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Date: 17 Aug 2007 02:06:35
From: !Jones
Subject: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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The subject says it all.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 08:03:48
From: Scott Gordo
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 19, 6:48 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Aug 19, 3:11 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 10:06 pm, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:43:27 -0000, andrew.franklin.mar...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >> > I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
> > > >> > of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
> > > >> > conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
> > > >> > rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
> > > >> > appropriate.
>
> > > >> A more common, and probably more accurate, explanation is that Cyclart
> > > >> doesn't want you buying the decals from them and getting your frame
> > > >> painted elsewhere for less than Cyclart's "king's ransom" prices. This
> > > >> was especially effective in the past, before decals were more widely
> > > >> available.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > >I have a '72 Coppi frame with the original foil headtube sticker, but
> > > >CycleArt wanted me to ship it to them to
> > > >1. confirm it was real
> > > >2. "restore" the paint
> > > >3. apply the decals "correctly"
>
> > > >I think Ozark is probably right here.
>
> > > I agree. If they told you that "rights" story they are FOS. They're
> > > just trying to protect their market share and get you to go through
> > > them.
>
> > I dug up the email:
>
> > "We have extensive decal and art files and have the decals you seek.
> > However:
> > We're sorry that we cannot sell you the decals you request because the
> > trademark is owned by others, not us. When we purchase decals from the
> > manufacturer, or reproduce them for a restoration, we guarantee that
> > they are applied to the correct frame and that the frame is
> > roadworthy. To do so we must have the frame here to inspect. In this
> > way we can assure manufacturers that we are neither causing them
> > increased liability nor allowing their trade name to be misused or
> > resold without their control. It is not necessary that we completely
> > refinish your frame to supply decals. We can replace tattered decals
> > on frames with original finishes or as part of a touch up. We also
> > feel that tight control of our reproduction decals helps preserve the
> > integrity of the collector bicycle market. Note that although painting
> > is our primary business we are also strong proponents of maintaining
> > valuable bikes in original finish including "patina".
> > Sometimes you can obtain replacement decals from the manufacturers
> > directly.
> > Thanks for understanding, may we estimate a touch up or complete
> > refinish for you?"
>
> > I agree that their goal is to drum up paint business, but they are
> > definitely invoking intellectual property rights in their explanation.
>
> Yes, they have have a nice, long-winded "rationale", but it's just a
> smokescreen, IMO.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Maybe. I've got a 1975 Paramount frame. Definitely not period correct,
but I've always loved the older top-hat seat tube decal. I contacted
Waterford and got an email from Richard Schwinn himself. He wasn't
inclined to sell me the '40's/'50's logo for the '75 frame. At the
time I thought it was a bit snooty (especially as I wasn't trying to
pull the wool over anyone's eyes by implying that the frame was older,
especially considering the fact that I'm no 'purist' as the bike is
rather dinged up and its parts include Sugino, Shimano, Time, etc),
but over time it has made me respect the bikes more. Maybe it's
elitism, or maybe it's Richard's simple integrity to the brand and
product.
Not sure if CyclArt maintains the same integrity, but I'm pretty sure
that they'd get an earfull from some company owners if they threw some
stickers on what the originator considered the wrong bike. Or,
especially, if they started flooding ebay with them for $.99,
instantly transforming every 80's Huffy boat anchor into a Masi.
/s
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 19:13:24
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 19, 8:58 pm, !Jones <p...@off.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:45:20 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> >They would happily sell you the decals, they just came packaged with a
> >rather dear paint job!
>
> Why paint a deer?
They do it for the doe.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 17:00:53
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:13:24 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Aug 19, 8:58 pm, !Jones <p...@off.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:45:20 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech Ozark Bicycle
>>
>> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>> >They would happily sell you the decals, they just came packaged with a
>> >rather dear paint job!
>>
>> Why paint a deer?
>
>They do it for the doe.
... big bucks...
SOMEBODY STOP ME, PLEASE!!!
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 17:45:20
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 19, 6:14 pm, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:33:58 -0500, !Jones <p...@off.com> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, such an arrangement certainly could exist. OTOH, if the unit is
> >currently in production, then the manufacturer stocks the decals.
>
> >A good repop decal set costs about 40 bucks or so. I suppose that I
> >could drop them onto some other machine, but why? Of course, I did
> >once see a '70s era Santana tandem sporting Paramount decals at a
> >tandem rally; few were fooled and, if they were, then what difference
> >did it make? If the beholder can't tell one frame from another, then
> >how does that impact Schwinn's reputation?
>
> >Jones
>
> Raleigh never had any such restrictions. But, Cycloartist refused to
> sell me decals for an 80's era Raleigh.
They would happily sell you the decals, they just came packaged with a
rather dear paint job!
>
> *note - Raleigh did require that you turn in your old 531 decal to
> prove you were entitled to a new one - I always assumed that was an
> agreement they had with Reynolds.
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 20:58:26
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:45:20 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>They would happily sell you the decals, they just came packaged with a
>rather dear paint job!
Why paint a deer?
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 03:48:18
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 19, 3:11 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On Aug 18, 10:06 pm, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:43:27 -0000, andrew.franklin.mar...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > >> > I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
> > >> > of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
> > >> > conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
> > >> > rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
> > >> > appropriate.
>
> > >> A more common, and probably more accurate, explanation is that Cyclart
> > >> doesn't want you buying the decals from them and getting your frame
> > >> painted elsewhere for less than Cyclart's "king's ransom" prices. This
> > >> was especially effective in the past, before decals were more widely
> > >> available.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >I have a '72 Coppi frame with the original foil headtube sticker, but
> > >CycleArt wanted me to ship it to them to
> > >1. confirm it was real
> > >2. "restore" the paint
> > >3. apply the decals "correctly"
>
> > >I think Ozark is probably right here.
>
> > I agree. If they told you that "rights" story they are FOS. They're
> > just trying to protect their market share and get you to go through
> > them.
>
> I dug up the email:
>
> "We have extensive decal and art files and have the decals you seek.
> However:
> We're sorry that we cannot sell you the decals you request because the
> trademark is owned by others, not us. When we purchase decals from the
> manufacturer, or reproduce them for a restoration, we guarantee that
> they are applied to the correct frame and that the frame is
> roadworthy. To do so we must have the frame here to inspect. In this
> way we can assure manufacturers that we are neither causing them
> increased liability nor allowing their trade name to be misused or
> resold without their control. It is not necessary that we completely
> refinish your frame to supply decals. We can replace tattered decals
> on frames with original finishes or as part of a touch up. We also
> feel that tight control of our reproduction decals helps preserve the
> integrity of the collector bicycle market. Note that although painting
> is our primary business we are also strong proponents of maintaining
> valuable bikes in original finish including "patina".
> Sometimes you can obtain replacement decals from the manufacturers
> directly.
> Thanks for understanding, may we estimate a touch up or complete
> refinish for you?"
>
> I agree that their goal is to drum up paint business, but they are
> definitely invoking intellectual property rights in their explanation.
Yes, they have have a nice, long-winded "rationale", but it's just a
smokescreen, IMO.
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 01:11:00
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 18, 10:06 pm, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:43:27 -0000, andrew.franklin.mar...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> > I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
> >> > of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
> >> > conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
> >> > rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
> >> > appropriate.
>
> >> A more common, and probably more accurate, explanation is that Cyclart
> >> doesn't want you buying the decals from them and getting your frame
> >> painted elsewhere for less than Cyclart's "king's ransom" prices. This
> >> was especially effective in the past, before decals were more widely
> >> available.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >I have a '72 Coppi frame with the original foil headtube sticker, but
> >CycleArt wanted me to ship it to them to
> >1. confirm it was real
> >2. "restore" the paint
> >3. apply the decals "correctly"
>
> >I think Ozark is probably right here.
>
> I agree. If they told you that "rights" story they are FOS. They're
> just trying to protect their market share and get you to go through
> them.
I dug up the email:
"We have extensive decal and art files and have the decals you seek.
However:
We're sorry that we cannot sell you the decals you request because the
trademark is owned by others, not us. When we purchase decals from the
manufacturer, or reproduce them for a restoration, we guarantee that
they are applied to the correct frame and that the frame is
roadworthy. To do so we must have the frame here to inspect. In this
way we can assure manufacturers that we are neither causing them
increased liability nor allowing their trade name to be misused or
resold without their control. It is not necessary that we completely
refinish your frame to supply decals. We can replace tattered decals
on frames with original finishes or as part of a touch up. We also
feel that tight control of our reproduction decals helps preserve the
integrity of the collector bicycle market. Note that although painting
is our primary business we are also strong proponents of maintaining
valuable bikes in original finish including "patina".
Sometimes you can obtain replacement decals from the manufacturers
directly.
Thanks for understanding, may we estimate a touch up or complete
refinish for you?"
I agree that their goal is to drum up paint business, but they are
definitely invoking intellectual property rights in their explanation.
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Date: 18 Aug 2007 16:43:27
From:
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 17, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Aug 17, 6:12 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 12:24 pm, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies) wrote:
>
> > > - Greg Softley in Australia - DECALS ONLY
>
> > > ebay moniker : cyclomondo
>
> > > http://stores.ebay.com/Cyclomondo_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQ...
>
> > > Greg has a large selection of Reynolds 531 and Columbus decals, and
> > > has recently started offering full decal sets for often-restored
> > > bikes, such as Colnago Supers, Raleigh Team, Olmo, Merckx,
> > > Pogliaghi, and Cinelli.
>
> > > Greg is unique in offering turnkey matched decalsets, and that is
> > > the main advantage of his business.
>
> > I've bought several tubing repro decals from Greg, and both the decal
> > quality and service are top-notch. Even having them mailed from
> > Australia only takes a few (2 or 3) days to arrive in the US. When I
> > had my PX-10 repainted, I used NOS 531 decals. In retrospect I wish I
> > would have used Greg's repros because the NOS ones have already
> > started to crack. I may just get a set of repros and apply them over
> > the top.
>
> > > - cyclartwww.cyclart.com-DECALSAND TRANSFERS
>
> > > has a very good selection of decals, many vintage, many done
> > > in-house. Also offers sssink.com decals. Art that is done in-house
> > > is only available to customers who are restoring bikes at the
> > > Cyclart shop. I have heard it said that Cyclart always makes a
> > > small mistake in each decal, thinking they are avoiding copyright
> > > infringement.
>
> > I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
> > of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
> > conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
> > rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
> > appropriate.
>
> A more common, and probably more accurate, explanation is that Cyclart
> doesn't want you buying the decals from them and getting your frame
> painted elsewhere for less than Cyclart's "king's ransom" prices. This
> was especially effective in the past, before decals were more widely
> available.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have a '72 Coppi frame with the original foil headtube sticker, but
CycleArt wanted me to ship it to them to
1. confirm it was real
2. "restore" the paint
3. apply the decals "correctly"
I think Ozark is probably right here.
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 05:06:35
From: still me
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:43:27 -0000, andrew.franklin.martin@gmail.com
wrote:
>> > I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
>> > of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
>> > conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
>> > rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
>> > appropriate.
>>
>> A more common, and probably more accurate, explanation is that Cyclart
>> doesn't want you buying the decals from them and getting your frame
>> painted elsewhere for less than Cyclart's "king's ransom" prices. This
>> was especially effective in the past, before decals were more widely
>> available.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I have a '72 Coppi frame with the original foil headtube sticker, but
>CycleArt wanted me to ship it to them to
>1. confirm it was real
>2. "restore" the paint
>3. apply the decals "correctly"
>
>I think Ozark is probably right here.
I agree. If they told you that "rights" story they are FOS. They're
just trying to protect their market share and get you to go through
them.
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Date: 17 Aug 2007 22:17:46
From: John Thompson
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On 2007-08-17, !Jones <piss@off.com > wrote:
> The subject says it all.
http://stores.ebay.com/Cyclomondo_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm
--
John (john@os2.dhs.org)
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Date: 17 Aug 2007 18:43:28
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 17, 6:12 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On Aug 17, 12:24 pm, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies) wrote:
>
> > - Greg Softley in Australia - DECALS ONLY
>
> > ebay moniker : cyclomondo
>
> > http://stores.ebay.com/Cyclomondo_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQ...
>
> > Greg has a large selection of Reynolds 531 and Columbus decals, and
> > has recently started offering full decal sets for often-restored
> > bikes, such as Colnago Supers, Raleigh Team, Olmo, Merckx,
> > Pogliaghi, and Cinelli.
>
> > Greg is unique in offering turnkey matched decalsets, and that is
> > the main advantage of his business.
>
> I've bought several tubing repro decals from Greg, and both the decal
> quality and service are top-notch. Even having them mailed from
> Australia only takes a few (2 or 3) days to arrive in the US. When I
> had my PX-10 repainted, I used NOS 531 decals. In retrospect I wish I
> would have used Greg's repros because the NOS ones have already
> started to crack. I may just get a set of repros and apply them over
> the top.
>
>
>
> > - cyclartwww.cyclart.com-DECALS AND TRANSFERS
>
> > has a very good selection of decals, many vintage, many done
> > in-house. Also offers sssink.com decals. Art that is done in-house
> > is only available to customers who are restoring bikes at the
> > Cyclart shop. I have heard it said that Cyclart always makes a
> > small mistake in each decal, thinking they are avoiding copyright
> > infringement.
>
> I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
> of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
> conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
> rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
> appropriate.
A more common, and probably more accurate, explanation is that Cyclart
doesn't want you buying the decals from them and getting your frame
painted elsewhere for less than Cyclart's "king's ransom" prices. This
was especially effective in the past, before decals were more widely
available.
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Date: 17 Aug 2007 16:12:16
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 17, 12:24 pm, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies) wrote:
> - Greg Softley in Australia - DECALS ONLY
>
> ebay moniker : cyclomondo
>
> http://stores.ebay.com/Cyclomondo_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQ...
>
> Greg has a large selection of Reynolds 531 and Columbus decals, and
> has recently started offering full decal sets for often-restored
> bikes, such as Colnago Supers, Raleigh Team, Olmo, Merckx,
> Pogliaghi, and Cinelli.
>
> Greg is unique in offering turnkey matched decalsets, and that is
> the main advantage of his business.
>
I've bought several tubing repro decals from Greg, and both the decal
quality and service are top-notch. Even having them mailed from
Australia only takes a few (2 or 3) days to arrive in the US. When I
had my PX-10 repainted, I used NOS 531 decals. In retrospect I wish I
would have used Greg's repros because the NOS ones have already
started to crack. I may just get a set of repros and apply them over
the top.
>
> - cyclartwww.cyclart.com- DECALS AND TRANSFERS
>
> has a very good selection of decals, many vintage, many done
> in-house. Also offers sssink.com decals. Art that is done in-house
> is only available to customers who are restoring bikes at the
> Cyclart shop. I have heard it said that Cyclart always makes a
> small mistake in each decal, thinking they are avoiding copyright
> infringement.
>
I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
appropriate.
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 22:15:24
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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Hank Wirtz <hank@wirtznet.net > writes:
>> - cyclartwww.cyclart.com- DECALS AND TRANSFERS
>>
>> has a very good selection of decals, many vintage, many done
>> in-house. Also offers sssink.com decals. Art that is done in-house
>> is only available to customers who are restoring bikes at the
>> Cyclart shop. I have heard it said that Cyclart always makes a
>> small mistake in each decal, thinking they are avoiding copyright
>> infringement.
>>
>I don't believe that last bit's true.
My knowledge comes from looking into the drawers of decals at the
Cyclart shop in Fallbrook, CA. My information is firsthand, but
perhaps you have zerohand information ?? :-) :-)
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 12:23:14
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:12:16 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech Hank Wirtz
<hank@wirtznet.net > wrote:
>I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
>of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
>conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
>rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
>appropriate.
That could be so; however, consider Harley Davidson: few guard their
trademark as jealously. OTOH, you can buy HD decal sets. Once you
buy the decal (and render unto Ceasar), you may apply the original to
anything you wish as long as you don't copy it.
Why would anyone pay for a decal set and apply it to a different
bicycle? (OK, I used to drive a Dodge that had a "FORD" decal in the
back window, but I was just being an oddball.) Why would a copyright
holder care? Obviously, the product isn't in production; if it were,
there'd be no market for repop decals.
It could also be that the original copyright has expired and that the
graphic shop wants to protect their investment. That, or they want to
sell spray jobs.
Jones
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 13:31:01
From:
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:23:14 GMT, !Jones <piss@off.com > wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:12:16 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech Hank Wirtz
><hank@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
>>I don't believe that last bit's true. I wrote them about retail sales
>>of repro decals, and they replied that they only will sell them in
>>conjunction with a respray, because they have agreements with
>>rightsholders to only apply the decals to the genuine frame as
>>appropriate.
>
>That could be so; however, consider Harley Davidson: few guard their
>trademark as jealously. OTOH, you can buy HD decal sets. Once you
>buy the decal (and render unto Ceasar), you may apply the original to
>anything you wish as long as you don't copy it.
>
>Why would anyone pay for a decal set and apply it to a different
>bicycle? (OK, I used to drive a Dodge that had a "FORD" decal in the
>back window, but I was just being an oddball.) Why would a copyright
>holder care? Obviously, the product isn't in production; if it were,
>there'd be no market for repop decals.
>
>It could also be that the original copyright has expired and that the
>graphic shop wants to protect their investment. That, or they want to
>sell spray jobs.
>
>Jones
IF they have an agreement with an existing bicycle manufacturer to
provide replacement decals for that company's bikes, and that company
does not want "clones" of their bikes running around giving them a bad
name, they have every right, and good reason, to control where these
decals are ultimately applied.
In most cases supplying a valid serial number would be sufficient, but
that only guarantees you have seen a genuine bike and got it's serial
number, - it does not guarantee the decal is only applied to that
genuine frame. It also does not guarantee the frame getting the decal
is in roadworthy condition.
I can definitely see their position. I can also see how shipping a
bike frame across the country to get a decal replaced would be a royal
PITA.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 13:33:58
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:31:01 -0400, in rec.bicycles.tech clare at
snyder.on.ca wrote:
> IF they have an agreement with an existing bicycle manufacturer to
>provide replacement decals for that company's bikes, and that company
>does not want "clones" of their bikes running around giving them a bad
>name, they have every right, and good reason, to control where these
>decals are ultimately applied.
Yeah, such an arrangement certainly could exist. OTOH, if the unit is
currently in production, then the manufacturer stocks the decals.
A good repop decal set costs about 40 bucks or so. I suppose that I
could drop them onto some other machine, but why? Of course, I did
once see a '70s era Santana tandem sporting Paramount decals at a
tandem rally; few were fooled and, if they were, then what difference
did it make? If the beholder can't tell one frame from another, then
how does that impact Schwinn's reputation?
Jones
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 23:14:26
From: still me
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:33:58 -0500, !Jones <piss@off.com > wrote:
>
>Yeah, such an arrangement certainly could exist. OTOH, if the unit is
>currently in production, then the manufacturer stocks the decals.
>
>A good repop decal set costs about 40 bucks or so. I suppose that I
>could drop them onto some other machine, but why? Of course, I did
>once see a '70s era Santana tandem sporting Paramount decals at a
>tandem rally; few were fooled and, if they were, then what difference
>did it make? If the beholder can't tell one frame from another, then
>how does that impact Schwinn's reputation?
>
>Jones
Raleigh never had any such restrictions. But, Cycloartist refused to
sell me decals for an 80's era Raleigh.
*note - Raleigh did require that you turn in your old 531 decal to
prove you were entitled to a new one - I always assumed that was an
agreement they had with Reynolds.
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Date: 17 Aug 2007 12:24:20
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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Here are some sources decals. I would like to highly recommend both
Michael Swantak and Nick at Lloyds probably as having perhaps the most
accurate decals available, as they have the highest standards and use
computer production for most of their products. The decals from
sssink.com are generally very good, but difficult to procure.
==================== RETAIL DECALS ==========================
- Michael Swantak in Northern California - DECALS
http://www.velographicdecals.com/
mike is a graphic artist who got interested in restoring some
Raleighs about 2 years ago. He has the BEST art for vintage 1970's
raleighs of any source. He is the ONLY guy who will sent you jpeg
proofs of decals before he gets them printed. I have helped him to
improve some of his Raleigh decals (which were already excellent
unless placed side-by-side with an original bike.)
- Greg Softley in Australia - DECALS ONLY
ebay moniker : cyclomondo
http://stores.ebay.com/Cyclomondo_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm
Greg has a large selection of Reynolds 531 and Columbus decals, and
has recently started offering full decal sets for often-restored
bikes, such as Colnago Supers, Raleigh Team, Olmo, Merckx,
Pogliaghi, and Cinelli.
Greg is unique in offering turnkey matched decalsets, and that is
the main advantage of his business.
- nick at lloyds in the U.K.- DECALS AND TRANSFERS
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/NICK_AT_LLOYDS/
ebay moniker : decals2000
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdecals2000QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
Nick supports all english bike makes, and has the largest
collection, including many NOS decals. Very little support for
American Raleighs (which were called "Carltons" in the U.K.) The
main disadvantage is that his catalogue is text-only, and he is very
slow to respond to emails.
===================== WHOLESALE DECALS =======================
- cyclart www.cyclart.com - DECALS AND TRANSFERS
has a very good selection of decals, many vintage, many done
in-house. Also offers sssink.com decals. Art that is done in-house
is only available to customers who are restoring bikes at the
Cyclart shop. I have heard it said that Cyclart always makes a
small mistake in each decal, thinking they are avoiding copyright
infringement.
- Screen Specialties Incorporated - sssink.com - DECALS
has the largest library available for reproduction decals, and is
one of the oldest suppliers of reproduction decals to certified
bicycle painters and refinishers. Good for MASI and Colnago decals,
Raleigh Pro (only). Not good for Carlton (U.K.) bikes, imho.
it's almost impossible to deal with this shop on a retail basis as
they screen customers carefully, as they seem obsessed with worries
about copyright infringement lawsuits from manufacturers.
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
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Date: 17 Aug 2007 04:01:22
From: still me
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:06:35 GMT, !Jones <piss@off.com > wrote:
>The subject says it all.
Naw, it doesn't. What manufacturer?
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Date: 17 Aug 2007 12:00:18
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:01:22 GMT, in rec.bicycles.tech still me
<wheeledBob@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:06:35 GMT, !Jones <piss@off.com> wrote:
>
>>The subject says it all.
>
>Naw, it doesn't. What manufacturer?
Oh, I doubt you've ever heard of it. Just a good, generic shop can
probably help me. Someone else mentioned: velographicdecals.com; they
should be able to handle it... thanks.
Jones
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Date: 16 Aug 2007 20:34:22
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Aug 16, 9:06 pm, !Jones <p...@off.com > wrote:
> The subject says it all.
http://www.velographicdecals.com
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Date: 17 Aug 2007 11:54:07
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:34:22 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Aug 16, 9:06 pm, !Jones <p...@off.com> wrote:
>> The subject says it all.
>
>http://www.velographicdecals.com
Hey, thanks! That's what I was seeking.
Jones, who seeks only knowledge and wisdom.
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Date: 16 Aug 2007 19:16:14
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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Sure, here ya go:
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mpe0048l.jpg
HTH!
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Date: 17 Aug 2007 13:31:28
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Sure, here ya go:
> http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mpe0048l.jpg
> HTH!
Family newsgroup, buddy.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 18 Aug 2007 21:42:35
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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In article <13cbqb4se5fq65@corp.supernews.com >,
A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
> > Sure, here ya go:
> > http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mpe0048l.jpg
> > HTH!
>
> Family newsgroup, buddy.
Sure. Putting someone in the family way.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 16 Aug 2007 21:34:08
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Anybody have a good source for reproduction decals?
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:16:14 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech "Bill
Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote:
>Sure, here ya go:
>
>http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mpe0048l.jpg
>
>HTH!
>
Kewel!!
I shoulda asked fer money!!!
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