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Date: 25 Jan 2005 08:51:19
From: Steve Knight
Subject: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Well I have the burley limbo and I had planned on upgrading it. so far I changed
out most of the drivetrain. I went with sram x9 rd 9 speed cogs click shifters
and new fd. Avid single digit 7 brakes too. Got a rans seat base now.
I can't see adding a new crankset to it as I doubt it would give me much of any
improvement. But I do need a new set of pulleys as the rumble drives me nuts. I
can hit teracycle on the way to work so that's easy.
The last three things I could think of is a better wheel set to use narrower
tires. But I just put a armadillo 1.5" tire on at 100 psi in back so would there
be much of a difference? The front wheel unless I have suspension I don't know
if I would want that tire so hard. Going up small ledges in paths and such can
give you a pretty good jolt with the stock tire at 35psi.
So I was thinking of two things a front suspension fork or a fairing. The
suspension forks are a bit less
http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?category=607200
Then the whole fairing package. Though I am not sure what fork to get since I
have never had one.
Though I may be able to do the faring if I make my own mount for it.
Any other idea's?
Will the thing get in my way getting on and off the bike and locking it up?
Since I mostly commute on the bike I run errands on it.
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Date: 25 Jan 2005 11:12:45
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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> I am not sure what fork to get since I have never had one.
The people at Hostel Shoppe should be able to recommend a fork for you,
based upon your bike, weight, and intended usage.
> Will the [fairing] get in my way getting on and off the
> bike and locking it up?
No, but it will add some overall size and fragility to the bike, and
require frequent cleaning, and those are the reasons I decided against a
fairing for my Tour Easy. You may want the additional top speed a
fairing provides, though, so it may be worthwhile for you.
--
"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
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Date: 25 Jan 2005 20:31:17
From: Steve Knight
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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>No, but it will add some overall size and fragility to the bike, and
>require frequent cleaning, and those are the reasons I decided against a
>fairing for my Tour Easy. You may want the additional top speed a
>fairing provides, though, so it may be worthwhile for you.
for commuting it may be overkill so I may wait. I got a email about the fork and
I guess burley never tested the limbo with a suspension fork and says it may
change the handling of the bike.
so I'm thinking maybe getting one of the new suspension hubs for the front and a
high end shock for the rear.
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Date: 25 Jan 2005 14:56:52
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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"LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net > wrote
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> No, but [a fairing] will add some overall size and fragility
> to the bike, and require frequent cleaning,
The TourEasy fairing adds weight and complicates transportation
somewhat, but I think it's worthwhile overall.
It's not particularly fragile,-- mine has had a number of falls and
bumps and has bounced back. After 7000 miles it has a certain
"patina". %^) As for frequency of cleaning, I have fenders and
don't find myself needing/wanting to clean the fairing often. Maybe
a couple of times a year, I clean and wax it...
The fairing may make the bike more prone to blow over when
resting on kickstand in the wind. And there's some debate over
how much it affects sidewind handling. I don't know how much
"speed" it adds, if any, but it does keep legs warmer in cold weather
and drier in light rain. I don't notice it adding "heat" in the summer.
YMMV
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 26 Jan 2005 18:27:10
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Jon Meinecke wrote:
> I don't know how much "speed" [a fairing] adds, if any
I do: it adds a significant amount. I once rode another owner's
large-frame Tour Easy with a fairing, and I was surprised at how much
additional speed I achieved. I had him pace me on my own TE to confirm
that the effect wasn't psychological, and it wasn't. He clocked my
normal cruising speed at 20mph, and the same effort by me on his bike
produced 24mph.
--
"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
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Date: 27 Jan 2005 07:44:57
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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"LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net > wrote
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>
> > I don't know how much "speed" [a fairing] adds, if any
>
> I do: it adds a significant amount. I once rode another owner's
> large-frame Tour Easy with a fairing, and I was surprised at how much
> additional speed I achieved.
> [...] my normal [unfaired] cruising speed at 20mph, and the same
> effort by me on his bike produced 24mph.
20% at 20mph. That's a pretty good indication of faring effectiveness
at speed. It's been reported that fairings such as on TourEasy really
start to pay-off at 16+mph (air resistance increases as cube of speed).
Too bad I don't spend more of my riding time at 20mph. %^) Or not,--
15mph into a 10mph headwind is 25 net. I think TE fairing is money
well spent.
I've recently acquired another recumbent and find I'm faster unfaired
on that bike than my Tour Easy. It's perhaps not really a fair comparison,
a 25-27 lb, 650x23mm Volae Sport vs. my 36+ lb with tools and kitchen
sink TourEasy. I discovered almost immediately that more lower body
insulation and wind protection are needed on the Volae in cool weather.
I've been pedaling the polyrhythm of the Balinese Monkey Chant
while riding lately... Still breaking in my HBB muscles.
Jon Meinecke
'98 BikeE AT
'01 Easy Racers Tour Easy
'04 Volae Sport
'07 ???
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Date: 27 Jan 2005 14:55:28
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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> Too bad I don't spend more of my riding time at 20mph. %^)
> Or not,-- 15mph into a 10mph headwind is 25 net.
By that measure, my best effort ever is 5mph into a 35mph headwind.
> I think TE fairing is money well spent.
That brings up another reason for me having no fairing on my TE: too
much of a cheapskate!
> I've recently acquired another recumbent and find I'm faster
> unfaired on that bike than my Tour Easy. It's perhaps not
> really a fair comparison, a 25-27 lb, 650x23mm Volae Sport
> vs. my 36+ lb with tools and kitchen sink TourEasy.
Your cross-sectional area on the VS is somewhat less than on the TE
because of the more laid-back seat and the higher BB, so that will give
you more speed regardless of weight. For the same reason, I'm sure that
if I geared my M5 for speed [top gear is now 50/11] it would be faster
than my TE.
--
"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 14:33:30
From:
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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All good comments I think.
To my way of seeing things a TE/GRR just doesn't look right without it's
Zzipper Super fairing. Forget that it's expensive and a drag for 80% of your
riding. It's the looking right that counts.
skip
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 09:34:22
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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> It's the looking right that counts.
Unfortunately for me, that would involve losing 50 pounds, shaving my
face, and being 35 years younger, none of which is going to happen.
--
"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
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Date: 31 Jan 2005 11:03:28
From: Ian Smythe
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Glenn Drury racing a Velokraft NoCom lowracer. What is amazing is Mr. Drury was riding a stock bike with no fairings. He finished the 400 km race a twitch short of 2 hours less than the regular cyclists team.
Ian Smythe
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Re: Recumbent Racer Glen Drury sets course record
That is quite an impressive accomplishment. Who is the rider and what bike did he ride? Was he in a F-40?
Stan Vinson
P38
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Recumbent cycles entered the 400km cycle for the first time (as a separate category), with Glen Druryclocking the impressive time of 11:57:37. With the popularity of the recumbents, the race is likely to be open next year to other specialist cyclists (all scored in different categories).
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Date: 12 Feb 2005 23:01:35
From: Sputnick
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Ian Smythe Wrote:
> Glenn Drury racing a Velokraft NoCom lowracer. What is amazing is Mr
> Drury was riding a stock bike with no fairings. He finished the 400 k
> race a twitch short of 2 hours less than the regular cyclists team.
>
> Ian Smythe
>
> ............................................................................................................................................................................
> Re: Recumbent Racer Glen Drury sets course record
> That is quite an impressive accomplishment. Who is the rider and wha
> bike did he ride? Was he in a F-40?
>
> Stan Vinson
> P38
> .....................................................................
> .........................................................
> Recumbent cycles entered the 400km cycle for the first time (as
> separate category), with Glen Druryclocking the impressive time o
> 11:57:37. With the popularity of the recumbents, the race is likely t
> be open next year to other specialist cyclists (all scored in differen
> categories).
His name is Glenn Druery, not Glen Drur
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Date: 13 Feb 2005 03:18:10
From: nget
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Sputnick Wrote:
> His name is Glenn Druery, not Glen Drury
Doesn't glenn ride a shit com just like johnny pisshead
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nget
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Date: 13 Feb 2005 10:02:33
From: Sputnick
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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nget Wrote:
> Doesn't glenn ride a shit com just like johnny pisshead.
YES..
A veeeery fast one
Spu
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Date: 13 Feb 2005 10:17:56
From: nget
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Sputnick Wrote:
> YES..
> A veeeery fast one
>
> Sput
It's so cute to see when the children can be so easily pleased with th
little things in life
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nget
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Date: 31 Jan 2005 10:10:38
From: Stan Vinson
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Re: Recumbent Racer Glen Drury sets course record
That is quite an impressive accomplishment. Who is the rider and what bike did he ride? Was he in a F-40?
Stan Vinson
P38
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Recumbent cycles entered the 400km cycle for the first time (as a separate category), with Glen Druryclocking the impressive time of 11:57:37. With the popularity of the recumbents, the race is likely to be open next year to other specialist cyclists (all scored in different categories). Of the regular cyclists, the best time was from David Simpfendorfer of the Filthy Armadillo team, with 13:46:17.
http://www.srichinmoyraces.org/au/results/ultrareport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ultra Joe
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 18:53:05
From:
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Oh no LioNiNoiL. Please reconsider the aesthetics. Take a look at the
photo of the Row Bike that Tom linked to in the Row Bike thread. To my eye
that is a thing of beauty. It is so right. Now put you (as self
described), me, or any Johnny No Com FOG on that bike and it would just
plain be wrong. Same goes for high racers, mid racers, and low racers.
Now comes the genius of Gardner tin who gave us his Tour Easy with a
Harleyesque persona fit for any FOG to look great on. In fact a TE needs a
FOG on board to look really right. It's a beautiful thing plus it's still
speedy after all these years, comfortable, and great for touring.
TE/GRR/FOG is the right look.
skip
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 13:31:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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<skip@qualitybikes.com > wrote in message
news:sZCdnXMzt7QbRmbcRVn-ug@giganews.com...
> Oh no LioNiNoiL. Please reconsider the aesthetics. Take a look at the
> photo of the Row Bike that Tom linked to in the Row Bike thread. To my
> eye
> that is a thing of beauty. It is so right. Now put you (as self
> described), me, or any Johnny No Com FOG on that bike and it would just
> plain be wrong. Same goes for high racers, mid racers, and low racers.
>
> Now comes the genius of Gardner tin who gave us his Tour Easy with a
> Harleyesque persona fit for any FOG to look great on. In fact a TE needs
> a
> FOG on board to look really right. It's a beautiful thing plus it's still
> speedy after all these years, comfortable, and great for touring.
> TE/GRR/FOG is the right look.
>
> skip
Skip, you got it right. I have seen really big guys on SWB recumbents, like
the RANS Rocket for instance, and they just don't' look right on them. They
look like clowns. Whereas you can be as big and fat as you please and still
look good on a Tour Easy. Like you say, that was the genius of Gardner
tin. I also recall reading that he said he built his bikes for 300 pound
guys. Anyone but me ever notice how so many recumbent cyclists are a bit on
the heavy side.
--
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 19:51:27
From:
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Or a bear riding a circus bike as someone described the SWB/FOG look.
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 21:28:16
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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> a bear riding a circus bike as someone described the SWB/FOG look.
Very accurate description!
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"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
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Date: 26 Jan 2005 20:50:52
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m wrote:
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
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>> I don't know how much "speed" [a fairing] adds, if any
>
>
> I do: it adds a significant amount. I once rode another owner's
> large-frame Tour Easy with a fairing, and I was surprised at how much
> additional speed I achieved. I had him pace me on my own TE to confirm
> that the effect wasn't psychological, and it wasn't. He clocked my
> normal cruising speed at 20mph, and the same effort by me on his bike
> produced 24mph.
Non-instrumented observation indicates that front fairings are the most
effective on bicycles where the rider sits relatively upright and close
to the handlebars, e.g. Easy Racers Tour Easy, GRR, Ti-GRR; Cambie
Recumboni; RANS Stratus, Tailwind.
Based on these pictures of fairings on Burley Limbi [1], [2], I would
expect less of a speed gain from adding a front fairing to a Limbo than
a Tour Easy. [3] However, the speed gain with a front fairing and a
bodysock could be expected to be in the 20-25% range.
The front fairing will make cold weather riding much more pleasant - I
would consider one to be worth it for this alone on a bike ridden
regularly in cold weather.
Having purchased fairings from both Zzipper and Mueller, I would rate
them roughly equal (and good) in product quality and service.
[1] <http://www.mueller-hp.com/blft.htm >.
[2] <http://www.zzipper.com/prod_swb.htm >.
[3] A front fairing is more effective for increasing speed on a RANS
Tailwind than on a RANS Rocket.
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Tom Sherman - Earth
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Date: 01 Feb 2005 01:37:52
From: Chester Williams
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Hayes El Camino Disc Brakes Fastest disc brakes in the Universe
The El Camino features Power Adjust Dial, which modulates braking power by +/-10%. The Mono-Block caliper is forged using 6061-T6 aluminum while the open back design allows improved airflow across the pads. If you are a fat old ignorant white man from Minn do not buy these brakes. Nothing will stop your sorry ass when you need to stop.
The rotating banjo hose attachment offers optimal hose placement. Perfect for all the hose heads on A.R.B.R.
Chester
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Date: 02 Feb 2005 11:37:48
From: Johnny NoCom
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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Johnny NoCom is Not Ed Gin.
If Ed Gin is Johnny NoCom then prove it you dumb assholes at AR.B.R., BROL or whatever dork bent club you come from. FACT is none of you know who the real Johnny NoCom is when he tells it like it is to Fat Old Slow Pukes on crap design recumbents.
BTW all F40 condom bikes suck dogshit, trikes are for feeble old bastards that have no leg muscles and High SlowGoWalker SUCK and always will.
The Real Johnny NoCom
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Date: 02 Feb 2005 12:13:52
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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"Johnny NoCom" <Johnny@MEFastUslow.com > wrote in message
news:42010fec$1_1@127.0.0.1...
> Johnny NoCom is Not Ed Gin.
>
> If Ed Gin is Johnny NoCom then prove it you dumb assholes at AR.B.R., BROL
> or whatever dork bent club you come from. FACT is none of you know who the
> real Johnny NoCom is when he tells it like it is to Fat Old Slow Pukes on
> crap design recumbents.
>
> BTW all F40 condom bikes suck dogshit, trikes are for feeble old bastards
> that have no leg muscles and High SlowGoWalker SUCK and always will.
>
>
> The Real Johnny NoCom
Fucking Ed Gin! What a Dipshit! Hey Ed Gin - why don't you go fuck yourself
instead of posting your asshole nonsense, you stupid son of a bitch. No one
on ARBR is interested in your God Damn nonsense, you dumb Mongoloid bastard.
Get your own web site, you God Damn moron! Why don't you
take your fucking computer and ram it up your ass, you slant-eyed weasel.
God, I know what you look like and you are disgusting and revolting. You
need to kill yourself and thereby purify the earth of your loathsome
presence. You are nothing but an ugly beast. You remind me of Godzilla.
No one here on ARBR gives a shit about your fucking self. Why don't you take
your computer and ram it
up your ass (or did I already say that), you supreme dork and jerk.
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Fucking Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Feb 2005 07:25:35
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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"Chester Williams" <CW@bikepartguy.org > wrote in message
news:41ff31d0$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> Hayes El Camino Disc Brakes Fastest disc brakes in the Universe
>
> The El Camino features Power Adjust Dial, which modulates braking power by
> +/-10%. The Mono-Block caliper is forged using 6061-T6 aluminum while the
> open back design allows improved airflow across the pads. If you are a fat
> old ignorant white man from Minn do not buy these brakes. Nothing will
> stop your sorry ass when you need to stop.
>
> The rotating banjo hose attachment offers optimal hose placement. Perfect
> for all the hose heads on A.R.B.R.
>
> Chester
>Fucking Ed Gin! Why don't you get a life you miserable Mongoloid bastard.
> You are a self-centered, self-serving, self-indulgent egomaniac ... a
> disingenuous, nefarious, cretinous scumbag ... an amoral, vile, vulgar
> deviate, a contemptible, seething, puerile twerp ... a moronic,
> infantile, foolish twit ... a worthless, obnoxious, parasitic
> pantywaist ... an incoherent, babbling, imbecilic half-wit ... a gray,
> insignificant, low-life dolt ... a tiresome, brain-dead, boring dullard
> ... a pathetic, pitiful, pretentious pansy ... a slimy, gutless, feeble
> coward. Cloaked in a cyber-space pseudonym, you are an opportunistic,
> infectious, bottom feeding troll ... an oozing festering, canker on the
> hide of Internet newsgroups. I guess that just about sums it up.
>
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Date: 27 Jan 2005 04:05:32
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com > wrote in message
news:35r31fF4o7fbjU1@individual.net...
> LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m wrote:
>
>> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know how much "speed" [a fairing] adds, if any
>>
>>
>> I do: it adds a significant amount. I once rode another owner's
>> large-frame Tour Easy with a fairing, and I was surprised at how much
>> additional speed I achieved. I had him pace me on my own TE to confirm
>> that the effect wasn't psychological, and it wasn't. He clocked my normal
>> cruising speed at 20mph, and the same effort by me on his bike produced
>> 24mph.
>
> Non-instrumented observation indicates that front fairings are the most
> effective on bicycles where the rider sits relatively upright and close to
> the handlebars, e.g. Easy Racers Tour Easy, GRR, Ti-GRR; Cambie Recumboni;
> RANS Stratus, Tailwind. ...
I have an early version of the RANS V2 with the Mueller fairing and I have
often wondered how effective it is for increasing my speed. The fairing sits
quite a distance away from your body, so it is different than the faring on
the Tour Easy which sits much closer to your body. It seems reasonable to me
that you would want the faring as close to your body as possible for maximum
effect. You do not want any air flow getting between you and the fairing. I
think this is what happens with my RANS V2.
--
Regards,
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Date: 27 Jan 2005 09:38:31
From: Steve Knight
Subject: Re: tax return burning a hole in my pocket (G)
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right now I am not sure if I want a fairing. I only commute and I think it would
get in the way running errands and such.
I broke a couple of spokes in the rear so i think a new wheelset would be a
better investment. I can get a velocity deep v rim and hub for 159.00 and I will
test out one of the suspension hubs and if I like it I will get a front wheel
made with one.
maybe a new rear shock if I can find out the size it is.
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