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Date: 17 Oct 2007 20:59:23
From: Greens
Subject: A chart for risk
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http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is safe
for work and not gross or anything.
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Date: 21 Oct 2007 03:25:23
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Oct 20, 9:21 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <1192924587.201519.182...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
> ,
>
> datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Mike, I left the H off. that's what your liver does, what sorenson's
> > liver used to do. I stopped drinking CHOH 7 years ago, the bike
> > training produced an allergic CHOH reaction.
>
> Not a formula for a common substance. H3COH is methyl alcohol.
> It is a good thing you stopped. Unless you are talking about
> ethyl alcohol H3CH2COH, often shortened as EtOH.
>
> --
> Michael Press
look mike if you want I'll spell a-l-C-H-O-l from here on in, OK?
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Date: 21 Oct 2007 17:19:11
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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In article
<1192932717.941687.274950@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Oct 20, 9:21 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <1192924587.201519.182...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
> > ,
> >
> > datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Mike, I left the H off. that's what your liver does, what sorenson's
> > > liver used to do. I stopped drinking CHOH 7 years ago, the bike
> > > training produced an allergic CHOH reaction.
> >
> > Not a formula for a common substance. H3COH is methyl alcohol.
> > It is a good thing you stopped. Unless you are talking about
> > ethyl alcohol H3CH2COH, often shortened as EtOH.
>
> look mike if you want I'll spell a-l-C-H-O-l from here on in, OK?
Do what you will. You act as if I am making demands. I
asked what you meant by CHO and your first reply was
vague. I had to try to fill in the blanks with EtOH.
You never said until after I guessed. I will not even
attempt to decipher your remark about liver metabolism.
Here is a demand. Spell my name properly.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 21 Oct 2007 05:56:14
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Oct 20, 3:55 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:37:40 -0700, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net>
> > ><1192887756.305391.314...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
> > >,
> > > datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
> > >> proven to increase lifespan
> > >> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
> > >> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
> > >> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
>
> > >You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
> > >as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
> > >among chemists. What is it supposed to be?
>
> > Dear Michael,
>
> >http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=cho&string=exact
>
> But what does datakoll mean when he writes `CHO'.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0300274/
I guess Gene is a fan.
HTH, Ben
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Date: 21 Oct 2007 02:36:14
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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-reduct text source-
oh my, that's sherman's liver
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Date: 21 Oct 2007 12:42:52
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
> -reduct text source-
>
> oh my, that's sherman's liver
A good beer does go well with fried liver and onions.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 21 Oct 2007 12:42:07
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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datakoll wrote:
> -reduct text source-
>
> oh my, that's sherman's liver
A good beer does go well with fried liver and onions.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 20:22:31
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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datakoll wrote:
> -reduct text source-
>
> oh my, that's sherman's liver
well ok then :-P
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 16:56:27
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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- eliminate the text source -
Mike, I left the H off. that's what your liver does, what sorenson's
liver used to do. I stopped drinking CHOH 7 years ago, the bike
training produced an allergic CHOH reaction.
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 18:21:47
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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In article
<1192924587.201519.182760@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com >
,
datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Mike, I left the H off. that's what your liver does, what sorenson's
> liver used to do. I stopped drinking CHOH 7 years ago, the bike
> training produced an allergic CHOH reaction.
Not a formula for a common substance. H3COH is methyl alcohol.
It is a good thing you stopped. Unless you are talking about
ethyl alcohol H3CH2COH, often shortened as EtOH.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 21 Oct 2007 14:00:09
From: still me
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:21:47 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net >
wrote:
>
>Not a formula for a common substance. H3COH is methyl alcohol.
>It is a good thing you stopped. Unless you are talking about
>ethyl alcohol H3CH2COH, often shortened as EtOH.
Those alcohol's won't damage anything, just don't drink the MTBE. (The
EPA told me so).
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 18:15:11
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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datakoll wrote:
> - eliminate the text source -
>
> Mike, I left the H off. that's what your liver does, what sorenson's
> liver used to do. I stopped drinking CHOH 7 years ago, the bike
> training produced an allergic CHOH reaction.
You've been listening to the pill-popping Disability-collecting liberal loon
WNMNBM too much. HTH
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 19:42:43
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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LIVE FROM MADISON IOWA A DRUNKEN ORGY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol
CHOH
izit ok if i use choh?
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 12:50:22
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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datakoll wrote:
> LIVE FROM MADISON IOWA A DRUNKEN ORGY
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol
> CHOH
> izit ok if i use choh?
>
not if you value your eyesight - stick to the two-carbon solution.
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 14:49:48
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
> LIVE FROM MADISON IOWA A DRUNKEN ORGY
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol
> CHOH
> izit ok if i use choh?
>
Only in moderation. Stop at a mild buzz.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 10:17:20
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Oct 20, 4:36 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> joseph.santanie...@gmail.com aka Joseph Santaniello wrote:
>
> > On Oct 20, 4:01 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>
> >>> ...
> >>> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
> >>> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
> >>> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life....
> >> That would only make life SEEM longer. Time drags when your not having fun.
>
> > I ride so fast my internal clock slows down.
>
> Does your increased mass compensate for the shorter distance?
>
I suppose that explains a lot!
But at least my kit is blue so the guys trying to hold my wheel don't
lose sight of me as I move south in the visible spectrum.
Joseph
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 07:30:22
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Oct 20, 4:01 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>
> > ...
> > there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
> > of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
> > lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life....
>
> That would only make life SEEM longer. Time drags when your not having fun.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
I ride so fast my internal clock slows down.
Joseph
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 09:36:31
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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joseph.santaniello@gmail.com aka Joseph Santaniello wrote:
> On Oct 20, 4:01 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
>>> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
>>> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life....
>> That would only make life SEEM longer. Time drags when your not having fun.
>>
>
> I ride so fast my internal clock slows down.
Does your increased mass compensate for the shorter distance?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 13:42:36
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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.
air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
proven to increase lifespan
there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
but excercise itself does not.
caws the total group would excercise but not....
Jim Beatty smoked!
Pistol Pete...
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 11:37:40
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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In article
<1192887756.305391.314310@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com >
,
datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com > wrote:
> .
>
> air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
>
> anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
> proven to increase lifespan
> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
> as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
> drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
> but excercise itself does not.
> caws the total group would excercise but not....
> Jim Beatty smoked!
> Pistol Pete...
You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
among chemists. What is it supposed to be?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 14:22:57
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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> datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
>> anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
>> proven to increase lifespan
>> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
>> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
>> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
>> as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
>> drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
>> but excercise itself does not.
>> caws the total group would excercise but not....
>> Jim Beatty smoked!
>> Pistol Pete...
Michael Press wrote:
> You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
> as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
> among chemists. What is it supposed to be?
Oops! I am surely not an expert. This:
http://chemistry.about.com/od/dictionariesglossaries/g/defalcohol.htm?terms=butyl+alcohol
says "C2H5OH" for the drinkable kind.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 14:19:46
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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> datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
>> anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
>> proven to increase lifespan
>> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
>> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
>> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
>> as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
>> drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
>> but excercise itself does not.
>> caws the total group would excercise but not....
>> Jim Beatty smoked!
>> Pistol Pete...
Michael Press wrote:
> You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
> as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
> among chemists. What is it supposed to be?
Genespeak for 'alcohol'
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/alcohol_chemistry.shtml
says, more descriptively, "C2H6O"
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 13:02:23
From:
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:37:40 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net >
wrote:
>In article
><1192887756.305391.314310@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
>,
> datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> .
>>
>> air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
>>
>> anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
>> proven to increase lifespan
>> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
>> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
>> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
>> as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
>> drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
>> but excercise itself does not.
>> caws the total group would excercise but not....
>> Jim Beatty smoked!
>> Pistol Pete...
>
>You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
>as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
>among chemists. What is it supposed to be?
Dear Michael,
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=cho&string=exact
CHOeers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 15:55:05
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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In article
<k4kkh3ts6gu0feiq271b3q62qg5hqh7a0e@4ax.com >,
carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:37:40 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><1192887756.305391.314310@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
> >,
> > datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> .
> >>
> >> air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
> >>
> >> anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
> >> proven to increase lifespan
> >> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
> >> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
> >> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
> >> as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
> >> drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
> >> but excercise itself does not.
> >> caws the total group would excercise but not....
> >> Jim Beatty smoked!
> >> Pistol Pete...
> >
> >You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
> >as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
> >among chemists. What is it supposed to be?
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=cho&string=exact
But what does datakoll mean when he writes `CHO'.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 14:31:21
From: Mark
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:37:40 -0700, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <1192887756.305391.314310@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
>> ,
>> datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> air/space crashes and bicycle accidents? something wrong there
>>>
>>> anyway, yawl making an unfounded assumption here - excercise is not
>>> proven to increase lifespan
>>> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
>>> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
>>> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life.
>>> as an alternative to excercise yields longer life one could say
>>> drinking water yields longer life or nutrition, of course yields ...
>>> but excercise itself does not.
>>> caws the total group would excercise but not....
>>> Jim Beatty smoked!
>>> Pistol Pete...
>> You continue to mention CHO. I do not recognize CHO
>> as an official chemical formula or as a common usage
>> among chemists. What is it supposed to be?
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=cho&string=exact
>
> CHOeers,
>
> Carl Fogel
Ahh - Chinese Hamster Ovary. That clears that up.
Mark J.
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 09:01:27
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
> ...
> there are significant statistical exceptions to this in a small group
> of early age exercisers, also people tending to exhibit many other
> lifesaving virtues, no CHO, thru life....
That would only make life SEEM longer. Time drags when your not having fun.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 20:17:54
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Oct 19, 9:07 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net > wrote:
> Considering all the exercise, how much longer is a cyclist going to live if
> he doesn't get hit by a car*? From what I remember he can expect to live 3
> years longer than a couch potato so he risks the loss of half a lifetime to
> gain 3 years and a higher level of fitness throughout life.
It's not a one to one exchange. You are talking about trading a remote
possibility for a definite probability.
But I don't think it works like that anyway. I think people who ride
bikes (or excerice regularly in other ways) live longer because of who
they are and the types of choices they make, not so much because they
happen to exercise. I think exercise is more of an indicator than a
cause.
Joseph
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 09:48:59
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Oct 19, 4:17 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net > wrote:
> "A Muzi" <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
>
> news:13hf1k08pvpdkf5@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>
> >>> Greens wrote:
> >>>>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
> >>>> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
> >>>> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
> >>>> safe for work and not gross or anything.
>
> >> A Muzi wrote:
> >>> Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!
>
> > DougC wrote:
> >> No, wait.....
> >> According to that chart, riding around in a car powered by fireworks
> >> should still be 34 times as safe as riding a bicycle.....
>
> > Funny.
> > If you believe that, go ahead.
> > As far as 'riding' versus 'death' observe the 'heart failure' section.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> >www.yellowjersey.org
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> Probably the best way to reduce the risks of cycling is to bicycle while
> shooting off fireworks in a thunderstorm. You could keep the M-80s in the
> front basket and ride along lighting them with the cigarette in your mouth.
> Perfect for canal trails! Of course this means you'll only be able to ride
> in thunderstorms, but that's a small price to pay for the extra years added
> to your life.
I was in Spain a few months ago and I saw a guy riding a motorcycle
with his full faced helmet pushed back onto the back of his head so he
could smoke while riding one handed aggressively in heavy traffic. The
other hand was being used to steady a gas-can he was carrying on his
lap. I wonder where he figures on this chart?
Joseph
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 23:33:00
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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In article
<1192777454.839306.90390@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
"joseph.santaniello@gmail.com"
<joseph.santaniello@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 19, 4:17 am, "Greens" <p...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> > "A Muzi" <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
> >
> > news:13hf1k08pvpdkf5@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> Greens wrote:
> > >>>>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
> > >>>> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
> > >>>> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
> > >>>> safe for work and not gross or anything.
> >
> > >> A Muzi wrote:
> > >>> Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!
> >
> > > DougC wrote:
> > >> No, wait.....
> > >> According to that chart, riding around in a car powered by fireworks
> > >> should still be 34 times as safe as riding a bicycle.....
> >
> > > Funny.
> > > If you believe that, go ahead.
> > > As far as 'riding' versus 'death' observe the 'heart failure' section.
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > >www.yellowjersey.org
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > Probably the best way to reduce the risks of cycling is to bicycle while
> > shooting off fireworks in a thunderstorm. You could keep the M-80s in the
> > front basket and ride along lighting them with the cigarette in your mouth.
> > Perfect for canal trails! Of course this means you'll only be able to ride
> > in thunderstorms, but that's a small price to pay for the extra years added
> > to your life.
>
> I was in Spain a few months ago and I saw a guy riding a motorcycle
> with his full faced helmet pushed back onto the back of his head so he
> could smoke while riding one handed aggressively in heavy traffic. The
> other hand was being used to steady a gas-can he was carrying on his
> lap. I wonder where he figures on this chart?
At the end of the scale that reads "Aw, fuckit."
--
Michael Press
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 23:50:34
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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"Greens" <prbj@adelphia.net > wrote in message
news:u72dnRBY4OKMMovanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
>
> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
> safe for work and not gross or anything.
What isn't discussed is how less active people like cyclists are to die from
the most serious of risks - heart disease.
Jeff
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 03:07:54
From: Greens
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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"Jeff" <none@nothingX.com > wrote in message
news:4716da31$0$26387$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>
> "Greens" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:u72dnRBY4OKMMovanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
>>
>> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
>> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
>> safe for work and not gross or anything.
>
>
> What isn't discussed is how less active people like cyclists are to die
> from the most serious of risks - heart disease.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
Heart disease is number the number one cause of death as listed on that
chart. Of course heart disease tends to kill an older person. Sooner or
later something has to take you out and that's why cancer, stroke and heart
disease are at the top.
"The average age for a first heart attack is 65.8 years for men and 70.4
years for women."
"In 2003, the average age of
bicyclists killed was 35.8 years,
and the average age of those
injured was 26.5 years."
One way to look at it is by number of years lost. I think the average male
lives to 70. If he dies by that first heart attack, he only loses 4.2 years
off his average life expectancy. The average cyclist loses 34.2 years.
That's nearly half a lifetime vs. 4.2 years. The death of the cyclist is
therefore more disruptive and tragic. Chances are his kids aren't fully
grown.
Considering all the exercise, how much longer is a cyclist going to live if
he doesn't get hit by a car*? From what I remember he can expect to live 3
years longer than a couch potato so he risks the loss of half a lifetime to
gain 3 years and a higher level of fitness throughout life.
*After all cyclists die of cancer and heart disease too.
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 17:23:22
From: Mark
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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Greens wrote:
> "In 2003, the average age of
> bicyclists killed was 35.8 years,
>
> and the average age of those
>
> injured was 26.5 years."
Is that averaging in the fatalities that occur before the age of 12? My
guess is that the distribution is clustered in the childhood years, with
an extremely long tail into the post-retirement years and that the long
tail is what raises the average out of childhood.
No point lumping in cautious, skilled adult cyclists with incautious,
unskilled children (who engage in many types of dangerous riding the
rest of us wouldn't go near). Do you have an average-age-killed figure
limited to adult, experienced cyclists?
Mark J.
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 13:26:15
From: still me
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:23:22 -0700, Mark
<remove.mandmlj.this@remove.comcast.this.net > wrote:
>
>Is that averaging in the fatalities that occur before the age of 12? My
>guess is that the distribution is clustered in the childhood years, with
>an extremely long tail into the post-retirement years and that the long
>tail is what raises the average out of childhood.
Taken alone, an "average" is about the most useless statistic ever
developed.
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 18:33:34
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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>> "Greens" <prbj@adelphia.net> wrote
>>> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
>>> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
>>> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
>>> safe for work and not gross or anything.
> "Jeff" <none@nothingX.com> wrote
>> What isn't discussed is how less active people like cyclists are to die
>> from the most serious of risks - heart disease.
Greens wrote:
> Heart disease is number the number one cause of death as listed on that
> chart. Of course heart disease tends to kill an older person. Sooner or
> later something has to take you out and that's why cancer, stroke and heart
> disease are at the top.
> "The average age for a first heart attack is 65.8 years for men and 70.4
> years for women."
> "In 2003, the average age of bicyclists killed was 35.8 years,
> and the average age of those injured was 26.5 years."
> One way to look at it is by number of years lost. I think the average male
> lives to 70. If he dies by that first heart attack, he only loses 4.2 years
> off his average life expectancy. The average cyclist loses 34.2 years.
> That's nearly half a lifetime vs. 4.2 years. The death of the cyclist is
> therefore more disruptive and tragic. Chances are his kids aren't fully
> grown.
> Considering all the exercise, how much longer is a cyclist going to live if
> he doesn't get hit by a car*? From what I remember he can expect to live 3
> years longer than a couch potato so he risks the loss of half a lifetime to
> gain 3 years and a higher level of fitness throughout life.
>
> *After all cyclists die of cancer and heart disease too.
`"In 2003, the average age of bicyclists killed was 35.8 years"
I'm overdue?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 20:15:31
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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Greens wrote:
> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
>
> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It
> is safe for work and not gross or anything.
Pretty chart.
{pause}
Pretty USELESS, that is!
Bill "engage in middle activity to prevent first COD" S.
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 20:49:56
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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Greens wrote:
> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is safe
> for work and not gross or anything.
Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 21:14:54
From: DougC
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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A Muzi wrote:
> Greens wrote:
>> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
>> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
>> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It
>> is safe for work and not gross or anything.
>
> Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!
No, wait.....
According to that chart, riding around in a car powered by fireworks
should still be 34 times as safe as riding a bicycle.....
~
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 11:16:25
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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>> Greens wrote:
>>> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
>>> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about
>>> "dangerous" activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort
>>> of way. It is safe for work and not gross or anything.
> A Muzi wrote:
>> Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!
DougC wrote:
> No, wait.....
> According to that chart, riding around in a car powered by fireworks
> should still be 34 times as safe as riding a bicycle.....
Funny.
If you believe that, go ahead.
As far as 'riding' versus 'death' observe the 'heart failure' section.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 22:17:13
From: Greens
Subject: Re: A chart for risk
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"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote in message
news:13hf1k08pvpdkf5@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Greens wrote:
>>>> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dying.jpg
>>>> If you remember that discussion we had some time ago about "dangerous"
>>>> activities. This chart maps out the stats in a vivid sort of way. It is
>>>> safe for work and not gross or anything.
>
>> A Muzi wrote:
>>> Since life is fatal, inexorably, may as well ride now!
>
> DougC wrote:
>> No, wait.....
>> According to that chart, riding around in a car powered by fireworks
>> should still be 34 times as safe as riding a bicycle.....
>
> Funny.
> If you believe that, go ahead.
> As far as 'riding' versus 'death' observe the 'heart failure' section.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Probably the best way to reduce the risks of cycling is to bicycle while
shooting off fireworks in a thunderstorm. You could keep the M-80s in the
front basket and ride along lighting them with the cigarette in your mouth.
Perfect for canal trails! Of course this means you'll only be able to ride
in thunderstorms, but that's a small price to pay for the extra years added
to your life.
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