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Date: 01 Aug 2007 22:09:28
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
chainwheel.
http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 12:49:39
From: Jay Beattie
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 4, 9:59 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Aug 4, 11:00 am, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
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> <""sunsetss0003\"@invalida .com"> wrote:
> > Jay Beattie wrote:
> > > On Aug 2, 5:25 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> > >> messagenews:1186056026.657435.219550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> > >>> Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > >>>> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
> > >>>> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
> > >>>> chainwheel.
> > >>>>http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
> > >>> Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
> > >>> Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
> > >>> group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
> > >>> finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
> > >> I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly because
> > >> it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
>
> > > Oh, you'll be sorry! Seehttp://www.campyonly.com/history/50th.html
> > > $10K for a low number mint set. Who are these people? -- Jay Beattie.
>
> > Obviously, people who have more money than they have earned by labor.
>
> Or, at least, more money than common sense.- Hide quoted text -
It's odd though, because some of these collectors have a lot of common
sense -- the ones that buy low and sell high. The people who buy this
stuff to keep it are doing it out of sentiment or love or art
appreciation, which defies common sense, at least in the $10K price
range.
I work with a kid who just bought a totally spotless 1983 Wizard,
which is a Masi knock-off by former California Masi builder, Brian
Baylis. It is all SR. The exact same stuff I was racing on that year
except with clinchers. This kid is like 24 years old -- he was barely
alive when this bike was built, and he knows nothing about bikes. He
just loved the way it looked and rode. He paid $2K at a consignment
shop that sort of caters to the sentimental Bohemian set (lots of
classic bikes for sale). I looked at that bike and though about how
much I always wanted a Masi and how cool that equipment looked, and I
got warm and fuzzy all over -- for about five minues. Then I realized
that I would swap out all of the bearing components after a year of
riding in the rain because the seals suck or are non-existent, that I
would probably break the NR crank like all of my other NR cranks, that
I would be frustrated by a six speed set up in my hilly 'hood, etc.,
etc. But it would look damn fine on my garage wall. -- Jay Beattie.
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 09:59:12
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 4, 11:00 am, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<""sunsetss0003\"@invalida .com" > wrote:
> Jay Beattie wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 5:25 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> >> messagenews:1186056026.657435.219550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> >>> Carl Sundquist wrote:
> >>>> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
> >>>> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
> >>>> chainwheel.
> >>>>http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
> >>> Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
> >>> Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
> >>> group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
> >>> finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
> >> I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly because
> >> it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
>
> > Oh, you'll be sorry! Seehttp://www.campyonly.com/history/50th.html
> > $10K for a low number mint set. Who are these people? -- Jay Beattie.
>
> Obviously, people who have more money than they have earned by labor.
>
>
Or, at least, more money than common sense.
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Date: 03 Aug 2007 12:13:23
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 3, 12:04 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
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> news:1186148555.463247.280100@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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> >>like Ochsner puts forth. Same group, one of 15,000, not like
> >> they are any better. BTW-#1 is with Valentino, #2 went to the pope in
> >> 1984, whoever that was.-
>
> > John Paul II, an ethnic Pole; the secret the Vatican kept from
> > Campagnolo was that he preferred Zeus! ;-)
>
> The Pope was polytheistic?
Not exactly! But, in Italy, his cycling preferences were heresy. ;-)
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Date: 03 Aug 2007 06:42:35
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 3, 7:37 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Aug 2, 12:37 pm, Jay Beattie <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote:
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> > On Aug 2, 5:25 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
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> > > "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> > > messagenews:1186056026.657435.219550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > > >> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
> > > >> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
> > > >> chainwheel.
>
> > > >>http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
>
> > > > Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
> > > > Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
> > > > group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
> > > > finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
>
> > > I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly because
> > > it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
>
> > Oh, you'll be sorry! Seehttp://www.campyonly.com/history/50th.html
> > $10K for a low number mint set. Who are these people? -- Jay Beattie.
>
> Never have understood why a 'low number' is worth more than a 'high
> number'...
That seems to be SOP with "collectibles", from books to knick-knacks.
Who knows why?
It *does* make sense in some cases; e.g., coins, where an "early
strike" gives a more defined image than does one made when the tooling
has worn.
>like Ochsner puts forth. Same group, one of 15,000, not like
> they are any better. BTW-#1 is with Valentino, #2 went to the pope in
> 1984, whoever that was.-
John Paul II, an ethnic Pole; the secret the Vatican kept from
Campagnolo was that he preferred Zeus! ;-)
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Date: 03 Aug 2007 12:04:11
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1186148555.463247.280100@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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>>like Ochsner puts forth. Same group, one of 15,000, not like
>> they are any better. BTW-#1 is with Valentino, #2 went to the pope in
>> 1984, whoever that was.-
>
> John Paul II, an ethnic Pole; the secret the Vatican kept from
> Campagnolo was that he preferred Zeus! ;-)
The Pope was polytheistic?
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Date: 03 Aug 2007 12:37:10
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 2, 12:37 pm, Jay Beattie <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com > wrote:
> On Aug 2, 5:25 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
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> > "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:1186056026.657435.219550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > >> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
> > >> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
> > >> chainwheel.
>
> > >>http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
>
> > > Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
> > > Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
> > > group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
> > > finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
>
> > I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly because
> > it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
>
> Oh, you'll be sorry! Seehttp://www.campyonly.com/history/50th.html
> $10K for a low number mint set. Who are these people? -- Jay Beattie.
Never have understood why a 'low number' is worth more than a 'high
number'...like Ochsner puts forth. Same group, one of 15,000, not like
they are any better. BTW-#1 is with Valentino, #2 went to the pope in
1984, whoever that was.
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Date: 03 Aug 2007 00:28:08
From: sergio
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 3, 3:45 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> Oschner probably still has a couple of 'em too.
> Which do you think would be worth more, gruppo #1 or gruppo #2?
I know a guy, based in Lucca, who keeps some relics..
'Carube' his nick, Roberto Lencioni the name in real life, a highly
professional mechanician with some twenty years experience with top
professional teams, SAECO and Acqua&Sapone to name a couple of the
late ones, but mainly by appointment to His Majesty King Lion
Cipollini.
He showed me a case with a 50th Campagnolo Gruppo, well closed with
the original intact seal. He would not open it, not to rip the seal.
'One day I'll sell it as such on e-BAY' he told me.
Sergio
Pisa
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 11:37:07
From: Jay Beattie
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 2, 5:25 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> messagenews:1186056026.657435.219550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
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> > Carl Sundquist wrote:
> >> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
> >> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
> >> chainwheel.
>
> >>http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
>
> > Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
> > Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
> > group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
> > finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
>
> I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly because
> it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
Oh, you'll be sorry! See http://www.campyonly.com/history/50th.html
$10K for a low number mint set. Who are these people? -- Jay Beattie.
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 11:00:24
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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Jay Beattie wrote:
> On Aug 2, 5:25 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1186056026.657435.219550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>>> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
>>>> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
>>>> chainwheel.
>>>> http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
>>> Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
>>> Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
>>> group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
>>> finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
>> I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly because
>> it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
>
> Oh, you'll be sorry! See http://www.campyonly.com/history/50th.html
> $10K for a low number mint set. Who are these people? -- Jay Beattie.
Obviously, people who have more money than they have earned by labor.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 20:45:26
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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"Jay Beattie" <jbeattie@lindsayhart.com > wrote in message
news:1186079827.741856.247400@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 2, 5:25 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1186056026.657435.219550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Carl Sundquist wrote:
>> >> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
>> >> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
>> >> chainwheel.
>>
>> >>http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
>>
>> > Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
>> > Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
>> > group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
>> > finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
>>
>> I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly
>> because
>> it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
>
> Oh, you'll be sorry! See http://www.campyonly.com/history/50th.html
> $10K for a low number mint set. Who are these people? -- Jay Beattie.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270149664561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150143767318&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220124873695&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
Oschner probably still has a couple of 'em too.
Which do you think would be worth more, gruppo #1 or gruppo #2?
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 23:03:22
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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>>> > Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>> >> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
>>> >> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
>>> >> chainwheel.
>>> >>http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
>>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote
>>> > Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
>>> > Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
>>> > group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
>>> > finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>> I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly
>>> because
>>> it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
> "Jay Beattie" <jbeattie@lindsayhart.com> wrote
>> Oh, you'll be sorry! See http://www.campyonly.com/history/50th.html
>> $10K for a low number mint set. Who are these people? -- Jay Beattie.
Carl Sundquist wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270149664561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150143767318&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220124873695&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
> Oschner probably still has a couple of 'em too.
> Which do you think would be worth more, gruppo #1 or gruppo #2?
Absolutely #2. It's at Gandolfo!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 11:35:02
From: Jay Beattie
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 1, 11:56 pm, pay...@pantravelers.org wrote:
> It is a double that has been drilled and tapped to turn it into a
> triple. Not wise.
Nah, it worked fine. I rode a drilled and tapped '80 Campy triple
across the US and on a lot of other tours. The work was done by a
frame builder friend of mine, and I think he got a template, studs and
rings from some now defunct company. Some time in the early '80s,
Campy came out with a pre-fab NR triple with the same arrangement.
The Avocet of the time also had a drilled spider. It was just a
rebranded Ofmega Campy-clone. My NR crank did break, but it broke at
the usual spot for NRs above the pedal eye and not at the drillings.
By the way, I always thought the 50th anniversary stuff looked clunky
and marked the beginning of the dark days for Campy. They got mowed
down by Shimano and SIS the next year. -- Jay Beattie.
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 12:00:26
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
> chainwheel.
>
> http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 07:25:12
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1186056026.657435.219550@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
>> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
>> chainwheel.
>>
>> http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
>
> Home made, none of the 50th groups were triples altho triples from
> Campagnolo were not uncommon in and before 1984. Nice to see this
> group being used tho, Way too many stay in boxes and not used. I
> finally put mine onto a 2005 Merckx/Molteni MXLeader...nice stuff.
>
I used mine on a same era DeRosa as a fixed gear bike, particularly because
it seemed sacrilegious to the keep-it-in-the-box types.
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 01:23:13
From: sergio
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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On Aug 2, 8:56 am, pay...@pantravelers.org wrote:
> It is a double that has been drilled and tapped to turn it into a
> triple. Not wise.
I don't think triple cranks were around at that time.
Still, a nice bike like those I use myself.
Sergio
Pisa
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 23:56:58
From:
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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It is a double that has been drilled and tapped to turn it into a
triple. Not wise.
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 22:08:28
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: Campy 50th anniv triple crank
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
> Never seen or heard of one before. One of a kind or a butchering of a
> collector's item? Definitely a "drillium" butchering of the inner
> chainwheel.
>
> http://jacksonwoodworks.com/bike/pinarello/
Looks home made to me..........................
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