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Date: 06 Jun 2007 14:16:36
From: Tom Nakashima
Subject: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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I have been reading the recent threads here on racks and panniers.
My personal experience with them is they do alter the handling of the
bike somewhat, no mater how hard I tried to balance the load, and I
don't carry a lot of weight, but it doesn't take much to offset the balance
of a bike. Until I was told about the Carradice Nelson Rear Bag.
The bag fits behind the seat, and although it has a 15 liter capacity, I was
amazed how much I could stuff into one of these bags. I also don't feel any
balance problems even testing the bike by riding with no hands (test done
in parking lot) when fully loaded. I also used the bag support shown in the
picture so my legs never touch the Nelson bag.
http://www.carradice.co.uk/saddlebags/nelson-saddlebag.shtml
I purchased the Carradice Nelson Bag from Peter White years ago
and been happy ever since. The side pockets are nice for quick access.
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carradice.asp
-tom
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 15:21:49
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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Tom Nakashima <tom@slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
> I have been reading the recent threads here on racks and panniers.
> My personal experience with them is they do alter the handling of the
> bike somewhat, no mater how hard I tried to balance the load, and I
> don't carry a lot of weight, but it doesn't take much to offset the balance
> of a bike. Until I was told about the Carradice Nelson Rear Bag.
I use the Carradice SQR touring bag myself. It's handy to able to swap
it from mount to mount quickly. I've corrupted three of my coworkers
and one friend. They all bought the Slim because it's shaped better for
laptops.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"I was provided with additional input that was radically
different from the truth. I assisted in furthering that
version."
-Colonel Oliver North, from his Iran-Contra testimony
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 07:07:39
From: Tom Nakashima
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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"Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu > wrote in message
news:tkojj4-kkr.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
> Tom Nakashima <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> I have been reading the recent threads here on racks and panniers.
>> My personal experience with them is they do alter the handling of the
>> bike somewhat, no mater how hard I tried to balance the load, and I
>> don't carry a lot of weight, but it doesn't take much to offset the
>> balance
>> of a bike. Until I was told about the Carradice Nelson Rear Bag.
>
> I use the Carradice SQR touring bag myself. It's handy to able to swap
> it from mount to mount quickly. I've corrupted three of my coworkers
> and one friend. They all bought the Slim because it's shaped better for
> laptops.
>
> --
> Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
> "I was provided with additional input that was radically
> different from the truth. I assisted in furthering that
> version."
> -Colonel Oliver North, from his Iran-Contra testimony
It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once you've tried
them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a road bike, must
have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a Rivendell Hoss rear
seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it
was named after Hoss Cartwright in the TV series Bonanza...
HUMONGOUS!!!
-tom
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 13:17:14
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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In article <f493fb$ap4$1@news.Stanford.EDU >,
"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
> "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
> news:tkojj4-kkr.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
> > Tom Nakashima <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> I have been reading the recent threads here on racks and panniers.
> >> My personal experience with them is they do alter the handling of
> >> the bike somewhat, no mater how hard I tried to balance the load,
> >> and I don't carry a lot of weight, but it doesn't take much to
> >> offset the balance of a bike. Until I was told about the Carradice
> >> Nelson Rear Bag.
> >
> > I use the Carradice SQR touring bag myself. It's handy to able to
> > swap it from mount to mount quickly. I've corrupted three of my
> > coworkers and one friend. They all bought the Slim because it's
> > shaped better for laptops.
>
> It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once you've
> tried them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a road bike,
> must have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a Rivendell Hoss rear
> seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it
> was named after Hoss Cartwright in the TV series Bonanza...
> HUMONGOUS!!!
It is immense. About more than twice the capacity of a Nelson, maybe
almost two Campers. Mine seems nearly as big as the trunk of my Volvo.
It's friggin' huge. 26.4 liters or 1612 cubic inches or 4,788 peanuts.
Apparently someone counted. I think you might just about be able to get
a Brompton in there.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 22:26:04
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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In article
<timmcn-35DDC2.13171407062007@news.iphouse.com >,
Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote:
> In article <f493fb$ap4$1@news.Stanford.EDU>,
> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
> > news:tkojj4-kkr.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
> > > Tom Nakashima <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> > >> I have been reading the recent threads here on racks and panniers.
> > >> My personal experience with them is they do alter the handling of
> > >> the bike somewhat, no mater how hard I tried to balance the load,
> > >> and I don't carry a lot of weight, but it doesn't take much to
> > >> offset the balance of a bike. Until I was told about the Carradice
> > >> Nelson Rear Bag.
> > >
> > > I use the Carradice SQR touring bag myself. It's handy to able to
> > > swap it from mount to mount quickly. I've corrupted three of my
> > > coworkers and one friend. They all bought the Slim because it's
> > > shaped better for laptops.
> >
> > It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once you've
> > tried them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a road bike,
> > must have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a Rivendell Hoss rear
> > seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it
> > was named after Hoss Cartwright in the TV series Bonanza...
> > HUMONGOUS!!!
>
> It is immense. About more than twice the capacity of a Nelson, maybe
> almost two Campers. Mine seems nearly as big as the trunk of my Volvo.
> It's friggin' huge. 26.4 liters or 1612 cubic inches or 4,788 peanuts.
> Apparently someone counted. I think you might just about be able to get
> a Brompton in there.
A cubic foot is 1728 in^3.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 07:03:22
From: Tom Nakashima
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-74CFAA.15260407062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article
> <timmcn-35DDC2.13171407062007@news.iphouse.com>,
> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <f493fb$ap4$1@news.Stanford.EDU>,
>> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once you've
>> > tried them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a road bike,
>> > must have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a Rivendell Hoss rear
>> > seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it
>> > was named after Hoss Cartwright in the TV series Bonanza...
>> > HUMONGOUS!!!
>>
>> It is immense. About more than twice the capacity of a Nelson, maybe
>> almost two Campers. Mine seems nearly as big as the trunk of my Volvo.
>> It's friggin' huge. 26.4 liters or 1612 cubic inches or 4,788 peanuts.
>> Apparently someone counted. I think you might just about be able to get
>> a Brompton in there.
>
> A cubic foot is 1728 in^3.
> Michael Press
I have 26.4 liters = 1611.027 cubic inches.
So I'd say he's off by a few nuts.
-tom
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:48:29
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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In article <f4bnja$s74$1@news.Stanford.EDU >,
"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
> "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rubrum-74CFAA.15260407062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <timmcn-35DDC2.13171407062007@news.iphouse.com>, Tim
> > McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <f493fb$ap4$1@news.Stanford.EDU>,
> >> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once
> >> > you've tried them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a
> >> > road bike, must have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a
> >> > Rivendell Hoss rear seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a
> >> > Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it was named after Hoss Cartwright in
> >> > the TV series Bonanza... HUMONGOUS!!!
> >>
> >> It is immense. About more than twice the capacity of a Nelson,
> >> maybe almost two Campers. Mine seems nearly as big as the trunk
> >> of my Volvo. It's friggin' huge. 26.4 liters or 1612 cubic inches
> >> or 4,788 peanuts. Apparently someone counted. I think you might
> >> just about be able to get a Brompton in there.
> >
> > A cubic foot is 1728 in^3. Michael Press
>
> I have 26.4 liters = 1611.027 cubic inches. So I'd say he's off by a
> few nuts.
That's actually pretty funny, given the opinion that many folks have of
Rivendell.
Passing over that, I hauled out my Hoss last evening and I'd swear it's
bigger than that by quite a bit, but I'll have to stuff it with
something to fill it out and then measure. It's easily double the size
of my Carradice Nelson. The Hoss is so big, in fact, that it's a bit
awkward to use. You could do an overnight camping trip with the thing.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 15:51:59
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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In article <f4bnja$s74$1@news.Stanford.EDU >,
"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
> "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rubrum-74CFAA.15260407062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article
> > <timmcn-35DDC2.13171407062007@news.iphouse.com>,
> > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <f493fb$ap4$1@news.Stanford.EDU>,
> >> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once you've
> >> > tried them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a road bike,
> >> > must have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a Rivendell Hoss rear
> >> > seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it
> >> > was named after Hoss Cartwright in the TV series Bonanza...
> >> > HUMONGOUS!!!
> >>
> >> It is immense. About more than twice the capacity of a Nelson, maybe
> >> almost two Campers. Mine seems nearly as big as the trunk of my Volvo.
> >> It's friggin' huge. 26.4 liters or 1612 cubic inches or 4,788 peanuts.
> >> Apparently someone counted. I think you might just about be able to get
> >> a Brompton in there.
> >
> > A cubic foot is 1728 in^3.
>
> I have 26.4 liters = 1611.027 cubic inches.
> So I'd say he's off by a few nuts.
Shelled or unshelled?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 07:21:06
From: Tom Nakashima
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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>> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <f493fb$ap4$1@news.Stanford.EDU>,
>>> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once you've
>>> > tried them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a road bike,
>>> > must have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a Rivendell Hoss rear
>>> > seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it
>>> > was named after Hoss Cartwright in the TV series Bonanza...
>>> > HUMONGOUS!!!
>>>
>>> It is immense. About more than twice the capacity of a Nelson, maybe
>>> almost two Campers. Mine seems nearly as big as the trunk of my Volvo.
>>> It's friggin' huge. 26.4 liters or 1612 cubic inches or 4,788 peanuts.
>>> Apparently someone counted. I think you might just about be able to get
>>> a Brompton in there.
I found a photo of a bike with a Rivendell Hoss bag mounted:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3882/1390/1600/CIMG00021.JPG
and another commuter with a Hoss:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/100/1050/1600/Joe_fishingtrip.jpg
I'm curious to know how the bike balances when fully loaded...Tim?
-tom
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 20:01:45
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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In article <f4boki$a$1@news.Stanford.EDU >,
"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
> >> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <f493fb$ap4$1@news.Stanford.EDU>,
> >>> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once
> >>> > you've tried them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a
> >>> > road bike, must have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a
> >>> > Rivendell Hoss rear seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a
> >>> > Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it was named after Hoss Cartwright in
> >>> > the TV series Bonanza... HUMONGOUS!!!
> >>>
> >>> It is immense. About more than twice the capacity of a Nelson,
> >>> maybe almost two Campers. Mine seems nearly as big as the trunk
> >>> of my Volvo. It's friggin' huge. 26.4 liters or 1612 cubic
> >>> inches or 4,788 peanuts. Apparently someone counted. I think you
> >>> might just about be able to get a Brompton in there.
>
> I found a photo of a bike with a Rivendell Hoss bag mounted:
> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3882/1390/1600/CIMG00021.JPG
I think that's my friend Kevin's bike before it was repainted.
> and another commuter with a Hoss:
> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/100/1050/1600/Joe_fishingtrip.jpg
> I'm curious to know how the bike balances when fully loaded...Tim?
As you can see from the photo, the weight sticks out fairly far back.
Tends to make the front end feel light, bit you can minimize that by
putting the heavy stuff forward and the light stuff towards the back.
The flat, level bottom makes it easy to do that compared to a Carradice
mounted in the standard way. Stuff is very unlikely to fall out of it.
You can put a lot of stuff in one of these- I did a grocery run with one
and had probably almost 20 pounds, which made the bike feel sluggish and
top heavy, and the steering felt pretty light. It's cavernous and
there's a tendency to fill it up because you can. But with reasonable
loads it feels just like a Carradice back there.
One caveat, though. With a Carradice you can use a standoff between the
seat post the the bag to keep it off the back of your legs. There are a
number of photos of this kind of thing on the 'net. Jobst made one from
wood and used a toe strap to secure it; I tried that but it tended to
fall out, so I rigged up a restraint but it was still less than ideal.
I made one from a section of PVC tube with the toe strap running inside
the PVC, around the seatpost and through the loop on the bag. I see in
recent photos that Jobst has switched to a threadless stem clamped to
the seatpost with a doohickey on the end for mounting the bag. It looks
like it wouldn't swing at all. These sorts of things really aren't
possible with the Hoss, you've just got to deal with the bag brushing
your legs.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 11:26:35
From: Tom Nakashima
Subject: Re: Carradice Nelson Rear Bag
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"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote in message
news:timmcn-35DDC2.13171407062007@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <f493fb$ap4$1@news.Stanford.EDU>,
> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>
>> It's pretty easy to get corrupt to the Carradice Bags once you've
>> tried them. A few years ago I saw this tiny gal riding a road bike,
>> must have been about a 48cm frame, carrying a Rivendell Hoss rear
>> seat bag. I'm not sure if you ever seen a Rivendell Hoss Bag, but it
>> was named after Hoss Cartwright in the TV series Bonanza...
>> HUMONGOUS!!!
>
> It is immense. About more than twice the capacity of a Nelson, maybe
> almost two Campers. Mine seems nearly as big as the trunk of my Volvo.
> It's friggin' huge. 26.4 liters or 1612 cubic inches or 4,788 peanuts.
> Apparently someone counted.
Pineapple Bob?
-tom
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