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Date: 11 Jun 2007 22:56:16
From: Joseph
Subject: Carbon fibre frame
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Hello All
I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 02:59:01
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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On Jun 12, 6:16 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>
> "Joseph" <joseph...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > Hello All
> > I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
> > it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
> > damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
> > the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
> > It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
> > and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
> > going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
> > until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>
> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>
...and saute them in butter and shallots. Deglaze with white wine.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 16:16:28
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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In article
<466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au >,
"Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au > wrote:
> Hello All
> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 19:26:19
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hello All
>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>
> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>
you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
sufficiently. and they don't.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 20:25:54
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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In article
<Ec6dnfzheqNRyPLbnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> > "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello All
> >> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
> >> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
> >> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
> >> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
> >> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
> >> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
> >> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
> >> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
> >
> > Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
> > Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
> >
> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
> sufficiently. and they don't.
Yes I can, and I did.
There is only one answer to a vague description of a
funny looking carbon fibre fork.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 20:34:13
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <Ec6dnfzheqNRyPLbnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>>> "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All
>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>>
>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
>> sufficiently. and they don't.
>
> Yes I can, and I did.
not credibly.
> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
>
so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 08:17:43
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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In article
<LaKdncSJqtkq-PLbnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <Ec6dnfzheqNRyPLbnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Press wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> >>> "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello All
> >>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
> >>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
> >>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
> >>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
> >>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
> >>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
> >>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
> >>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
> >>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
> >>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
> >>>
> >> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
> >> sufficiently. and they don't.
> >
> > Yes I can, and I did.
>
> not credibly.
You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
matter.
> > There is only one answer to a vague description of a
> > funny looking carbon fibre fork.
>
> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
You talk like prejudice is a bad thing. How about you
think outside your own? Do you think Joseph should ride
that fork?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 06:01:57
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <LaKdncSJqtkq-PLbnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <Ec6dnfzheqNRyPLbnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>>>>> "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All
>>>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
>>>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
>>>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
>>>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
>>>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse
>>>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I am
>>>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
>>>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>>>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>>>>
>>>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
>>>> sufficiently. and they don't.
>>> Yes I can, and I did.
>> not credibly.
>
> You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
> matter.
indeed!
>
>>> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
>>> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
>> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
>
> You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.
cite an example where it's useful in engineering!
> How about you
> think outside your own?
i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.
> Do you think Joseph should ride
> that fork?
>
i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
to decipher that something so non-descriptive.
whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
clouding your judgment.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 22:49:41
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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In article
<o-GdnT-60uxbd_LbnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <LaKdncSJqtkq-PLbnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Press wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <Ec6dnfzheqNRyPLbnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> >>>>> "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello All
> >>>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was
> >>>>>> cleaning
> >>>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a
> >>>>>> bit
> >>>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few
> >>>>>> mms.
> >>>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
> >>>>>> worse
> >>>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
> >>>>>> ideas? I am
> >>>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
> >>>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
> >>>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
> >>>>>
> >>>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
> >>>> sufficiently. and they don't.
> >>> Yes I can, and I did.
> >> not credibly.
> >
> > You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
> > matter.
>
> indeed!
>
>
> >
> >>> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
> >>> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
> >> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
> >
> > You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.
>
> cite an example where it's useful in engineering!
>
> > How about you
> > think outside your own?
>
> i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.
>
>
> > Do you think Joseph should ride
> > that fork?
> >
>
> i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
> quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
> hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
> to decipher that something so non-descriptive.
>
> whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
> destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
> clouding your judgment.
No, I have not prejudged. A damaged carbon fibre
component is suspect and if it is as critical as a fork
must not be ridden. This is a widely accepted
engineering judgment.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 06:18:18
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <o-GdnT-60uxbd_LbnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <LaKdncSJqtkq-PLbnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <Ec6dnfzheqNRyPLbnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>>>>>>> "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello All
>>>>>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was
>>>>>>>> cleaning
>>>>>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a
>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few
>>>>>>>> mms.
>>>>>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
>>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
>>>>>>>> ideas? I am
>>>>>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>>>>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>>>>>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
>>>>>> sufficiently. and they don't.
>>>>> Yes I can, and I did.
>>>> not credibly.
>>> You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
>>> matter.
>> indeed!
>>
>>
>>>>> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
>>>>> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
>>>> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
>>> You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.
>> cite an example where it's useful in engineering!
>>
>>> How about you
>>> think outside your own?
>> i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.
>>
>>
>>> Do you think Joseph should ride
>>> that fork?
>>>
>> i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
>> quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
>> hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
>> to decipher that something so non-descriptive.
>>
>> whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
>> destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
>> clouding your judgment.
>
> No, I have not prejudged. A damaged carbon fibre
> component is suspect and if it is as critical as a fork
> must not be ridden. This is a widely accepted
> engineering judgment.
>
but the point is that we don't know enough to make any judgment
whatsoever, whether we try to masquerade it as "widely accepted" or not!!!
reality of the situation is, if it were /that/ badly damaged, it would
have failed. especially with composite. since all we have is a report
that /excludes/ any incident of cause but /includes/ comment implying
that it's still working, followed by a really terrible description of
"the problem", the best you can say is "get it inspected" or "post
pics". other than that, only psychic powers will reveal more.
especially since the op has not obliged with even verbal response, let
alone anything visual.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 20:46:25
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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In article
<FaOdnaIgdJWHfu7bnZ2dnUVZ_uHinZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <o-GdnT-60uxbd_LbnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Press wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <LaKdncSJqtkq-PLbnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <Ec6dnfzheqNRyPLbnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> >>>>>>> "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello All
> >>>>>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was
> >>>>>>>> cleaning
> >>>>>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a
> >>>>>>>> bit
> >>>>>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few
> >>>>>>>> mms.
> >>>>>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
> >>>>>>>> worse
> >>>>>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
> >>>>>>>> ideas? I am
> >>>>>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride
> >>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
> >>>>>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
> >>>>>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
> >>>>>> sufficiently. and they don't.
> >>>>> Yes I can, and I did.
> >>>> not credibly.
> >>> You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
> >>> matter.
> >> indeed!
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
> >>>>> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
> >>>> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
> >>> You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.
> >> cite an example where it's useful in engineering!
> >>
> >>> How about you
> >>> think outside your own?
> >> i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Do you think Joseph should ride
> >>> that fork?
> >>>
> >> i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
> >> quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
> >> hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
> >> to decipher that something so non-descriptive.
> >>
> >> whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
> >> destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
> >> clouding your judgment.
> >
> > No, I have not prejudged. A damaged carbon fibre
> > component is suspect and if it is as critical as a fork
> > must not be ridden. This is a widely accepted
> > engineering judgment.
> >
> but the point is that we don't know enough to make any judgment
> whatsoever, whether we try to masquerade it as "widely accepted" or not!!!
>
> reality of the situation is, if it were /that/ badly damaged, it would
> have failed. especially with composite. since all we have is a report
> that /excludes/ any incident of cause but /includes/ comment implying
> that it's still working, followed by a really terrible description of
> "the problem", the best you can say is "get it inspected" or "post
> pics". other than that, only psychic powers will reveal more.
> especially since the op has not obliged with even verbal response, let
> alone anything visual.
If it were Al or steel I would still recommend not
riding it until it were examined by a mechanic. You
tell somebody you do not know whose fork you have not
examined that it is alright to ride.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 21:11:23
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <FaOdnaIgdJWHfu7bnZ2dnUVZ_uHinZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <o-GdnT-60uxbd_LbnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <LaKdncSJqtkq-PLbnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <Ec6dnfzheqNRyPLbnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <466d465e$0$22416$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>>>>>>>>> "Joseph" <joseph345@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello All
>>>>>>>>>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was
>>>>>>>>>> cleaning
>>>>>>>>>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a
>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few
>>>>>>>>>> mms.
>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
>>>>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>>>>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
>>>>>>>>>> ideas? I am
>>>>>>>>>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>>>>>>>> Cease riding it immediately. Replace the fork.
>>>>>>>>> Cut the damaged fork into pieces.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you can't say that if the op doesn't describe the situation
>>>>>>>> sufficiently. and they don't.
>>>>>>> Yes I can, and I did.
>>>>>> not credibly.
>>>>> You said that I cannot. I did. Credibility is another
>>>>> matter.
>>>> indeed!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> There is only one answer to a vague description of a
>>>>>>> funny looking carbon fibre fork.
>>>>>> so prejudice is an engineering solution? how novel.
>>>>> You talk like prejudice is a bad thing.
>>>> cite an example where it's useful in engineering!
>>>>
>>>>> How about you
>>>>> think outside your own?
>>>> i have very little prejudice when it come to technical stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Do you think Joseph should ride
>>>>> that fork?
>>>>>
>>>> i have no idea - i'm not psychic. given that it's a giant and their
>>>> quality standards are great, you can argue that it's not a problem. he
>>>> hasn't encountered any physical problem, just cosmetic, if it's possible
>>>> to decipher that something so non-descriptive.
>>>>
>>>> whatever the problem, inspection is the next step, not removal and
>>>> destruction. you're just prejudiced against carbon forks and it's
>>>> clouding your judgment.
>>> No, I have not prejudged. A damaged carbon fibre
>>> component is suspect and if it is as critical as a fork
>>> must not be ridden. This is a widely accepted
>>> engineering judgment.
>>>
>> but the point is that we don't know enough to make any judgment
>> whatsoever, whether we try to masquerade it as "widely accepted" or not!!!
>>
>> reality of the situation is, if it were /that/ badly damaged, it would
>> have failed. especially with composite. since all we have is a report
>> that /excludes/ any incident of cause but /includes/ comment implying
>> that it's still working, followed by a really terrible description of
>> "the problem", the best you can say is "get it inspected" or "post
>> pics". other than that, only psychic powers will reveal more.
>> especially since the op has not obliged with even verbal response, let
>> alone anything visual.
>
> If it were Al or steel I would still recommend not
> riding it until it were examined by a mechanic.
which is what you should say here too. instead you told them to discard
and destroy.
> You
> tell somebody you do not know whose fork you have not
> examined that it is alright to ride.
no, don't put words in my mouth.
callistus wrote:
> > rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion.
to which i replied:
> unless you post on psychic wednesday.
i wouldn't have thought that /too/ obscure.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:27:47
From: bfd
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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On Jun 11, 6:18 am, "Callistus Valerius" <jazzyb...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> > Hello All
> > I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
> > it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
> > damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
> > the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
> > It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
> worse
> > and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I
> am
> > going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
> > until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>
> rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion. If it's
> bad, the fork can at least be replaced.
Take a to a shop to have it inspected. If its minor like a chip in the
clearcoat, then apply clear nail polish. Have it checked out!
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 13:18:21
From: Callistus Valerius
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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> Hello All
> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
worse
> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I
am
> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>
rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion. If it's
bad, the fork can at least be replaced.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 07:46:10
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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Callistus Valerius wrote:
>> Hello All
>> I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre frame. I was cleaning
>> it yesterday and noticed that the end of one of the front forks is a bit
>> damaged. The end of the fork is showing a black material which I think is
>> the inside of the frame. The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms.
>> It doesn't look to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get
> worse
>> and lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any ideas? I
> am
>> going to get it checked in the next couple of days and I will not ride it
>> until I work out if the experts think it is a problem.
>>
> rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion.
unless you post on psychic wednesday.
> If it's
> bad, the fork can at least be replaced.
>
>
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 17:59:33
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Carbon fibre frame
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In article <6fydnR7BM5cuLPPbnZ2dnUVZ_hjinZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Callistus Valerius wrote:
> >> Hello All I have a Giant OCR C2 2006 model with a carbon fibre
> >> frame. I was cleaning it yesterday and noticed that the end of one
> >> of the front forks is a bit damaged. The end of the fork is
> >> showing a black material which I think is the inside of the frame.
> >> The end has apparently broken off-only a few mms. It doesn't look
> >> to me as a major problem but I wouldn't like it to get worse and
> >> lose the front wheel when I am travelling at 50 km/hour. Any
> >> ideas? I am going to get it checked in the next couple of days and
> >> I will not ride it until I work out if the experts think it is a
> >> problem.
> >>
> > rbt usually demands a picture, in order to have an opinion.
>
> unless you post on psychic wednesday.
Too bad he posted on Monday!
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