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Date: 02 Jul 2007 03:13:55
From: Steve Brunsman
Subject: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup. I've
had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke a
Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else and
the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to break....not
pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite it
too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm glad
it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 13:27:53
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 4, 8:24 am, Michael Warner wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:53:26 -0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> > The 6.2 chain worked fine as did the Wipperman/Mavic 6.2 chain. The
> > 5.9 are quieter, so an improvment, but the 6.2 did 'work well'. It
> > shifted, it was reliable, what else is a chain supposed to do?
>
> Work quietly, presumably. The market must have spoken :-)
>
> >> "What am I on? I'm on my bike, six hours a day, busting my ass.
> >> What are you on?"
> >> --Lance Armstrong
>
> If only he'd had a recumbent!
You are not supposed to mention the "dark side"!
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 08:48:45
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:27:53 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> "What am I on? I'm on my bike, six hours a day, busting my ass.
>>>> What are you on?"
>>>> --Lance Armstrong
>>
>> If only he'd had a recumbent!
>
> You are not supposed to mention the "dark side"!
Pros aren't supposed to mention that their arses hurt :-)
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 11:42:25
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 4, 10:37 am, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> > ALL 10s systems
> > are more finicky, and more expensive. $ to spend for a couple of
> > cogs.
>
> Umm, for 1 cog.
>
Isn't Peter still using freewheels? If so, then 3.
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 06:07:08
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 4, 7:53 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
>
> The 6.2 chain worked fine as did the Wipperman/Mavic 6.2 chain. The
> 5.9 are quieter, so an improvment, but the 6.2 did 'work well'. It
> shifted, it was reliable, what else is a chain supposed to do?
A nickel plated or stainless chain with perforated side plates and
hollow pins looks really cool while the bike is parked at the coffee
shop!
> ...ALL 10s systems are more finicky, and more expensive. $ to spend for a couple of cogs.
Help! I am agreeing with Peter! ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 12:53:26
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 3, 9:55 pm, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> Michael Warner wrote:
> > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:35:22 -0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> >> Any '10s' chain will work with any of the three 10s road groups today.
>
> > But presumably not equally well, or why did Campy go through all
> > the trouble and confusion of bringing out a second, narrower type?
>
> The obvious guess would be that their own chain, supposedly meant for
> the equipment, did not work well. If you trust them, now that they got
> it "right", fine, but it would seem like a good idea to look for other
> brands -- or to return to 9-speed, which does not have this problem.
The 6.2 chain worked fine as did the Wipperman/Mavic 6.2 chain. The
5.9 are quieter, so an improvment, but the 6.2 did 'work well'. It
shifted, it was reliable, what else is a chain supposed to do? shimano
found that when they went to 10s, and made the cogs really close
together, their shifting system works well only by very precise
adjustment and is very prone to noisiness with small degradations in
chain wear, cable wear and drag, BB guide crud, etc. ALL 10s systems
are more finicky, and more expensive. $ to spend for a couple of
cogs.
>
> --
>
> David L. Johnson
>
> "What am I on? I'm on my bike, six hours a day, busting my ass.
> What are you on?"
> --Lance Armstrong
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 13:37:18
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> ALL 10s systems
> are more finicky, and more expensive. $ to spend for a couple of
> cogs.
Umm, for 1 cog.
--
David L. Johnson
The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand mathematics.
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 12:10:09
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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In article <5aSdnVn44uIcRxbbnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@ptd.net >,
"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> > ALL 10s systems
> > are more finicky, and more expensive. $ to spend for a couple of
> > cogs.
>
> Umm, for 1 cog.
Cog means tooth We are counting cogwheels.
Cog, n. [Cf. Sw. kugge a cog, or W. cocos the cogs of a
wheel.]
1. (Mech.) A tooth, cam, or catch for imparting or
receiving motion, as on a gear wheel, or a lifter or
wiper on a shaft; originally, a separate piece of wood
set in a mortise in the face of a wheel.
2. (Carp.) (a) A kind of tenon on the end of a joist,
received into a notch in a bearing timber, and resting
flush with its upper surface. (b) A tenon in a scarf
joint; a coak. Knight.
3. (Mining.) One of the rough pillars of stone or coal
left to support the roof of a mine.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 22:54:02
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:53:26 -0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> The 6.2 chain worked fine as did the Wipperman/Mavic 6.2 chain. The
> 5.9 are quieter, so an improvment, but the 6.2 did 'work well'. It
> shifted, it was reliable, what else is a chain supposed to do?
Work quietly, presumably. The market must have spoken :-)
>> "What am I on? I'm on my bike, six hours a day, busting my ass.
>> What are you on?"
>> --Lance Armstrong
If only he'd had a recumbent!
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 10:26:23
From: lexitos
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 2, 5:13 am, "Steve Brunsman" <garv...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup. I've
> had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
> stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke a
> Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else and
> the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>
> I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to break....not
> pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite it
> too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm glad
> it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>
> Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
As mentioned before there are a lot of alternatives today.
However, Campy chains really are superior in lifetime and reliability.
I work in a bike shop and tried a lot of 10sp. chains apart from Campa
(Shimano, KMC, Wippermann)
Campy chains last about twice as long as all the others (about 6000k)
and do not break when you install them correctly.
They even do not break when you use a Wippermann link.
So, I would reconsider..
Alex
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 12:11:19
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 3, 2:27 am, oronk...@ling.helsinki.fi (A R:nen) wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> writes:
>
> > Any '10s' chain will work with any of the three 10s road groups today.
>
> Then what's the deal with Wippermann's 10S0 and 10S1 ("only for
> Shimano") chains?
Once upon a time, when Campag chains were 6.2..Wipperman was just
matching the Campag dimensions..now that Campag is 5.9, the 'Campag '
or 'shimano' specifics don't apply. Just like you could use a shimano
9s chain on Campag 9s systems and a Rohloff on shimano 8s systems,
etc...dimensions apply, not manufaturer.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 08:06:43
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> Is there any point to making the chain narrower, other than being "new
> and improved"?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
Hi, Tom -
YES! As noted by another poster, 6.2 was too wide. Hard to keep in
adjustment and noisy, especially at the extremes.
I recently switched from the Wipperman 6.2 to the Campy narrow, and,
with the exception of some issues with some POS Superlinks (replaced
with the Wipperman 6.05 Shimano link) it shifts like a dream and is
very quiet. And much fewer adjustment issues.
D'ohBoy
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:35:22
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 2, 4:19 am, Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au > wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:57:30 -0700, Hank Wirtz wrote:
> > With Campy switching to the 5.9mm "Ultra Narrow" chains without
> > changing anything else, that pretty much says that any 10-speed chain
> > will be Campy compatible.
>
> I thought it said that the existing Campy 10-speed chain turned out to
> be a bit too wide.
>
> --
> Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
Any '10s' chain will work with any of the three 10s road groups today.
Interesting that a gent that works for a cycling marketing company
here in the republic wanders around thru LBS and asks questions
like.." which chain will work with what" and an amazing number say
Campag will only work with Campag, shimano with shimano, etc...a chain
is a chain is a chain..dimensions matter, not place of manufacture.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 11:27:09
From: A R:nen
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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Qui si parla Campagnolo <peter@vecchios.com > writes:
> Any '10s' chain will work with any of the three 10s road groups today.
Then what's the deal with Wippermann's 10S0 and 10S1 ("only for
Shimano") chains?
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 17:03:50
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:35:22 -0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> Any '10s' chain will work with any of the three 10s road groups today.
But presumably not equally well, or why did Campy go through all
the trouble and confusion of bringing out a second, narrower type?
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 23:55:08
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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Michael Warner wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:35:22 -0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>> Any '10s' chain will work with any of the three 10s road groups today.
>
> But presumably not equally well, or why did Campy go through all
> the trouble and confusion of bringing out a second, narrower type?
The obvious guess would be that their own chain, supposedly meant for
the equipment, did not work well. If you trust them, now that they got
it "right", fine, but it would seem like a good idea to look for other
brands -- or to return to 9-speed, which does not have this problem.
--
David L. Johnson
"What am I on? I'm on my bike, six hours a day, busting my ass.
What are you on?"
--Lance Armstrong
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 17:22:34
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:55:08 -0400, David L. Johnson wrote:
> The obvious guess would be that their own chain, supposedly meant for
> the equipment, did not work well. If you trust them, now that they got
> it "right", fine, but it would seem like a good idea to look for other
> brands -- or to return to 9-speed, which does not have this problem.
I'm perfectly happy with 9-speed and want to stick with it as long as
possible. Replacing my right Ultegra shifter, should it die, looks like the
problem, though - I should start looking around for a couple of used
spares.
--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:32:33
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 1, 9:13 pm, "Steve Brunsman" <garv...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup. I've
> had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
> stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke a
> Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else and
> the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>
> I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to break....not
> pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite it
> too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm glad
> it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>
> Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
Just a side note. None of the Campagnolo chains we have installed
using either the Wipperman link or the Campagnolo pin have had
problems. If the installer is just pushing any pin back thru-it will
break.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 02:49:44
From: Steve Brunsman
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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Thanks for everyone's responses!...I assumed that the 5.9mm width was going
to be the ticket and apparently it is so.
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in message
news:1183379553.588145.54340@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 1, 9:13 pm, "Steve Brunsman" <garv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup.
>> I've
>> had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
>> stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke
>> a
>> Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else
>> and
>> the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>>
>> I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to
>> break....not
>> pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite
>> it
>> too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm
>> glad
>> it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>>
>> Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
>
> Just a side note. None of the Campagnolo chains we have installed
> using either the Wipperman link or the Campagnolo pin have had
> problems. If the installer is just pushing any pin back thru-it will
> break.
>
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:31:24
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 1, 9:13 pm, "Steve Brunsman" <garv...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup. I've
> had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
> stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke a
> Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else and
> the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>
> I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to break....not
> pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite it
> too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm glad
> it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>
> Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
Sure, their 10s chain...with a non reuseable link but ALL 10s chains
are 5.9mm now...use any of them. Campag, shimano, Sram, KMC,
Wipperman....
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 02:38:07
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 2, 1:57 am, Hank Wirtz wrote:
> On Jul 1, 8:13 pm, Steve Brunsman wrote:
>
> > Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup. I've
> > had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
> > stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke a
> > Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else and
> > the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>
> > I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to break....not
> > pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite it
> > too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm glad
> > it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>
> > Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
>
> According to Wipperman, old Campy 10s chains were 6.2mm. Shimano are
> 6.05mm
>
> With Campy switching to the 5.9mm "Ultra Narrow" chains without
> changing anything else, that pretty much says that any 10-speed chain
> will be Campy compatible.
Is there any point to making the chain narrower, other than being "new
and improved"?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 23:57:30
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 1, 8:13 pm, "Steve Brunsman" <garv...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup. I've
> had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
> stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke a
> Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else and
> the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>
> I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to break....not
> pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite it
> too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm glad
> it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>
> Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
According to Wipperman, old Campy 10s chains were 6.2mm. Shimano are
6.05mm
With Campy switching to the 5.9mm "Ultra Narrow" chains without
changing anything else, that pretty much says that any 10-speed chain
will be Campy compatible.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 19:49:37
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:57:30 -0700, Hank Wirtz wrote:
> With Campy switching to the 5.9mm "Ultra Narrow" chains without
> changing anything else, that pretty much says that any 10-speed chain
> will be Campy compatible.
I thought it said that the existing Campy 10-speed chain turned out to
be a bit too wide.
--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 23:55:21
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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Steve Brunsman wrote:
> Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup. I've
> had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
> stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke a
> Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else and
> the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>
> I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to break....not
> pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite it
> too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm glad
> it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>
> Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
Yes, as do KMC and others. Chain failure is not all that common on Ten
chain except when riveted by the user. Were you using the Wippermann
snap link? How did the chain fail?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 20:23:49
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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On Jul 1, 10:13 pm, Steve Brunsman wrote:
> Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup. I've
> had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
> stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke a
> Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else and
> the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>
> I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to break....not
> pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite it
> too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm glad
> it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>
> Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
Remind me again why "road" derailer systems went to 10-speed?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 03:45:23
From: Steve Brunsman
Subject: Re: Any good Campy compatible chains out there?
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Great response...Wiseass
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1183346629.988879.189050@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 1, 10:13 pm, Steve Brunsman wrote:
>> Well, I've broken another chain today - a Wipperman on my Campy setup.
>> I've
>> had two of these chains previously and besides the somewhat early chain
>> stretch, they worked quite well and have a nice quick link. When I broke
>> a
>> Campy Record chain on its 1st ride, I decided to go with something else
>> and
>> the Wipperman seemed to fit the bill.
>>
>> I was climbing a 12% pitch when this piece of shit decided to
>> break....not
>> pretty. I managed to stay upright and diving for the ditch, I didn't bite
>> it
>> too bad - only a hole in my shorts (dammit) and a small abrasion. I'm
>> glad
>> it didnt happen out of the saddle sprinting at 35 mph.
>>
>> Does SRAM make a Campy compatible 10sp chain?
>
> Remind me again why "road" derailer systems went to 10-speed?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
>
>
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