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Date: 20 Jun 2007 13:40:23
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

Hi there.

I called the local bike shop today because I want to get some work
done on a Tange 5 cro-moly steel tubed 1985-ish Miele frame I have
before I get it repainted.

#1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.

The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous. They will do a dropout
allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
the rear triangle myself.

#2: I want to chase or ream out the seat tube to its proper 27.2 mm
size because the aluminium Aero seat post I want to put in is a very
tight fit. I tried it on my other Miele and it fits fine so it is not
the seat post that is too big.

The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
properly.

So, does any one here know of a decent bike shop other than B****** in
the Kitchener or Guelph area that can do this work?

Thanks very much from Peter

Date: 21 Jun 2007 07:51:36
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 21, 9:11 am, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca > wrote:
> On Jun 21, 9:21 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 21, 8:07 am, John Everett
>
> > <jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:14:50 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
>
> > > <david.john...@lehigh.edu> wrote:
> > > >Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>
> > > >> #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> > > >> The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> > > >> etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> > > >> spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous.
>
> > > >4mm? Ignore them. Don't bother spreading it, just put in your 130mm
> > > >wheel and ride. Jeez, back in the day 4mm was within the usual latitude
> > > >of "good enough" for Italian bikes.
>
> > > >They will do a dropout
> > > >> allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> > > >> the rear triangle myself.
>
> > > >balderdash. We are talking about 4mm.
>
> > > ...and spreading the rear triangle 4mm changes the dropout alignment
> > > by about 1/3 degree. BFD!
>
> > Yep, just put the wheel in the frame and go ride.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi there again.
>
> Riding theis bicycle with the 130 mm wheel was what I was doing until
> I read on this group that there was a risk of the rear dropout
> breaking which is why I decided to get the rear triangle cold set and
> the rear dropouts alligned professionally.
>
> Yes, this may have been an inexpensive frame but it has a very nice
> ride especially on long distances.
>
> Regarding seat post size; Sheldon Brown's page lists 27.2 mm as the
> seat post size for a Miele. It loks like this is another case of there
> being an exception to every rule.

Seatpost size is wholly dependent upon:

*the seat tube diameter

**and**

*the wall thickness of the tubing

Any "chart" for seatpost sizing *MUST* take these factors into
account.

> I will go to a shop close by and get
> them to measure the seat tube on this Tange 5 tube seat tube.
>
> Thanks again to every one who has helped.
>
> Cheers from Peter-

I'm glad to hear you found a new frame - enjoy!!!!

Date: 21 Jun 2007 14:36:21
From: mark
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

Date: 21 Jun 2007 07:11:40
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 21, 9:21 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jun 21, 8:07 am, John Everett
>
>
>
>
>
> <jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:14:50 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
>
> > <david.john...@lehigh.edu> wrote:
> > >Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>
> > >> #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> > >> The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> > >> etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> > >> spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous.
>
> > >4mm? Ignore them. Don't bother spreading it, just put in your 130mm
> > >wheel and ride. Jeez, back in the day 4mm was within the usual latitude
> > >of "good enough" for Italian bikes.
>
> > >They will do a dropout
> > >> allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> > >> the rear triangle myself.
>
> > >balderdash. We are talking about 4mm.
>
> > ...and spreading the rear triangle 4mm changes the dropout alignment
> > by about 1/3 degree. BFD!
>
> Yep, just put the wheel in the frame and go ride.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi there again.

Riding theis bicycle with the 130 mm wheel was what I was doing until
I read on this group that there was a risk of the rear dropout
breaking which is why I decided to get the rear triangle cold set and
the rear dropouts alligned professionally.

Yes, this may have been an inexpensive frame but it has a very nice
ride especially on long distances.

Regarding seat post size; Sheldon Brown's page lists 27.2 mm as the
seat post size for a Miele. It loks like this is another case of there
being an exception to every rule. I will go to a shop close by and get
them to measure the seat tube on this Tange 5 tube seat tube.

Thanks again to every one who has helped.

Cheers from Peter

Date: 21 Jun 2007 06:21:03
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 21, 8:07 am, John Everett
<jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net > wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:14:50 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
>
>
>
>
>
> <david.john...@lehigh.edu> wrote:
> >Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>
> >> #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> >> The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> >> etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> >> spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous.
>
> >4mm? Ignore them. Don't bother spreading it, just put in your 130mm
> >wheel and ride. Jeez, back in the day 4mm was within the usual latitude
> >of "good enough" for Italian bikes.
>
> >They will do a dropout
> >> allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> >> the rear triangle myself.
>
> >balderdash. We are talking about 4mm.
>
> ...and spreading the rear triangle 4mm changes the dropout alignment
> by about 1/3 degree. BFD!
>

Yep, just put the wheel in the frame and go ride.

Date: 21 Jun 2007 06:20:03
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 21, 7:16 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Jun 20, 8:04 pm, Dan Burkhart <Dan.Burkhart.2si...@no-
>
>
>
>
>
> mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> > Sir Ridesalot Wrote:
>
> > > Hi there.
>
> > > I called the local bike shop today because I want to get some work
> > > done on a Tange 5 cro-moly steel tubed 1985-ish Miele frame I have
> > > before I get it repainted.
>
> > > #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> > > The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> > > etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> > > spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous. They will do a dropout
> > > allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> > > the rear triangle myself.
>
> > > #2: I want to chase or ream out the seat tube to its proper 27.2 mm
> > > size because the aluminium Aero seat post I want to put in is a very
> > > tight fit. I tried it on my other Miele and it fits fine so it is not
> > > the seat post that is too big.
>
> > > The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
> > > that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
> > > supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
> > > in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
> > > why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
> > > its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
> > > quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
> > > my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
> > > tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
> > > properly.
>
> > > So, does any one here know of a decent bike shop other than B****** in
> > > the Kitchener or Guelph area that can do this work?
>
> > > Thanks very much from Peter
>
> > Try Hugh Black at True North Cycles in Kitchener.http://www.truenorthcycles.com/default.asp
> > He is a custom builder, so I'm sure he could handle it. If you were
> > closer to Oakville, I'd say c'mon over and we'll git 'er dun.
> > Dan Burkhartwww.boomerbicycle.ca
>
> > --
> > Dan Burkhart
>
> Not bad...12 posts before the OP got his question answered..thanks Dan
> for RTFQ......and answering->'need a new bike shop'

Does he "need a new bike shop"? Fact is, he probably *does not* need
to have the frame spread from 126mm to 130m simply to accept a 130mm o/
l/d rear wheel. The bike shop was recommending the right course of
action, but (possibly) for the wrong reasons.

Also, a frame made of Tange 5 tubing and with a 28.6mm seat tube *will
not* take a 27.2 mm seat post.

Sounds like this was an inexpensive used frame, throwing $$$ at it
seems pointless.

Date: 21 Jun 2007 05:16:02
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 20, 8:04 pm, Dan Burkhart <Dan.Burkhart.2si...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote:
> Sir Ridesalot Wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi there.
>
> > I called the local bike shop today because I want to get some work
> > done on a Tange 5 cro-moly steel tubed 1985-ish Miele frame I have
> > before I get it repainted.
>
> > #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> > The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> > etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> > spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous. They will do a dropout
> > allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> > the rear triangle myself.
>
> > #2: I want to chase or ream out the seat tube to its proper 27.2 mm
> > size because the aluminium Aero seat post I want to put in is a very
> > tight fit. I tried it on my other Miele and it fits fine so it is not
> > the seat post that is too big.
>
> > The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
> > that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
> > supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
> > in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
> > why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
> > its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
> > quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
> > my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
> > tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
> > properly.
>
> > So, does any one here know of a decent bike shop other than B****** in
> > the Kitchener or Guelph area that can do this work?
>
> > Thanks very much from Peter
>
> Try Hugh Black at True North Cycles in Kitchener.http://www.truenorthcycles.com/default.asp
> He is a custom builder, so I'm sure he could handle it. If you were
> closer to Oakville, I'd say c'mon over and we'll git 'er dun.
> Dan Burkhartwww.boomerbicycle.ca
>
> --
> Dan Burkhart

Not bad...12 posts before the OP got his question answered..thanks Dan
for RTFQ......and answering- >'need a new bike shop'....

Date: 21 Jun 2007 12:04:44
From: Dan Burkhart
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

Sir Ridesalot Wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> I called the local bike shop today because I want to get some work
> done on a Tange 5 cro-moly steel tubed 1985-ish Miele frame I have
> before I get it repainted.
>
> #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous. They will do a dropout
> allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> the rear triangle myself.
>
> #2: I want to chase or ream out the seat tube to its proper 27.2 mm
> size because the aluminium Aero seat post I want to put in is a very
> tight fit. I tried it on my other Miele and it fits fine so it is not
> the seat post that is too big.
>
> The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
> that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
> supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
> in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
> why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
> its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
> quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
> my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
> tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
> properly.
>
> So, does any one here know of a decent bike shop other than B****** in
> the Kitchener or Guelph area that can do this work?
>
> Thanks very much from Peter

Try Hugh Black at True North Cycles in Kitchener
http://www.truenorthcycles.com/default.asp
He is a custom builder, so I'm sure he could handle it. If you wer
closer to Oakville, I'd say c'mon over and we'll git 'er dun.
Dan Burkhart
www.boomerbicycle.c

--
Dan Burkhart

Date: 20 Jun 2007 21:48:03
From: none
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> I called the local bike shop today because I want to get some work
> done on a Tange 5 cro-moly steel tubed 1985-ish Miele frame I have
> before I get it repainted.
>
> #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous. They will do a dropout
> allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> the rear triangle myself.
>
> #2: I want to chase or ream out the seat tube to its proper 27.2 mm
> size because the aluminium Aero seat post I want to put in is a very
> tight fit. I tried it on my other Miele and it fits fine so it is not
> the seat post that is too big.
>
> The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
> that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
> supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
> in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
> why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
> its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
> quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
> my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
> tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
> properly.
>
> So, does any one here know of a decent bike shop other than B****** in
> the Kitchener or Guelph area that can do this work?
>
> Thanks very much from Peter
>

IIRC Tange 5 was at the lower (heavier) end of Tange's offerings and may
be plain gauge, FWIW my old plain gauge High Manganese Miele frame had a
26.8mm Seat post.

For a 4mm spread job why don't you just use the threaded rod, nuts and
large washers technique (hardware store stuff). Just spread it wider
and wider and release, check it periodically until it stays at 130mm.
IME it is unlikely anything is going to break with this process.

There has to be somebody willing to do this work locally, perhaps do the
yellow pages thing, look for bike shops, ask questions.

I'm about a 100km down the road the other way and know of B****** by
reputation, I'd try somewhere smaller.

Marcus

Date: 21 Jun 2007 08:13:34
From: John Everett
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:48:03 -0400, none <none@none.xxx > wrote:

<snip >
>
>For a 4mm spread job why don't you just use the threaded rod, nuts and
>large washers technique (hardware store stuff). Just spread it wider
>and wider and release, check it periodically until it stays at 130mm.
>IME it is unlikely anything is going to break with this process.

...or just use the Sheldon Brown method. See:

http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html

--
jeverett3<AT >sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)

Date: 20 Jun 2007 18:42:18
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 20, 8:38 pm, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jun 20, 8:26 pm, datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>
>
>
> > i assume chrome moly is touchier than quality carbon steel. also the
> > shop may know your fram is oem brittle...
> > With carbon, adding USS washers/cycle axle spacers either side hub
> > then riding then adding another set, gradually widens the frame to
> > your specs without stress....
>
> I would like to see the deformation mechanism for this!!!

You'll have to visit NeverLand and use the library there. ;-)
>

Date: 20 Jun 2007 18:40:36
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 20, 8:14 pm, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> > #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> > The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> > etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> > spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous.
>
> 4mm? Ignore them. Don't bother spreading it, just put in your 130mm
> wheel and ride. Jeez, back in the day 4mm was within the usual latitude
> of "good enough" for Italian bikes.

"What's a that, you say? One chainstay a 4mm longer than the other? No
problemo!"

>
> They will do a dropout
>
> > allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> > the rear triangle myself.
>
> balderdash. We are talking about 4mm.
>
> --
>
> David L. Johnson
>
> Enron's slogan: Respect, Communication, Integrity, and Excellence.

Date: 20 Jun 2007 18:38:39
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 20, 8:26 pm, datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>
> i assume chrome moly is touchier than quality carbon steel. also the
> shop may know your fram is oem brittle...
> With carbon, adding USS washers/cycle axle spacers either side hub
> then riding then adding another set, gradually widens the frame to
> your specs without stress....

I would like to see the deformation mechanism for this!!!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Date: 21 Jun 2007 01:26:53
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

TRY
http://www.parktool.com/repair/byregion.asp?catid=12&imageField2.x=8&imageField2.y=9

i assume chrome moly is touchier than quality carbon steel. also the
shop may know your fram is oem brittle...
With carbon, adding USS washers/cycle axle spacers either side hub
then riding then adding another set, gradually widens the frame to
your specs without stress.
does the new hub carry a spacer (s) on it left side? remove the extra
widths or substitute a thinner spacer to narrow the new hub to the
original or lesser new, frame specs

Date: 20 Jun 2007 21:14:50
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

Sir Ridesalot wrote:

> #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous.

4mm? Ignore them. Don't bother spreading it, just put in your 130mm
wheel and ride. Jeez, back in the day 4mm was within the usual latitude
of "good enough" for Italian bikes.

They will do a dropout
> allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> the rear triangle myself.

balderdash. We are talking about 4mm.

--

David L. Johnson

Enron's slogan: Respect, Communication, Integrity, and Excellence.

Date: 21 Jun 2007 08:07:46
From: John Everett
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:14:50 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
<david.johnson@lehigh.edu > wrote:

>Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>
>> #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>>
>> The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
>> etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
>> spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous.
>
>4mm? Ignore them. Don't bother spreading it, just put in your 130mm
>wheel and ride. Jeez, back in the day 4mm was within the usual latitude
>of "good enough" for Italian bikes.
>
>They will do a dropout
>> allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
>> the rear triangle myself.
>
>balderdash. We are talking about 4mm.

...and spreading the rear triangle 4mm changes the dropout alignment
by about 1/3 degree. BFD!

--
jeverett3<AT >sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)

Date: 20 Jun 2007 17:29:43
From:
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

26.8, 27.0 Try a smaller seatpost- no big deal
On Jun 20, 7:48 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca > wrote:
> On Jun 20, 6:22 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
> > >> that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
> > >> supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
> > >> in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
> > >> why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
> > >> its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
> > >> quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
> > >> my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
> > >> tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
> > >> properly.
>
> > > How much of a difference is there (IOW, what size does the shop say
> > > will fit)? Also, are you sure this Miele does, in fact, take a 27.2
> > > post? If it is built of heavier guage tubing, it will take a thinner
> > > post, despite having the same 28.6mm outer dimension as your other
> > > Miele.
>
> > There were also a number of bikes from that era that were built with
> > double-butted, instead of single-butted, seat tubes. Such bikes would also
> > have smaller seat post diameters, because there would be a thicker, butted
> > section at the top (which is not found in most frames, since the theory is
> > that the inserted seatpost reinforces the frame against flex at that area).
>
> > --Mike Jacoubowsky
> > Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi Mike and thanks.
>
> This frame is Tange 5 cro-moly tubing. I do not think it is double
> butted although I could be wrong. Is it very likely that the inside
> diameter of the Tange 5 seat tube is less that 27.2? If so do you know
> what size seat post it should take?
>
> Thanks again from Peter- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Date: 20 Jun 2007 16:48:55
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 20, 6:22 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> >> The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
> >> that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
> >> supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
> >> in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
> >> why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
> >> its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
> >> quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
> >> my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
> >> tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
> >> properly.
>
> > How much of a difference is there (IOW, what size does the shop say
> > will fit)? Also, are you sure this Miele does, in fact, take a 27.2
> > post? If it is built of heavier guage tubing, it will take a thinner
> > post, despite having the same 28.6mm outer dimension as your other
> > Miele.
>
> There were also a number of bikes from that era that were built with
> double-butted, instead of single-butted, seat tubes. Such bikes would also
> have smaller seat post diameters, because there would be a thicker, butted
> section at the top (which is not found in most frames, since the theory is
> that the inserted seatpost reinforces the frame against flex at that area).
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Mike and thanks.

This frame is Tange 5 cro-moly tubing. I do not think it is double
butted although I could be wrong. Is it very likely that the inside
diameter of the Tange 5 seat tube is less that 27.2? If so do you know
what size seat post it should take?

Thanks again from Peter

Date: 20 Jun 2007 13:57:56
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca > wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> I called the local bike shop today because I want to get some work
> done on a Tange 5 cro-moly steel tubed 1985-ish Miele frame I have
> before I get it repainted.
>
> #1: I want to get the rear triangle spread from 126 mm to 130 mm.
>
> The bike shop says no will do as it puts too much stress on the welds
> etcetera and is very. In addition the cited liability issues because
> spreading the rear triangle is so dangerous. They will do a dropout
> allignment for $35 Canadian but strongly recommend me to *NOT* spread
> the rear triangle myself.

Peter, I take it you want to use an 8sp wheel in this frame (?). You
can do that without having the rear spacing changed. In fact, that's
what Shimano suggested back in 1988 when they introduced 8sp and most
frames were ~`26mm and built of steel. Those early Shimano 8sp wheels
came with "rounded" locknuts to make this easier; you might be able to
find these at a well stocked old Shimano dealer.

>
> #2: I want to chase or ream out the seat tube to its proper 27.2 mm
> size because the aluminium Aero seat post I want to put in is a very
> tight fit. I tried it on my other Miele and it fits fine so it is not
> the seat post that is too big.
>
> The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
> that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
> supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
> in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
> why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
> its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
> quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
> my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
> tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
> properly.

How much of a difference is there (IOW, what size does the shop say
will fit)? Also, are you sure this Miele does, in fact, take a 27.2
post? If it is built of heavier guage tubing, it will take a thinner
post, despite having the same 28.6mm outer dimension as your other
Miele.

>
> So, does any one here know of a decent bike shop other than B****** in
> the Kitchener or Guelph area that can do this work?
>
> Thanks very much from Peter

Date: 20 Jun 2007 15:22:06
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Bike shop woes = need a better shop

>> The bike shop said we won't do that we'll sell you a *NEW* seat post
>> that fits for about $45 Canadian. The seat tube on this Miele is
>> supposed to be 27.2 mm but the previous owner had a smaller seat post
>> in it so now the top of the seat tube is not perfectly round which is
>> why I wanted it chased or reamed. I already spread the slot back to
>> its normal size but it appears that the top of the seat tube is not
>> quite perfectly round. Or the seat tube may be slightly undersize as
>> my 1985 Miele Equipe Pro (Dura Ace equipped) came with a 27.2 mm seat
>> tube that had to be reamed slightly so the post could be inserted
>> properly.
>
> How much of a difference is there (IOW, what size does the shop say
> will fit)? Also, are you sure this Miele does, in fact, take a 27.2
> post? If it is built of heavier guage tubing, it will take a thinner
> post, despite having the same 28.6mm outer dimension as your other
> Miele.

There were also a number of bikes from that era that were built with
double-butted, instead of single-butted, seat tubes. Such bikes would also
have smaller seat post diameters, because there would be a thicker, butted
section at the top (which is not found in most frames, since the theory is
that the inserted seatpost reinforces the frame against flex at that area).

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA