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Date: 16 Feb 2007 16:49:45
From: Erik Sandblom
Subject: scorpion recumbent trike
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Hello
A few days ago I had my first ride on a recumbent, and I'm in love. It was
snowy and slippy, so I didn't try the two-wheeler, only the three-wheeler.
Me and the trike got on very well, and I flew down the street at unsafe
speed right off the bat. Fortunately nothing happened, and I soon realised
how easily I was corrupted in the comfy embrace of this seductive wonder.
I liked the Scorpion's low seat, 26cm from the ground, and the fact that
you don't need to balance, and the superior comfort compared to an upright.
I'm no longer trying to justify the cost, I just want one. Problem is,
which one? The only commercially available recumbents for hundreds of km
are the HP Velotechnik Scorpion and StreetMachine. From articles in
VeloVision, the ICE trikes are essentially equivalent, so it's not worth a
trip abroad to try one.
I'll try the two-wheeled StreetMachine once the roads are dry, but I
suspect I'll end up getting the Scorpion. It doesn't matter to me that a
bike would be faster, I doubt it would be as much fun. If I had a long
commute I might appreciate saving some time, but I don't, so I won't.
Then there's the issue of getting it in and out of the basement. I need to
measure that carefully. Perhaps tilting the trike on edge?
I'm essentially looking for a pat on the back. If at some point I find
something I like better then the Scorpion, I'm betting it's a common
enough trike that I could recoup a fair bit of the investment.
Aiolos has a folding recumbent which might be practical on trains, I might
consider that in the future (there are none here to try out). The folding
trikes seem too bulky for anything but a car trunk, but a folding
recumbent bike might be small enough to interest me.
Erik Sandblom
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Oil is for sissies
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 03:15:40
From: squeaker
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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On 16 Feb, 15:49, "Erik Sandblom" <e...@operamail.com > wrote:
>
> Then there's the issue of getting it in and out of the basement. I need to
> measure that carefully. Perhaps tilting the trike on edge?
>
Definitely need to watch this one. I have just acquired a Trice 'S'
to see if I prefer it for touring / commuting compared with an HPV
Grasshopper. My garage side door is on the narrow side, and because
of a large step down, any of my bikes get carried in / out. The bikes
get carried in the horizontal position, with just a wiggle with the
handlebars to get them in, but but the Trice goes in angled towards
the vertical - rear wheel uppermost - just. Generally I think you'd
find a SWB 20/20 OSS 'bent easiest, due to the smaller width. But if
a trike 'floats your boat' then you might find it worth the struggle -
happy hunting!
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 03:00:51
From: squeaker
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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On 16 Feb, 21:11, "gotbent" <gotb...@dontsendmail.com > wrote:
> I think your Mr. Larrington recently reported over on BROL land that the
> cheese made DNM on his Speedmachine went titsup, as did the DMN on my
> Speedmachine, and mine was equipped with the more expensive model. One day
> mine decided to reject air molecules and no longer provided any damping,
> which the spring bit dearly needs in order to act in a suspensionish manner.
> I wish yours well,and hope that you can keep it out of the way of voles and
> such.
>
> When I inquired at a local mountain bike speciality dealer, where suspension
> gear isn't a rarity as it is to most cycling dealers, about the possibility
> of obtaining some sort of rebuild kit for my bit of cheese, I was met with a
> derisive question about what kind of Kt bike I had.
>
DNM DV22 is 'inexpensive', available in the shorter length that HPV
uses on its bikes / trikes, BUT IMHO the quality is, a best,
'variable'. The one on my Mistral makes lavatorial flushing noises in
use, but still has damping, whereas the one on my Grasshopper gave up
any serious damping after ~500 miles and had to be replaced with a
nicely engineered DT Swiss (no longer made, but still affordable at
ChainReaction, last time I looked). A demo Mistral I tried also had a
very lightly damped DV22.
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 10:38:22
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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"Erik Sandblom" <eriks@operamail.com > wrote in message
news:op.tnul87xczubk0m@toshiba...
> Hello
>
> A few days ago I had my first ride on a recumbent, and I'm in love. It was
> snowy and slippy, so I didn't try the two-wheeler, only the three-wheeler.
> Me and the trike got on very well, and I flew down the street at unsafe
> speed right off the bat. Fortunately nothing happened, and I soon realised
> how easily I was corrupted in the comfy embrace of this seductive wonder.
>
> I liked the Scorpion's low seat, 26cm from the ground, and the fact that
> you don't need to balance, and the superior comfort compared to an
> upright.
>
> I'm no longer trying to justify the cost, I just want one. Problem is,
> which one? The only commercially available recumbents for hundreds of km
> are the HP Velotechnik Scorpion and StreetMachine. From articles in
> VeloVision, the ICE trikes are essentially equivalent, so it's not worth a
> trip abroad to try one.
A couple of major differences between the Trice and the Scorp are the wider
mesh seat on the Trice vs the adjustable hardshell bodylink Scorp seat, and
the rear suspension bits. The Scorp uses, I believe a DNM coil/shock (in my
experience the DNMs are made from rotting cheese and are supplied as stock
to help people avoid passing out from sticker shock. The upgrade DT Swiss is
quite sweet at somewhere around $400 USD. The Trice uses different
durometers of polyurethane blocks which act as a damped spring (had some
similar on my old Proflex suspended MTB). You can customize the ride by
selecting one of three different blocks for a fairly low cost, and never be
bothered by owning and using a shock pump (will pump >250psi...~17bar).
The Trice uses perfectly serviceable drum brakes and the Scorp used
perfectly serviceable cable operated disc brakes. Both builder have a list
of optional equipment the is designed to cause a wallet hemorhage.
>
> I'll try the two-wheeled StreetMachine once the roads are dry, but I
> suspect I'll end up getting the Scorpion. It doesn't matter to me that a
> bike would be faster, I doubt it would be as much fun. If I had a long
> commute I might appreciate saving some time, but I don't, so I won't.
>
> Then there's the issue of getting it in and out of the basement. I need to
> measure that carefully. Perhaps tilting the trike on edge?
While there is a version of the Scorpion that folds there is a narrow track
Trice called the QNT which is about 13cm narrower than the regular Trice Q,
which is IIRC about the same as a Scorp.
>
> I'm essentially looking for a pat on the back. If at some point I find
> something I like better then the Scorpion, I'm betting it's a common
> enough trike that I could recoup a fair bit of the investment.
>
> Aiolos has a folding recumbent which might be practical on trains, I might
> consider that in the future (there are none here to try out). The folding
> trikes seem too bulky for anything but a car trunk, but a folding
> recumbent bike might be small enough to interest me.
>
> Erik Sandblom
> --
> Oil is for sissies
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:14:39
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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gotbent wrote:
> A couple of major differences between the Trice and the Scorp are the wider
> mesh seat on the Trice
Tricen Q and T are now both available with a hardshell or mesh seat.
> the rear suspension bits. The Scorp uses, I believe a DNM coil/shock (in my
> experience the DNMs are made from rotting cheese and are supplied as stock
> to help people avoid passing out from sticker shock.
I think that's what's on my Streetmachine. It's kept me nice and
comfy for the least few years and shows no signs of dying at all,
not bad for "rotting cheese"! There's nothing much to go wrong
with it either. Not very Bling! I'll grant you, but hey ho.
Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 15:11:47
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote in message
news:53mhl4F1t6u79U1@mid.individual.net...
> gotbent wrote:
>
>> A couple of major differences between the Trice and the Scorp are the
>> wider mesh seat on the Trice
>
> Tricen Q and T are now both available with a hardshell or mesh seat.
>
>> the rear suspension bits. The Scorp uses, I believe a DNM coil/shock (in
>> my experience the DNMs are made from rotting cheese and are supplied as
>> stock to help people avoid passing out from sticker shock.
>
> I think that's what's on my Streetmachine. It's kept me nice and comfy
> for the least few years and shows no signs of dying at all, not bad for
> "rotting cheese"! There's nothing much to go wrong with it either. Not
> very Bling! I'll grant you, but hey ho.
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
I think your Mr. Larrington recently reported over on BROL land that the
cheese made DNM on his Speedmachine went titsup, as did the DMN on my
Speedmachine, and mine was equipped with the more expensive model. One day
mine decided to reject air molecules and no longer provided any damping,
which the spring bit dearly needs in order to act in a suspensionish manner.
I wish yours well,and hope that you can keep it out of the way of voles and
such.
When I inquired at a local mountain bike speciality dealer, where suspension
gear isn't a rarity as it is to most cycling dealers, about the possibility
of obtaining some sort of rebuild kit for my bit of cheese, I was met with a
derisive question about what kind of Kt bike I had.
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 12:55:04
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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In news:45d6118a$0$16312$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,
gotbent <gotbent@dontsendmail.com > tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
> I think your Mr. Larrington recently reported over on BROL land that
> the cheese made DNM on his Speedmachine went titsup, as did the DMN
> on my Speedmachine, and mine was equipped with the more expensive
> model. One day mine decided to reject air molecules and no longer
> provided any damping, which the spring bit dearly needs in order to
> act in a suspensionish manner. I wish yours well,and hope that you
> can keep it out of the way of voles and such.
My first DNM lasted a good few years, the second seemed to be almost as bad
as the first from new. Like many people, I went to the Nice People at Chain
Reaction and got the DT Swiss:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=9733
The difference is astonishing.
The other nice thing about the Scorpion is that it's available with a
Schmidt hub dynamo.
--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk >
Funsize s bars? What could possibly be MORE fun about eating
LESS chocolate?
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 16:07:32
From: Erik Sandblom
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Den 2007-02-19 13:55:04 skrev Dave Larrington
<smert.spamionam@privacy.net >:
>
> The other nice thing about the Scorpion is that it's available with a
> Schmidt hub dynamo.
Me and my wallet have also noticed that. The extra cost amounts to a sixth
of the base price of the trike. What is it about hubs that makes people
pay silly money for them? Why don't they sell a cheaper hub dynamo? I read
somewhere that any dynamo makes less resistance than an incline of 1 to
1000 or something like that. Unnoticeable.
On my hack bike, I have Reelights and a sidewall dynamo with integrated
light. It's a cheap and reliable combination, bright enough for unlit
paths, no cables, no batteries. The Reelights are silent and require no
batteries. The drag with two magnets per wheel is unnoticeable, even when
spinning the wheels with the bike upsidedown.
Erik Sandblom
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Oil is for sissies
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 16:07:48
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Erik Sandblom wrote:
> Me and my wallet have also noticed that. The extra cost amounts to a
> sixth of the base price of the trike. What is it about hubs that makes
> people pay silly money for them?
They work, work without fuss, without noise and without perceptible
drag, and you never have to worry about your batteries ever again. Pay
once, don't faff about with your lights much ever again[1].
> Why don't they sell a cheaper hub
> dynamo? I read somewhere that any dynamo makes less resistance than an
> incline of 1 to 1000 or something like that. Unnoticeable.
I notice the noise and inconvenience from the bottle system on my
freight bike, whatever the drag. It just isn't as nice a system in use.
For other hubs, with a single sided support as you have on a trike's
paired wheels your options start with the SON and end, errrr, with the SON.
> On my hack bike, I have Reelights and a sidewall dynamo with integrated
> light. It's a cheap and reliable combination, bright enough for unlit
> paths, no cables, no batteries. The Reelights are silent and require no
> batteries. The drag with two magnets per wheel is unnoticeable, even
> when spinning the wheels with the bike upsidedown.
If this is fine for you, don't get the SON! If you find yourself using
lights a fair bit I find it unlikely you'd ever regret it. I bought the
SON setup on the Streetmachine because asking online what were the
No-Brainer options that seemed to get most response. I was impressed
enough to retrofit my hack bike with a similar setup.
Pete.
[1] I've never had a problem from wither of my SONs (one on the 'bent
tourer, one on the Brompton folder), but I have had the odd issue with
lamp wiring etc., but you can't blame the dynamo unit for that.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 17:43:58
From: Erik Sandblom
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Den 2007-02-19 17:07:48 skrev Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk >:
> Erik Sandblom wrote:
>
>> Me and my wallet have also noticed that. The extra cost amounts to a
>> sixth of the base price of the trike. What is it about hubs that makes
>> people pay silly money for them?
>
> They work, work without fuss, without noise and without perceptible
> drag, and you never have to worry about your batteries ever again. Pay
> once, don't faff about with your lights much ever again[1].
Hubs are great, but why the Schmidts and Rohloffs, when an Sram or Shimano
will do?
> For other hubs, with a single sided support as you have on a trike's
> paired wheels your options start with the SON and end, errrr, with the
> SON.
I suspected this. It's also what I told myself when I got the SON Brompton.
>> On my hack bike, I have Reelights and a sidewall dynamo with integrated
>> light. It's a cheap and reliable combination, bright enough for unlit
>> paths, no cables, no batteries. The Reelights are silent and require no
>> batteries. The drag with two magnets per wheel is unnoticeable, even
>> when spinning the wheels with the bike upsidedown.
>
> If this is fine for you, don't get the SON! If you find yourself using
> lights a fair bit I find it unlikely you'd ever regret it. I bought the
> SON setup on the Streetmachine because asking online what were the
> No-Brainer options that seemed to get most response. I was impressed
> enough to retrofit my hack bike with a similar setup.
I'm afraid the Reelights wouldn't fit on the Scorpion front wheel, due to
the disc brakes. I guess I could put one on the rear and use the
integrated sidewall dynamo + light on the front. I like the Reelights, so
I might make a special effort to make it work.
They work great on Bromptons though, which I found out after getting mine:
http://todd.cleverchimp.com/blog/ronb/
Erik Sandblom
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 08:17:14
From: Erik Sandblom
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Den 2007-02-19 17:43:58 skrev Erik Sandblom <eriksandblom@yahoo.co.uk >:
> Den 2007-02-19 17:07:48 skrev Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk>:
>
>> Erik Sandblom wrote:
>>
>>> On my hack bike, I have Reelights and a sidewall dynamo with =
>>> integrated light. It's a cheap and reliable combination, bright enou=
gh =
>>> for unlit paths, no cables, no batteries. The Reelights are silent a=
nd =
>>> require no batteries. The drag with two magnets per wheel is =
>>> unnoticeable, even when spinning the wheels with the bike upsidedown=
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>>
>> If this is fine for you, don't get the SON! If you find yourself usi=
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>> lights a fair bit I find it unlikely you'd ever regret it. I bought =
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>> the SON setup on the Streetmachine because asking online what were th=
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>> No-Brainer options that seemed to get most response. I was impressed=
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>> enough to retrofit my hack bike with a similar setup.
>
> I'm afraid the Reelights wouldn't fit on the Scorpion front wheel, due=
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> to the disc brakes.
Hm, here's something called "Extended Bracket for Rolling Brakes and Dis=
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Brakes". I guess that means you can put the magnets and lights outside t=
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circumference of the disc. I'm not sure why there's no hole at the far e=
nd =
for the wheel axle though.
http://shop.reelight.com/product.asp?product=3D51
Erik Sandblom
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Oil is for sissies
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 18:40:58
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Erik Sandblom wrote:
> Hubs are great, but why the Schmidts and Rohloffs, when an Sram or
> Shimano will do?
Becasue they *won't* do... To fit on the Scorpion a hub dynamo
needs to be a one-sided support (you can't put it in the back, no
freewheel), and SON are the only people that make one. For the
bikes in the range that's not a problem, though you're better off
with a small wheel specific unit: SON make one, Shimano don't.
Finally, there are limits to what a small outfit can reasonably
offer. If your products are basically premium then once you're
into optional extras for a minority of shipments then the SON makes
very good sense.
For the Rohloff, the point is getting something with the same range
as the 3x9 Dualdrive or derailleurs. No other hub does :-(
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 17:23:26
From: Mark Thompson
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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> Hubs are great, but why the Schmidts and Rohloffs, when an Sram or
> Shimano will do?
If you have to ask you'll never understand <shakes head >
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 16:39:30
From: Kristian Neitsch
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Erik Sandblom wrote:
> Den 2007-02-19 13:55:04 skrev Dave Larrington
> <smert.spamionam@privacy.net>:
>>
>> The other nice thing about the Scorpion is that it's available with a
>> Schmidt hub dynamo.
>
> Me and my wallet have also noticed that. The extra cost amounts to a sixth
> of the base price of the trike. What is it about hubs that makes people
> pay silly money for them? Why don't they sell a cheaper hub dynamo? I read
> somewhere that any dynamo makes less resistance than an incline of 1 to
> 1000 or something like that. Unnoticeable.
Schmidt has constructed the SON XSM for HP Velotechnik exclusively. It
is IMO the only dynohub for this axletype. As a small batch it will cost
more. Schmidt is a company that will built special hub-models. Shimano
et. al. only produces for a mass ket. The SON is the best hub
available and nearly life time (your life) service free.
> On my hack bike, I have Reelights and a sidewall dynamo with integrated
> light. It's a cheap and reliable combination, bright enough for unlit
> paths, no cables, no batteries. The Reelights are silent and require no
> batteries. The drag with two magnets per wheel is unnoticeable, even when
> spinning the wheels with the bike upsidedown.
No one forces you to buy a SON. :)
Kristian, with DH3N70
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GNUpg: C52868B0
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 15:28:21
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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"Erik Sandblom" <eriks@operamail.com > wrote in message
news:op.tnz4auxmzubk0m@toshiba...
> Me and my wallet have also noticed that. The extra cost amounts to a sixth
> of the base price of the trike. What is it about hubs that makes people
> pay silly money for them? Why don't they sell a cheaper hub dynamo?
You mean why don't they sell the shimano one? Because those people willing
to fork out for the scorpion are more likely to want the posh one?
> I read somewhere that any dynamo makes less resistance than an incline of
> 1 to 1000 or something like that. Unnoticeable.
I'd say sidewaill dynamos are rather worse than hub ones.
> On my hack bike, I have Reelights and a sidewall dynamo with integrated
> light. It's a cheap and reliable combination, bright enough for unlit
> paths, no cables, no batteries. The Reelights are silent and require no
> batteries. The drag with two magnets per wheel is unnoticeable, even when
> spinning the wheels with the bike upsidedown.
I've probably got a rather better back light than you with my wired dynamo
system - cheap (homebrew) and as reliable as the dynamo (ie very with a hub,
less so with a sidewall).
cheers,
clive
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 17:50:25
From: Erik Sandblom
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Den 2007-02-19 16:28:21 skrev Clive George <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk >:
> "Erik Sandblom" <eriks@operamail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.tnz4auxmzubk0m@toshiba...
>
>> On my hack bike, I have Reelights and a sidewall dynamo with integrated
>> light. It's a cheap and reliable combination, bright enough for unlit
>> paths, no cables, no batteries. The Reelights are silent and require no
>> batteries. The drag with two magnets per wheel is unnoticeable, even
>> when spinning the wheels with the bike upsidedown.
>
> I've probably got a rather better back light than you with my wired
> dynamo system - cheap (homebrew) and as reliable as the dynamo (ie very
> with a hub, less so with a sidewall).
The Reelights blink, so that's good or bad depending on what you want.
What they share with dynamos is that they don't require batteries, and
just like sidewall dynamos, they can become knocked out of adjustment. On
the other hand, you could argue that they are more reliable then dynamo
lights, since there are no cables. They also have the lowest drag, and are
relatively inexpensive and light (har har).
Erik Sandblom
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 15:57:26
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Clive George wrote:
>
> You mean why don't they sell the shimano one? Because those people
> willing to fork out for the scorpion are more likely to want the posh one?
No: Shimano don't do a hub (a) specifically for small wheels or, more
importantly, (b) a hub specifically for one sided wheel supports like
you get on a trike's pair.
Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 16:13:14
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Erik Sandblom wrote:
> I'm no longer trying to justify the cost, I just want one. Problem is,
> which one? The only commercially available recumbents for hundreds of km
> are the HP Velotechnik Scorpion and StreetMachine. From articles in
> VeloVision, the ICE trikes are essentially equivalent, so it's not worth
> a trip abroad to try one.
Ideally you should try everything, but of course that's not possible.
Even if you live in NL in easy reach of many it's impossible to try
everything as you'd spend too *much* time testing! But if you've tried
what you can get and you're happy with it then that puts you ahead of
the game.
> I'll try the two-wheeled StreetMachine once the roads are dry, but I
> suspect I'll end up getting the Scorpion. It doesn't matter to me that a
> bike would be faster, I doubt it would be as much fun. If I had a long
> commute I might appreciate saving some time, but I don't, so I won't.
The Streetmachine is not a particularly quick bike (though the narrower
track will get it through traffic much more easily), and if you get a
lot of snow and ice a trike will have clear advantages. However, don't
assume that a bike is less fun up front of trying the bike. Personally,
I'm somewhat bemused by the "trikes are more fun" angle: I've ridden a
few and they were great but I've not seen any reason of "more fun" to
gain an extra wheel so far. The only way to be sure is try both.
> Then there's the issue of getting it in and out of the basement. I need
> to measure that carefully. Perhaps tilting the trike on edge?
Note that the Scorpion is now available in a folding model called the
fx. That might make life easier. You'll need to account for dimensions
and lugging it for a Streetmachine too, they're not the easiest bikes to
cart around in your hands.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 18:44:55
From: Erik Sandblom
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Den 2007-02-16 17:13:14 skrev Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk >:
> Erik Sandblom wrote:
>
>> I'll try the two-wheeled StreetMachine once the roads are dry, but I
>> suspect I'll end up getting the Scorpion. It doesn't matter to me that
>> a bike would be faster, I doubt it would be as much fun. If I had a
>> long commute I might appreciate saving some time, but I don't, so I
>> won't.
>
> The Streetmachine is not a particularly quick bike (though the narrower
> track will get it through traffic much more easily), and if you get a
> lot of snow and ice a trike will have clear advantages. However, don't
> assume that a bike is less fun up front of trying the bike. Personally,
> I'm somewhat bemused by the "trikes are more fun" angle: I've ridden a
> few and they were great but I've not seen any reason of "more fun" to
> gain an extra wheel so far. The only way to be sure is try both.
>
>> Then there's the issue of getting it in and out of the basement. I need
>> to measure that carefully. Perhaps tilting the trike on edge?
>
> Note that the Scorpion is now available in a folding model called the
> fx. That might make life easier. You'll need to account for dimensions
> and lugging it for a Streetmachine too, they're not the easiest bikes to
> cart around in your hands.
I was quite taken by how low the Scorpion was. It gave a lot of road feel,
and I really liked that. So the SpeedMachine might be better for me to try
than the StreetMachine, since it is lower. I'm also not too keen on the
folding Scorpion for the same reason, 26cm vs 35cm high, and it's still
really bulky when folded.
The Aiolos Trilite trike folds to 85x49x34 cm which is pretty good, so
that might be worth the higher seat, 30cm. Might be worth going to Berlin
to try that out, if it can be fitted with a rack.
http://www.aiolos.de/speedlite.htm
Erik Sandblom
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Oil is for sissies
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:18:10
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Erik Sandblom wrote:
> I was quite taken by how low the Scorpion was. It gave a lot of road
> feel, and I really liked that. So the SpeedMachine might be better for
> me to try than the StreetMachine, since it is lower.
Yes, and now it's available with better touring options than used
to be the case it'll do most of the same jobs. Last one I tried
was the underseat steering one, and it worked very nicely even if
it won't be quite so quick and maybe loses a little in the looks
department.
Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 16:08:36
From: Will Cove
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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If you don't already know, there's a lot of very useful info on 'Bentrider
Online (http://www.bentrideronline.com/)
HTH
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 16:05:15
From: Grolch
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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Why not the Catrike? That's what I ended up buying. Consistently high
ratings from the bent world. Their CaTrike TRAIL Model at about 31lbs and
US$ 2000 or so could be shipped easily. I got the CaTrike ROAD model. I know
what you mean about justifying the costs etc. I test road two wheel bents
and the trikes. I knew right away that I had found my new bike. Anybody who
tries one will "get it".
"Erik Sandblom" <eriks@operamail.com > wrote in message
news:op.tnul87xczubk0m@toshiba...
> Hello
>
> A few days ago I had my first ride on a recumbent, and I'm in love. It was
> snowy and slippy, so I didn't try the two-wheeler, only the three-wheeler.
> Me and the trike got on very well, and I flew down the street at unsafe
> speed right off the bat. Fortunately nothing happened, and I soon realised
> how easily I was corrupted in the comfy embrace of this seductive wonder.
>
> I liked the Scorpion's low seat, 26cm from the ground, and the fact that
> you don't need to balance, and the superior comfort compared to an
> upright.
>
> I'm no longer trying to justify the cost, I just want one. Problem is,
> which one? The only commercially available recumbents for hundreds of km
> are the HP Velotechnik Scorpion and StreetMachine. From articles in
> VeloVision, the ICE trikes are essentially equivalent, so it's not worth a
> trip abroad to try one.
>
> I'll try the two-wheeled StreetMachine once the roads are dry, but I
> suspect I'll end up getting the Scorpion. It doesn't matter to me that a
> bike would be faster, I doubt it would be as much fun. If I had a long
> commute I might appreciate saving some time, but I don't, so I won't.
>
> Then there's the issue of getting it in and out of the basement. I need to
> measure that carefully. Perhaps tilting the trike on edge?
>
> I'm essentially looking for a pat on the back. If at some point I find
> something I like better then the Scorpion, I'm betting it's a common
> enough trike that I could recoup a fair bit of the investment.
>
> Aiolos has a folding recumbent which might be practical on trains, I might
> consider that in the future (there are none here to try out). The folding
> trikes seem too bulky for anything but a car trunk, but a folding
> recumbent bike might be small enough to interest me.
>
> Erik Sandblom
> --
> Oil is for sissies
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 18:25:51
From: Buck
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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On 2007-02-16 16:05:15 +0000, "Grolch" <hjwilkeremovenospam@telus.net > said:
> Why not the Catrike? That's what I ended up buying. Consistently high
> ratings from the bent world. Their CaTrike TRAIL Model at about 31lbs
> and US$ 2000 or so could be shipped easily. I got the CaTrike ROAD
> model. I know what you mean about justifying the costs etc. I test road
> two wheel bents and the trikes. I knew right away that I had found my
> new bike. Anybody who tries one will "get it".
We do the Trail in the U.K. for £1095.
Three wheels good, two wheels ok
www.catrike.co.uk
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 18:39:17
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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"Buck" <SPAMTRAPian@trikesandstuff.DOTco.DOTuk > wrote in message
news:2007021618255116807-SPAMTRAPian@trikesandstuffDOTcoDOTuk...
> On 2007-02-16 16:05:15 +0000, "Grolch" <hjwilkeremovenospam@telus.net>
> said:
>
>> Why not the Catrike? That's what I ended up buying. Consistently high
>> ratings from the bent world. Their CaTrike TRAIL Model at about 31lbs and
>> US$ 2000 or so could be shipped easily. I got the CaTrike ROAD model. I
>> know what you mean about justifying the costs etc. I test road two wheel
>> bents and the trikes. I knew right away that I had found my new bike.
>> Anybody who tries one will "get it".
>
> We do the Trail in the U.K. for £1095.
That's actually a pretty good price if it's $2000 in the states. Shipping,
duty and VAT will make the US one significantly more expensive.
cheers,
clive
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:09:12
From: Buck
Subject: Re: scorpion recumbent trike
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On 2007-02-16 18:39:17 +0000, "Clive George" <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk > said:
> "Buck" <SPAMTRAPian@trikesandstuff.DOTco.DOTuk> wrote in message
> news:2007021618255116807-SPAMTRAPian@trikesandstuffDOTcoDOTuk...
>> On 2007-02-16 16:05:15 +0000, "Grolch" <hjwilkeremovenospam@telus.net> said:
>>
>>> Why not the Catrike? That's what I ended up buying. Consistently high
>>> ratings from the bent world. Their CaTrike TRAIL Model at about 31lbs
>>> and US$ 2000 or so could be shipped easily. I got the CaTrike ROAD
>>> model. I know what you mean about justifying the costs etc. I test road
>>> two wheel bents and the trikes. I knew right away that I had found my
>>> new bike. Anybody who tries one will "get it".
>>
>> We do the Trail in the U.K. for £1095.
>
> That's actually a pretty good price if it's $2000 in the states.
> Shipping, duty and VAT will make the US one significantly more
> expensive.
>
> cheers,
> clive
It is $1750 in the U.S., I try to keep the prices sensible rather than
doing the old trick
of just changing the currency symbol.
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Three wheels good, two wheels ok
www.catrike.co.uk
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