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Date: 06 Aug 2007 13:15:47
From: !Jones
Subject: 20" fork
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Hello Techies!
Does anyone know of a 20" fork that's available with disk brake
hardware? I figured that the BMXers would use 'em; however, I've been
looking dilligently for a while and I don't see any. I guess I could
get an unpainted fork and weld it on, but then I'd have to build the
jig... *much* eaiser to use what's already available.
Thanks,
Jones
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 21:16:55
From: DanKMTB@gmail.com
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Aug 7, 4:41 pm, !Jones <p...@off.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:00:13 -0000, in rec.bicycles.tech
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> "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I think you'd get more help if you gave more info, such as the
> >application. Trials? BMX? Recumbent? Kids Mountain Bike?
> >Different tools for different applications and all that...
>
> Well, yeah... but it's a complete oddball... like me. I'm the guy the
> shops hate to see walk in because it's bound to be weird!
I'm like that too, my 2 favorite bikes are considered "obsolete" by
many shops. I've found a couple good ones who work with me over the
years, but I feel your pain.
> >You've been given links to some 20" forks w/ disc mounts already...
>
> Did I miss something? I mean, I don't see that, by asking a question,
> I obligate you or anyone else to provide an answer; however,
I never suggested anyone was obligated. At first I was tempted to
answer your question, but a couple seconds on google left me with a
range from high-end trials stuff to walgoose kids mtn bikes, and I
decided not to put in too much time without knowing the application.
> apparently, since you say it's there, I just missed it. Would you do
> me a big Big BIG favor and repost the links because I'm a total
> fucking idiot and don't know how to use a news reader.
Maybe you missed something, maybe I missed something. Tom Jon Sunset
Sherman gave a link to this:
http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=1049573167
Jeff Wills gave you a link to a 'bent that uses the suspension fork,
I'd bet a little footwork could source the fork by itself. That link
is here:
http://www.bacchettabikes.com/recumbents/bikes/giro20_specs.htm
> Methinks it's strange that the BMX crowd doesn't accept the disk
> brakes. They obviously use front brakes because lugs for the U-style
> units are plentiful on existing hardware... so why not caliper mounts?
> Hey! I know squat of BMX stuff, so it's an honest question.
As a former BMXer who still plays around, I'll take a stab. First,
BMX is Bicycle Motocross. A true BMX bike never has front brakes,
they won't even allow them on the track. Dirt Jumpers rarely have
front brakes either. Where you tend to see front brakes is flatland/
freestyle & sometimes in skate parks. In both applications, speed is
basically low and conditions are generally dry. Also, these bikes
tend to do a lot of crashing, slamming off of everything from skate
ramps to park benches to concrete ledges. Disc brakes would get
mangled FAST, especially grinding. (I cringed just thinking about
trying to hop up onto a cement ledge for a grind with disc brakes)
So, In regards to disc brakes in the 20" disciplines:
BMX:
Illegal
Dirt Jumping:
Unnecessary
DJ bikes are often also race bikes
DJ bikes are meant to be bombproof, hundreds of falls in a row.
Disc brakes introduce an unnecessary weak link
Flatland/Freestyle:
See DJ bikes, remove sometimes race bike aspect, add in grinding
aspect
Trials:
Some do.
Recumbents:
Some do.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 18:39:49
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:16:55 -0000, in rec.bicycles.tech
"DanKMTB@gmail.com" <DanKMTB@gmail.com > wrote:
>Maybe you missed something, maybe I missed something. Tom Jon Sunset
>Sherman gave a link to this:
>http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=1049573167
Yeah, we discussed that.
>Jeff Wills gave you a link to a 'bent that uses the suspension fork,
>I'd bet a little footwork could source the fork by itself. That link
>is here:
>http://www.bacchettabikes.com/recumbents/bikes/giro20_specs.htm
Yup, I had seen that... was trying to get a source for the fork. I
'spect that someone sells a Bacchetta fork; however, I haven't been
able to locate anyone.
But, I dunno what we're arguin' about... someone did, in fact, nail it
down, so I'm happy as a clam having just placed my order for a 20"
fork with a caliper mount. Hey! That's Usenet... seventeen people
call you a fuckin' moron for asking and one person answers; I don't
see it happening any differently in any other news group.
The other day, I was over on a kayak group and asked about
outriggers... and the whole place started screaming and frothing at
the mouth. I never did figure out why; I gather that they had
recently had a long flame war involving outrigger kayaks... go
figgure,
But Usenet and RBT remain excellent resources... and the kayak group
is, too, when they settle down.
Jones
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 15:00:13
From: DanKMTB@gmail.com
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Aug 7, 10:38 am, !Jones <p...@off.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:17:52 +0100, in rec.bicycles.tech Kinky Cowboy
>
> <u...@domain.com> wrote:
> >Golly, we're all a bit snippy today aren't we?
>
> Oh, sometimes it comes across thus in this medium. Apologies and
> all... wasn't meant thus. I spend too much time on the "alt" groups
> where that's norm.
>
> Jones
I think you'd get more help if you gave more info, such as the
application. Trials? BMX? Recumbent? Kids Mountain Bike?
Different tools for different applications and all that...
You've been given links to some 20" forks w/ disc mounts already, but
there are enough makes out there that odds of us hitting your app. on
the head without more info are slim. I could find you a high-dollar
trials fork w/ disc mounts, or an entire kids mtn bike with disc
mounts for less than the forks I just mentioned.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 15:41:16
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:00:13 -0000, in rec.bicycles.tech
"DanKMTB@gmail.com" <DanKMTB@gmail.com > wrote:
>I think you'd get more help if you gave more info, such as the
>application. Trials? BMX? Recumbent? Kids Mountain Bike?
>Different tools for different applications and all that...
Well, yeah... but it's a complete oddball... like me. I'm the guy the
shops hate to see walk in because it's bound to be weird!
>You've been given links to some 20" forks w/ disc mounts already...
Did I miss something? I mean, I don't see that, by asking a question,
I obligate you or anyone else to provide an answer; however,
apparently, since you say it's there, I just missed it. Would you do
me a big Big BIG favor and repost the links because I'm a total
fucking idiot and don't know how to use a news reader.
Methinks it's strange that the BMX crowd doesn't accept the disk
brakes. They obviously use front brakes because lugs for the U-style
units are plentiful on existing hardware... so why not caliper mounts?
Hey! I know squat of BMX stuff, so it's an honest question.
Jones
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 19:43:58
From: JeffWills
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Aug 6, 3:31 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@invailid.com > wrote:
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> Quite a few recumbents use front disc brakes.
>
Such as a Bacchetta Giro 20:
http://www.bacchettabikes.com/recumbents/bikes/giro20_specs.htm
Jeff
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 21:49:18
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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Jeff Wills wrote:
> On Aug 6, 3:31 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>
>> Quite a few recumbents use front disc brakes.
>>
>
> Such as a Bacchetta Giro 20:
> http://www.bacchettabikes.com/recumbents/bikes/giro20_specs.htm
That bike has a front linear pull cantilever (aka V-brake) but the fork
does have a disc brake mount.
I personally would be hesitant to use a front wheel disc brake in
combination with a QR hub (insert "jim beam" counter-argument here).
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 18:44:46
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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!Jones who? wrote:
> Hello Techies!
>
> Does anyone know of a 20" fork that's available with disk brake
> hardware? I figured that the BMXers would use 'em; however, I've been
> looking dilligently for a while and I don't see any. I guess I could
> get an unpainted fork and weld it on, but then I'd have to build the
> jig... *much* eaiser to use what's already available.
The Sasa aka MEKS forks are available with disc brake mounts in the ISO
406-mm size, but are far from inexpensive:
<http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=1049573167 >.
This supplier suggest cutting down a taller disc fork for small wheel
use: <http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/frame/forks/fork.html >.
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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 21:55:28
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:44:46 -0500, in rec.bicycles.tech "Tom \"Johnny
Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@invailid.com > wrote:
>The Sasa aka MEKS forks are available with disc brake mounts in the ISO
>406-mm size, but are far from inexpensive:
><http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=1049573167>.
Yeah, that's an understatement!
>This supplier suggest cutting down a taller disc fork for small wheel
>use: <http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/frame/forks/fork.html>.
I've seen that suggested; however, I've never "cut down" a fork and
wouldn't know how to proceed. It would seem to be easier to weld the
caliper mount to an existing fork. I'll spend some time on a lathe
cutting a mandrel and welding fixture; however, the concept is simple.
Oh! Lookey look what someone just sent me from the recumbent group!
http://www.calhouncycle.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=136&idproduct=1091
You have to wade through lots of crap (usually) but there is still
good info on Usenet.
Jones
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 22:04:00
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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!Jones wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:44:46 -0500, in rec.bicycles.tech "Tom \"Johnny
> Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@invailid.com> wrote:
>
>> The Sasa aka MEKS forks are available with disc brake mounts in the ISO
>> 406-mm size, but are far from inexpensive:
>> <http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=1049573167>.
>
> Yeah, that's an understatement!
>
>> This supplier suggest cutting down a taller disc fork for small wheel
>> use: <http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/frame/forks/fork.html>.
>
> I've seen that suggested; however, I've never "cut down" a fork and
> wouldn't know how to proceed. It would seem to be easier to weld the
> caliper mount to an existing fork. I'll spend some time on a lathe
> cutting a mandrel and welding fixture; however, the concept is simple.
>
> Oh! Lookey look what someone just sent me from the recumbent group!
> http://www.calhouncycle.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=136&idproduct=1091
> You have to wade through lots of crap (usually) but there is still
> good info on Usenet.
butbutbut, isn't $30 a lot for a fork? ;)
Calhoun Cycle is a good shop to deal with in my experience.
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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 17:37:09
From: Kinky Cowboy
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:15:47 GMT, !Jones <piss@off.com > wrote:
>Hello Techies!
>
>Does anyone know of a 20" fork that's available with disk brake
>hardware? I figured that the BMXers would use 'em; however, I've been
>looking dilligently for a while and I don't see any. I guess I could
>get an unpainted fork and weld it on, but then I'd have to build the
>jig... *much* eaiser to use what's already available.
BMX race bikes don't have front brakes; braking isn't really part of
the sport. Some flatland forks have U-brake or V-brake mounts, either
of which is enough for a bike which has the roll centre much lower
than an MTB and isn't ridden in the rain. There are some 20" Trials
forks with disc mounts (Onza, Brisa), but these are usually longer
than a BMX fork.
Kinky Cowboy*
*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 21:42:31
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:37:09 +0100, in rec.bicycles.tech Kinky Cowboy
<user@domain.com > wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:15:47 GMT, !Jones <piss@off.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello Techies!
>>
>>Does anyone know of a 20" fork that's available with disk brake
>>hardware?
[...]
>
>BMX race bikes don't have front brakes
[...]
Yes, I'm aware of that; however, that wasn't quite my question... I'll
default the answer to "no" and carry on.
Jones
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 10:17:52
From: Kinky Cowboy
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:42:31 -0500, !Jones <piss@off.com > wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:37:09 +0100, in rec.bicycles.tech Kinky Cowboy
><user@domain.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:15:47 GMT, !Jones <piss@off.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Techies!
>>>
>>>Does anyone know of a 20" fork that's available with disk brake
>>>hardware?
>[...]
>>
>>BMX race bikes don't have front brakes
>[...]
>
>Yes, I'm aware of that; however, that wasn't quite my question... I'll
>default the answer to "no" and carry on.
>
Golly, we're all a bit snippy today aren't we? I gave two
manufacturers for 20" disc brake forks, just because you're too
moronic to google 20"+disc+fork and find the Calhoun shop on the first
page.
Kinky Cowboy*
*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 14:38:54
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:17:52 +0100, in rec.bicycles.tech Kinky Cowboy
<user@domain.com > wrote:
>Golly, we're all a bit snippy today aren't we?
Oh, sometimes it comes across thus in this medium. Apologies and
all... wasn't meant thus. I spend too much time on the "alt" groups
where that's norm.
Jones
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 18:31:29
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: 20" fork
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Kinky Cowboy wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:15:47 GMT, !Jones <piss@off.com> wrote:
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>> Hello Techies!
>>
>> Does anyone know of a 20" fork that's available with disk brake
>> hardware? I figured that the BMXers would use 'em; however, I've been
>> looking dilligently for a while and I don't see any. I guess I could
>> get an unpainted fork and weld it on, but then I'd have to build the
>> jig... *much* eaiser to use what's already available.
>
> BMX race bikes don't have front brakes; braking isn't really part of
> the sport. Some flatland forks have U-brake or V-brake mounts, either
> of which is enough for a bike which has the roll centre much lower
> than an MTB and isn't ridden in the rain. There are some 20" Trials
> forks with disc mounts (Onza, Brisa), but these are usually longer
> than a BMX fork.
Quite a few recumbents use front disc brakes.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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