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Date: 17 Nov 2007 12:50:36
From: datakoll
Subject: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
limes oranges ...
is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 21:08:49
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Nov 17, 2:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> limes oranges ...
As the volatility level of this religion thread is sub-par, I suggest
that people that don't lube with Dupont teflon/wax lube and clean
chains with Dawn dish soap and a tooth brush are deserving of being
thrown down the village well.
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Date: 19 Nov 2007 02:05:05
From: Werehatrack
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:08:49 -0800 (PST), landotter
<landotter@gmail.com > wrote:
>On Nov 17, 2:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
>> limes oranges ...
>
>As the volatility level of this religion thread is sub-par, I suggest
>that people that don't lube with Dupont teflon/wax lube and clean
>chains with Dawn dish soap and a tooth brush are deserving of being
>thrown down the village well.
That's a recipe for getting strung up for polluting the water source.
You toss such philistines into the *privy*, not the well.
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 20:02:52
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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Of What is Simple Green composed?
Citric acid cleans bilges and ovens - see the hyperlink to the fed
site in previous posts.
Why would citric not clean chains?
The oil in orange peels is aromatic?
Why would the pulp contain citric acid and not the peel? A peel - pulp
barrier?
Do you know Amuzi? Is this a conspiracy forcing the turkey cooking in
a less than white microwave?
Orange juice from say Tropicana is a boiled, refined product. The
peels? I'll ask.
Picking oranges is really brutal labor. The guys doing it are tri
athlete level monkeys.
What brand citric sprays are used in 'your' neck of the woods?
Any guesses on spray's citric solution concentration? The label?
I'm taking a look at the Prestone radiator cleaner: first rate grease
remover. I remember PRC as free of other chemicals know to the State
of California to produce inedible turkey or chicken as it were.
Park's ?
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Date: 19 Nov 2007 02:02:16
From: Werehatrack
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:02:52 -0800 (PST), datakoll
<datakoll@yahoo.com > wrote:
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>Of What is Simple Green composed?
AFAIK, they aren't saying, and labelling requirements and trade secret
laws allow them to get away with that. They do, however, state that
their product is not citrus-based, and the last time I looked, they
even disparaged the citrus-based products.
>Citric acid cleans bilges and ovens - see the hyperlink to the fed
>site in previous posts.
That's for removing lime and corrosion deposits. This is not what you
get on a non-rusty chain. Acids, in general, are a very poor or even
damaging class of things to use in a situation where what you want to
remove is buildup of grease-entrained abrasives. (Trying to etch the
corrosion from a rusty chain is a recipe for failure in my direct
experience; every sample on which I have tried this has failed either
immediately or very soon after, without exception. My advice it DO
NOT use acids on a bike chain, period.)
>Why would citric not clean chains?
Citric acid is not going to emulsify the grease and carry it off the
chain, and it will etch the metal while it doesn't clean. Citrus
oils, on the other hand, are very good detergents and emulsifiers.
Learn the difference. They are not the same thing.
>The oil in orange peels is aromatic?
At least some of it.
>Why would the pulp contain citric acid and not the peel? A peel - pulp
>barrier?
Why does bone contain large amounts of calcium but not skin? They're
different parts of the structure. Biologic entities have varying
concentrations of the constituent substances that are part of their
makeup; this antientropic nature is part of being something living.
>Do you know Amuzi?
Nope.
>Is this a conspiracy forcing the turkey cooking in
>a less than white microwave?
No, that's due to the inherent variance in surface tension of skin
creams manufactured in Kazakhstan.
>Orange juice from say Tropicana is a boiled, refined product. The
>peels? I'll ask.
>Picking oranges is really brutal labor.
By comparison to sitting in an office chair, all agricultural activity
is brutal labor. So is car repair, carpentry, stonemasonry...the list
is endless. It's all relative.
>The guys doing it are tri
>athlete level monkeys.
Heh. Things must have changed, then.
>What brand citric sprays are used in 'your' neck of the woods?
Same things everybody else in the US can get, pretty much. Thanks to
VoldeMart and their ilk, the "local brand" is nearly gone.
>Any guesses on spray's citric solution concentration? The label?
What are you looking for here? Citric *what*? Acid? Usually none.
Oils? They don't have to say.
>I'm taking a look at the Prestone radiator cleaner: first rate grease
>remover.
Say what??? It used to be oxalic acid, but I suspect it's now citric;
the acid is not for grease or oil removal (if you have any substantial
amount of that in your radiator, you have bigger problems than are
going to eb solved by a rad cleaner) but for removal of carbonate
scale buildup on the inside of the rad tubes. There's a non-sudsing
detergent and emulsifying agent in it as well, which removes the small
amount of oil crud that is usually present...but the acids are there
to remove the corrosion and scale buildup, neither of which are
greasy. I wouldn't use it to clean a chain, period.
>I remember PRC as free of other chemicals know to the State
>of California to produce inedible turkey or chicken as it were.
The State of California causes cancer in lab rats. Don't store it in
your home.
>Park's ?
Same people who make the tools.
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 20:05:03
From: Werehatrack
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:50:36 -0800 (PST), datakoll
<datakoll@yahoo.com > wrote:
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>Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid?
First, if you're asking about Simple Green, it's not citrus-based at
all. In my experience, it's a poor chain cleaner. YMMV.
Second, citrus-based cleaning products use certain of the oils from
the peels, not the acid from the juice. These oils may have a fairly
low pH, but they do not contain citic acid, which is good because
citric acid would be a Bad Thing in a chain cleaner.
Third, if you're specifically asking about Park CB-2 Citrus Chain
Brite, yes it's citrus based but no it does not contain citric acid
(at least, not in an active concentration, if any.)
>as from citrus fruit lemons
>limes oranges ...
My understanding is that the principal source is orange peel, but
that's probably dirven by the fact that the principal citrus
production that generates peels as a waste product is from oranges
processed for juice.
>is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
Some dedicated chain cleaners may be too aggressive at attacking paint
for safe use in a microwave. Several different spray general-purpose
citrus-based cleaners, on the other hand, work well for cleaning *my*
microwave oven. Park states that their CB-2 makes an excellent
all-purpose cleaner. I have not tried it.
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 11:17:22
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Nov 18, 7:30 am, cyclingthi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 17, 3:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> > limes oranges ...
>
> > is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
>
> you know what i have found that works great for the bike. stain
> remover for clothes. it is mild enough so it does not damages the
> finish and is great at removing greasy chains and gears
> carloswww.bikingthings.com
> ride hard, get fit, be happy
easy carlos, srain remiv er is usually nnnnnnnnnnnn hard on the
liver, kidneys and bipbipbipbippnervous system connections
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 10:00:45
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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tinfoil hats.
there is an architectural approach with germanic roots states organic
building materials are best for developing a healthy, natural
relationship with the planet earth and your life on it or as hoped,
with it.
Re rod and concrete are negative to the earthen building material
approach causing reality deformation similar to living near hi tension
wires or transformer stations or in an Airstream.
What do tin foil hats have todo with cleaning the microwave with
Pedro's Best?
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 04:30:25
From:
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Nov 17, 3:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> limes oranges ...
>
> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
you know what i have found that works great for the bike. stain
remover for clothes. it is mild enough so it does not damages the
finish and is great at removing greasy chains and gears
carlos
www.bikingthings.com
ride hard, get fit, be happy
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 14:21:55
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Nov 17, 2:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> limes oranges ...
>
I'd just take the smallest of sips to find out.
> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
I like Mr. Clean classic, diluted 15:1 with tap water in a spray
bottle. Full strength, it's the only thing other than WD40 that can
clean the grease offa my range hood. It's so effective, it's gotta be
made from puppies.
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 13:28:32
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Nov 17, 3:22 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> datakoll wrote:
> > Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> > limes oranges ...
> > is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
>
> Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
> peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure
> it will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
>
Tinfoil beanies putatively block "thought implants" from the evil
Color Institute! ;-)
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 16:17:36
From: still just me
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:28:32 -0800 (PST), Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>> Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
>> peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure
>> it will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
>>
>
>Tinfoil beanies putatively block "thought implants" from the evil
>Color Institute! ;-)
Actually, the tinfoil hats attract and amplify the thought implant
waves. The implanters started that rumor about the hats!
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 15:22:45
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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datakoll wrote:
> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> limes oranges ...
> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure
it will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 17:04:17
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
> datakoll wrote:
>> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
>> limes oranges ...
>> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
>
> Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
> peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure
> it will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
See <http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 16:06:00
From: Jay
Subject: Re: Citric acid chain cleaning fluid
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"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote in message
news:13jumiu2ch24ma5@corp.supernews.com...
> datakoll wrote:
>> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
>> limes oranges ...
>> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
>
> Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
> peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure it
> will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
steps to build your own AFDB:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html
J.
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