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Date: 23 Sep 2007 14:18:16
From: Duncan Smith
Subject: Chris King retailer in UK?
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There are plenty of UK websites that offer the Chris King NoThreadSet
headset (for about =A3100 if you shop around), but I haven't found
anywhere that can supply the spacer kit as well.
Any ideas?
Many thanks,
Duncan
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 06:55:03
From: Duncan Smith
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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>
> You can't get the spacers in the UK, but I got mine (yeah, I'm a poser
> and wanted spacers to colour match my Mango CK headset) fromhttp://www.aspirevelotech.comand with the weak dollar you'd be better
> getting the headset from them too, $129 is GBP65 and free shipping.
> Mine came inside a week and with no import duty/VAT to pay, although
> you might not be so lucky so you might have to pay the Post Office
> about twenty quid.
>
Good answer! Thanks.
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 00:32:51
From: Kinky Cowboy
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:18:16 -0000, Duncan Smith
<DSmith1974@googlemail.com > wrote:
>There are plenty of UK websites that offer the Chris King NoThreadSet
>headset (for about £100 if you shop around), but I haven't found
>anywhere that can supply the spacer kit as well.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Duncan
You can't get the spacers in the UK, but I got mine (yeah, I'm a poser
and wanted spacers to colour match my Mango CK headset) from
http://www.aspirevelotech.com and with the weak dollar you'd be better
getting the headset from them too, $129 is GBP65 and free shipping.
Mine came inside a week and with no import duty/VAT to pay, although
you might not be so lucky so you might have to pay the Post Office
about twenty quid.
Kinky Cowboy*
*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 15:13:51
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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On Sep 23, 1:47 pm, Duncan Smith <DSmith1...@googlemail.com > wrote:
> > >Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
> > >any alu headset.
>
> > Think about the engineering involved and where the problems will be.
> > Headset : bearings, seals, and stuff to hold them in place. Lots of chances
> > to use lower quality bearings, bits which don't fit as well, etc.
>
> > Spacer : ring of metal (or CF if you're feeling posey :-) ). Even I could
> > probably make a straight spacer...
>
> > Of course if it's looks you're after, that's a different game.
>
> Quite, I'd sourced the CK headset as quality kit 'cause of issues I'm
> having with my current unit and it fits my requirements well. One
> might as well have the colour and finish of the spacers to match up.
>
> Regards,
>
> Duncan
Make sure the headtube is facxed and the spacers will work just
fine....
$200 US for that HS..yowser and thanks George for allowing the $ to
slide so much vs the Euro and Pound...makes US products cheaper and
keeps all the yankees home.
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 07:58:04
From: M-gineering
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>
> $200 US for that HS..yowser and thanks George for allowing the $ to
> slide so much vs the Euro and Pound...makes US products cheaper and
> keeps all the yankees home.
>
nothing to do with exchange rates, everything with markup as US retail =
Europe wholesale! RRP for a simple headset is $220 ex 19% salestax here.
--
/Marten
info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 17:13:47
From: Kinky Cowboy
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:58:04 +0200, M-gineering
<ikmotgeenspam@m-gineering.nl > wrote:
>Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>
>>
>> $200 US for that HS..yowser and thanks George for allowing the $ to
>> slide so much vs the Euro and Pound...makes US products cheaper and
>> keeps all the yankees home.
>>
>nothing to do with exchange rates, everything with markup as US retail =
>Europe wholesale! RRP for a simple headset is $220 ex 19% salestax here.
Quite a lot to do with exchange rates; the UK price of the CK headset
was the same when the pound was at $1.40, which was fair enough, but
importers/wholesalers/retailers haven't adjusted to the new GBP=$2
reality.
Kinky Cowboy*
*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 21:49:08
From: Zog The Undeniable
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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Kinky Cowboy wrote:
> Quite a lot to do with exchange rates; the UK price of the CK headset
> was the same when the pound was at $1.40, which was fair enough, but
> importers/wholesalers/retailers haven't adjusted to the new GBP=$2
> reality.
They have adjusted...now they think "Ker-ching!" with every sale...
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 19:47:00
From: Duncan Smith
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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> >Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
> >any alu headset.
>
> Think about the engineering involved and where the problems will be.
> Headset : bearings, seals, and stuff to hold them in place. Lots of chances
> to use lower quality bearings, bits which don't fit as well, etc.
>
> Spacer : ring of metal (or CF if you're feeling posey :-) ). Even I could
> probably make a straight spacer...
>
> Of course if it's looks you're after, that's a different game.
>
Quite, I'd sourced the CK headset as quality kit 'cause of issues I'm
having with my current unit and it fits my requirements well. One
might as well have the colour and finish of the spacers to match up.
Regards,
Duncan
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 10:34:07
From: Duncan Smith
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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On Sep 23, 5:10 pm, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 8:18 am, Duncan Smith <DSmith1...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are plenty of UK websites that offer the Chris King NoThreadSet
> > headset (for about =A3100 if you shop around), but I haven't found
> > anywhere that can supply the spacer kit as well.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> > Many thanks,
>
> > Duncan
>
> "Spacer kit"? Just use any aluminum headset spacer..no need for them
> to be 'Chris King'..
Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
any alu headset.
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 16:35:53
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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> > There are plenty of UK websites that offer the Chris King NoThreadSet
> > headset (for about £100 if you shop around), but I haven't found
> > anywhere that can supply the spacer kit as well.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> > Many thanks,
>
> > Duncan
>
> "Spacer kit"? Just use any aluminum headset spacer..no need for them
> to be 'Chris King'..
>>Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
>>any alu headset.
No, the logical conclusion would be not to use a bike at all until Chris
King decides to come out with a stem, since it's far more likely you'll have
tolernace issues with the facing of the stem than you will with spacers.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Duncan Smith" <DSmith1974@googlemail.com > wrote in message
news:1190568847.958790.292570@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 5:10 pm, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 8:18 am, Duncan Smith <DSmith1...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are plenty of UK websites that offer the Chris King NoThreadSet
> > headset (for about £100 if you shop around), but I haven't found
> > anywhere that can supply the spacer kit as well.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> > Many thanks,
>
> > Duncan
>
> "Spacer kit"? Just use any aluminum headset spacer..no need for them
> to be 'Chris King'..
Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
any alu headset.
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 19:29:09
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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"Duncan Smith" <DSmith1974@googlemail.com > wrote in message
news:1190568847.958790.292570@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> "Spacer kit"? Just use any aluminum headset spacer..no need for them
>> to be 'Chris King'..
>
>Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
>any alu headset.
Think about the engineering involved and where the problems will be.
Headset : bearings, seals, and stuff to hold them in place. Lots of chances
to use lower quality bearings, bits which don't fit as well, etc.
Spacer : ring of metal (or CF if you're feeling posey :-) ). Even I could
probably make a straight spacer...
Of course if it's looks you're after, that's a different game.
cheers,
clive
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 20:40:48
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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Clive George wrote:
> "Duncan Smith" <DSmith1974@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1190568847.958790.292570@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>>> "Spacer kit"? Just use any aluminum headset spacer..no need for them
>>> to be 'Chris King'..
>>
>> Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
>> any alu headset.
>
> Think about the engineering involved and where the problems will be.
> Headset : bearings, seals, and stuff to hold them in place. Lots of
> chances to use lower quality bearings, bits which don't fit as well, etc.
>
> Spacer : ring of metal (or CF if you're feeling posey :-) ). Even I
> could probably make a straight spacer...
Are you sure? Those are very special spacers according to their website,
I cite:
Spacers are an important link in properly setting up your headset. While
used to adjust the height of your stem, they transfer important
alignment from the bottom of your stem to the top of the headset.
Lacking exactness, there will be little you can do to achieve and
maintain proper adjustment. While spacers are simple in their design and
duty, there is no more room for compromise here than in our other
components.
Our precision headset spacers are made to the same exacting standards as
our headsets. Each spacer is lathe-cut from high-grade aluminum bar
stock in a single operation ensuring exactness of size, concentricity,
and parallel surfaces. Many of the other headset spacers available in
the market are saw-cut from a tube resulting in variances of these
all-important tolerances. This is especially true with the now popular
carbon fiber headset spacer. Fashionable? Yes. Precision? Questionable.
In addition to sizing variances, carbon fiber has poor qualities in
compression, which is what it is subject to during adjustment and from
trail forces as the bicycle is ridden. We believe that this is an
impractical material to specify spacers to be made from when our 3mm
spacer weighs just 2.5 grams by the way.
Geezzz.
Lou
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 21:48:00
From: Zog The Undeniable
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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Lou Holtman wrote:
> Geezzz.
:-)
It's a bike, not a Pentium processor. If the bars turn freely, there's
no play and it doesn't come loose, it's all right.
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 21:04:16
From: M-gineering
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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Lou Holtman wrote:
> Clive George wrote:
>> "Duncan Smith" <DSmith1974@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1190568847.958790.292570@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>> "Spacer kit"? Just use any aluminum headset spacer..no need for them
>>>> to be 'Chris King'..
>>>
>>> Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
>>> any alu headset.
>>
>> Think about the engineering involved and where the problems will be.
>> Headset : bearings, seals, and stuff to hold them in place. Lots of
>> chances to use lower quality bearings, bits which don't fit as well, etc.
>>
>> Spacer : ring of metal (or CF if you're feeling posey :-) ). Even I
>> could probably make a straight spacer...
>
> Are you sure? Those are very special spacers according to their website,
> I cite:
>
> Spacers are an important link in properly setting up your headset. While
> used to adjust the height of your stem, they transfer important
> alignment from the bottom of your stem to the top of the headset.
> Lacking exactness, there will be little you can do to achieve and
> maintain proper adjustment. While spacers are simple in their design and
> duty, there is no more room for compromise here than in our other
> components.
>
> Our precision headset spacers are made to the same exacting standards as
> our headsets. Each spacer is lathe-cut from high-grade aluminum bar
> stock in a single operation ensuring exactness of size, concentricity,
> and parallel surfaces. Many of the other headset spacers available in
> the market are saw-cut from a tube resulting in variances of these
> all-important tolerances. This is especially true with the now popular
> carbon fiber headset spacer. Fashionable? Yes. Precision? Questionable.
> In addition to sizing variances, carbon fiber has poor qualities in
> compression, which is what it is subject to during adjustment and from
> trail forces as the bicycle is ridden. We believe that this is an
> impractical material to specify spacers to be made from when our 3mm
> spacer weighs just 2.5 grams by the way.
>
> Geezzz.
>
> Lou
I guess this means we' ll have to wait untill a CK stem <--insert 5
paragraphs here on how the the stembore is created exactly square to the
bottom with a genius not available to lesser mortals while
simultaneously respecting the environment and driving around in V10
pickup trucks....-- > becomes available before we can experience the true
precision promised by these exacting spacers ;)
--
/Marten
info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 14:56:39
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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"Lou Holtman" <lholremovethis@planet.nl > wrote in message
news:46f6b339$1@news.nb.nu...
> Are you sure? Those are very special spacers according to their website, I
> cite:
>
-snip-
> Geezzz.
>
> Lou
I think the "squareness" of the spacer is important to maintain correct
alignment of the headset bearing (i.e. the height of the spacer needs to be
perpendicular to the diameter of the spacer), but this is not hard to do
Having used an el-cheapo front canti brake cable guide that fitted on the
fork steerer column, I had trouble making sure the alignment of the bearing
headset was square until I measured the height of the cable guide all around
its circumference and found that it was not constant.
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 21:06:28
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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Jambo wrote:
> "Lou Holtman" <lholremovethis@planet.nl> wrote in message
> news:46f6b339$1@news.nb.nu...
>> Are you sure? Those are very special spacers according to their website, I
>> cite:
>>
> -snip-
>
>> Geezzz.
>>
>> Lou
>
> I think the "squareness" of the spacer is important to maintain correct
> alignment of the headset bearing (i.e. the height of the spacer needs to be
> perpendicular to the diameter of the spacer), but this is not hard to do
That's the only important spec. Anyone can do that using a lathe.
Concentricity?
High-grade aluminum bar stock?
Carbon fiber has poor qualities in compression?
Saw-cut from a tube?
Lou
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 19:16:06
From: MJP
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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"Duncan Smith" <DSmith1974@googlemail.com > wrote in message
news:1190568847.958790.292570@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 5:10 pm, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 8:18 am, Duncan Smith <DSmith1...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are plenty of UK websites that offer the Chris King NoThreadSet
> > headset (for about £100 if you shop around), but I haven't found
> > anywhere that can supply the spacer kit as well.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> > Many thanks,
>
> > Duncan
>
> "Spacer kit"? Just use any aluminum headset spacer..no need for them
> to be 'Chris King'..
Guess not. But if I follow that to its conclusion I could just use
any alu headset.
I am of the opinion that your conclusion is fallacious. The headset is a
precision engineered component with mating precision parts. A spacer is a
spacer and even with tolerances to size at ten times the tolerance of the
parts in the headset would still most likely be fit for purpose.
MJP
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 09:10:06
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Chris King retailer in UK?
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On Sep 23, 8:18 am, Duncan Smith <DSmith1...@googlemail.com > wrote:
> There are plenty of UK websites that offer the Chris King NoThreadSet
> headset (for about =A3100 if you shop around), but I haven't found
> anywhere that can supply the spacer kit as well.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Duncan
"Spacer kit"? Just use any aluminum headset spacer..no need for them
to be 'Chris King'..
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