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Date: 14 Sep 2007 17:21:54
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Subject: Bumps between old gear teeth?
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A question for machinists and for chain and sprocket experts . . .
Are the bumps between these old teeth just irrelevant material left
over from machining small inch-pitch gears? The long-lost secret to
longer skip-chain life? Impacted half-inch pitch wisdom teeth?
Big bumps, 9-tooth, 1900 through 1914:
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1900%27s+wood+rims+with+hub+3%2Ejpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1901+Wyoma+hub+2%2Ejpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1902+Eadie+1%2Ejpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1903+Morrow+hub+1%2Ejpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1906+Durkop+hub+3%2Ejpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1909%5FEclipse1%2Ejpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1914%5FEclipse%5F1%2Ejpg
(nice tool)
Big bumps, 10-tooth:
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1906%5FCinch2%2Ejpg
Faint bumps, 8-tooth:
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1890%27s+straight+pull+hubs+1%2Ejpg
Faint bumps, 9-tooth:
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1901+EZ+hub+2%2Ejpg
No bumps, 9-tooth, 1904 through 1910:
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1904+Eadie+hub+1%2Ejpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1908+Corbin+Duplex+hub+2%2Ejpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1910%27s+Thor+straightpull+rear+hu%2Ejpg
No bumps, 10-tooth:
http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1913+Corbin+Duplex+hub+1%2Ejpg
No bumps, 7-tooth:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280153069111
The bumps _seem_ to be absent from much larger front sprockets:
http://i2.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/b6/3f/7abd_1.JPG
http://i9.tinypic.com/4taqys4.jpg
http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1649.htm
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160157336995#ebayphotohosting
http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1474.htm
http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/871.htm
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 18:59:58
From: John Dacey
Subject: Re: Bumps between old gear teeth?
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"Ille sinistrorsum hic dexrorsum abit, unus utrique error, sed variis
illudit partibus." - Horace
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:21:54 -0600, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>Are the bumps between these old teeth just irrelevant material left
>over from machining small inch-pitch gears? The long-lost secret to
>longer skip-chain life? Impacted half-inch pitch wisdom teeth?
>
<photo links snipped >
I reckon that absent those raised sections between teeth on the
referenced skip-tooth sprockets,some chains might be pulled in a
straighter line between the roots of adjacent teeth, creating pitch
inconsistencies. That straight line distance would be shorter than the
nominal pitch of the chain. The raised bits support the chain in the
middle of each link, keeping the chain arced between teeth in a way
that the effective and nominal pitch of both chain and sprocket match.
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John Dacey
Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
Since 1983
Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996
Phone: 305-273-4440
http://www.businesscycles.com
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 23:38:51
From:
Subject: Re: Bumps between old gear teeth?
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:21:54 -0600, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>A question for machinists and for chain and sprocket experts . . .
>
>Are the bumps between these old teeth just irrelevant material left
>over from machining small inch-pitch gears? The long-lost secret to
>longer skip-chain life? Impacted half-inch pitch wisdom teeth?
>
>Big bumps, 9-tooth, 1900 through 1914:
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1900%27s+wood+rims+with+hub+3%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1901+Wyoma+hub+2%2Ejpg
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1902+Eadie+1%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1903+Morrow+hub+1%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1906+Durkop+hub+3%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1909%5FEclipse1%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1914%5FEclipse%5F1%2Ejpg
> (nice tool)
>
>Big bumps, 10-tooth:
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1906%5FCinch2%2Ejpg
>
>Faint bumps, 8-tooth:
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1890%27s+straight+pull+hubs+1%2Ejpg
>
>Faint bumps, 9-tooth:
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1901+EZ+hub+2%2Ejpg
>
>No bumps, 9-tooth, 1904 through 1910:
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1904+Eadie+hub+1%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1908+Corbin+Duplex+hub+2%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1910%27s+Thor+straightpull+rear+hu%2Ejpg
>
>No bumps, 10-tooth:
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1913+Corbin+Duplex+hub+1%2Ejpg
>
>No bumps, 7-tooth:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280153069111
>
>The bumps _seem_ to be absent from much larger front sprockets:
>
> http://i2.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/b6/3f/7abd_1.JPG
>
> http://i9.tinypic.com/4taqys4.jpg
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1649.htm
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160157336995#ebayphotohosting
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1474.htm
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/871.htm
>
>Cheers,
>
>Carl Fogel
And more inch-pitch front sprockets, most without bumps between the
teeth, but some with:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainwheel.html
Two with bumps between the teeth are the Triplets in the upper right.
***
Here's a horrifying sight:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring/DSC00027.JPG
"Overman inch pitch (USA) exhibiting severe acute elongation of the
block chain."
This other Overman isn't much better:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring/overmancrank.jpg
Nor is this 1910 Rudge:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring/rudge1910th.jpg
***
The only double inch-pitch that I've seen so far:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring/spauldingIP.jpg
"Spaulding tandem with offset crank arms and inch-pitch 24-tooth outer
ring and 17-tooth inner ring (USA)."
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 22:26:34
From:
Subject: Re: Bumps between old gear teeth?
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Carl Fogel writes:
> And more inch-pitch front sprockets, most without bumps between the
> teeth, but some with:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainwheel.html
> Two with bumps between the teeth are the Triplets in the upper right.
> Here's a horrifying sight:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring/DSC00027.JPG
> "Overman inch pitch (USA) exhibiting severe acute elongation of the
> block chain."
> This other Overman isn't much better:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring/overmancrank.jpg
> Nor is this 1910 Rudge:
> http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring/rudge1910th.jpg
> The only double inch-pitch that I've seen so far:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring/spauldingIP.jpg
> "Spaulding tandem with offset crank arms and inch-pitch 24-tooth outer
> ring and 17-tooth inner ring (USA)."
I suspect the bumps between teeth were originally put there to favor a
brand of block chain that had a necked down blocks. Subsequent roller
chains could all run on sprockets with these bumps. My first bicycles
all had inch pitch (roller) chains and I wondered why, not knowing
that the pair of closely spaced rollers had replaced the solid block
that was still used religiously on track bicycles.
When asked, track riders claimed they were so strong that they would
break a roller chain in a sprint or standing start Kilo. These same
guys also had no idea why track tires were glued on with shellac. It
was this sort of information that raised my curiosity about mechanical
matters, there being so much contradiction about them.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 20:15:09
From:
Subject: Re: Bumps between old gear teeth?
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:21:54 -0600, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>A question for machinists and for chain and sprocket experts . . .
>
>Are the bumps between these old teeth just irrelevant material left
>over from machining small inch-pitch gears? The long-lost secret to
>longer skip-chain life? Impacted half-inch pitch wisdom teeth?
>
>Big bumps, 9-tooth, 1900 through 1914:
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1900%27s+wood+rims+with+hub+3%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1901+Wyoma+hub+2%2Ejpg
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1902+Eadie+1%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1903+Morrow+hub+1%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1906+Durkop+hub+3%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1909%5FEclipse1%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1914%5FEclipse%5F1%2Ejpg
> (nice tool)
>
>Big bumps, 10-tooth:
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1906%5FCinch2%2Ejpg
>
>Faint bumps, 8-tooth:
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1890%27s+straight+pull+hubs+1%2Ejpg
>
>Faint bumps, 9-tooth:
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1901+EZ+hub+2%2Ejpg
>
>No bumps, 9-tooth, 1904 through 1910:
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1904+Eadie+hub+1%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1908+Corbin+Duplex+hub+2%2Ejpg
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1910%27s+Thor+straightpull+rear+hu%2Ejpg
>
>No bumps, 10-tooth:
>
>
>http://www.nostalgic.net/index.asp?S=arc/pre1920/1913+Corbin+Duplex+hub+1%2Ejpg
>
>No bumps, 7-tooth:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280153069111
>
>The bumps _seem_ to be absent from much larger front sprockets:
>
> http://i2.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/b6/3f/7abd_1.JPG
>
> http://i9.tinypic.com/4taqys4.jpg
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1649.htm
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160157336995#ebayphotohosting
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/1474.htm
>
> http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/871.htm
>
>Cheers,
>
>Carl Fogel
Aha! Bumps between teeth on inch-pitch _front_ sprocket:
http://www.nostalgic.net/pictures/894.htm
It's a 1920's Rollfast.
CF
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