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Date: 16 Jun 2007 15:03:03
From: Bruce W.1
Subject: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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What is the best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
On a recent tour my ESGE/Pletscher kickstand broke. One leg just
snapped off. Guess the aluminum was too soft. That and its mount was
forever loosening. I'm sure it's a good kickstand for most bikes but
apparently it can't handle a 100-pound fully-loaded touring bike.
I'd like to try a Japanese-style kickstand. You know the kind that
attaches to both of the rear wheel mounts and loops behind the rear tire
when in the "up" position, but I can't find one. Does anyone know a
dealer in the USA where these are sold?
Or does anyone have any other recommendations?
Thanks for your help.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 22:18:54
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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with tandem experience, would a chainstay wide plus U flip down stand
elevating the rear wheel off the ground as possibly found on a low
displacement motorcycle give better stability than the ESGE?
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 23:59:04
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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ugh! zeee bike stand she eeesss noah good furah two ring: nada. u
veeeel bee ah soreee!
hoe hoe evair!
zeee moe tore cycle grave yard! Wallah! in zeee smell disss place ment
cata gorreeee say 2 liter?
uha may find zeee u shaped stand recoverablee? no ?
moehnt aluminum plate on zeee cycle, moehnt salvaged 90cc stand on
zeee plate: plate matchaze bolt holes no problema! eg 454ci-360cc
subaruh
then lean zeee suckeair against a tree. no?
zee problem is zat she pivot and fall. you see this no? ugh
zeee motor cycle she no pivot she fall straight ovair on zeee hot tar.
hehehehe.maybe break the crazy assholes leg, no?
zeee mount spot she maybe aft of zeee normal position, no?
ah no u gotta ur own rig but to stablies uneedah fork lock, no?
recentleee, my pipe she ah pivot straight into glass door during
squall! $20" foot! sacre blue!
where u leave? mojave?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 15:29:30
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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On Jun 16, 5:22 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:54:28 -0700, landotter <landot...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jun 16, 10:03 am, "Bruce W.1" <s...@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
> >> What is the best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
>
> >> On a recent tour my ESGE/Pletscher kickstand broke. One leg just
> >> snapped off. Guess the aluminum was too soft. That and its mount was
> >> forever loosening. I'm sure it's a good kickstand for most bikes but
> >> apparently it can't handle a 100-pound fully-loaded touring bike.
>
> >> I'd like to try a Japanese-style kickstand. You know the kind that
> >> attaches to both of the rear wheel mounts and loops behind the rear tire
> >> when in the "up" position, but I can't find one. Does anyone know a
> >> dealer in the USA where these are sold?
>
> >> Or does anyone have any other recommendations?
>
> >> Thanks for your help.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2mpwna
>
> >If you can fit such a stand--it's your best bet, as you're better off
> >not leaning the bike with a load on it. There are a couple variations
> >on this if you search Amazon.
>
> My personal take is that if the bike does go over off a stand, there
> is a bigger chance of things breaking. I like the lean on something
> method. ymmv, of course.
The chances that a bike on a center stand will fall is pretty small
compared to a bike leaned up against something. I've had a couple
bikes with them. You might as well suggest I lean my motorcycle
against a tree in lieu of using its stand as well. ;-)
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 20:38:40
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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On Jun 16, 3:21 pm, "Bruce W.1" <s...@noDirectEmail.com > wrote:
> landotter wrote:
> >http://tinyurl.com/2mpwna
>
> > If you can fit such a stand--it's your best bet, as you're better off
> > not leaning the bike with a load on it. There are a couple variations
> > on this if you search Amazon.
>
> ==========================================================
>
> That might work. The design is similar to the Pletscher kickstand but I
> hope the alloy is stronger. Can you compare it to the ESGE/Pletscher
> kickstand?
I have only used a Swedish variation of that model, not that exact
brand. Seemed to be very tough. You can get an even tougher model in
steel if you are really paranoid.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 19:15:13
From: damyth
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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Bruce W.1 wrote:
> What is the best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
>
> On a recent tour my ESGE/Pletscher kickstand broke. One leg just
> snapped off. Guess the aluminum was too soft. That and its mount was
> forever loosening. I'm sure it's a good kickstand for most bikes but
> apparently it can't handle a 100-pound fully-loaded touring bike.
>
> I'd like to try a Japanese-style kickstand. You know the kind that
> attaches to both of the rear wheel mounts and loops behind the rear tire
> when in the "up" position, but I can't find one. Does anyone know a
> dealer in the USA where these are sold?
>
> Or does anyone have any other recommendations?
>
> Thanks for your help.
The best kickstands come from Hebie (model 605 or 690). Unfortunately
these are no longer available in the US because the importer/
manufacturer no longer finds that it makes business sense to pay for
exorbitant liability insurance premiums to justify the low volumes
that they might sell in the US.
At least that was the line I was given.
http://www.hebie.de/html/en/detail_staender.php?id=0605_NL_E1
http://www.hebie.de/pdf/info_stands_04.pdf
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 13:47:14
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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Bruce W.1 wrote:
> ....
> I'd like to try a Japanese-style kickstand. You know the kind that
> attaches to both of the rear wheel mounts and loops behind the rear tire
> when in the "up" position, but I can't find one. Does anyone know a
> dealer in the USA where these are sold?
> ......
These are not "Japanese" strictly speaking, because some of the Pashley
bikes come with them.
I have seen -some- website that offered Euro city bikes to US customers,
the kickstands were available separately but the page said they'd only
fit the intended bikes (which were all single-speed or geared hubs, not
derailleurs).
~
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 13:58:09
From: Rootworker
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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these look like they might work:
http://www.bikemannetwork.com/biking/p/KI5000
Joe
http://www.rootwerx.com
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 10:54:28
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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On Jun 16, 10:03 am, "Bruce W.1" <s...@noDirectEmail.com > wrote:
> What is the best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
>
> On a recent tour my ESGE/Pletscher kickstand broke. One leg just
> snapped off. Guess the aluminum was too soft. That and its mount was
> forever loosening. I'm sure it's a good kickstand for most bikes but
> apparently it can't handle a 100-pound fully-loaded touring bike.
>
> I'd like to try a Japanese-style kickstand. You know the kind that
> attaches to both of the rear wheel mounts and loops behind the rear tire
> when in the "up" position, but I can't find one. Does anyone know a
> dealer in the USA where these are sold?
>
> Or does anyone have any other recommendations?
>
> Thanks for your help.
http://tinyurl.com/2mpwna
If you can fit such a stand--it's your best bet, as you're better off
not leaning the bike with a load on it. There are a couple variations
on this if you search Amazon.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 04:28:57
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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landotter wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2mpwna
>
> If you can fit such a stand--it's your best bet, as you're better off
> not leaning the bike with a load on it. There are a couple variations
> on this if you search Amazon.
>
The problem these dual-kickstands would seem to have though is that a
great load on them will spread the legs, as there's nothing keeping them
together at the bottom.
~
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 08:51:36
From:
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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In article <Eesdi.61$DS6.17@newsfe02.lga >, dcimper@norcom2000.com
says...
> landotter wrote:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2mpwna
> >
> > If you can fit such a stand--it's your best bet, as you're better off
> > not leaning the bike with a load on it. There are a couple variations
> > on this if you search Amazon.
> >
>
> The problem these dual-kickstands would seem to have though is that a
> great load on them will spread the legs, as there's nothing keeping them
> together at the bottom.
At least for bicycles, I would consider that a theoretical problem. It
hasn't happened with the twin-leg ESGE stand on our full-loaded touring
tandem.
The legs are reasonably stout, the joint is much larger than the legs,
and the angle between them isn't so great that they have a very strong
spreading force.
--
josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/ >
Updated Bicycle Touring Books List:
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/tourbooks.html >
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 22:22:57
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:54:28 -0700, landotter <landotter@gmail.com >
wrote:
>On Jun 16, 10:03 am, "Bruce W.1" <s...@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
>> What is the best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
>>
>> On a recent tour my ESGE/Pletscher kickstand broke. One leg just
>> snapped off. Guess the aluminum was too soft. That and its mount was
>> forever loosening. I'm sure it's a good kickstand for most bikes but
>> apparently it can't handle a 100-pound fully-loaded touring bike.
>>
>> I'd like to try a Japanese-style kickstand. You know the kind that
>> attaches to both of the rear wheel mounts and loops behind the rear tire
>> when in the "up" position, but I can't find one. Does anyone know a
>> dealer in the USA where these are sold?
>>
>> Or does anyone have any other recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2mpwna
>
>If you can fit such a stand--it's your best bet, as you're better off
>not leaning the bike with a load on it. There are a couple variations
>on this if you search Amazon.
My personal take is that if the bike does go over off a stand, there
is a bigger chance of things breaking. I like the lean on something
method. ymmv, of course.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 20:21:02
From: Bruce W.1
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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landotter wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/2mpwna
>
> If you can fit such a stand--it's your best bet, as you're better off
> not leaning the bike with a load on it. There are a couple variations
> on this if you search Amazon.
>
==========================================================
That might work. The design is similar to the Pletscher kickstand but I
hope the alloy is stronger. Can you compare it to the ESGE/Pletscher
kickstand?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 17:49:12
From: Ted Bennett
Subject: Re: Best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
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"Bruce W.1" <sorry@noDirectEmail.com > wrote:
> What is the best kickstand for a touring bicycle?
>
> On a recent tour my ESGE/Pletscher kickstand broke. One leg just
> snapped off. Guess the aluminum was too soft. That and its mount was
> forever loosening. I'm sure it's a good kickstand for most bikes but
> apparently it can't handle a 100-pound fully-loaded touring bike.
>
> I'd like to try a Japanese-style kickstand. You know the kind that
> attaches to both of the rear wheel mounts and loops behind the rear tire
> when in the "up" position, but I can't find one. Does anyone know a
> dealer in the USA where these are sold?
>
> Or does anyone have any other recommendations?
>
> Thanks for your help.
My first recommendation is to forego the stand. Leaning the bike
against a wall, pole, tree etc. is more reliable. Simply laying the
bike down on the ground harms nothing and is even more reliable.
But if you really want a stand, get a Greenfield.
--
Ted Bennett
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