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Date: 19 Sep 2007 23:18:18
From: Jeff
Subject: Chain tool question
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I'm about to build my first 10 speed road bike - ...have used/built only 9
speeds before.
My current chain tool is the Shimano TL-CN21, but I've read that I should
have one designed for a 10 speed chain.
I'll be using Campy components/chains. The Campy brand chain tool seems a
bit steep at around $90.
Could someone tell me if my current tool will work, and if not, what a
decent chain tool for the campy 10 speed might be.
I expect to use it only 2-3 times per year at the most.
Jeff
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 14:48:26
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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On Sep 23, 11:45 am, "Jeff" <n...@nothingX.com > wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> messagenews:1190375503.521528.162540@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
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> > Campag chains are standard 10s(6.2mm) and 'ultra', which are 5.9mm,
> > like shimano and Sram. Wipperman also makes 6.2 10s chains and 5.9mm
> > 10s chains
>
> >> Do you know which of these will work best with my Campy brand 10s chain?
>
> > Look at the package and if it says 'Ultra', use the shimano type, 6.05
> > link.
>
> Ahh, now this fills in the remainder of the blanks. The last time I built a
> bike with Campy record (my tandem) it was about 8-10 years ago and there was
> only 1 campy 10 speed chain that had just come out that year and the 9
> speeds were still the most common. ...but I just bought a 2008 Record group
> so that will be the ultra. ...already ordered the "Shimano" sized Wipperman
> links. ...funny that even the best of the mail-order places aren't
> explaining which link to buy.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
Funny ha, ha or funny strange?(I know, I know!!)
MO aren't 'bike shops'.
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 20:39:26
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:18:18 -0500, in rec.bicycles.tech "Jeff"
<none@nothingX.com > wrote:
>Could someone tell me if my current tool will work, and if not, what a
>decent chain tool for the campy 10 speed might be.
I can't see why the old one wouldn't work. I have found that, in the
cheap ones, the press pin will deform with use; however, the chain
pins should be the same size.
Jones
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 04:52:17
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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On Sep 20, 9:38 am, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> > ...just lube well and push in slowly.
>
> Anyone?!?
tee hee.......
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 04:51:43
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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On Sep 20, 7:28 am, "Jeff" <n...@nothingX.com > wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> messagenews:1190291865.476379.99520@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Recommend getting the Wipperman link for narrow 10s chains(designated
> > for shimano but fine for Campagnolo ultra, 5.9mm chains) and then use
> > any chain tool to shorten the chain BUT...you can get the Campag pin
> > into their chain with any chaintool..just lube well and push in
> > slowly.
>
> Thanks. I've used the Wipperman links for all my other bikes and love them.
> I'm looking now and they seem to have two versions.
>
> From what I'm now reading, the 1 version is marked for Shimano and is 6.05mm
> wide and the other is simply marked "connex" and
> is 6.2mm wide and reported the one best for Campy chains. But I'm still
> confused whether by "campy" they are referring to the Wipperman brand chain
> that was made for the Campy drive or whether the wider 6.2 version will work
> for campy brand campy chains.
Campag chains are standard 10s(6.2mm) and 'ultra', which are 5.9mm,
like shimano and Sram. Wipperman also makes 6.2 10s chains and 5.9mm
10s chains
>
> Do you know which of these will work best with my Campy brand 10s chain?
Look at the package and if it says 'Ultra', use the shimano type, 6.05
link.
>
> Btw, Peter, wasn't it you who assisted me about 8 years ago or so in
> converting a 10 speed Campy record lever to a 9 speed so that I could use it
> on my tandem that had a shimano 9 speed cog? ...you been on this ng that
> long?
Could be....most times great entertainment, informative,
enjoyable...most times.
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
>
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 12:45:36
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1190375503.521528.162540@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Campag chains are standard 10s(6.2mm) and 'ultra', which are 5.9mm,
> like shimano and Sram. Wipperman also makes 6.2 10s chains and 5.9mm
> 10s chains
>>
>> Do you know which of these will work best with my Campy brand 10s chain?
>
> Look at the package and if it says 'Ultra', use the shimano type, 6.05
> link.
Ahh, now this fills in the remainder of the blanks. The last time I built a
bike with Campy record (my tandem) it was about 8-10 years ago and there was
only 1 campy 10 speed chain that had just come out that year and the 9
speeds were still the most common. ...but I just bought a 2008 Record group
so that will be the ultra. ...already ordered the "Shimano" sized Wipperman
links. ...funny that even the best of the mail-order places aren't
explaining which link to buy.
Thanks
Jeff
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 13:11:50
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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Jeff wrote:
> I'm about to build my first 10 speed road bike - ...have used/built only
> 9 speeds before.
>
> My current chain tool is the Shimano TL-CN21, but I've read that I
> should have one designed for a 10 speed chain.
>
> I'll be using Campy components/chains. The Campy brand chain tool seems
> a bit steep at around $90.
>
> Could someone tell me if my current tool will work, and if not, what a
> decent chain tool for the campy 10 speed might be.
>
> I expect to use it only 2-3 times per year at the most.
First, throw out the Campagnolo chain joining system and the directions.
Get a snap link for your chain and use it.
Any chain breaker such as the timeless Cyclo Rivoli is fine to cut your
chain to length on installation. Use your snap link to separate after that.
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 07:18:54
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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On Sep 19, 11:18 pm, "Jeff" <n...@nothingX.com > wrote:
> I'm about to build my first 10 speed road bike - ...have used/built only 9
> speeds before.
>
> My current chain tool is the Shimano TL-CN21, but I've read that I should
> have one designed for a 10 speed chain.
>
> I'll be using Campy components/chains. The Campy brand chain tool seems a
> bit steep at around $90.
>
> Could someone tell me if my current tool will work, and if not, what a
> decent chain tool for the campy 10 speed might be.
>
> I expect to use it only 2-3 times per year at the most.
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
The best chain tool for a campy chain is a wipperman removeable
Shimano 10 link.
Don't drop $90 - 110 for the campy tool. Spend it in quicklinks which
are $5 each.
D'ohBoy
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 05:37:45
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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On Sep 19, 10:18 pm, "Jeff" <n...@nothingX.com > wrote:
> I'm about to build my first 10 speed road bike - ...have used/built only 9
> speeds before.
>
> My current chain tool is the Shimano TL-CN21, but I've read that I should
> have one designed for a 10 speed chain.
>
> I'll be using Campy components/chains. The Campy brand chain tool seems a
> bit steep at around $90.
>
> Could someone tell me if my current tool will work, and if not, what a
> decent chain tool for the campy 10 speed might be.
Recommend getting the Wipperman link for narrow 10s chains(designated
for shimano but fine for Campagnolo ultra, 5.9mm chains) and then use
any chain tool to shorten the chain BUT...you can get the Campag pin
into their chain with any chaintool..just lube well and push in
slowly.
>
> I expect to use it only 2-3 times per year at the most.
>
> Jeff
>
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 19:24:14
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> On Sep 19, 10:18 pm, "Jeff" <n...@nothingX.com> wrote:
>> I'm about to build my first 10 speed road bike - ...have used/built only 9
>> speeds before.
>>
>> My current chain tool is the Shimano TL-CN21, but I've read that I should
>> have one designed for a 10 speed chain.
>>
>> I'll be using Campy components/chains. The Campy brand chain tool seems a
>> bit steep at around $90.
>>
>> Could someone tell me if my current tool will work, and if not, what a
>> decent chain tool for the campy 10 speed might be.
>
> Recommend getting the Wipperman link for narrow 10s chains(designated
> for shimano but fine for Campagnolo ultra, 5.9mm chains) and then use
> any chain tool to shorten the chain BUT...you can get the Campag pin
> into their chain with any chaintool..just lube well and push in
> slowly.
I don't trust any 10 speed Campy chain that is not closed with a
wipperman link or closed by me using a Campy chaintool. A Campy
chaintool is to expensive so the wipperman link is the only option I trust.
Lou
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 08:38:25
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> ...just lube well and push in slowly.
Anyone?!?
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 17:53:26
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>> ...just lube well and push in slowly.
Bill Sornson wrote:
> Anyone?!?
Nice edit there, Mr 'Family Newsgroup'.
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 08:28:10
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1190291865.476379.99520@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Recommend getting the Wipperman link for narrow 10s chains(designated
> for shimano but fine for Campagnolo ultra, 5.9mm chains) and then use
> any chain tool to shorten the chain BUT...you can get the Campag pin
> into their chain with any chaintool..just lube well and push in
> slowly.
Thanks. I've used the Wipperman links for all my other bikes and love them.
I'm looking now and they seem to have two versions.
From what I'm now reading, the 1 version is marked for Shimano and is 6.05mm
wide and the other is simply marked "connex" and
is 6.2mm wide and reported the one best for Campy chains. But I'm still
confused whether by "campy" they are referring to the Wipperman brand chain
that was made for the Campy drive or whether the wider 6.2 version will work
for campy brand campy chains.
Do you know which of these will work best with my Campy brand 10s chain?
Btw, Peter, wasn't it you who assisted me about 8 years ago or so in
converting a 10 speed Campy record lever to a 9 speed so that I could use it
on my tandem that had a shimano 9 speed cog? ...you been on this ng that
long?
Thanks
Jeff
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 17:22:42
From: A R:nen
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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"Jeff" <none@nothingX.com > writes:
> From what I'm now reading, the 1 version is marked for Shimano and is
> 6.05mm wide and the other is simply marked "connex" and
> is 6.2mm wide and reported the one best for Campy chains. But I'm
> still confused whether by "campy" they are referring to the Wipperman
> brand chain that was made for the Campy drive or whether the wider 6.2
> version will work for campy brand campy chains.
The 6.2 mm is for old (pre-Ultra-Narrow) Campagnolo 10s chains and for
Wippermann's own 10s chains for Campy with the same width, for newer
Ultra-Narrow Campy chains you should use the 6.05 mm one.
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 21:24:05
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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"A R:nen" <oronkain@ling.helsinki.fi > wrote in message
news:ysrxbqbx5sct.fsf@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi...
> "Jeff" <none@nothingX.com> writes:
>
> The 6.2 mm is for old (pre-Ultra-Narrow) Campagnolo 10s chains and for
> Wippermann's own 10s chains for Campy with the same width, for newer
> Ultra-Narrow Campy chains you should use the 6.05 mm one.
Ahh, now what I've seen elsewhere makes sense. Thanks. This was what I
needed to know.
...will use my existing tool to break the chain to the right size and the
6.05 "Shimano" link to join it.
Jeff
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 09:06:32
From: Joel Mayes
Subject: Re: Chain tool question
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On 2007-09-20, Jeff <none@nothingX.com > wrote:
> I'm about to build my first 10 speed road bike - ...have used/built only 9
> speeds before.
>
> My current chain tool is the Shimano TL-CN21, but I've read that I should
> have one designed for a 10 speed chain.
Sounds like crap to me, the pin is the same diameter, just shorter you
current tool should be fine.
Cheers
Joel
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