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Date: 08 Jul 2007 00:09:56
From: Southern Girl
Subject: Bike weight
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I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
for riders who will not be racing?
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 12:50:34
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 17, 2:28 pm, Zog The Undeniable <hrothga...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Southern Girl wrote:
> > I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> > serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
> > I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> > 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> > The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> > Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> > that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> > for riders who will not be racing?
>
> Bike weight is important for any rider. Lighter always feels better.
I have a Merckx MXLeader that weighs 21 pounds and a Moots Vamoots
that weighs 18 pounds. They feel 'different' but the Moots doesn't
fell any 'better'. I rode a Specialized carbon the other day..just
over the UCI limit and it was an assppounder, VERY stiff, not
something I would want to sit on for 4 hours. Lighter is just lighter,
not something magical.
>
> 24.75lb is light for a touring bike, although heavy for a racing bike;
> the lower limit is about 16lb for TdF team bikes. The Jamis should be fine.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 15:36:11
From: cj
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On 2007-07-25 13:50:34 +0100, Qui si parla Campagnolo
<peter@vecchios.com > said:
> On Jul 17, 2:28 pm, Zog The Undeniable <hrothga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Southern Girl wrote:
>>> I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
>>> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>>
>>> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
>>> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>>
>>> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
>>> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
>>> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
>>> for riders who will not be racing?
>>
>> Bike weight is important for any rider. Lighter always feels better.
>
> I have a Merckx MXLeader that weighs 21 pounds and a Moots Vamoots
> that weighs 18 pounds. They feel 'different' but the Moots doesn't
> fell any 'better'. I rode a Specialized carbon the other day..just
> over the UCI limit and it was an assppounder, VERY stiff, not
> something I would want to sit on for 4 hours.
Presumably the seat & handlebar grips were different too though? You
definitely feel the stiffness of the frame would be the cause of long
ride discomfort?
I ask because it's hard to get test rides here, & any actual rider
experience is valuable info'.
> Lighter is just lighter,
> not something magical.
Well, it seems to make a difference for me going up steep hills........
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 21:28:04
From: Zog The Undeniable
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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Southern Girl wrote:
> I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
>
Bike weight is important for any rider. Lighter always feels better.
24.75lb is light for a touring bike, although heavy for a racing bike;
the lower limit is about 16lb for TdF team bikes. The Jamis should be fine.
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 19:43:21
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 9, 1:58 pm, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:16:28 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>
> >He and his "Whopper" are off to a new career in adult films.
>
> I thought he lost that in the tricycle accident?
It's "bionic". ;-)
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 19:28:49
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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"Southern Girl" <Alice-in-Webland@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:9543-46906394-25@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net...
>I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
Completely unimportant if you're talking about anything under 50 lbs.
Greg
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 12:38:39
From: amakyonin
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 8, 12:09 am, Alice-in-Webl...@webtv.net (Southern Girl) wrote:
> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
As others have said, this weight is perfectly suitable for a
recreational rider. I find the greatest joy in having a lightweight
bike is when I am not riding it and have to pick it up or I am
stradling it and need to move sideways, lift the front wheel over a
curb, etc. It is so much easier with a light bike. A lighter bike also
gives you more ability to load it with accessories and still end up
with a manageable weight. For comparison, I have a 20 lb. road bike
loaded with an additional 7 lbs. of gear that I consider light
compared to my 37+ lb. mountain bike. 25 lbs. should be no problem for
you. Remember that you should at minimum carry a pump and a seatpack
with a spare tube, patches, tire levers and a multi-tool for roadside
repairs. This, along with filled water bottles will add a few pounds
to the end weight.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 13:10:37
From: cj
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On 2007-07-09 20:38:39 +0100, amakyonin <amakyonin-u1@yahoo.com > said:
> On Jul 8, 12:09 am, Alice-in-Webl...@webtv.net (Southern Girl) wrote:
>> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the....
>
> As others have said, this weight is perfectly suitable for a
> recreational rider. I find the greatest joy in having a lightweight
> bike is when I am not riding it and have to pick it up or I am
> stradling it and need to move sideways, lift the front wheel over a
> curb, etc. It is so much easier with a light bike.
Agreed!
I only ride folding bikes these days, & I wouldn't want a bike > 10
Kilo's (22 lbs), especially when carting it up railway bridges & onto
platforms & trains or going up steep hills.
> A lighter bike also
> gives you more ability to load it with accessories and still end up
> with a manageable weight. For comparison, I have a 20 lb. road bike
> loaded with an additional 7 lbs. of gear that I consider light
> compared to my 37+ lb. mountain bike. 25 lbs. should be no problem for
> you. Remember that you should at minimum carry a pump and a seatpack
> with a spare tube, patches, tire levers and a multi-tool for roadside
> repairs. This, along with filled water bottles will add a few pounds
> to the end weight.
Exactly. There's always a minimum amount of essentials to carry except
for very short journeys, & the weight soon becomes significant. Other
things being equal, I prefer lighter weight every time.
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 09:16:28
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 9, 11:00 am, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me > wrote:
> Jay Hill wrote:
> > R.B.T., home of the whopper.
>
> Where /is/ Bill Baka, anyway?!?
He and his "Whopper" are off to a new career in adult films.
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 18:58:04
From: still me
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:16:28 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>
>He and his "Whopper" are off to a new career in adult films.
I thought he lost that in the tricycle accident?
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 03:47:14
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 9, 5:19 am, Jay Hill <jsh...@earthlink.net > wrote:
> Jean wrote:
> > Most of the
> > posters in this group...
> > are BIG guys (like over 200 lbs)
>
> R.B.T., home of the whopper.
Hold the mustard!
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 17:43:30
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 8, 6:52 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Southern Girl wrote:
> > I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> > serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
> > I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> > 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> > The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> > Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> > that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> > for riders who will not be racing?
>
> 25lbs is ok, but not fab. one thing conspicuously /not/ mentioned by
> the "weight doesn't matter" crowd is that weight and bike quality go
> very much hand in hand. if you want "quality" in that the componentry
> of the bike is better made, fits better, lasts longer and is more
> reliable, then yes, weight /does/ matter. go for the highest quality
> bike you can afford.
So, a massed produced CRFP frame, being lighter, is inherently "better
made" and "fits better" and will "last longer" than a custom steel
frame crafted by, say Tom Kellogg, Richard Sachs, etc.?
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 19:54:37
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Jul 8, 6:52 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Southern Girl wrote:
>>> I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
>>> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>>> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
>>> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>>> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
>>> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
>>> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
>>> for riders who will not be racing?
>> 25lbs is ok, but not fab. one thing conspicuously /not/ mentioned by
>> the "weight doesn't matter" crowd is that weight and bike quality go
>> very much hand in hand. if you want "quality" in that the componentry
>> of the bike is better made, fits better, lasts longer and is more
>> reliable, then yes, weight /does/ matter. go for the highest quality
>> bike you can afford.
>
> So, a massed produced CRFP frame, being lighter, is inherently "better
> made" and "fits better" and will "last longer" than a custom steel
> frame crafted by, say Tom Kellogg, Richard Sachs, etc.?
>
quite possibly, yes. carbon is great in fatigue. mass produced carbon
from a reputable manufacturer is a much better bet than low volume
"boutique" carbon since they can afford to throw away mistakes.
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 03:49:38
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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>> 25lbs is ok, but not fab. one thing conspicuously /not/ mentioned by
>> the "weight doesn't matter" crowd is that weight and bike quality go
>> very much hand in hand. if you want "quality" in that the componentry
>> of the bike is better made, fits better, lasts longer and is more
>> reliable, then yes, weight /does/ matter. go for the highest quality
>> bike you can afford.
>
> So, a massed produced CRFP frame, being lighter, is inherently "better
> made" and "fits better" and will "last longer" than a custom steel
> frame crafted by, say Tom Kellogg, Richard Sachs, etc.?
You're taking liberties with the point he was making. His argument does,
generally, hold up, particularly within a given "genre" (frames built of
similar materials, for example). The higher-quality steel frames (your
example) will quite possibly be lighter. At the very least, they'll reflect
a minimal weight for the task at hand (while it's possible that a
"production" frame might not be spec'd as conservatively and thus more
likely to fail).
A better example of where lighter=better is likely to fall apart would be in
saddles. The extreme case would be a hefty Brooks Pro vs one of the latest
super-super-superlight sexy Italian models that looks so cool but feels so
bad (to many).
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1183941810.099265.247330@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 8, 6:52 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Southern Girl wrote:
>> > I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
>> > serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>>
>> > I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
>> > 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>>
>> > The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
>> > Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
>> > that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
>> > for riders who will not be racing?
>>
>> 25lbs is ok, but not fab. one thing conspicuously /not/ mentioned by
>> the "weight doesn't matter" crowd is that weight and bike quality go
>> very much hand in hand. if you want "quality" in that the componentry
>> of the bike is better made, fits better, lasts longer and is more
>> reliable, then yes, weight /does/ matter. go for the highest quality
>> bike you can afford.
>
> So, a massed produced CRFP frame, being lighter, is inherently "better
> made" and "fits better" and will "last longer" than a custom steel
> frame crafted by, say Tom Kellogg, Richard Sachs, etc.?
>
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 16:52:39
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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Southern Girl wrote:
> I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
>
25lbs is ok, but not fab. one thing conspicuously /not/ mentioned by
the "weight doesn't matter" crowd is that weight and bike quality go
very much hand in hand. if you want "quality" in that the componentry
of the bike is better made, fits better, lasts longer and is more
reliable, then yes, weight /does/ matter. go for the highest quality
bike you can afford.
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 15:20:02
From: DirtRoadie
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 7, 11:33 pm, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Well, the only situations I am aware of where a 20 pound (or 15 pound
> for that matter) road bike would be faster than Jeff's bike would be
> urban riding with frequent stops, ...
So, it's faster to get to the next red light as quickly as
possible ;-) ?
DR
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 13:32:46
From: Jean
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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"Southern Girl" <Alice-in-Webland@webtv.net > wrote in message
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 10:19:10
From: Jay Hill
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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Jean wrote:
> Most of the
> posters in this group...
> are BIG guys (like over 200 lbs)
R.B.T., home of the whopper.
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 09:00:20
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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Jay Hill wrote:
> R.B.T., home of the whopper.
Where /is/ Bill Baka, anyway?!?
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 09:29:20
From: Jean
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 18:03:30
From:
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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"Jean" <Jean@spam.not > writes:
> "Jay Hill" <jshill@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:yYnki.5749$tj6.4200@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 06:45:30
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:09:56 -0400, Alice-in-Webland@webtv.net
(Southern Girl) wrote:
>I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
>serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
>I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
>25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
>The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
>Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
>that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
>for riders who will not be racing?
Not very important to completely unimportant..
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 03:37:31
From: Chris Nelson
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 8, 12:09 am, Alice-in-Webl...@webtv.net (Southern Girl) wrote:
> I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
Very nice bike for the $$$ IMO. Make sure it fits right, be particular
in that regard. Weight only matters up hills and even then, it matters
only slightly.
Chris
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 02:17:24
From: Barnard Frederick
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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In article <9543-46906394-25@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net >, Alice-in-
Webland@webtv.net says...
> I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
Amazing how many long, babbling answers a person can get here to a
simple question. The simple answer is that the weight of the bike makes
very little difference if you are not racing. 24.75 lbs is a reasonably
light bike.
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Date: 07 Jul 2007 22:24:39
From: JeffWills
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 7, 8:09 pm, Alice-in-Webl...@webtv.net (Southern Girl) wrote:
> I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
>
> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
How much a bike weighs, in the vast majority of cases, only matters on
the scales at the bike shop. In the real world it doesn't make much
difference. What matters *more* is whether the bike fits *you* and
*your* riding style. The nicest bike in the world won't do you much
good if you dread riding it.
Have you test-ridden this bike? Have you even seen one in person?
Shopping for a bike on the Internet is a lot like shopping for
clothes: unless you know *precisely* what you want, the possibility of
getting something wrong is quite high.
My recommendation: get to know your local bike shop. Ask for
recommendations from knowledgable cyclists for bike shops that are
willing to work with a newbie. Asking questions takes time and effort,
but it'll save you a lot of grief in the long run.
FWIW: I was out for a longish ride (88 miles) today. My bike weighs
about 32 pounds bare, and it's got about 10 pounds of accessories
attached to it. I weigh 220 pounds on a good day. Do I wish I weren't
hauling around all that weight? Well, yeah... but I doubt I'd be any
faster if I were on a 20 pound bike. I really don't see how I could
have enjoyed it more- I had a wonderful time.
Jeff
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 00:33:47
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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Jeff Wills wrote:
> ...My bike weighs about 32 pounds bare, and it's got about 10 pounds
> of accessories attached to it....
Hey, I resemble that remark (32 pound bike with 10 pounds of additions)!
> Do I wish I weren't
> hauling around all that weight? Well, yeah... but I doubt I'd be any
> faster if I were on a 20 pound bike....
Well, the only situations I am aware of where a 20 pound (or 15 pound
for that matter) road bike would be faster than Jeff's bike would be
urban riding with frequent stops, very long mountain climbs on steep
grades, or rides that are mostly on unimproved surfaces.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 00:21:47
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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Southern Girl wrote:
> I have read many of the posts and this group appears to be oriented for
> serious cyclists. I hope you will indulge a newcomer.
It's the regulars that flame each other around here.
> I will be riding in charity/group rides on rolling hills in lengths of
> 25 to 50 miles. I am riding for fitness not for speed or competition.
>
> The bike I wish to purchase is the Jamis Coda Comp. According to the
> Jamis website it weighs 24.75 lbs. Is that a good weight for rides of
> that length and terrain or is too heavy? How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
I rode my first double metric century on a bike that was well over 45
pounds (including tools and water bottles) and managed to make it up
some rather steep hills without standing (not that it was an option). 25
pounds is not that heavy, unless you are a "weight weenie".
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 07 Jul 2007 21:46:17
From: Ron Ruff
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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On Jul 7, 10:09 pm, Alice-in-Webl...@webtv.net (Southern Girl) wrote:
> How important is bike weight
> for riders who will not be racing?
The amount that weight will slow you down on a steep climb is a bit
less than the ratio of weight fraction. So if you and your bike weigh
150 lbs and you add 3 lbs, that is a 2% weight increase, and it will
slow you down maybe 1.5%. If you could climb at 8.0 mph before, now
your speed will be ~7.9mph. I don't think you will notice that, and it
won't effect your enjoyment in the slightest.
When you are riding on flat ground the extra weight will have
essentially no effect at all. So... IMO that is a fine bike weight,
and there is no reason to spend more money to get something lighter,
unless there are other reasons why you'd like to do so.
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 06:55:57
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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>> How important is bike weight
>> for riders who will not be racing?
>
> The amount that weight will slow you down on a steep climb is a bit
> less than the ratio of weight fraction. So if you and your bike weigh
> 150 lbs and you add 3 lbs, that is a 2% weight increase, and it will
> slow you down maybe 1.5%. If you could climb at 8.0 mph before, now
> your speed will be ~7.9mph. I don't think you will notice that, and it
> won't effect your enjoyment in the slightest.
Not always the case. It's just as important *why* the bike is heavier than
the actual weight itself. I could build up a 24lb bike that would feel very
nice & fast, or a 20 pound bike that felt like a pig. Unfortunately, greater
weight is at least partly a function of lesser-quality parts that may not
work as well.
I would also argue that a 4-pound difference in bike weight (all other
things being equal) makes a greater difference in ride "feel" than should be
the case. When you stand on a bike on a climb and essentially throw it from
side to side, you most definitely notice the decrease in mass making it feel
more lively. Seated, and the difference would be very difficult to tell.
> When you are riding on flat ground the extra weight will have
> essentially no effect at all. So... IMO that is a fine bike weight,
> and there is no reason to spend more money to get something lighter,
> unless there are other reasons why you'd like to do so.
Looking at the bike in question, I would at the very least ditch the
suspension seatpost and get rid of a pretty good chunk of weight. Better to
get more compliance from higher quality (and possibly wider) tires. I'd also
get rid of the funky adjustable-angle stem, which isn't a very good solution
to the problem of trying to adjust the fit to the rider. Adjustable stems
add a whole lot of weight, increase the likelihood of failure in a critical
area if not kept tight, and swing in an arc that allows you to choose
between either "up" or "out" but not reach & height separately. A competent
dealer should have a large stock of stems and the expertise to choose one
that best suits the rider.
Again, my point is that a bike that's heavier than another may be heavier
due to choices that either aren't relevant to the rider or result in lower
performance.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 19:34:35
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ1@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message
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>>> How important is bike weight
>>> for riders who will not be racing?
>>
>> The amount that weight will slow you down on a steep climb is a bit
>> less than the ratio of weight fraction. So if you and your bike weigh
>> 150 lbs and you add 3 lbs, that is a 2% weight increase, and it will
>> slow you down maybe 1.5%. If you could climb at 8.0 mph before, now
>> your speed will be ~7.9mph. I don't think you will notice that, and it
>> won't effect your enjoyment in the slightest.
>
> Not always the case. It's just as important *why* the bike is heavier than
> the actual weight itself. I could build up a 24lb bike that would feel
> very nice & fast, or a 20 pound bike that felt like a pig. Unfortunately,
> greater weight is at least partly a function of lesser-quality parts that
> may not work as well.
>
> I would also argue that a 4-pound difference in bike weight (all other
> things being equal) makes a greater difference in ride "feel" than should
> be the case.
Sure.
I play around with A LOT of different configurations for my Soma Double
Cross easily adding or subtracting 4 pounds in a shot and never notice
throwing that extra 4 lbs from side to side. By far the most noticeable
change has to do with tires, knobbed or not, low pressure or high.
Greg
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Date: 10 Jul 2007 17:36:38
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Bike weight
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>> Not always the case. It's just as important *why* the bike is heavier
>> than the actual weight itself. I could build up a 24lb bike that would
>> feel very nice & fast, or a 20 pound bike that felt like a pig.
>> Unfortunately, greater weight is at least partly a function of
>> lesser-quality parts that may not work as well.
>>
>> I would also argue that a 4-pound difference in bike weight (all other
>> things being equal) makes a greater difference in ride "feel" than should
>> be the case.
>
> Sure.
>
> I play around with A LOT of different configurations for my Soma Double
> Cross easily adding or subtracting 4 pounds in a shot and never notice
> throwing that extra 4 lbs from side to side.
I find that quite surprising. Aside from the fact that I'm curious how you
manage to "easily" add or subtract 4 pounds from your bike (an 8 pound
weight swing), unless it's adding cargo.
> By far the most noticeable change has to do with tires, knobbed or not,
> low pressure or high.
Without question tires make a huge difference.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com > wrote in message
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> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:1U%ji.5758$zA4.5407@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>>>> How important is bike weight
>>>> for riders who will not be racing?
>>>
>>> The amount that weight will slow you down on a steep climb is a bit
>>> less than the ratio of weight fraction. So if you and your bike weigh
>>> 150 lbs and you add 3 lbs, that is a 2% weight increase, and it will
>>> slow you down maybe 1.5%. If you could climb at 8.0 mph before, now
>>> your speed will be ~7.9mph. I don't think you will notice that, and it
>>> won't effect your enjoyment in the slightest.
>>
>> Not always the case. It's just as important *why* the bike is heavier
>> than the actual weight itself. I could build up a 24lb bike that would
>> feel very nice & fast, or a 20 pound bike that felt like a pig.
>> Unfortunately, greater weight is at least partly a function of
>> lesser-quality parts that may not work as well.
>>
>> I would also argue that a 4-pound difference in bike weight (all other
>> things being equal) makes a greater difference in ride "feel" than should
>> be the case.
>
> Sure.
>
> I play around with A LOT of different configurations for my Soma Double
> Cross easily adding or subtracting 4 pounds in a shot and never notice
> throwing that extra 4 lbs from side to side. By far the most noticeable
> change has to do with tires, knobbed or not, low pressure or high.
>
> Greg
> --
> Ticketbastard tax tracker:
> http://ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html
> Le petite dejeuner au Tour de Farce:
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