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Date: 31 May 2007 17:00:02
From: still me
Subject: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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I have a small flange front Campy Gran Sport hub. One of the cones has
some degradation. Are these available? Do they match any other Campy
hub cones?
Thanks,
Bob (a non-Campy kind of guy).
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Date: 31 May 2007 18:50:23
From: Tom Ace
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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On May 31, 6:33 pm, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> > The Nuovo Tipo hub came with the Gran Sport group.
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> I don't think that is right. The Gran Sport group (well, derailleurs,
> at least) went back before the mid-60s, while if I am not mistaken the
> NT stuff came out in the early 70s.
Depends on the year.
Original Gran Sport parts antedate the NT hubs, but during
a time when the NT hubs were in production, they were part
of the then-current Gran Sport group. Catalogs list part
number 25 as the front cones for hubs of both periods.
The catalog pages I gave a link to show a GS group including NT hubs:
http://www.campyonly.com/history/1974/gran_sport.pdf
Tom Ace
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Date: 31 May 2007 15:57:38
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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On May 31, 11:00 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I have a small flange front Campy Gran Sport hub. One of the cones has
> some degradation. Are these available? Do they match any other Campy
> hub cones?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob (a non-Campy kind of guy).
Standard Campag 9by26(front) cone, not unusual..we have as well as
places like the Yellow Jersey-$14 per
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Date: 31 May 2007 15:16:48
From: Tom Ace
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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On May 31, 10:00 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I have a small flange front Campy Gran Sport hub. One of the cones has
> some degradation. Are these available? Do they match any other Campy
> hub cones?
The Nuovo Tipo hub came with the Gran Sport group.
The cones for a front quick-release Tipo hub were part number 25.
A Record road QR front hub had the same axle, but different
cones (part 25R). They took different balls as well;
Tipo front had 10 3/16" balls per side, Record front used 7/32".
See http://www.campyonly.com/history/1974/gran_sport.pdf
Tom Ace
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Date: 31 May 2007 21:33:03
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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Tom Ace wrote:
> The Nuovo Tipo hub came with the Gran Sport group.
I don't think that is right. The Gran Sport group (well, derailleurs,
at least) went back before the mid-60s, while if I am not mistaken the
NT stuff came out in the early 70s.
Nevertheless, since both used the 3/16" bearings, the cones would
probably work fine.
--
David L. Johnson
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Date: 31 May 2007 15:16:18
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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On May 31, 11:00 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I have a small flange front Campy Gran Sport hub. One of the cones has
> some degradation. Are these available? Do they match any other Campy
> hub cones?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob (a non-Campy kind of guy).
Standard Campag 9by26(front) cone, not unusual..we have as well as
places like the Yellow Jersey-$14 per
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Date: 31 May 2007 14:12:58
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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Catalogue 17 says that campy GS used 10 x 3/16 balls in the front,
Record used 9 x 7/32 balls in the front. I've not seen GS cones as
spare parts although you might try www.campyoldy.com or mercian cycles
in the UK.
I've seen plenty of Record cones as spare parts as the pista group
STILL seems to be using Record cones. Wwwcyclery on ebay carries
cones I believe. You can probably change from 10 x 3/16 balls to 9 x
7/32 balls and make a record cone work.
Another solution is to get a complete campy-compatible axle set from
www.biketoolsetc.com, about $8-$10. They are made in Taiwan. Your
threads will go from 26tpi to M10 but you won't care because the axle
set contains axle & cones & washers & locknuts & everything.
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
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Date: 31 May 2007 14:40:02
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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Donald Gillies wrote:
> Catalogue 17 says that campy GS used 10 x 3/16 balls in the front,
> Record used 9 x 7/32 balls in the front. I've not seen GS cones as
> spare parts although you might try www.campyoldy.com or mercian cycles
> in the UK.
>
> I've seen plenty of Record cones as spare parts as the pista group
> STILL seems to be using Record cones. Wwwcyclery on ebay carries
> cones I believe. You can probably change from 10 x 3/16 balls to 9 x
> 7/32 balls and make a record cone work.
>
> Another solution is to get a complete campy-compatible axle set from
> www.biketoolsetc.com, about $8-$10. They are made in Taiwan. Your
> threads will go from 26tpi to M10 but you won't care because the axle
> set contains axle & cones & washers & locknuts & everything.
I have a Tipo/Record Frankenhub I put together 20+ years ago: Tipo
body, skewer, axle, Record cups and cones. Front hub only, it was for a
tandem with a Phil Wood rear.
Dunno if you can get the Record cups anymore, and a special tool is
required to remove the old ones, but it built up really nicely and has
held up well all these years.
ISTR the bearing surface on the Tipo cups/cones were markedly less
smooth than the Records.
Don't know if such a modification would make any economic sense with
current prices; it must have for me way back when because I was on a
student budget at the time.
Mark J.
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Date: 31 May 2007 16:02:53
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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still me wrote:
> I have a small flange front Campy Gran Sport hub. One of the cones has
> some degradation. Are these available? Do they match any other Campy
> hub cones?
Not the Record front cone which uses a different (7/32") ball size. The
NT/GS cones are available to fit your existing axle. Or use a complete
Shimano or Suzue axle set (same 3/16" balls) if it just needs to be
functional. Get new gr.25 balls and note that cleanliness counts.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 31 May 2007 13:59:32
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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I'm pretty certain that campy made only 1 type of cone from 1950 until
1990, the "campagnolo" cone. There are many sources for these online
including wwcyclery on ebay.
Anotheer solution is to get a complete campy-compatible axle set from
www.biketoolsetc.com, about $8-$10. Your threads will go from 26tpi to
M10 but you won't care because the axle set contains axle & cones &
locknuts & everything.
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
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Date: 31 May 2007 21:28:18
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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Donald Gillies wrote:
> I'm pretty certain that campy made only 1 type of cone from 1950 until
> 1990, the "campagnolo" cone. There are many sources for these online
> including wwcyclery on ebay.
Certainly not true, given that the lower-end hubs used 3/16" bearings,
while the Record (etc.) front hubs use 7/32". Also, I have a FB hub
from maybe the 40s, which is what became the Campy hub, and those
bearings are really little (either 3/16" or 1/8", I forget which).
--
David L. Johnson
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Date: 31 May 2007 18:59:43
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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Donald Gillies wrote:
> I'm pretty certain that campy made only 1 type of cone from 1950 until
> 1990, the "campagnolo" cone. There are many sources for these online
> including wwcyclery on ebay.
>
> Anotheer solution is to get a complete campy-compatible axle set from
> www.biketoolsetc.com, about $8-$10. Your threads will go from 26tpi to
> M10 but you won't care because the axle set contains axle & cones &
> locknuts & everything.
The Record hub and related parts are quite consistent but as I and
others have noted the New Type (Nuovo Tipo) and Gran Sport/Athena/etc
fronts use a 3/16" bearing and have pressed (not forged cups) at the
smaller diameter. Record parts would be destructive inside his system.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 10:26:51
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > writes:
>Donald Gillies wrote:
>> I'm pretty certain that campy made only 1 type of cone from 1950 until
>> 1990, the "campagnolo" cone. There are many sources for these online
>> including wwcyclery on ebay.
>>
>> Anotheer solution is to get a complete campy-compatible axle set from
>> www.biketoolsetc.com, about $8-$10. Your threads will go from 26tpi to
>> M10 but you won't care because the axle set contains axle & cones &
>> locknuts & everything.
>The Record hub and related parts are quite consistent but as I and
>others have noted the New Type (Nuovo Tipo) and Gran Sport/Athena/etc
>fronts use a 3/16" bearing and have pressed (not forged cups) at the
>smaller diameter. Record parts would be destructive inside his system.
Although I don't have the parts in front of me, I believe it's quite
possible that this may still work.
We are talking about finding bearings that will mesh with the surfaces
of two toroidal strips. Because the two toroidal strips have a much
larger cross-section than the bearing diameter involved, it is quite
possible that - as long as the record cones will fit inside the nuovo
tipo cups - that a set of bearings, i.e. 9 x 3/16" or 9 x 7/32 or 10 x
7/32 will seat themselves on each part-toroid, and work properly.
The bearings might ride a little higher or a little lower on one or
both toroids, but they would still rotate and keep the cones and cups
from touching each other.
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
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Date: 31 May 2007 13:27:38
From: Tom Ace
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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On May 31, 10:00 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I have a small flange front Campy Gran Sport hub. One of the cones has
> some degradation. Are these available? Do they match any other Campy
> hub cones?
The Nuovo Tipo hub came with the Gran Sport group.
The cones for a front quick-release Tipo hub were part number 25.
A Record road QR front hub had the same axle, but different
cones (part 25R). They took different balls as well;
Tipo front had 10 3/16" balls per side, Record front used 7/32".
See http://www.campyonly.com/history/1974/gran_sport.pdf
Tom Ace
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Date: 31 May 2007 17:52:26
From: Booker C. Bense
Subject: Re: Campy Gran Sport Hub Cones ?
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In article <klvt53pcnf7u794582spme0ktc7s1q5v5k@4ax.com >,
still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com > wrote:
>I have a small flange front Campy Gran Sport hub. One of the cones has
>some degradation. Are these available?
_ You can definitely find then on Ebay. Probably at
loosescrews.com as well.
> Do they match any other Campy
>hub cones?
_ I think so, but the size and pitch is generally marked on the
back of the cone.
_ Booker C. Bense
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