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Date: 20 Jul 2005 09:53:33
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: smelly clothing

This may seem a bit off topic for the recumbent group but stay with me, it
isn't...

I am a major league sweater and I have found that my tee-shirts acquire a
permanent ammonia odor which I can't seem to wash out. When I launder the
shirts they smell fine but when they get even a little wet the ammonia odor
surfaces.

I have tried the following without good results:

1. Adding Vinegar to my wash.
2. Spraying my shirts with vinegar when I take them off (this has been tried
with and without also adding the vinegar to the wash).
3. Adding baking soda to the wash.
4. Using Fabreeze including the "tough odor" version.
5. A few different brands of detergent although mostly I use Wisk.

Its gotten to the point where my best solution is to not wear my favorite
tee-shirts when I ride. This keeps them smelling ok but then I don't get to
wear them when I ride. I have some great ones that would make E.D.'s head
explode but I want to protect them from odor.

Any suggestions?

Date: 28 Jul 2005 09:41:42
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Jeff Grippe wrote:

> I am a major league sweater and I have found that my tee-shirts acquire a
> permanent ammonia odor which I can't seem to wash out. When I launder the
> shirts they smell fine but when they get even a little wet the ammonia odor
> surfaces.

> Any suggestions?

Stop wearing cotton Ts and start wearing fabrics designed to shift sweat
away from your body while not building up bug problems.

X-Static fabric has silver coatings on the fibres designed to make them
resistant to bug colonies forming, Merino wool tends to be resistant to
that sort of thing naturally. If the word "wool" makes you think of
cold weather clothing then note that a fine Merino top is quite a bit
thinner than a cotton T so shouldn't overheat you. You can get them
from good outdoor suppliers (though probably check hiking sections
rather than cycling) and they're one of the current best of breed for
comfortable base layers.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Date: 28 Jul 2005 16:05:52
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote in message
news:3krk1bFv5ja1U1@individual.net...
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
> Stop wearing cotton Ts and start wearing fabrics designed to shift sweat
> away from your body while not building up bug problems.
>

That makes a great deal of sense but all of my really good political shirts
are cotton T's. I have always exercised in T's (and always produced T's that
end up smelling!)

I am revisiting the vinegar solution. It seems to be working better. I have
a feeling that I simply didn't use enough before.

I really like the T's but I will stop wearing them if I can't solve this
problem.

Thanks for the advice.

Jeff

Date: 29 Jul 2005 09:44:12
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Jeff Grippe wrote:

> That makes a great deal of sense but all of my really good political shirts
> are cotton T's.

Create a slogan-holder for the back of the seat...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Date: 29 Jul 2005 09:03:31
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Good Idea but I already have signs on both sides of my trike that say:

"This Trike Fights Diabetes"

I think what I can / should do is just take a shirt to ride in and then
change to the T when I'm not riding. I assume that these fabrics that pull
sweat away from the body can easily have the sweat rinsed out of them when
you stop?

Thanks again.

Jeff
"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote in message
news:3ku8i0F103lmtU1@individual.net...
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
>> That makes a great deal of sense but all of my really good political
>> shirts are cotton T's.
>
> Create a slogan-holder for the back of the seat...
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
>

Date: 29 Jul 2005 14:42:16
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Jeff Grippe wrote:

> I think what I can / should do is just take a shirt to ride in and then
> change to the T when I'm not riding. I assume that these fabrics that pull
> sweat away from the body can easily have the sweat rinsed out of them when
> you stop?

Nothing will particularly pull the sweat out. However, once sweat is
pushed into them the fabrics will wick it away from your body and spread
it over a greater surface area where it will evaporate relatively
quickly, so you stay a bit drier and still get a cooling effect. Unlike
cotton, the fibre itself does not absorb moisture (although some will
certainly be held in the weave of the fabric) so they hold less moisture
and will dry quicker when rinsed.

Polypro wicking tops like Helly Hansen Lifa are fairly notorious for
getting a smell despite these benefits: to avoid the pong look for
fabrics like X-Static and fine Merino wool.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Date: 23 Jul 2005 16:14:02
From: mike.a.schwab@gmail.com
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

>Personally if they ever made a shower head for my camelback, I'd buy one.
>Then I could shower while riding. Hmmm, there's a project for the weekend.
>Too bad I'm busy. Maybe you can work on it Ed. Let me know if you come up
>with something.

I was riding on a real hot day with a camel back and no water bottles.
I blew into the mouthpiece then held it over my head and squeeze the
mouthpiece to open it up. The water came out onto my head in a little
stream and cooled me down.

Date: 28 Jul 2005 09:45:18
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

mike.a.schwab@gmail.com wrote:
>>Personally if they ever made a shower head for my camelback, I'd buy one.
>>Then I could shower while riding. Hmmm, there's a project for the weekend.
>>Too bad I'm busy. Maybe you can work on it Ed. Let me know if you come up
>>with something.

> I was riding on a real hot day with a camel back and no water bottles.
> I blew into the mouthpiece then held it over my head and squeeze the
> mouthpiece to open it up. The water came out onto my head in a little
> stream and cooled me down.

Ortlieb make shower heads for their water bags, so someone's already
thought of it before people start writing to the patents office...

http://www.ortleib.de/_prod.php?lang=de&produkt=dusch

Pete.
--
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Date: 24 Jul 2005 20:51:01
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Awwww. Ya just ruined ED's new business venture.

Forget the Camelback Showerhead idea Ed.

<mike.a.schwab@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1122160442.430654.313690@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >Personally if they ever made a shower head for my camelback, I'd buy one.
>>Then I could shower while riding. Hmmm, there's a project for the weekend.
>>Too bad I'm busy. Maybe you can work on it Ed. Let me know if you come up
>>with something.
>
> I was riding on a real hot day with a camel back and no water bottles.
> I blew into the mouthpiece then held it over my head and squeeze the
> mouthpiece to open it up. The water came out onto my head in a little
> stream and cooled me down.
>

Date: 24 Jul 2005 20:20:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message
news:11e8dvgiqg6f35b@news.supernews.com...
> Awwww. Ya just ruined ED's new business venture.
>
> Forget the Camelback Showerhead idea Ed.

Only idiots top post, even if it is only to your lame brain previous
message.

But Jeff Grippe is headed to the bottom of the barrel as I knew he would be
from day one. He is just not up to our high standards. Soon he will be at
the level of Slugger - nothign but a bottom feeder.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

> <mike.a.schwab@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1122160442.430654.313690@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >Personally if they ever made a shower head for my camelback, I'd buy
>> >one.
>>>Then I could shower while riding. Hmmm, there's a project for the
>>>weekend.
>>>Too bad I'm busy. Maybe you can work on it Ed. Let me know if you come up
>>>with something.
>>
>> I was riding on a real hot day with a camel back and no water bottles.
>> I blew into the mouthpiece then held it over my head and squeeze the
>> mouthpiece to open it up. The water came out onto my head in a little
>> stream and cooled me down.

Date: 21 Jul 2005 15:01:15
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Jeff Grippe wrote:

> my tee-shirts acquire a permanent ammonia odor which I can't
> seem to wash out. When I launder the shirts they smell fine
> but when they get even a little wet the ammonia odor surfaces.

According to Dr. Mirkin, it could be from an infection, or from eating
too much meat:

http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/8831.html

--
"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)

Date: 21 Jul 2005 10:42:28
From: Slugger
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

In article <11dslsfo5sv1odd@news.supernews.com >, Jeff Grippe
<jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote:

> This may seem a bit off topic for the recumbent group but stay with me, it
> isn't...
>
> I am a major league sweater and I have found that my tee-shirts acquire a
> permanent ammonia odor which I can't seem to wash out. When I launder the
> shirts they smell fine but when they get even a little wet the ammonia odor
> surfaces.
>
> I have tried the following without good results:
>
> 1. Adding Vinegar to my wash.
> 2. Spraying my shirts with vinegar when I take them off (this has been tried
> with and without also adding the vinegar to the wash).
> 3. Adding baking soda to the wash.
> 4. Using Fabreeze including the "tough odor" version.
> 5. A few different brands of detergent although mostly I use Wisk.
>
> Its gotten to the point where my best solution is to not wear my favorite
> tee-shirts when I ride. This keeps them smelling ok but then I don't get to
> wear them when I ride. I have some great ones that would make E.D.'s head
> explode but I want to protect them from odor.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
Ammonia eh? No offence Jeff but maybe you need to change something in
your diet?

All kidding aside, I went into this mountain equipment store and they
had a 100.00 T-shirt made from some crazy techno wool from New Zealand.
This sales guy tells me he wore one for two weeks of hiking and it
barely smelled at all. Pretty impressive, but 100 bux for a T-shirt is
bloody steep.

Date: 21 Jul 2005 00:31:55
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message
news:11dslsfo5sv1odd@news.supernews.com...
> This may seem a bit off topic for the recumbent group but stay with me, it
> isn't...
>
> I am a major league sweater and I have found that my tee-shirts acquire a
> permanent ammonia odor which I can't seem to wash out. When I launder the
> shirts they smell fine but when they get even a little wet the ammonia
> odor surfaces.
>
> I have tried the following without good results:
>
> 1. Adding Vinegar to my wash.
> 2. Spraying my shirts with vinegar when I take them off (this has been
> tried with and without also adding the vinegar to the wash).
> 3. Adding baking soda to the wash.
> 4. Using Fabreeze including the "tough odor" version.
> 5. A few different brands of detergent although mostly I use Wisk.
>
> Its gotten to the point where my best solution is to not wear my favorite
> tee-shirts when I ride. This keeps them smelling ok but then I don't get
> to wear them when I ride. I have some great ones that would make E.D.'s
> head explode but I want to protect them from odor.
>
> Any suggestions?

Sweat away like hell and be proud of it. Your body is doing exactly what it
is suppose to be doing. Anyone who doesn't like the way you smell should
keep their freaking distance. Why would anyone ever want to be closer than
several arm lengths away from others anyway? Unless you are engaged in
intimate sexual relations, you do not need to concern yourself with others.
Hells Bells! Smells is Good!

The biggest laugh in the world are all those touring cyclists who think they
have got to shower each and every day of a bike tour. What good does that
do? The next day you are bathed in sweat within 15 minutes. I have even seen
these types of jerks hand washing their cycling shorts at night. I can go
for weeks without showering and months without washing any clothes. Yes, I
sweat a lot, but I am not "dirty." Wash when you are dirty. Sweat we will
always have with us. It is what humans do and it is very necessary. Either
that, or learn to pant like other animals.

You should shower (take a bath) about once a week on a Saturday night and
you should wash your cycling clothes about once a year. Hells Bells, I would
not even consider wearing any cycling clothing that did not at least stick
to my body. In fact, I like cycling clothing that will stand all by itself
even when I am not wearing it.

All this bathing and washing is total insanity and is the ruination of bike
tours. It makes cyclists appear to be idiots who only have hot showers and
washing their freaking shorts on their minds. Some are such idiots that they
would rather bath and wash even before they have something to eat.

The American obsession with cleanliness is mindless and only those with no
minds obsess about it. If you had a mental life, you would not ever think of
such trivial nonsense. I read that the Tibetans only bath once a year and
they cover themselves in yak fat year around in order to ward off the cold.
Now there is a sensible people!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 21 Aug 2005 13:30:14
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

On 21-Jul-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:

> Sweat away like hell and be proud of it. Your body is doing exactly what
> it
> is suppose to be doing. Anyone who doesn't like the way you smell should
> keep their freaking distance. Why would anyone ever want to be closer than
>
> several arm lengths away from others anyway? Unless you are engaged in
> intimate sexual relations, you do not need to concern yourself with
> others.
> Hells Bells! Smells is Good!
>
> The biggest laugh in the world are all those touring cyclists who think
> they
> have got to shower each and every day of a bike tour. What good does that
> do? The next day you are bathed in sweat within 15 minutes. I have even
> seen
> these types of jerks hand washing their cycling shorts at night. I can go
> for weeks without showering and months without washing any clothes. Yes, I
>
> sweat a lot, but I am not "dirty." Wash when you are dirty. Sweat we will
> always have with us. It is what humans do and it is very necessary. Either
>
> that, or learn to pant like other animals.
>
> You should shower (take a bath) about once a week on a Saturday night and
> you should wash your cycling clothes about once a year. Hells Bells, I
> would
> not even consider wearing any cycling clothing that did not at least stick
>
> to my body. In fact, I like cycling clothing that will stand all by itself
>
> even when I am not wearing it.

No wonder downtown Worthington, Minnesota is deserted. Mr. Ed has driven
everyone off with his foul personality and foul body odor.

--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe

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Date: 22 Aug 2005 00:11:53
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message
news:1124631169_991@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>
> On 21-Jul-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> Sweat away like hell and be proud of it. Your body is doing exactly what
>> it
>> is suppose to be doing. Anyone who doesn't like the way you smell should
>> keep their freaking distance. Why would anyone ever want to be closer
>> than
>>
>> several arm lengths away from others anyway? Unless you are engaged in
>> intimate sexual relations, you do not need to concern yourself with
>> others.
>> Hells Bells! Smells is Good!
>>
>> The biggest laugh in the world are all those touring cyclists who think
>> they
>> have got to shower each and every day of a bike tour. What good does that
>> do? The next day you are bathed in sweat within 15 minutes. I have even
>> seen
>> these types of jerks hand washing their cycling shorts at night. I can go
>> for weeks without showering and months without washing any clothes. Yes,
>> I
>>
>> sweat a lot, but I am not "dirty." Wash when you are dirty. Sweat we will
>> always have with us. It is what humans do and it is very necessary.
>> Either
>>
>> that, or learn to pant like other animals.
>>
>> You should shower (take a bath) about once a week on a Saturday night and
>> you should wash your cycling clothes about once a year. Hells Bells, I
>> would
>> not even consider wearing any cycling clothing that did not at least
>> stick
>>
>> to my body. In fact, I like cycling clothing that will stand all by
>> itself
>>
>> even when I am not wearing it.
>
> No wonder downtown Worthington, Minnesota is deserted. Mr. Ed has driven
> everyone off with his foul personality and foul body odor.

It is good to see my words of wisdom posted for a second time for all the
world to ponder.

Downtown Worthington is now deserted because Wal-t has set up on the edge
of town. The first major store to leave when Wal-t came to town was
K-t. I think ShopKo is now in big trouble too. Apparently, all the world
loves low prices, unlike recumbent cyclists who actually seem to prefer high
prices, at least for their bikes. Any low racers around for $1000. or less?

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 21 Jul 2005 04:45:43
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:wMydnV0dwIXHrkLfRVn-1Q@prairiewave.com...

>Why would anyone ever want to be closer than several arm lengths away from
>others anyway? Unless you are engaged in intimate sexual relations, you do
>not need to concern yourself with others.

C'mon Ed, I'm a lib-er-al. Me and my type are sexually intimate with
anything animate so we have to mask our smell so that we can attract the
human ones and not be detected by the non-human ones (which we have to sneak
up on and catch).

My motto from my backpacking days which applies equally well to a long bike
tour is

"If it moves, fuck it. If it doesn't move, eat it."

Personally if they ever made a shower head for my camelback, I'd buy one.
Then I could shower while riding. Hmmm, there's a project for the weekend.
Too bad I'm busy. Maybe you can work on it Ed. Let me know if you come up
with something.

>I read that the Tibetans only bath once a year and they cover themselves in
>yak fat year around in order to ward off the cold. Now there is a sensible
>people!

Regarding Yak Fat (tm) to ward off the cold:

This is a problem I've rarely had while cycling. I checked with Nashbar and
Performance. They don't sell anything with Yak Fat (tm). And believe me the
last thing I need to drape myself in is fat of any kind. I'm already
equipped with a built in supply. Its not Yak Fat (tm) but if I wore a fur
coat I'll bet you couldn't tell the difference at 20 feet. I'll bet if those
Tibetans lived here and dined regularly on McDonalds they wouldn't need Yak
Fat (tm) either. Shame on you for endorsing a culture whose real crime is
under consumption of fast food, American fast food at that. If everyone went
out and simply got Yak Fat (tm) clothing then nobody would need fast food,
our economy would collapse, and there'd be no money to fight our war. Sure
that's good for me and my type but you aren't thinking this through Ed.

Date: 21 Jul 2005 14:02:09
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message
news:11duo5kqa8pmjdb@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:wMydnV0dwIXHrkLfRVn-1Q@prairiewave.com...
[...]
>>I read that the Tibetans only bath once a year and they cover themselves
>>in yak fat year around in order to ward off the cold. Now there is a
>>sensible people!
>
> Regarding Yak Fat (tm) to ward off the cold:
>
> This is a problem I've rarely had while cycling. I checked with Nashbar
> and Performance. They don't sell anything with Yak Fat (tm). And believe
> me the last thing I need to drape myself in is fat of any kind. I'm
> already equipped with a built in supply. Its not Yak Fat (tm) but if I
> wore a fur coat I'll bet you couldn't tell the difference at 20 feet. I'll
> bet if those Tibetans lived here and dined regularly on McDonalds they
> wouldn't need Yak Fat (tm) either. Shame on you for endorsing a culture
> whose real crime is under consumption of fast food, American fast food at
> that. If everyone went out and simply got Yak Fat (tm) clothing then
> nobody would need fast food, our economy would collapse, and there'd be no
> money to fight our war. Sure that's good for me and my type but you aren't
> thinking this through Ed.

Well, this is what happens when your inferiors like Jeff Grippe try to be
funny.

The Tibetan yak fat thing was a throw away line that referenced your concern
about being smelly. The Tibetans use the yak fat in order to ward off the
cold, but you can imagine how it must smell. But the Tibetans are a sensible
people because they are not concerned all that much about how they smell.
They only bath once a year even though covered in yak fat. They would rather
be warm and smell than be cold, clean and not smell. Got it? Yet?

But hey, if other idiots here think you are funny, then go for it. But the
trick will be to amuse me - and I am not easily amused because I am cursed
with a great intelligence.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 21 Jul 2005 13:43:27
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message
news:11duo5kqa8pmjdb@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:wMydnV0dwIXHrkLfRVn-1Q@prairiewave.com...
>
>>Why would anyone ever want to be closer than several arm lengths away from
>>others anyway? Unless you are engaged in intimate sexual relations, you do
>>not need to concern yourself with others.
>
> C'mon Ed, I'm a lib-er-al. Me and my type are sexually intimate with
> anything animate so we have to mask our smell so that we can attract the
> human ones and not be detected by the non-human ones (which we have to
> sneak up on and catch).
>
> My motto from my backpacking days which applies equally well to a long
> bike tour is
>
> "If it moves, fuck it. If it doesn't move, eat it."

The above is something only a New York Secular Jew would think and say, let
alone write for all to read. I offer my services as your censor for only
$20. an hour. I guarantee to make you look decent and civilized.

The purpose of sex is to make babies - period! Unless you are engaged in sex
for the purpose of making a baby, then you are perverted and worthy of
burning in Hell for all eternity. All good Catholics know that much. As I
sit at the right hand of God Almighty, I will advise Him on what to do about
you when you come before the pearly throne. However, I warn you, God and I
do not suffer "preversions" lightly.

Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 21 Aug 2005 13:34:14
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

On 21-Jul-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:

> As I sit at the right hand of God Almighty

ed doofus,

God Almighty says to take a shower and put some clean clothes on.

--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe

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Date: 21 Aug 2005 22:22:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message
news:1124631409_999@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>
> On 21-Jul-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> As I sit at the right hand of God Almighty
>
> ed doofus,
>
> God Almighty says to take a shower and put some clean clothes on.

Cleanliness is NOT next to Godliness. I know this because I am a Great
Saint. All that counts in the final analysis is Holiness. Neglect that, and
you will end up in Hell, clean but damned.

Date: 21 Jul 2005 15:03:22
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Big Ed Said,

> However, I warn you, God and I do not suffer "preversions" lightly.
>

Of course god suffers perversions lightly. Your existence is proof of that.

As far as what you do, few of us care frankly. In that respect we are like
god ourselves. We listen to you (well read actually) but actually we could
care less. At this point it is amusing to see what you are going to say
next.

And that's "Mr. New York Secular Jew" to buddy.

Date: 21 Jul 2005 15:01:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message
news:11dvsde3aob23de@news.supernews.com...
>
>"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
news:11duo5kqa8pmjdb@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:wMydnV0dwIXHrkLfRVn-1Q@prairiewave.com...
>
>>Why would anyone ever want to be closer than several arm lengths away from
>>others anyway? Unless you are engaged in intimate sexual relations, you do
>>not need to concern yourself with others.
>
> C'mon Ed, I'm a lib-er-al. Me and my type are sexually intimate with
> anything animate so we have to mask our smell so that we can attract the
> human ones and not be detected by the non-human ones (which we have to
> sneak up on and catch).
>
> My motto from my backpacking days which applies equally well to a long
> bike tour is
>
> "If it moves, fuck it. If it doesn't move, eat it."

The above is something only a New York Secular Jew would think and say, let
alone write for all to read. I offer my services as your censor for only
$20. an hour. I guarantee to make you look decent and civilized.

The purpose of sex is to make babies - period! Unless you are engaged in sex
for the purpose of making a baby, then you are perverted and worthy of
burning in Hell for all eternity. All good Catholics know that much. As I
sit at the right hand of God Almighty, I will advise Him on what to do about
you when you come before the pearly throne. However, I warn you, God and I
do not suffer "preversions" lightly.

Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

> Big Ed Said,
>
>> However, I warn you, God and I do not suffer "preversions" lightly.
>>
>
> Of course god suffers perversions lightly. Your existence is proof of
> that.
>
> As far as what you do, few of us care frankly. In that respect we are like
> god ourselves. We listen to you (well read actually) but actually we could
> care less. At this point it is amusing to see what you are going to say
> next.
>
> And that's "Mr. New York Secular Jew" to buddy.

I have posted the entire previous message to which you are replying at the
top so that others can know what you are talking about. Unlike you, I am not
ashamed of anything I post and I want others to read and ponder everything I
write with full understanding. I do not take shortcuts which impoverish the
reader and leave him wondering what is being referenced.

I think I answered your crude attempt at humor (If it moves, fuck it.)
rather well. What you needed to do was to apologize to the group for your
vulgarity, but that is something a New York Secular Jew will never do.
Arrogance prevents it.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Date: 21 Jul 2005 16:14:12
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:3fGdnVkchKaoYkLfRVn-hA@prairiewave.com...
>
> I think I answered your crude attempt at humor (If it moves, fuck it.)

If you are going to quote me then get it right Eddie

"If it moves, fuck it. If it doesn't move, eat it"

Words to live by my boy.

NYSJ, over and out! Make that Arrogant NYSJ!

Date: 21 Jul 2005 09:54:41
From: bent_pilot
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Outstanding post Jeff. Bravo! Funniest reply to Dolan I've ever read on this
board.
As far as geting the stink out, I have good results from using Woolite. The
synthetics, particularly polypropylene are very inert and the bacteria from
your skin can grow into very nice colonies and give off some major stench.

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message
news:11duo5kqa8pmjdb@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:wMydnV0dwIXHrkLfRVn-1Q@prairiewave.com...
>
>>Why would anyone ever want to be closer than several arm lengths away from
>>others anyway? Unless you are engaged in intimate sexual relations, you do
>>not need to concern yourself with others.
>
> C'mon Ed, I'm a lib-er-al. Me and my type are sexually intimate with
> anything animate so we have to mask our smell so that we can attract the
> human ones and not be detected by the non-human ones (which we have to
> sneak up on and catch).
>
> My motto from my backpacking days which applies equally well to a long
> bike tour is
>
> "If it moves, fuck it. If it doesn't move, eat it."
>
> Personally if they ever made a shower head for my camelback, I'd buy one.
> Then I could shower while riding. Hmmm, there's a project for the weekend.
> Too bad I'm busy. Maybe you can work on it Ed. Let me know if you come up
> with something.
>
>
>>I read that the Tibetans only bath once a year and they cover themselves
>>in yak fat year around in order to ward off the cold. Now there is a
>>sensible people!
>
> Regarding Yak Fat (tm) to ward off the cold:
>
> This is a problem I've rarely had while cycling. I checked with Nashbar
> and Performance. They don't sell anything with Yak Fat (tm). And believe
> me the last thing I need to drape myself in is fat of any kind. I'm
> already equipped with a built in supply. Its not Yak Fat (tm) but if I
> wore a fur coat I'll bet you couldn't tell the difference at 20 feet. I'll
> bet if those Tibetans lived here and dined regularly on McDonalds they
> wouldn't need Yak Fat (tm) either. Shame on you for endorsing a culture
> whose real crime is under consumption of fast food, American fast food at
> that. If everyone went out and simply got Yak Fat (tm) clothing then
> nobody would need fast food, our economy would collapse, and there'd be no
> money to fight our war. Sure that's good for me and my type but you aren't
> thinking this through Ed.
>
>

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Date: 21 Jul 2005 14:19:11
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Thanks for the kudos.

Just think, now you can go to Google groups and search for Yak Fat and
actually get a hit. Whoda Thunkit?

Jeff
"bent_pilot" <bp@gofast.com > wrote in message
news:42dfb845$1_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net...
> Outstanding post Jeff. Bravo! Funniest reply to Dolan I've ever read on
> this board.
> As far as geting the stink out, I have good results from using Woolite.
> The synthetics, particularly polypropylene are very inert and the bacteria
> from your skin can grow into very nice colonies and give off some major
> stench.
>
> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
> news:11duo5kqa8pmjdb@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:wMydnV0dwIXHrkLfRVn-1Q@prairiewave.com...
>>
>>>Why would anyone ever want to be closer than several arm lengths away
>>>from others anyway? Unless you are engaged in intimate sexual relations,
>>>you do not need to concern yourself with others.
>>
>> C'mon Ed, I'm a lib-er-al. Me and my type are sexually intimate with
>> anything animate so we have to mask our smell so that we can attract the
>> human ones and not be detected by the non-human ones (which we have to
>> sneak up on and catch).
>>
>> My motto from my backpacking days which applies equally well to a long
>> bike tour is
>>
>> "If it moves, fuck it. If it doesn't move, eat it."
>>
>> Personally if they ever made a shower head for my camelback, I'd buy one.
>> Then I could shower while riding. Hmmm, there's a project for the
>> weekend. Too bad I'm busy. Maybe you can work on it Ed. Let me know if
>> you come up with something.
>>
>>
>>>I read that the Tibetans only bath once a year and they cover themselves
>>>in yak fat year around in order to ward off the cold. Now there is a
>>>sensible people!
>>
>> Regarding Yak Fat (tm) to ward off the cold:
>>
>> This is a problem I've rarely had while cycling. I checked with Nashbar
>> and Performance. They don't sell anything with Yak Fat (tm). And believe
>> me the last thing I need to drape myself in is fat of any kind. I'm
>> already equipped with a built in supply. Its not Yak Fat (tm) but if I
>> wore a fur coat I'll bet you couldn't tell the difference at 20 feet.
>> I'll bet if those Tibetans lived here and dined regularly on McDonalds
>> they wouldn't need Yak Fat (tm) either. Shame on you for endorsing a
>> culture whose real crime is under consumption of fast food, American fast
>> food at that. If everyone went out and simply got Yak Fat (tm) clothing
>> then nobody would need fast food, our economy would collapse, and there'd
>> be no money to fight our war. Sure that's good for me and my type but you
>> aren't thinking this through Ed.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: 20 Jul 2005 19:28:53
From: Bill Bushnell
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

Jeff Grippe <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote:
> Any suggestions?

I occasionally have this problem with jerseys (smell) or shorts (rash).
In both cases, I soak the offending article of clothing overnight in a
diluted bleach solution. Also, for biking clothes with synthetic fibers,
it's best to wash them soon after taking them off. Don't bunch them up
wet and throw them into a hamper for a week.

--
Bill Bushnell
http://pobox.com/~bushnell/

Date: 20 Jul 2005 13:40:47
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: smelly clothing

"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote
>
> my tee-shirts acquire a permanent ammonia odor
>

Ah, more on the stinky clothing theme, but this time not
related to stink bait or chumming fishing technique. %^)

It is probable that your shirts have been "colonized" by
microbes that bind tightly to clothing fibers. This is
fairly common, especially with synthetic sports clothing
and results in persistent or recurring "body odor" even
after washing.

Biz laundry detergent and perhaps other laundry products
containing enzymes seem to help get rid of the microbes.

I add Biz to the laundry when washing my bike clothes,
and if they're beginning to really smell, I soak them
overnight in solution of Biz. Some synthetic clothing
materials also have antimicrobial treatments built-in
or added. Wool fabrics are fairly odor resistant
and seem to stay fresher smelling longer.

There are special products for removing pet odors
that contain more concentrated enzymatic cleaners
(OUTZ is one brand). Spot treating with these may
also help in severe cases.

You're on your own with respect to removing stains
from tee-shirt readers' exploded heads...

Jon Meinecke

Date: 20 Jul 2005 16:44:48
From: Cully_J
Subject: Re: smelly clothing