81pa4999se4iuaonhpkfugsrmd4uh8@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:58:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <4tmdnZMxJPMB_hrfRVn-rQ@prairiewave.com>:
>
>>First off, there are good trolls and then there are bad trolls.
>
> No, just trolls. But thanks for confirming you are one, it saves a
> lot of time in the end.
>
> Guy

Comments from the Peanut Gallery are not appreciated. Furthermore, it is a
waste of time to waste words on Guy Chapman of England - and so I won't!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 17 May 2005 18:46:02
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:30:45 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <bv6dnVMSpKaq5BrfRVn-gQ@prairiewave.com >:

>Comments from the Peanut Gallery are not appreciated. Furthermore, it is a
>waste of time to waste words on Guy Chapman of England - and so I won't!

Lucky me.

It'll be a long time (if ever) before this group recovers from the
destruction you wrought, Ed. And I'm absolutely serious about that.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Date: 17 May 2005 14:24:36
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:icbk81dap7e787pl1ch4veigmirsqlm3t1@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:30:45 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <bv6dnVMSpKaq5BrfRVn-gQ@prairiewave.com>:
>
>>Comments from the Peanut Gallery are not appreciated. Furthermore, it is a
>>waste of time to waste words on Guy Chapman of England - and so I won't!
>
> Lucky me.
>
> It'll be a long time (if ever) before this group recovers from the
> destruction you wrought, Ed. And I'm absolutely serious about that.
>
> Guy

Guy Chapman of the UK has of course got me confused with that other Ed, the
one who brought down the group. I was here for several years and the only
effect I ever had was to liven up this dead place a bit.

The only time Guy Chapman comes to life is when you get him on the subject
of helmets. I don't believe there is a more tiresome subject in all cycling,
since it is an open and shut case to all except for those few lawbreakers
who were apparently born deaf and dumb and are not susceptible to common
sense.

But Guy Chapman is never serious about anything any more than I am. He
pretends to be serious but I know he is not. My virtue is that I do not even
pretend to be serious. Like me, Guy Chapman is a troll too. But I am a great
big huge bug and he is gnat too small to even swat. He just buzzes around
your head with the intention of driving you crazy.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 17 May 2005 21:14:42
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:24:36 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote in message <c7-dneL23p9k2RffRVn-hw@prairiewave.com >:

>> It'll be a long time (if ever) before this group recovers from the
>> destruction you wrought, Ed. And I'm absolutely serious about that.

>Guy Chapman of the UK has of course got me confused with that other Ed, the
>one who brought down the group. I was here for several years and the only
>effect I ever had was to liven up this dead place a bit.

By driving away everybody whose political opinions you disagreed with.
Which was, by my count, pretty much everybody except yourself.

No, I haven't confused the two Eds, and you know it. Monkey pox is
transient, you are a festering sore. Sure, you are less pustulent now
than at some times in the past, but this has turned into alt.ed.dolan,
and I have insufficient interest in that to keep up the effort of
reading.

>The only time Guy Chapman comes to life is when you get him on the subject
>of helmets. I don't believe there is a more tiresome subject in all cycling,
>since it is an open and shut case to all except for those few lawbreakers
>who were apparently born deaf and dumb and are not susceptible to common
>sense.

So you say. What a shame that there is no known case where cyclist
safety has improved as a result of increased helmet use. Naughty
population! Bad population! It's as if nobody has told them that
magic styrofoam hats confer invulnerability.

Come back when you've read this lot:

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Research_Evidence

>But Guy Chapman is never serious about anything any more than I am. He
>pretends to be serious but I know he is not.

Seems you're wrong there as well.

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1121

OK, enough. I've unsubscribed.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Date: 18 May 2005 07:41:40
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: The Subject is Trolls

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:vpjk81lcol4uik404crlf6qnlsea4m2knu@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:24:36 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote in message <c7-dneL23p9k2RffRVn-hw@prairiewave.com>:
>
>>> It'll be a long time (if ever) before this group recovers from the
>>> destruction you wrought, Ed. And I'm absolutely serious about that.
>
>>Guy Chapman of the UK has of course got me confused with that other Ed,
>>the
>>one who brought down the group. I was here for several years and the only
>>effect I ever had was to liven up this dead place a bit.
>
> By driving away everybody whose political opinions you disagreed with.
> Which was, by my count, pretty much everybody except yourself.

I brought some balance to the political discussions. Prior to my arrival
there was nothing but liberal rants being posted - and on subject threads
too that had nothing to do with politics. I mean, just how much did you
expect a sensible soul like myself would or could take.

> No, I haven't confused the two Eds, and you know it. Monkey pox is
> transient, you are a festering sore. Sure, you are less pustulent now
> than at some times in the past, but this has turned into alt.ed.dolan,
> and I have insufficient interest in that to keep up the effort of
> reading.

You will always read what I have to say on this group because I know how to
say interesting things in an interesting way. I bring some color into your
otherwise drab life. To compare me with the criminal troll is insane. Are
you insane?

>>The only time Guy Chapman comes to life is when you get him on the subject
>>of helmets. I don't believe there is a more tiresome subject in all
>>cycling,
>>since it is an open and shut case to all except for those few lawbreakers
>>who were apparently born deaf and dumb and are not susceptible to common
>>sense.
>
> So you say. What a shame that there is no known case where cyclist
> safety has improved as a result of increased helmet use. Naughty
> population! Bad population! It's as if nobody has told them that
> magic styrofoam hats confer invulnerability.
>
> Come back when you've read this lot:
>
> http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Research_Evidence
>
>>But Guy Chapman is never serious about anything any more than I am. He
>>pretends to be serious but I know he is not.
>
> Seems you're wrong there as well.
>
> http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1121
>
> OK, enough. I've unsubscribed.
>
> Guy

See what I mean! I think this subject having to do with helmets is the one
thing Guy Chapman of the UK is actually serious about - which is very
disheartening to say the least. If you want to retain your sanity, never, I
repeat never, get into a discussion with Guy Chapman of the UK about
helmets!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota