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Date: 02 Mar 2005 20:15:33
From: Joshua Goldberg
Subject: nice to be back
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Just noticed the lack of politics & swearing here...Ahhhhh how nice, be nice if it stays this way. Life really really sucks and it is nice to visit a message board of people who share a common interest who can drift in and ask about a BB or spoke gauge and not have to deal with Twerps who accuse them of sleeping with their mother or are sheep fanciers or that they are merely tools of the red or yellow menace. Was thinking, a few days ago someone asked me why I started riding recumbents and I had to think about it. I could have listed all the classic reasons everyone tosses out to explain why bents are so good, but my reply was this. When I was a little kid I saw a Red pedal Go-Kart and I wanted one. One of my playmates got one and I wanted one too...went through holding my breath, crying, torturing the cocker spaniel my mom loved, trashed my room and finally emptied my piggy bank and went off and bought one. Got home and my mom took it back to the store...I hated her for that. My mom kept saying that I was too young and I would just end up hurting myself and she was protecting me cause she loved me (almost as much as her damn cocker spaniel). So...27 years ago I bought my first recumbent, a nice Yellow Tadpole and I took it out and flipped it at 30 mph. Over the next several months I was seeing the inside of ambulances so often the para medics figured I was either the most unlucky cyclist in history or I had a fetish for Saline I-V Drips. So I guess I got into recubment trikes because my mother thought I'd hurt myself on a pedal Go-Kart....she was probably quite right. Not quite sure why I got 16 more bents after the tadpole, but I reckon I was determined to prove that EVENTUALLY I would find the perfect bent that I did not have near death experiences on..but I also came to the conclusion that I would likely miss facing my own demise on every ride, I'd miss the Rush and the feeling that I get when I complete a ride and think....WOW I made it through THAT mine field of stupid car drivers in one piece. Joshua ******
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Date: 04 Mar 2005 08:48:05
From: Dex
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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On Wed, 2 2005 20:15:33 -0500, "Joshua Goldberg" <evsolutions@rogers.com > wrote: >Just noticed the lack of politics & swearing here...Ahhhhh how nice, be nice >if it stays this way. Life really really sucks and it is nice to visit a >message board of people who share a common interest who can drift in and ask >about a BB or spoke gauge and not have to deal with Twerps who accuse them >of sleeping with their mother or are sheep fanciers or that they are merely >tools of the red or yellow menace. > >Was thinking, a few days ago someone asked me why I started riding >recumbents and I had to think about it. I could have listed all the classic >reasons everyone tosses out to explain why bents are so good, but my reply >was this. > >When I was a little kid I saw a Red pedal Go-Kart and I wanted one. >One of my playmates got one and I wanted one too...went through holding my >breath, crying, torturing the cocker spaniel my mom loved, trashed my room >and finally emptied my piggy bank and went off and bought one. Got home and >my mom took it back to the store...I hated her for that. > >My mom kept saying that I was too young and I would just end up hurting >myself and she was protecting me cause she loved me (almost as much as her >damn cocker spaniel). > >So...27 years ago I bought my first recumbent, a nice Yellow Tadpole and I >took it out and flipped it at 30 mph. Over the next several months I was >seeing the inside of ambulances so often the para medics figured I was >either the most unlucky cyclist in history or I had a fetish for Saline I-V >Drips. > >So I guess I got into recubment trikes because my mother thought I'd hurt >myself on a pedal Go-Kart....she was probably quite right. > >Not quite sure why I got 16 more bents after the tadpole, but I reckon I was >determined to prove that EVENTUALLY I would find the perfect bent that I did >not have near death experiences on..but I also came to the conclusion that I >would likely miss facing my own demise on every ride, I'd miss the Rush and >the feeling that I get when I complete a ride and think....WOW I made it >through THAT mine field of stupid car drivers in one piece. > >Joshua >****** > I really like riding recumbents, I have a Vision V40 SWB - USS and a Rans Screamer Tandem. I find if I lose a pedal while spinning, it can spell disaster. Once coasting down a steep hill on a bike trail, I decided to start pedaling again. I shifted up a couple of notches, and started to spin the cranks again. My foot slipped off one of the pedals, and it upset my balance and I swerved off the trail into some soft dirt on the shoulder. I had to brake hard to try to save a spill. The front wheel locked up, I did part of an endo that flipped me over the front of the bike, and I landed running. My legs couldn't keep up and I fell to the ground quite hard. Luckily, I only scratched the back of my hand, and the bike was undamaged. Anyone else have any similar experiences? Dex Henschel
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Date: 15 Mar 2005 00:35:17
From: TrailBarge
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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All these guys (below) may well be right, but I've already blown several grand on my 'bent and going clipless is something I may look into if I feel like crying. I'd feel like crying because it would be hell for me to find the equipment. Namely, shoes. I guess than I am sold enough on clipless if i could get my size 15 feet into comfortable shoes and pedals for less than $150. (Shaddup... I know that it's not going to happen). I'm 6'4", 280 lbs and have big feet. I can't find biking shoes, inline skates, hiking boots or cars that fit me. If I find gloves that I can squeeze my hamfisted paws into, I buy 3 pair. Not meaning (but probably succeeding, anyway) to sound like a sob story, the point is that I have ridden my 'bent over 2000 miles without mishap... without clips. I use sneakers in cold weather and Tevas in warm. I don't have a particularly low BB, either (Burley Canto)... 'bout even with the seat. Then again, the numbers above may tell you that I am tour oriented, not performance. I ride without regard to cadence, carbo loading or schedule. I stop for pretty views, pretty girls and pretty much anything that takes my fancy. Perhaps I have never slipped a pedal because I am never pushing myself to the point where I lose the sprite in my legs enough to make it a danger. Sure, clipless would be great... but I'm here to tell you that we need not get all hyperbolic about them. To me, clipless pedals for 'bents is like GPS navigation for cars. Cool, desirable, possibly extending your capability, but ghastly expensive and NOT absolutely necessary. TrailBarge ----------------------------------------------------------- Anyone else have any similar experiences? Say after me: Clipless pedals are an absolute necessity on a recumbent... No, because I use clipless pedals, and highly recommend that other recumbent riders do likewise. Not only is it safer (for the reasons you outlined, plus virtually impossible to get leg suck) but it means no effort is required to hold your feet in place (potentially an issue with relatively high bottom brackets compared to the seat). And they're also more efficient for pedalling, which means less work. Unless you have some particular problem with clipless for some reason (e.g., you can't twist at your ankles for some reason so can't release) there really aren't too many good reasons not to use them. Almost had that happen, invest in clip-on pedals, not only will your foot not slip off but you will generate much more power But I also use "clipless" pedals, so my feet aren't very likely to come out.
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Date: 26 Mar 2005 15:38:53
From: Mike Rice
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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On Tue, 15 2005 00:35:17 -0500, "TrailBarge" <xxx@yyy.zzz > wrote: >All these guys (below) may well be right, but I've already blown several >grand on my 'bent and going clipless is something I may look into if I feel >like crying. I'd feel like crying because it would be hell for me to find >the equipment. Namely, shoes. > With my size 14's I had a hard time finding biking shoes when I decided to try clipless, especially since I have a wide foot with narrow heel. I loved the feeling of the clipless pedals, but I will be taking them off my Tour Easy this spring. My knees don't seem to like them so very well. Plus I nearly injured myself getting out of them in an emergency stop. So Now I'm considering Power Grips. My foot size makes the toe clips a little less than perfect, because not enough of my large foot can get into the cage. Mike > >Sure, clipless would be great... but I'm here to tell you that we need not >get all hyperbolic about them. To me, clipless pedals for 'bents is like >GPS navigation for cars. Cool, desirable, possibly extending your >capability, but ghastly expensive and NOT absolutely necessary. > >TrailBarge > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Anyone else have any similar experiences? > > >Say after me: Clipless pedals are an absolute necessity on a recumbent... > >No, because I use clipless pedals, and highly recommend that other recumbent >riders do likewise. Not only is it safer (for the reasons you outlined, >plus virtually impossible to get leg suck) but it means no effort is >required to hold your feet in place (potentially an issue with relatively >high bottom brackets compared to the seat). And they're also more efficient >for pedalling, which means less work. > >Unless you have some particular problem with clipless for some reason (e.g., >you can't twist at your ankles for some reason so can't release) there >really aren't too many good reasons not to use them. > >Almost had that happen, invest in clip-on pedals, not only will your foot >not slip off but you will generate much more power > >But I also use "clipless" pedals, so my feet aren't very likely to come out. >
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Date: 15 Mar 2005 05:03:07
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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TrailBarge wrote: > All these guys (below) may well be right, but I've already blown several > grand on my 'bent and going clipless is something I may look into if I feel > like crying. I'd feel like crying because it would be hell for me to find > the equipment. Namely, shoes. > > I guess than I am sold enough on clipless if i could get my size 15 feet > into comfortable shoes and pedals for less than $150. (Shaddup... I know > that it's not going to happen). > > I'm 6'4", 280 lbs and have big feet. I can't find biking shoes, inline > skates, hiking boots or cars that fit me. If I find gloves that I can > squeeze my hamfisted paws into, I buy 3 pair. > > Not meaning (but probably succeeding, anyway) to sound like a sob story, the > point is that I have ridden my 'bent over 2000 miles without mishap... > without clips. I use sneakers in cold weather and Tevas in warm. I don't > have a particularly low BB, either (Burley Canto)... 'bout even with the > seat.... Being level with the seat is a low BB. Riding without foot retention with a BB 20-35 cm above seat level is not a good idea. Here is a low cost alternative foot retention system that works reasonably well and does not require special shoes: <http://powergrips.com/ >. -- Tom Sherman - Earth (Illinois)
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Date: 15 Mar 2005 09:41:20
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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TrailBarge wrote: > Then again, the numbers above may tell you that I am tour oriented, not > performance. As am I... > Sure, clipless would be great... but I'm here to tell you that we need not > get all hyperbolic about them. To me, clipless pedals for 'bents is like > GPS navigation for cars. Cool, desirable, possibly extending your > capability, but ghastly expensive and NOT absolutely necessary. I'd say more like a heater/cool air for cars rather than GPS. You don't /need/ it, but it makes life easier to the point that it'd be missed if it wasn't there and you were used to it. Note that clipless sandals are less size critical than shoes, and with your soles pointing into the wind anyway and legs in line rather than directly against it cold feet is less of an issue than on a wedgie. So maybe those would work for you? Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 15 Mar 2005 04:58:16
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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Peter Clinch wrote: > ... > Note that clipless sandals are less size critical than shoes, and with > your soles pointing into the wind anyway and legs in line rather than > directly against it cold feet is less of an issue than on a wedgie. So > maybe those would work for you? In my experience, the combination of sandals, heavy wool socks and windproof oversocks is warmer than regular cycling shoes with neoprene covers. -- Tom Sherman - Earth (Illinois)
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Date: 07 Mar 2005 15:10:27
From: Freewheeling
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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Dex: You must've had a "flip-it" stem, right? I can't imagine anything that fortuitous happening with my fixed stem, although it's fairly unlikely I'd go over the front anyway, with my weight. But I also use "clipless" pedals, so my feet aren't very likely to come out. --Scott "Dex" <dexnjan@netscape.com > wrote in message news:1109947682.ca27396c3509371ce5407299167ceab6@teranews... > On Wed, 2 2005 20:15:33 -0500, "Joshua Goldberg" > <evsolutions@rogers.com> wrote: > >>Just noticed the lack of politics & swearing here...Ahhhhh how nice, be >>nice >>if it stays this way. Life really really sucks and it is nice to visit a >>message board of people who share a common interest who can drift in and >>ask >>about a BB or spoke gauge and not have to deal with Twerps who accuse them >>of sleeping with their mother or are sheep fanciers or that they are >>merely >>tools of the red or yellow menace. >> >>Was thinking, a few days ago someone asked me why I started riding >>recumbents and I had to think about it. I could have listed all the >>classic >>reasons everyone tosses out to explain why bents are so good, but my reply >>was this. >> >>When I was a little kid I saw a Red pedal Go-Kart and I wanted one. >>One of my playmates got one and I wanted one too...went through holding my >>breath, crying, torturing the cocker spaniel my mom loved, trashed my room >>and finally emptied my piggy bank and went off and bought one. Got home >>and >>my mom took it back to the store...I hated her for that. >> >>My mom kept saying that I was too young and I would just end up hurting >>myself and she was protecting me cause she loved me (almost as much as her >>damn cocker spaniel). >> >>So...27 years ago I bought my first recumbent, a nice Yellow Tadpole and I >>took it out and flipped it at 30 mph. Over the next several months I was >>seeing the inside of ambulances so often the para medics figured I was >>either the most unlucky cyclist in history or I had a fetish for Saline >>I-V >>Drips. >> >>So I guess I got into recubment trikes because my mother thought I'd hurt >>myself on a pedal Go-Kart....she was probably quite right. >> >>Not quite sure why I got 16 more bents after the tadpole, but I reckon I >>was >>determined to prove that EVENTUALLY I would find the perfect bent that I >>did >>not have near death experiences on..but I also came to the conclusion that >>I >>would likely miss facing my own demise on every ride, I'd miss the Rush >>and >>the feeling that I get when I complete a ride and think....WOW I made it >>through THAT mine field of stupid car drivers in one piece. >> >>Joshua >>****** >> > > > I really like riding recumbents, I have a Vision V40 SWB - USS and a > Rans Screamer Tandem. > I find if I lose a pedal while spinning, it can spell disaster. Once > coasting down a steep hill on a bike trail, I decided to start > pedaling again. I shifted up a couple of notches, and started to spin > the cranks again. My foot slipped off one of the pedals, and it > upset my balance and I swerved off the trail into some soft dirt on > the shoulder. I had to brake hard to try to save a spill. The front > wheel locked up, I did part of an endo that flipped me over the front > of the bike, and I landed running. My legs couldn't keep up and I > fell to the ground quite hard. Luckily, I only scratched the back of > my hand, and the bike was undamaged. > Anyone else have any similar experiences? > Dex Henschel
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Date: 04 Mar 2005 17:38:05
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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"Dex" <dexnjan@netscape.com > wrote in message news:1109947682.ca27396c3509371ce5407299167ceab6@teranews... > > I really like riding recumbents, I have a Vision V40 SWB - USS and a > Rans Screamer Tandem. > I find if I lose a pedal while spinning, it can spell disaster. Once > coasting down a steep hill on a bike trail, I decided to start > pedaling again. I shifted up a couple of notches, and started to spin > the cranks again. My foot slipped off one of the pedals, and it > upset my balance and I swerved off the trail into some soft dirt on > the shoulder. I had to brake hard to try to save a spill. The front > wheel locked up, I did part of an endo that flipped me over the front > of the bike, and I landed running. My legs couldn't keep up and I > fell to the ground quite hard. Luckily, I only scratched the back of > my hand, and the bike was undamaged. > Anyone else have any similar experiences? > Dex Henschel Almost had that happen, invest in clip-on pedals, not only will your foot not slip off but you will generate much more power
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Date: 04 Mar 2005 15:38:51
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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Dex wrote: > I find if I lose a pedal while spinning, it can spell disaster. Once > coasting down a steep hill on a bike trail, I decided to start > pedaling again. I shifted up a couple of notches, and started to spin > the cranks again. My foot slipped off one of the pedals, and it > upset my balance and I swerved off the trail into some soft dirt on > the shoulder. I had to brake hard to try to save a spill. The front > wheel locked up, I did part of an endo that flipped me over the front > of the bike, and I landed running. My legs couldn't keep up and I > fell to the ground quite hard. Luckily, I only scratched the back of > my hand, and the bike was undamaged. > Anyone else have any similar experiences? Say after me: Clipless pedals are an absolute necessity on a recumbent... -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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Date: 04 Mar 2005 15:42:23
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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Dex wrote: > I find if I lose a pedal while spinning, it can spell disaster. <snip > > Anyone else have any similar experiences? No, because I use clipless pedals, and highly recommend that other recumbent riders do likewise. Not only is it safer (for the reasons you outlined, plus virtually impossible to get leg suck) but it means no effort is required to hold your feet in place (potentially an issue with relatively high bottom brackets compared to the seat). And they're also more efficient for pedalling, which means less work. Unless you have some particular problem with clipless for some reason (e.g., you can't twist at your ankles for some reason so can't release) there really aren't too many good reasons not to use them. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 02 Mar 2005 22:38:05
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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"Joshua Goldberg" <evsolutions@rogers.com > wrote in message news:v4adnU5FAs_a-LvfRVn-3A@rogers.com... > > So...27 years ago I bought my first recumbent, a nice Yellow Tadpole and I > took it out and flipped it at 30 mph. Over the next several months I was > seeing the inside of ambulances so often the para medics figured I was > either the most unlucky cyclist in history or I had a fetish for Saline I-V > Drips. Damn, how well did the yellow tadpole fare?
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Date: 03 Mar 2005 02:28:01
From: rocketman
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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"Joshua Goldberg" <evsolutions@rogers.com > wrote in message news:v4adnU5FAs_a-LvfRVn-3A@rogers.com... > Just noticed the lack of politics & swearing here...Ahhhhh how nice, be > nice if it stays this way. Life really really sucks and it is nice to > visit a message board of people who share a common interest who can drift > in and ask about a BB or spoke gauge and not have to deal with Twerps who > accuse them of sleeping with their mother or are sheep fanciers or that > they are merely tools of the red or yellow menace. > > Was thinking, a few days ago someone asked me why I started riding > recumbents and I had to think about it. I could have listed all the > classic reasons everyone tosses out to explain why bents are so good, but > my reply was this. > > When I was a little kid I saw a Red pedal Go-Kart and I wanted one. > One of my playmates got one and I wanted one too...went through holding my > breath, crying, torturing the cocker spaniel my mom loved, trashed my room > and finally emptied my piggy bank and went off and bought one. Got home > and my mom took it back to the store...I hated her for that. > > My mom kept saying that I was too young and I would just end up hurting > myself and she was protecting me cause she loved me (almost as much as her > damn cocker spaniel). > > So...27 years ago I bought my first recumbent, a nice Yellow Tadpole and I > took it out and flipped it at 30 mph. Over the next several months I was > seeing the inside of ambulances so often the para medics figured I was > either the most unlucky cyclist in history or I had a fetish for Saline > I-V Drips. > > So I guess I got into recubment trikes because my mother thought I'd hurt > myself on a pedal Go-Kart....she was probably quite right. > > Not quite sure why I got 16 more bents after the tadpole, but I reckon I > was determined to prove that EVENTUALLY I would find the perfect bent that > I did not have near death experiences on..but I also came to the > conclusion that I would likely miss facing my own demise on every ride, > I'd miss the Rush and the feeling that I get when I complete a ride and > think....WOW I made it through THAT mine field of stupid car drivers in > one piece. > > Joshua > ****** Welcome back, Joshua. Great story. I had no idea how much you bled in the name of early recumbent technology! Who was selling tadpole trikes in 1978? Was it a Masa Slingshot? The first tadpole trike I ever saw was the one I bought used almost 8 years ago (and recently sold), which dated back to the late 1980's. If I had known they existed back '78, it would have been hard to choose between a tadpole trike and my Ohio Scientific Superboard II microcomputer ($325 with the 8k memory upgrade). Ah, that was a great year. We have something in common: go-kart envy. My dad, not a mean person; but sometimes terribly insensitive, had a go-kart that we were allowed to ride. One detail: It had no engine. So we had to push each other around. Hey, it was good exercise, and taught us to cooperate and to share the toys. Well, it taught me to cooperate. I'm not so sure about my sister. Anyway, when I finally did get to ride a real go-kart, I was hooked. But I also loved bikes, and cars. Maybe that's why I now ride a beautiful 2005 Catrike Speed, my "pedalled go-kart," and drive a 2000 BMW Z3 Roadster, which "corners like a go-kart." Looking forward to reading more of your wonderful stories. R
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Date: 02 Mar 2005 21:02:29
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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rocketman (B.S.) wrote: > Welcome back, Joshua. Great story. I had no idea how much you bled in the > name of early recumbent technology! Who was selling tadpole trikes in 1978? > Was it a Masa Slingshot?... Here is a picture of a Masa Slingshot for those who have not seen one <http://home.mindspring.com/~kb7mxu/images/slingshot.jpg >. -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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Date: 02 Mar 2005 22:39:18
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com > wrote in message news:38ncpkF5q0auqU1@individual.net... > rocketman (B.S.) wrote: > > > Welcome back, Joshua. Great story. I had no idea how much you bled in the > > name of early recumbent technology! Who was selling tadpole trikes in 1978? > > Was it a Masa Slingshot?... > > Here is a picture of a Masa Slingshot for those who have not seen one > <http://home.mindspring.com/~kb7mxu/images/slingshot.jpg>. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Earth I almost like that one better than most current trikes, is that a primative bumper on the front?
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Date: 03 Mar 2005 15:04:00
From: rocketman
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message news:H9SdnXK5nsMjCbvfRVn-1Q@comcast.com... > > "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message > news:38ncpkF5q0auqU1@individual.net... >> rocketman (B.S.) wrote: >> >> > Welcome back, Joshua. Great story. I had no idea how much you bled in > the >> > name of early recumbent technology! Who was selling tadpole trikes in > 1978? >> > Was it a Masa Slingshot?... >> >> Here is a picture of a Masa Slingshot for those who have not seen one >> <http://home.mindspring.com/~kb7mxu/images/slingshot.jpg>. >> >> -- >> Tom Sherman - Earth > > I almost like that one better than most current trikes, is that a > primative > bumper on the front? Looks like a triple-purpose device: Bumper, airfoil and snow blade :-) I agree that the Masa was an interesting design. If I ever see one used for reasonable $$ I'll probably buy it. Sometime I wish my Catrike Speed had a longer wheelbase like the Masa trike. Catrike steering can be, ahh, rather "thrilling" at times. R
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Date: 03 Mar 2005 15:34:29
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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rocketman wrote: > Sometime I wish my Catrike Speed had a longer wheelbase like the Masa > trike. Catrike steering can be, ahh, rather "thrilling" at times. By all accounts that of the Masa was something more than thrilling. "Borderline dangerous" being one description... -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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Date: 03 Mar 2005 10:13:16
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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I imagine turning the thing with that long frame would be similar to turning a top fuel dragster, still I like the looks "Dave Larrington" <smert.spamionam@privacy.net > wrote in message news:38op86F5opjp7U1@individual.net... > rocketman wrote: > > > Sometime I wish my Catrike Speed had a longer wheelbase like the Masa > > trike. Catrike steering can be, ahh, rather "thrilling" at times. > > By all accounts that of the Masa was something more than thrilling. > "Borderline dangerous" being one description... > > -- > > Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ > World Domination? > Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the > floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine) > >
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Date: 03 Mar 2005 17:09:00
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: nice to be back
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k Leuck wrote: > I imagine turning the thing with that long frame would be similar to > turning a top fuel dragster, still I like the looks I think it was more that having the wheels stuck out the front made it rather more prone to rolling than the current breed of tadpole trike. -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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