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Date: 10 Sep 2007 00:24:30
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Subject: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
spokes.
I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
and likely the last.
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 07:55:12
From: richard
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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Take the bike to a good shop and have the hanger alignment checked. It
sounds to me as if the hanger is bent in toward the wheel just a wee bit.
peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> spokes.
>
> I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
> can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
> derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
> useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
> or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>
> The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
> filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
> cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
> engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
> and likely the last.
>
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 11:49:14
From:
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Sep 13, 8:31 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl > wrote:
> peteymi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Sep 13, 7:33 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
> >> Hank Wirtz wrote:
> >>> On Sep 13, 9:58 am, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
> >>>> I don't know what DIYers is
> >>> DIY = Do It Yourself.
> >> Aha. Then he must be completely blind then ;-).
>
> >> Lou
> >> --
> >> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
>
> > I'm not sure if I've seen a single hardware store in the three years
> > I've been here. Certainly there is no equivalent of Canadian Tire,
> > like they have back home, eh.
>
> Obi, Hornbach come to my mind. I live in the Netherlands near the German
> border and as soon as I cross the border I stumble over a Obi market
> with lots of (stainless steel) M4 bolts.
>
> Lou
> --
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Well, maybe it's just downtown Bremen then. I don't think there are
any hardware stores in the city center--they're all out in the suburbs
which is a long way to go to buy a stupid screw. (But I guess a lot
of Britons travel as far as Amsterdam--ba dum boom...) There are no
Obi's--closest one is in North Bremen. There is a Hornbach, but it's
way out at the airport. Maybe I'll try there...
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 11:25:42
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On Sep 13, 6:58 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl > wrote:
> peteymi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > This is a valid point. If the cogs were any further outboard, this
> > could potentially be a problem. I bought the derailleur new, but who
> > knows how long it had been sitting in the shop. It has the limit
> > screws in the traditional Campy fashion on the outside parallelogram
> > face.
>
> They still do.
>
> > Anyway, thanks all who posted a reply. Although I'm not
> > entirely satisfied with it, I've solved the problem by simply removing
> > the spring.
>
> I hope you used some blue loctite since the spring is there for a reason.
It's screwed in all the way, so it shouldn't be a problem.
>
> > If I can find a longer screw, I will replace it, but
> > Germany is not a country of DIYers, so hardware stores are not that
> > common.
>
> I don't know what DIYers is but I find it very hard to believe you can't
> find a M4 screw in Germany, the centre of the metric system and not a
> third world country ;-).
>
> Lou
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 20:32:10
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 13, 6:58 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>> peteymi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> This is a valid point. If the cogs were any further outboard, this
>>> could potentially be a problem. I bought the derailleur new, but who
>>> knows how long it had been sitting in the shop. It has the limit
>>> screws in the traditional Campy fashion on the outside parallelogram
>>> face.
>> They still do.
>>
>>> Anyway, thanks all who posted a reply. Although I'm not
>>> entirely satisfied with it, I've solved the problem by simply removing
>>> the spring.
>> I hope you used some blue loctite since the spring is there for a reason.
>
> It's screwed in all the way, so it shouldn't be a problem.
I would keep an eye on it and still would use some blue loctite.
Lou
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 11:23:34
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Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Sep 13, 7:33 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl > wrote:
> Hank Wirtz wrote:
> > On Sep 13, 9:58 am, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>
> >> I don't know what DIYers is
>
> > DIY = Do It Yourself.
>
> Aha. Then he must be completely blind then ;-).
>
> Lou
> --
> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
I'm not sure if I've seen a single hardware store in the three years
I've been here. Certainly there is no equivalent of Canadian Tire,
like they have back home, eh.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 20:31:12
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 13, 7:33 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>> Hank Wirtz wrote:
>>> On Sep 13, 9:58 am, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>>>> I don't know what DIYers is
>>> DIY = Do It Yourself.
>> Aha. Then he must be completely blind then ;-).
>>
>> Lou
>> --
>> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
>
> I'm not sure if I've seen a single hardware store in the three years
> I've been here. Certainly there is no equivalent of Canadian Tire,
> like they have back home, eh.
>
Obi, Hornbach come to my mind. I live in the Netherlands near the German
border and as soon as I cross the border I stumble over a Obi market
with lots of (stainless steel) M4 bolts.
Lou
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 10:09:06
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Sep 13, 9:58 am, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl > wrote:
> I don't know what DIYers is
DIY = Do It Yourself.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 19:33:20
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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Hank Wirtz wrote:
> On Sep 13, 9:58 am, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>
>> I don't know what DIYers is
>
> DIY = Do It Yourself.
>
Aha. Then he must be completely blind then ;-).
Lou
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 03:26:19
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Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Sep 13, 6:38 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> > zencycle <zency...@bikerider.com> wrote:
> >> A longer screw from the hardware store will work. I have done this,
> >> and it was actually to modify an old campy victory derailleur to act
> >> as a chain tensioner on a fixed gear (took a number of hours with a
> >> dremel tool, but it works great).
> Paul Kopit wrote:
> > Longer screw sometimes has a problem. The thin screw misses the shelf
> > on the dropout. Although a bother, putting the screw in from the
> > wrong side frequently works. The screw is a bit longer and the screw
> > head fatter so that it hits the indent/shelf.
>
This is a valid point. If the cogs were any further outboard, this
could potentially be a problem. I bought the derailleur new, but who
knows how long it had been sitting in the shop. It has the limit
screws in the traditional Campy fashion on the outside parallelogram
face. Anyway, thanks all who posted a reply. Although I'm not
entirely satisfied with it, I've solved the problem by simply removing
the spring. If I can find a longer screw, I will replace it, but
Germany is not a country of DIYers, so hardware stores are not that
common. I still think there should be more adjustment built in to the
derailleur right from the outset, since, as I point out, there are a
lot of reasons other than having fewer speeds to limit its motion.
Even the fewer speeds argument holds water--suppose you are loaned a
wheel with only seven speeds? There are a lot of people still riding
on good-quality six- and seven- equipment. I still have a set of
wheels sitting at my parents place with Campy Super-Record hubs along
with many good-quality seven-speed freewheels including Sachs, Regina
and Dura-Ace. All of it is still in good shape and works just fine--
why should I throw it away just because the component manufacturers
have decided on some new and arbitrary "standard?"
> Maybe I misread the original description but I thought this was about a
> low gear limit screw on a less-than-Ten cassette. The upper pivot "B"
> screw is found only on 1992~2000 Campagnolo derailleurs. Didn't he say
> it was new? Modern CA tension screws are on the lower pivot.
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 18:58:52
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> This is a valid point. If the cogs were any further outboard, this
> could potentially be a problem. I bought the derailleur new, but who
> knows how long it had been sitting in the shop. It has the limit
> screws in the traditional Campy fashion on the outside parallelogram
> face.
They still do.
> Anyway, thanks all who posted a reply. Although I'm not
> entirely satisfied with it, I've solved the problem by simply removing
> the spring.
I hope you used some blue loctite since the spring is there for a reason.
> If I can find a longer screw, I will replace it, but
> Germany is not a country of DIYers, so hardware stores are not that
> common.
I don't know what DIYers is but I find it very hard to believe you can't
find a M4 screw in Germany, the centre of the metric system and not a
third world country ;-).
Lou
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 14:17:55
From: zencycle
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Sep 10, 3:24 am, peteymi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> spokes.
>
> I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
> can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
> derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
> useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
> or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>
> The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
> filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
> cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
> engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
> and likely the last.
You have to remember they aren't making new products to fit the needs
of old retro-grouches. That said Lou is right on the money. If you try
this sort of think you ca nopt expect it to work, regardless of how
much you spent.
A longer screw from the hardware store will work. I have done this,
and it was actually to modify an old campy victory derailleur to act
as a chain tensioner on a fixed gear (took a number of hours with a
dremel tool, but it works great).
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 03:35:24
From: Paul Kopit
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:17:55 -0000, zencycle <zencycle@bikerider.com >
wrote:
>A longer screw from the hardware store will work. I have done this,
>and it was actually to modify an old campy victory derailleur to act
>as a chain tensioner on a fixed gear (took a number of hours with a
>dremel tool, but it works great).
Longer screw sometimes has a problem. The thin screw misses the shelf
on the dropout. Although a bother, putting the screw in from the
wrong side frequently works. The screw is a bit longer and the screw
head fatter so that it hits the indent/shelf.
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 23:38:23
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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> zencycle <zencycle@bikerider.com> wrote:
>> A longer screw from the hardware store will work. I have done this,
>> and it was actually to modify an old campy victory derailleur to act
>> as a chain tensioner on a fixed gear (took a number of hours with a
>> dremel tool, but it works great).
Paul Kopit wrote:
> Longer screw sometimes has a problem. The thin screw misses the shelf
> on the dropout. Although a bother, putting the screw in from the
> wrong side frequently works. The screw is a bit longer and the screw
> head fatter so that it hits the indent/shelf.
Maybe I misread the original description but I thought this was about a
low gear limit screw on a less-than-Ten cassette. The upper pivot "B"
screw is found only on 1992~2000 Campagnolo derailleurs. Didn't he say
it was new? Modern CA tension screws are on the lower pivot.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 11:02:06
From:
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Sep 10, 3:58 am, M-gineering <ikmotgeens...@m-gineering.nl > wrote:
> peteymi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> > Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> > cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> > marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> > no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> > screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> > spokes.
>
> Back in the old days of 6,7 and 8 speeds they used to include a longer
> stopscrew for just this problem. They won't fit one as standard as
> 99.9999999% of the customers who use the stuff as intended won't
> appreciate the extra sticking out.
> --
> /Marten
>
> info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl
I fitted a 9-speed Campy long-cage Racing T to my 126 mm Woodrup last
year to use with 7-speed clusters. It was an oddyssey, but worth it.
Your post confirms what I had to do.
1. Add 2 mm of spacers to teh axle to get adequate clearance for a 7-
speed Sachs cluster, which is wider than a Suntour 7.
2. make new adjuster screws, since the ones on the 9-speed did not
let the cage see the cogs, just as the OP says.
For the adjusters, I took the Campy screws down to the LHS (local
hardware store, much more useful than my LBSs!) and bought a few that
matched threads in different length, stainless with Phillips pan
heads. I need a few because when fabricating, things can go wrong.
Plus my cat steals whatever drops and kicks it around till she loses
it.
The Campy derailleur has holes into which the bolt head is supposed to
fit, and the LHS screw head is too big. I had to cut down the head
diameter, using a drill and a file to trim it with near-constant
radius. Cut to fit, then deburr the edges.
Then to set the length, so the head compresses the spring as designed
and the correct adjustment is available, This was really just trial
and error until the adjustment was right, and the screw head looked
good nestled in the hole provided by Campy, and the screw tension felt
as original.
But it was worth it! I have a wide range friction shifting triple
setup. With the rigid Campy derailleur and the grabby ARIS cog teeth,
the rear shifting is slick and positive. Who needs indexing?
Ken
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 20:48:25
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> spokes.
>
> I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
> can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
> derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
> useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
> or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>
> The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
> filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
> cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
> engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
> and likely the last.
Totally minor issue. On a modern Campagnolo (or Shimano for that matter-
same screw!) changer running on a 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 speed setup, simply
screw in a longer m4x0.7 screw - under half a buck at any hardware store
or LBS. Usually free for the asking when you buy a derailleur.
Manufacturers are not evil in this case. They just feel a long
protruding screw on a modern Ten bike looks ungainly.
p.s. When replacing a rear changer, ensure the derailleur mount is
aligned vertically using a Campagnolo "R" tool and shift _firmly_ with
your thumb into low gear before riding.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 18:57:22
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> spokes.
>
> I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
> can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
> derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
> useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
> or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>
> The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
> filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
> cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
> engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
> and likely the last.
>
If you use modern stuff with old stuff you must be prepared to this sort
of (minor) problems. It's just a M4 screw. Get a longer one at your
hardware store and stop whining. Crappy RD? A Veloce RD is a really nice
unit for that kind of money.
Lou
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 05:56:54
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Sep 10, 1:24 am, peteymi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> spokes.
Take the screw out, cut the spring in half, reinstall screw and
spring...taaadaaa
>
> I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
> can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
> derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
> useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
> or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>
> The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
> filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
> cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
> engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
> and likely the last.
Whatever blows yer skirt up but a few minutes looking at the problem
and possible solutions, rather than just getting tweaked will solve
much.
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 01:40:37
From:
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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I just had the rear hub twice overhauled in a very short space of
time so I don't want to mess with it, especially since I don't have
access to a workshop. (Both times incompetently, I might add. The
first time the left-hand side bearings came loose which is why I had
it overhauled the second time. The second time it was adjusted too
tight, although I haven't bothered to correct it. Just goes to show
you--if you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself.)
I did take out the spring between the screw and the der. and it
adjusts correctly now--barely: with the screw all the way in. What I
want to do now is put a shim or washer between the derailleur and the
dropout to give me a little extra breathing room. I tried
unsuccessfully to find such a beast on the old mech. I guess I could
also put a washer on the axle--or just get a longer screw!
On Sep 10, 9:46 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > I have Shimano 600 bar end levers. The indexing doesn't work with the
> > Sachs cluster so there was no issue switching from Shimano to
> > Campagnolo. The bike is an older machine with 126 mm rear spacing so
> > I did some creative re-spacing of the eight-speed hub to make it fit
> > in the frame. Thus, the small cog is much closer to the left dropout
> > than normal (so much so that sometimes the chain gets stuck between
> > the frame and cluster on downshifts.)
>
> My guess is that it wouldn't matter if it were a Campy "8" or "9"-speed
> derailleur; the issue is that the Campy derailleur expects to see the cogs
> out a bit further from the frame. I don't think that's a defect, since it
> will probably work fine in any normal environment.
>
> Why not just use a longer axle and spread the frame a bit? If it's an older
> steel frame, that's pretty easy to do.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> <peteymi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189409981.106670.148610@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 10, 9:31 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> > This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> >> > Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> >> > cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> >> > marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> >> > no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> >> > screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> >> > spokes.
>
> >> Whatever the problem is, I don't think it's because you have a 9 vs
> >> 8-speed
> >> derailleur. There is so little difference in width between the two
> >> cassettes
> >> I doubt that a derailleur designed for one wouldn't work with the other,
> >> Campy or Shimano.
>
> >> > I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
> >> > can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
> >> > derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
> >> > useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
> >> > or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>
> >> > The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
> >> > filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
> >> > cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
> >> > engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
> >> > and likely the last.
>
> >> Curious about the rest of your drivetrain, since Shimano & Campy indexed
> >> shifting aren't compatible with each other. Close, but not quite (you can
> >> do
> >> things to make them sorta work). In any event, both Campagnolo and
> >> Shimano
> >> make very nice derailleurs, even their less-expensive models. Most of the
> >> difference, in terms of quality of shifting, comes from using a
> >> higher-end
> >> shift lever, not a higher-end derailleur.
>
> >> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> > I have Shimano 600 bar end levers. The indexing doesn't work with the
> > Sachs cluster so there was no issue switching from Shimano to
> > Campagnolo. The bike is an older machine with 126 mm rear spacing so
> > I did some creative re-spacing of the eight-speed hub to make it fit
> > in the frame. Thus, the small cog is much closer to the left dropout
> > than normal (so much so that sometimes the chain gets stuck between
> > the frame and cluster on downshifts.)
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 18:59:23
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> I just had the rear hub twice overhauled in a very short space of
> time so I don't want to mess with it, especially since I don't have
> access to a workshop. (Both times incompetently, I might add. The
> first time the left-hand side bearings came loose which is why I had
> it overhauled the second time. The second time it was adjusted too
> tight, although I haven't bothered to correct it. Just goes to show
> you--if you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself.)
>
> I did take out the spring between the screw and the der. and it
> adjusts correctly now--barely: with the screw all the way in. What I
> want to do now is put a shim or washer between the derailleur and the
> dropout to give me a little extra breathing room. I tried
> unsuccessfully to find such a beast on the old mech. I guess I could
> also put a washer on the axle--or just get a longer screw!
Indeed just get a longer M4 screw.
Lou
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 09:58:36
From: M-gineering
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> spokes.
>
Back in the old days of 6,7 and 8 speeds they used to include a longer
stopscrew for just this problem. They won't fit one as standard as
99.9999999% of the customers who use the stuff as intended won't
appreciate the extra sticking out.
--
/Marten
info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 00:39:41
From:
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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On Sep 10, 9:31 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> > Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> > cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> > marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> > no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> > screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> > spokes.
>
> Whatever the problem is, I don't think it's because you have a 9 vs 8-speed
> derailleur. There is so little difference in width between the two cassettes
> I doubt that a derailleur designed for one wouldn't work with the other,
> Campy or Shimano.
>
> > I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
> > can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
> > derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
> > useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
> > or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>
> > The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
> > filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
> > cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
> > engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
> > and likely the last.
>
> Curious about the rest of your drivetrain, since Shimano & Campy indexed
> shifting aren't compatible with each other. Close, but not quite (you can do
> things to make them sorta work). In any event, both Campagnolo and Shimano
> make very nice derailleurs, even their less-expensive models. Most of the
> difference, in terms of quality of shifting, comes from using a higher-end
> shift lever, not a higher-end derailleur.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I have Shimano 600 bar end levers. The indexing doesn't work with the
Sachs cluster so there was no issue switching from Shimano to
Campagnolo. The bike is an older machine with 126 mm rear spacing so
I did some creative re-spacing of the eight-speed hub to make it fit
in the frame. Thus, the small cog is much closer to the left dropout
than normal (so much so that sometimes the chain gets stuck between
the frame and cluster on downshifts.)
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 13:06:44
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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peteymills@hotmail.com writes:
>> The bike is an older machine with 126 mm rear spacing so I did some
creative re-spacing of the eight-speed hub to make it fit in the
frame. <<
It strikes me that your large cog is simply too close to the
derailleur, after this "creative re-spacing". I think this problem
can happen with absolutely any derailleur - if you restrict the number
of cogs, moving the large sprocket closer to the derailleur - at some
point the screw will bottom out and you'll need a longer screw.
So you just need a longer M4 (M3? M2?) screw for the derailleur and
you'll be "good to go". It's a $0.50 item, you know ...
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 07:46:34
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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> I have Shimano 600 bar end levers. The indexing doesn't work with the
> Sachs cluster so there was no issue switching from Shimano to
> Campagnolo. The bike is an older machine with 126 mm rear spacing so
> I did some creative re-spacing of the eight-speed hub to make it fit
> in the frame. Thus, the small cog is much closer to the left dropout
> than normal (so much so that sometimes the chain gets stuck between
> the frame and cluster on downshifts.)
My guess is that it wouldn't matter if it were a Campy "8" or "9"-speed
derailleur; the issue is that the Campy derailleur expects to see the cogs
out a bit further from the frame. I don't think that's a defect, since it
will probably work fine in any normal environment.
Why not just use a longer axle and spread the frame a bit? If it's an older
steel frame, that's pretty easy to do.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
<peteymills@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189409981.106670.148610@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 10, 9:31 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> > This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
>> > Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
>> > cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
>> > marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
>> > no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
>> > screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
>> > spokes.
>>
>> Whatever the problem is, I don't think it's because you have a 9 vs
>> 8-speed
>> derailleur. There is so little difference in width between the two
>> cassettes
>> I doubt that a derailleur designed for one wouldn't work with the other,
>> Campy or Shimano.
>>
>> > I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
>> > can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
>> > derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
>> > useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
>> > or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>>
>> > The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
>> > filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
>> > cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
>> > engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
>> > and likely the last.
>>
>> Curious about the rest of your drivetrain, since Shimano & Campy indexed
>> shifting aren't compatible with each other. Close, but not quite (you can
>> do
>> things to make them sorta work). In any event, both Campagnolo and
>> Shimano
>> make very nice derailleurs, even their less-expensive models. Most of the
>> difference, in terms of quality of shifting, comes from using a
>> higher-end
>> shift lever, not a higher-end derailleur.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> I have Shimano 600 bar end levers. The indexing doesn't work with the
> Sachs cluster so there was no issue switching from Shimano to
> Campagnolo. The bike is an older machine with 126 mm rear spacing so
> I did some creative re-spacing of the eight-speed hub to make it fit
> in the frame. Thus, the small cog is much closer to the left dropout
> than normal (so much so that sometimes the chain gets stuck between
> the frame and cluster on downshifts.)
>
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 07:31:18
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Crappy Campagnolo derailleur
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> This post is mostly a gripe. I just bought a brand new Campagnolo
> Veloce long-cage rear derailleur to replace the somewhat worn and bent
> cheap-ass Shimano SIS mech I had on the machine. The new unit is
> marked as a nine-speed--I have an eight, so I figured there should be
> no problem. Well, there was--the low adjustment screw cannot be
> screwed in sufficiently to prevent the derailleur from going into the
> spokes.
Whatever the problem is, I don't think it's because you have a 9 vs 8-speed
derailleur. There is so little difference in width between the two cassettes
I doubt that a derailleur designed for one wouldn't work with the other,
Campy or Shimano.
> I have never had this problem with any other rear mech--most of which
> can be adjusted for any number of speeds, including none--the
> derailleur is fixed in place! Such a large range of adjustment is
> useful for other reasons--sometimes you want to lock out certain gears
> or if the cable breaks to move the chain to a larger cog.
>
> The really stupid thing (on my part, that is) is that I've already
> filed off the name-plates to make it less attractive to theives so I
> cannot return it. All the same, for this price, I expect better
> engineering. This is the first Campagnolo derailleur I've ever bought
> and likely the last.
Curious about the rest of your drivetrain, since Shimano & Campy indexed
shifting aren't compatible with each other. Close, but not quite (you can do
things to make them sorta work). In any event, both Campagnolo and Shimano
make very nice derailleurs, even their less-expensive models. Most of the
difference, in terms of quality of shifting, comes from using a higher-end
shift lever, not a higher-end derailleur.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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