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Date: 01 Jun 2007 09:18:36
From: * * Chas
Subject: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?
Chas.
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 19:37:38
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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On Jun 4, 11:38 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com > wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
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> news:1180954313.288861.41120@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Jun 4, 2:01 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> > > "A Muzi" <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
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> > >news:1366vrrip207nac@corp.supernews.com...
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> > > > >>> * * Chas <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe
> cranks
> > > besides
> > > > >>>> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?
>
> > > > >> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
> > > > >>> Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe.
> I
> > > have
> > > > >>> their official product brochures here:
> > > > >>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
> > > > >>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf
>
> > > > >Steve Gravrock <use...@sdg.users.panix.com> wrote:
> > > > >> For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are
> > > very
> > > > >> attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I
> had
> > > > >> from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are
> much
> > > > >> more nicely finished.
>
> > > > John Thompson wrote:
> > > > > The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard
> > > 116mm
> > > > > BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still
> in
> > > > > production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
> > > > > self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.
>
> > > > For as often as that operation's needed, a visit to your LBS for
> crank
> > > > removal with Campagnolo's LH puller isn't a big deal.
>
> > > > 116mm rings mean you either like the gearing or you should pass on
> these
> > > > cranks.
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Muzi
>
> > > Thanks, too late...
>
> > > I picked up a rare Italian vintage frame from a local seller earlier
> this
> > > year. He offered me a deal on a vintage grupo of my choice. Last week
> was
> > > the first time we were able to get together to work out a deal on the
> > > components.
>
> > > He had a box full of recent Campy acquisitions. In the mix was an
> almost
> > > new Victory crankset with self extractor crank bolts. I'd never seen
> one
> > > of these cranks up close and after looking at R/NR/SR cranks and
> clones
> > > for 40+ years I figured it might look good on one of my bikes.
>
> > > 52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several
> LBSs
> > > in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without
> a
> > > problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T
> 116mm
> > > chainrings.
>
> > I fear you are doomed, my friend.........
>
> Potential uses:
>
> 1. A squirrel killing ninja Frisbee with a handle?
>
> 2. A nice wall decoration
>
> 3. A ruthless eBay sale...
>
> 42T and 52T 116mm chainrings are available and that's what I have but I'm
> getting too long in the tooth to push high gears anymore.
>
How 'bout one of those Shimano 7sp 13-34 MegaRange FWs? :)
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 10:51:53
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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On Jun 4, 2:01 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com > wrote:
> "A Muzi" <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
>
> news:1366vrrip207nac@corp.supernews.com...
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>
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> > >>> * * Chas <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
> besides
> > >>>> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?
>
> > >> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
> > >>> Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe. I
> have
> > >>> their official product brochures here:
> > >>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
> > >>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf
>
> > >Steve Gravrock <use...@sdg.users.panix.com> wrote:
> > >> For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are
> very
> > >> attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I had
> > >> from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are much
> > >> more nicely finished.
>
> > John Thompson wrote:
> > > The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard
> 116mm
> > > BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still in
> > > production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
> > > self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.
>
> > For as often as that operation's needed, a visit to your LBS for crank
> > removal with Campagnolo's LH puller isn't a big deal.
>
> > 116mm rings mean you either like the gearing or you should pass on these
> > cranks.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
>
> Thanks, too late...
>
> I picked up a rare Italian vintage frame from a local seller earlier this
> year. He offered me a deal on a vintage grupo of my choice. Last week was
> the first time we were able to get together to work out a deal on the
> components.
>
> He had a box full of recent Campy acquisitions. In the mix was an almost
> new Victory crankset with self extractor crank bolts. I'd never seen one
> of these cranks up close and after looking at R/NR/SR cranks and clones
> for 40+ years I figured it might look good on one of my bikes.
>
> 52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several LBSs
> in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without a
> problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T 116mm
> chainrings.
>
I fear you are doomed, my friend.........
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 09:38:59
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1180954313.288861.41120@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 4, 2:01 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> > "A Muzi" <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1366vrrip207nac@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >>> * * Chas <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe
cranks
> > besides
> > > >>>> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?
> >
> > > >> John Thompson <j...@vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
> > > >>> Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe.
I
> > have
> > > >>> their official product brochures here:
> > > >>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
> > > >>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf
> >
> > > >Steve Gravrock <use...@sdg.users.panix.com> wrote:
> > > >> For all their faults detailed elsewhere in this thread, those are
> > very
> > > >> attractive cranks. They look almost exactly like some SR cranks I
had
> > > >> from about that same period, except that the Campag cranks are
much
> > > >> more nicely finished.
> >
> > > John Thompson wrote:
> > > > The biggest drawback to the cranks was the completely non-standard
> > 116mm
> > > > BCD. This limited chainring availablity even when they were still
in
> > > > production. Plus, the left-hand thread on the Victory crank's
> > > > self-extracting bolts could be problematic if you lost one.
> >
> > > For as often as that operation's needed, a visit to your LBS for
crank
> > > removal with Campagnolo's LH puller isn't a big deal.
> >
> > > 116mm rings mean you either like the gearing or you should pass on
these
> > > cranks.
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> >
> > Thanks, too late...
> >
> > I picked up a rare Italian vintage frame from a local seller earlier
this
> > year. He offered me a deal on a vintage grupo of my choice. Last week
was
> > the first time we were able to get together to work out a deal on the
> > components.
> >
> > He had a box full of recent Campy acquisitions. In the mix was an
almost
> > new Victory crankset with self extractor crank bolts. I'd never seen
one
> > of these cranks up close and after looking at R/NR/SR cranks and
clones
> > for 40+ years I figured it might look good on one of my bikes.
> >
> > 52/42 is not my cup of tea. I'd seen some 116mm chainrings at several
LBSs
> > in the past so I figured I would be able to get smaller rings without
a
> > problem. So far I've drawn a blank on finding a 50T and under 40T
116mm
> > chainrings.
> >
>
> I fear you are doomed, my friend.........
>
Potential uses:
1. A squirrel killing ninja Frisbee with a handle?
2. A nice wall decoration
3. A ruthless eBay sale...
42T and 52T 116mm chainrings are available and that's what I have but I'm
getting too long in the tooth to push high gears anymore.
Chas.
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Date: 02 Jun 2007 19:27:44
From: John Thompson
Subject: Re: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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On 2007-06-01, * * Chas <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com > wrote:
> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?
Victory has a nicer, polished and anodized finish than Triomphe. I have
their official product brochures here:
http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf
http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf
--
John (john@os2.dhs.org)
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 18:15:05
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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* * Chas wrote:
> Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
> the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?
In that era, Record cranks are an oval cross section, Victory has a
narrowish flat face and beveled sides, Triomphe similar but a broader
face, less 'cut' on the edges.
The extractors may be added or removed with the Record tool. Same 116mm
rings, IIRC.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 15:44:20
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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Indeed, the victory cranks are a big problem. First, I think they are
anodized (triomphe cranks are simply polished). Second, they have
weirdo backwards left-handed (?) threads. If you lose the self
extracting crank bolts you are in deep trouble as reverse-threaded
(campy-made) extractors are rare. Another bad campy idea ...
Finally, the 5 spider arms are actually different on victory and
triomphe, although they look superficially similar. Triomphe arms
taper almost all the way to the chainring bolts ; victory arms have
more of a bowtie traper (they taper inwards, then taper outwards,
roughly in equal amounts) and victory arms are much beefier.
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 21:09:59
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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Donald Gillies wrote:
> Indeed, the victory cranks are a big problem. First, I think they are
> anodized (triomphe cranks are simply polished).
That's not true. I had a set of Victory cranks that were simply
polished aluminum. But, most modern cranks and other parts are
anodized, so that should not be a deal-killer. They would certainly be
not "hard anodized", considering their time frame.
Second, they have
> weirdo backwards left-handed (?) threads.
Yeah. Save at least one of their cheesy self-extractors, else you will
not be able to remove the crank.
--
David L. Johnson
Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig...
You soon find out the pig likes it!
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 17:49:58
From: Booker C. Bense
Subject: Re: Any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks
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* * Chas <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com > wrote:
>Is there any difference between Campy Victory and Triomphe cranks besides
>the self extracting crank bolts in some Victory cranks?
>
This is just a guess, but I think the extractor threads are
different, a Victory crank w/o the self extractor bolts is
useless unless you have the special Left handed thread extractor
tool. I vaguely recall that the Triomphe is more normal and
has right handed extractor threads on both sides.
I am just guessing and could be completely wrong about this.
They are pretty cranks and generally cheap, but it's for a
reason. Between the 116 BCD and the odd threading, they can
be very difficult to actually use.
_ Booker C. Bense
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