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Date: 28 Jul 2007 15:56:01
From: CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com
Subject: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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Bruce Ingle, a very clever and resourceful friend of mine has come up with the coolest drivetrain hack: http://sheldonbrown.com/bichain Sheldon "Epicyclic" Brown +------------------------------------------+
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 09:54:42
From: Sheldon Brown
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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I wrote: > > Bruce Ingle, a very clever and resourceful friend of mine has come up > > with the coolest drivetrain hack: > > > > http://sheldonbrown.com/bichain Chalo wrote: > That is incredibly cool. Does using such a low primary gear on an AW > hub make the thing more likely to self-destruct? The very low gear does not use the AW's internal gear train, so that's not an issue. Sheldon "Direct Drive" Brown +--------------------------------------------+
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 05:31:33
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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Michael Press wrote: > > Chalo wrote: > > > > Ryan Cousineau wrote: > > > > > > Chalo probably varies by 20 pounds based on how much water he drinks > > > that day, > > > I've lost more than 50 pounds over the last year, and I can hardly > > discern a difference. > > Appearance? Any change in your physical disposition? I look the same to me. If I could look at myself in the mirror 50 pounds heavier, I suppose I might think, "boy, look at the size of the dewlap on that hippo-man!" but basically I see the same thing as I remember from before. I'm wearing pants that I had outgrown by a little bit, but not those that I'd left in the dust of history. During that time, I've moved from steep, glacier-carved Seattle to gently sloped river valley Austin. Who could have predicted that I would find riding my bike to be easier and faster here? I would not be that surprised to discover that riding minus 50 pounds is easier in Seattle too, but then I might not. I haven't laid waste to many bike parts over the last year. One cruiser saddle and one chromoly seatpost, both unproven. Not bad, considering my record for such things. Chalo
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 23:06:06
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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Chalo Colina wrote: > Michael Press wrote: >> Chalo wrote: >>> Ryan Cousineau wrote: >>>> Chalo probably varies by 20 pounds based on how much water he drinks >>>> that day, >>> I've lost more than 50 pounds over the last year, and I can hardly >>> discern a difference. >> Appearance? Any change in your physical disposition? > > I look the same to me. If I could look at myself in the mirror 50 > pounds heavier, I suppose I might think, "boy, look at the size of the > dewlap on that hippo-man!" but basically I see the same thing as I > remember from before. I'm wearing pants that I had outgrown by a > little bit, but not those that I'd left in the dust of history. > > During that time, I've moved from steep, glacier-carved Seattle to > gently sloped river valley Austin. Who could have predicted that I > would find riding my bike to be easier and faster here? I would not > be that surprised to discover that riding minus 50 pounds is easier in > Seattle too, but then I might not. > > I haven't laid waste to many bike parts over the last year. One > cruiser saddle and one chromoly seatpost, both unproven. Not bad, > considering my record for such things. Is the lower failure rate due to stronger parts or less stress on the bikes from not having to stand and climb on steep hills? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 11:58:11
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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In article <1185946293.046522.264710@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com > , Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote: > Michael Press wrote: > > > > Chalo wrote: > > > > > > Ryan Cousineau wrote: > > > > > > > > Chalo probably varies by 20 pounds based on how much water he drinks > > > > that day, > > > > > I've lost more than 50 pounds over the last year, and I can hardly > > > discern a difference. > > > > Appearance? Any change in your physical disposition? > > I look the same to me. If I could look at myself in the mirror 50 > pounds heavier, I suppose I might think, "boy, look at the size of the > dewlap on that hippo-man!" but basically I see the same thing as I > remember from before. I'm wearing pants that I had outgrown by a > little bit, but not those that I'd left in the dust of history. > > During that time, I've moved from steep, glacier-carved Seattle to > gently sloped river valley Austin. Who could have predicted that I > would find riding my bike to be easier and faster here? I would not > be that surprised to discover that riding minus 50 pounds is easier in > Seattle too, but then I might not. > > I haven't laid waste to many bike parts over the last year. One > cruiser saddle and one chromoly seatpost, both unproven. Not bad, > considering my record for such things. Then congratulations are in order. Good on you. -- Michael Press
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 22:30:00
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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On Jul 29, 10:39 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote: > > http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1893_1940/1893_Baby_Bliss_Ignaz.jpg > > A few days ago, a different picture of Leonard "Baby" Bliss caught my > eye, but I lost the link and could only remember that he was a > celebrated bicyclist who weighed 500 pounds and was nicknamed baby, > which got me nowhere with Google. Pure Bliss, Baby. Chalo
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 22:27:33
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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Ryan Cousineau wrote: > > Back to the question at hand, I think you're right: I've underestimated > the issue of an obviously fat man who is also quite tall. At 5'6", I > struggle with the 20 pounds that separate me from my former > nearly-emaciated bike-racer physique, versus my present, obviously > out-of-shape shape. > > Chalo probably varies by 20 pounds based on how much water he drinks > that day, I've lost more than 50 pounds over the last year, and I can hardly discern a difference. Chalo
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 15:16:19
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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In article <1185834453.830633.16550@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com >, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote: > Ryan Cousineau wrote: > > > > Back to the question at hand, I think you're right: I've underestimated > > the issue of an obviously fat man who is also quite tall. At 5'6", I > > struggle with the 20 pounds that separate me from my former > > nearly-emaciated bike-racer physique, versus my present, obviously > > out-of-shape shape. > > > > Chalo probably varies by 20 pounds based on how much water he drinks > > that day, > > I've lost more than 50 pounds over the last year, and I can hardly > discern a difference. Appearance? Any change in your physical disposition? -- Michael Press
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 00:30:53
From: limeylew@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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On Jul 29, 12:39 am, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:36:37 -0000, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >Sheldon Brown wrote: > > >> Bruce Ingle, a very clever and resourceful friend of mine has come up > >> with the coolest drivetrain hack: > > >>http://sheldonbrown.com/bichain > > >That is incredibly cool. Does using such a low primary gear on an AW > >hub make the thing more likely to self-destruct? > > >Tell your friend Bruce that Liquid Paper is the best anti-flux for > >brazing that I have tried. > > >Chalo > > Dear Chalo, > > Okay, now you have to tell us how you came to try Liquid Paper and > whether you've tried anything weirder. > > Cheers, > > Carl Fogel Hi, Carl, this may not be weirder but it does sound weird to me:- "A useful *anti-flux* is ordinary toothpaste. Smells a bit, and the smoke from burnt peppermint may not be healthy.......but it works. A good lump of toothpaste can also be used, when no other method is available, to keep a small component cool while soldering is being done nearby." Kind regards. Lewis. *****
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Date: 29 Jul 2007 07:04:05
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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Carl Fogel wrote: > > Chalo wrote: > > >Tell your friend Bruce that Liquid Paper is the best anti-flux for > >brazing that I have tried. > > Dear Chalo, > > Okay, now you have to tell us how you came to try Liquid Paper and > whether you've tried anything weirder. Liquid Paper was recommended to me when I was in art school. I don't know who discovered it or why-- but now I kinda wish I did. Unlike other anti-fluxes I've tried, it is pretty tenacious at staying in place both while drying and after heat has been applied. The traditional ye olde anti-flux is yellow ocher. It clings to things better than plain dirt, while effectively repelling silver solder. I find it about as easy to work with as plain dirt, though. I've used jewelers' rouge, too-- just because I had a stick of it in my toolbox looking like a big crayon made of filth. It's OK, but it flakes away more than correction fluid. The other day, I silver brazed a cracked tab back onto the brass headlamp bezel of my wife's old Mercedes-Benz. I discovered, much to my surprise, that chrome plating is the most dazzlingly effective brazing mask I've yet seen. I had carefully filed a tiny bevel on the broken edges of the bezel and its severed tab, in order to promote the formation of a neat fillet. When I got the part heated up and I fed in a bit of filler wire, it formed a droplet and fell clear of the joint. I thought that tar rising from the wood block on which I was conducting the repair had so contaminated the joint that the silver would not wet the brass. On cooling and cleaning the bezel, I discovered that the thin line where I had filed back the chrome plating had filled perfectly with silver. Since it could accept no more filler, and since the chrome refused to be wetted, the remainder of the liquid silver had balled up and fallen away. The brazed joint was as tidy, complete, and pleasing as any I have made on fancy jewelry. Chalo
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Date: 29 Jul 2007 21:39:24
From:
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:04:05 -0000, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote: >Carl Fogel wrote: >> >> Chalo wrote: >> >> >Tell your friend Bruce that Liquid Paper is the best anti-flux for >> >brazing that I have tried. >> >> Dear Chalo, >> >> Okay, now you have to tell us how you came to try Liquid Paper and >> whether you've tried anything weirder. > >Liquid Paper was recommended to me when I was in art school. I don't >know who discovered it or why-- but now I kinda wish I did. Unlike >other anti-fluxes I've tried, it is pretty tenacious at staying in >place both while drying and after heat has been applied. > >The traditional ye olde anti-flux is yellow ocher. It clings to >things better than plain dirt, while effectively repelling silver >solder. I find it about as easy to work with as plain dirt, though. > >I've used jewelers' rouge, too-- just because I had a stick of it in >my toolbox looking like a big crayon made of filth. It's OK, but it >flakes away more than correction fluid. > >The other day, I silver brazed a cracked tab back onto the brass >headlamp bezel of my wife's old Mercedes-Benz. I discovered, much to >my surprise, that chrome plating is the most dazzlingly effective >brazing mask I've yet seen. I had carefully filed a tiny bevel on the >broken edges of the bezel and its severed tab, in order to promote the >formation of a neat fillet. When I got the part heated up and I fed >in a bit of filler wire, it formed a droplet and fell clear of the >joint. I thought that tar rising from the wood block on which I was >conducting the repair had so contaminated the joint that the silver >would not wet the brass. > >On cooling and cleaning the bezel, I discovered that the thin line >where I had filed back the chrome plating had filled perfectly with >silver. Since it could accept no more filler, and since the chrome >refused to be wetted, the remainder of the liquid silver had balled up >and fallen away. The brazed joint was as tidy, complete, and pleasing >as any I have made on fancy jewelry. > >Chalo Dear Chalo, I haven't anything as strange to offer in return as entertainment, but here's a picture of a fellow that I've been trying to track down: http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1893_1940/1893_Baby_Bliss_Ignaz.jpg A few days ago, a different picture of Leonard "Baby" Bliss caught my eye, but I lost the link and could only remember that he was a celebrated bicyclist who weighed 500 pounds and was nicknamed baby, which got me nowhere with Google. By sheer luck, I just stumbled over Bliss again on a site with old Schwinn catalogs. That's him at 500+ pounds, promoting the American Bicycle brand for Ignaz Schwinn in 1893. (No idea who's standing next him--probably some handy midget included for scale.) Alas, Bliss died at 46 in a kitchen-gas accident: http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/02/26/news/107595.txt Anyway, there's the kind of bike that riders 350 lbs (and over) used in 1893. Cheers, Carl Fogel
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 15:09:20
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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In article <3imqa3d3ls6ap9gdb396dcg9na6832iivr@4ax.com >, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote: > Alas, Bliss died at 46 in a kitchen-gas accident: Tragic sauerkraut and beer incident. Notice the other dude in the photograph keeping his distance. -- Michael Press
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 06:06:08
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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In article <3imqa3d3ls6ap9gdb396dcg9na6832iivr@4ax.com >, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:04:05 -0000, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Chalo wrote: > >> > >> >Tell your friend Bruce that Liquid Paper is the best anti-flux for > >> >brazing that I have tried. > >Liquid Paper was recommended to me when I was in art school. > >The other day, I silver brazed a cracked tab back onto the brass > >headlamp bezel of my wife's old Mercedes-Benz. I discovered, much to > >my surprise, that chrome plating is the most dazzlingly effective > >brazing mask I've yet seen. > >Chalo > > Dear Chalo, > > I haven't anything as strange to offer in return as entertainment, but > here's a picture of a fellow that I've been trying to track down: > > http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1893_1940/1893_Baby_Bliss_Ignaz.jpg > > A few days ago, a different picture of Leonard "Baby" Bliss caught my > eye, but I lost the link and could only remember that he was a > celebrated bicyclist who weighed 500 pounds and was nicknamed baby, > which got me nowhere with Google. > > By sheer luck, I just stumbled over Bliss again on a site with old > Schwinn catalogs. That's him at 500+ pounds, promoting the American > Bicycle brand for Ignaz Schwinn in 1893. (No idea who's standing next > him--probably some handy midget included for scale.) Hm. Maybe it's just my imagination, but doesn't Mr. Bliss look, um, rather light for a 500-pounder? The obit you linked to lists him at 6'4", and "eventually tipping the scales at around 550 pounds." Assuming the 6'4" is correct, I think that he looks a bit too lean for 500 pounds. Perhaps someone with more first-hand experience with what tall 500-pound men look like could chime in? -- Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 01:23:39
From:
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:06:08 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote: >In article <3imqa3d3ls6ap9gdb396dcg9na6832iivr@4ax.com>, > carlfogel@comcast.net wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:04:05 -0000, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> >> wrote: > >> >> Chalo wrote: >> >> >> >> >Tell your friend Bruce that Liquid Paper is the best anti-flux for >> >> >brazing that I have tried. > >> >Liquid Paper was recommended to me when I was in art school. > >> >The other day, I silver brazed a cracked tab back onto the brass >> >headlamp bezel of my wife's old Mercedes-Benz. I discovered, much to >> >my surprise, that chrome plating is the most dazzlingly effective >> >brazing mask I've yet seen. > >> >Chalo >> >> Dear Chalo, >> >> I haven't anything as strange to offer in return as entertainment, but >> here's a picture of a fellow that I've been trying to track down: >> >> http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1893_1940/1893_Baby_Bliss_Ignaz.jpg >> >> A few days ago, a different picture of Leonard "Baby" Bliss caught my >> eye, but I lost the link and could only remember that he was a >> celebrated bicyclist who weighed 500 pounds and was nicknamed baby, >> which got me nowhere with Google. >> >> By sheer luck, I just stumbled over Bliss again on a site with old >> Schwinn catalogs. That's him at 500+ pounds, promoting the American >> Bicycle brand for Ignaz Schwinn in 1893. (No idea who's standing next >> him--probably some handy midget included for scale.) > >Hm. Maybe it's just my imagination, but doesn't Mr. Bliss look, um, >rather light for a 500-pounder? > >The obit you linked to lists him at 6'4", and "eventually tipping the >scales at around 550 pounds." > >Assuming the 6'4" is correct, I think that he looks a bit too lean for >500 pounds. > >Perhaps someone with more first-hand experience with what tall 500-pound >men look like could chime in? Dear Ryan, Well, in such matters, exaggeration is common, so you may be right. But . . . The rider on the left in the picture below (currently touring the Alps) is notoriously 6'5" and around 180 pounds: http://tinyurl.com/dm4pp Who would guess that the rider near the ceiling in the next two pictures (currently entertaining RBT's Lilliputians) is only three inches taller than Jobst, but weighs ~350 pounds, about twice as much? http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/download/tallride4.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/download/tallride5.jpg Now compare 350-lb Chalo's lanky figure and fashion-model legs to the greater abdominal development and huskier calves of Leonard Bliss: http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1893_1940/1893_Baby_Bliss_Ignaz.jpg That massive swelling behind the top of the stem is solid Bliss, not a fluffy pillow for playing Santa at Christmas. It's likely that the "Baby" nickname referred to the portly Bliss's plump-infant appearance. The bicycle in front of Bliss has 28, 29, or even 30 inch rims with balloon tires, so he may have been taller than the 6'4" claimed in the article. The faded picture leaves out much of Bliss's upper outline, a white shirt against a white cloth backdrop. The picture is probably a bit deceptive, due to camera angle and how close things are to the lens. Notice that the little fellow, a head shorter than Bliss, seems to have a bigger head. Impressive weight differences without gross obesity or anemia are common for taller men, but it's rare to see such differences at six feet or less--that is, you won't see many men six feet tall with one fellow weighing twice as much as the other. But over six feet, a little huskiness goes a long way. This 7'4" fellow is certainly husky, but he doesn't look like a sumo wrestler. He weighed around 500 pounds: http://www.andrethegiant.com/bio.html This 7'5" fellow was a lanky basketball player. He wasn't starving, but he weighed only around 250 pounds: http://www.freewebs.com/nbagiants/Chuck_Nevitt.jpg Cheers, Carl Fogel
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 15:52:00
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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In article <h50ra3h8a9au8j4s7dpref1mkd57n7eb63@4ax.com >, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:06:08 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> > wrote: > > >In article <3imqa3d3ls6ap9gdb396dcg9na6832iivr@4ax.com>, > > carlfogel@comcast.net wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:04:05 -0000, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > > > >> >> Chalo wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Tell your friend Bruce that Liquid Paper is the best anti-flux for > >> >> >brazing that I have tried. > > > >> >Liquid Paper was recommended to me when I was in art school. > > > >> >The other day, I silver brazed a cracked tab back onto the brass > >> >headlamp bezel of my wife's old Mercedes-Benz. I discovered, much to > >> >my surprise, that chrome plating is the most dazzlingly effective > >> >brazing mask I've yet seen. > > > >> >Chalo > >> > >> Dear Chalo, > >> > >> I haven't anything as strange to offer in return as entertainment, but > >> here's a picture of a fellow that I've been trying to track down: > >> > >> http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1893_1940/1893_Baby_Bliss_Ignaz.jpg > >> > >> A few days ago, a different picture of Leonard "Baby" Bliss caught my > >> eye, but I lost the link and could only remember that he was a > >> celebrated bicyclist who weighed 500 pounds and was nicknamed baby, > >> which got me nowhere with Google. > >> > >> By sheer luck, I just stumbled over Bliss again on a site with old > >> Schwinn catalogs. That's him at 500+ pounds, promoting the American > >> Bicycle brand for Ignaz Schwinn in 1893. (No idea who's standing next > >> him--probably some handy midget included for scale.) > >Assuming the 6'4" is correct, I think that he looks a bit too lean for > >500 pounds. > > > >Perhaps someone with more first-hand experience with what tall 500-pound > >men look like could chime in? > > Dear Ryan, > > Well, in such matters, exaggeration is common, so you may be right. > > But . . . > > The rider on the left in the picture below (currently touring the > Alps) is notoriously 6'5" and around 180 pounds: > > http://tinyurl.com/dm4pp > > Who would guess that the rider near the ceiling in the next two > pictures (currently entertaining RBT's Lilliputians) is only three > inches taller than Jobst, but weighs ~350 pounds, about twice as much? > http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/download/tallride5.jpg > > Now compare 350-lb Chalo's lanky figure and fashion-model legs to the > greater abdominal development and huskier calves of Leonard Bliss: > > http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1893_1940/1893_Baby_Bliss_Ignaz.jpg > > That massive swelling behind the top of the stem is solid Bliss, not a > fluffy pillow for playing Santa at Christmas. > The picture is probably a bit deceptive, due to camera angle and how > close things are to the lens. Notice that the little fellow, a head > shorter than Bliss, seems to have a bigger head. > > Impressive weight differences without gross obesity or anemia are > common for taller men, but it's rare to see such differences at six > feet or less--that is, you won't see many men six feet tall with one > fellow weighing twice as much as the other. > > But over six feet, a little huskiness goes a long way. > > This 7'4" fellow is certainly husky, but he doesn't look like a sumo > wrestler. He weighed around 500 pounds: > > http://www.andrethegiant.com/bio.html > > This 7'5" fellow was a lanky basketball player. He wasn't starving, > but he weighed only around 250 pounds: > > http://www.freewebs.com/nbagiants/Chuck_Nevitt.jpg Nice research! I agree that after looking at your examples, 500 pounds for Baby seems more plausible, though I would point out that Andre the Giant was almost certainly not 7'4", and I wouldn't be surprised to hear the weight was off as well. Pro wrestling loves to exaggerate heights and weights at the best of times, and Andre was subject to some of the most dramatic height fudges in the business. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_the_Giant Wikipedia suggests that while he was billed anywhere from 7' to 7'5" during his career, (and 310-540 pounds...) his true height was reliably measured at 6'10" when he was 28, and owing to his medical condition, he could have plausibly grown a few more inches after that. Back to the question at hand, I think you're right: I've underestimated the issue of an obviously fat man who is also quite tall. At 5'6", I struggle with the 20 pounds that separate me from my former nearly-emaciated bike-racer physique, versus my present, obviously out-of-shape shape. Chalo probably varies by 20 pounds based on how much water he drinks that day, -- Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 29 Jul 2007 04:36:37
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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Sheldon Brown wrote: > > Bruce Ingle, a very clever and resourceful friend of mine has come up > with the coolest drivetrain hack: > > http://sheldonbrown.com/bichain That is incredibly cool. Does using such a low primary gear on an AW hub make the thing more likely to self-destruct? Tell your friend Bruce that Liquid Paper is the best anti-flux for brazing that I have tried. Chalo
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 23:39:01
From:
Subject: Re: Bichain Fixed/Free Three Speed Drive
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:36:37 -0000, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote: >Sheldon Brown wrote: >> >> Bruce Ingle, a very clever and resourceful friend of mine has come up >> with the coolest drivetrain hack: >> >> http://sheldonbrown.com/bichain > >That is incredibly cool. Does using such a low primary gear on an AW >hub make the thing more likely to self-destruct? > >Tell your friend Bruce that Liquid Paper is the best anti-flux for >brazing that I have tried. > >Chalo Dear Chalo, Okay, now you have to tell us how you came to try Liquid Paper and whether you've tried anything weirder. Cheers, Carl Fogel
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