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Date: 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
$1300!!!
Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-
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Date: 02 Oct 2007 04:33:13
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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jim beam wrote:
>
> Jambo wrote:
> >>
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>>
> >>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
> >>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>
> > Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>
> > Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>
> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
Nope, try again. But I do have to take credit for the prurient tack
this conversation has taken, because I brought up the boner-promoting
aspect of expensive plastic parts.
Chalo
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Date: 01 Oct 2007 21:52:24
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Chalo wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Jambo wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
>>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
>
> Nope, try again.
whoops, ok. sorry.
> But I do have to take credit for the prurient tack
> this conversation has taken, because I brought up the boner-promoting
> aspect of expensive plastic parts.
>
> Chalo
>
life's tough.
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Date: 02 Oct 2007 22:17:53
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
news:rrGdnTXYgoEUU5zanZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> Chalo wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Jambo wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>>>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>>> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
>>
>> Nope, try again.
>
> whoops, ok. sorry.
Caught in another lie, beamboy.
> life's tough.
You can tell us about it, but rather you didn't. Sad story of old guy like
you paying for female companionship is tragic enough...
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Date: 02 Oct 2007 20:51:34
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Jambo wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:rrGdnTXYgoEUU5zanZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Jambo wrote:
>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>>>>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>>>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>>>> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
>>> Nope, try again.
>> whoops, ok. sorry.
>
> Caught in another lie, beamboy.
>
>> life's tough.
>
> You can tell us about it, but rather you didn't. Sad story of old guy like
> you paying for female companionship is tragic enough...
>
>
quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if
you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]fucking moron.
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 10:46:16
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
news:FoidnXwZ2pNbjJ7anZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> Jambo wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:rrGdnTXYgoEUU5zanZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> Jambo wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>>>>> chick in
>>>>>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>>>>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>>>>> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
>>>> Nope, try again.
>>> whoops, ok. sorry.
>>
>> Caught in another lie, beamboy.
>>
>>> life's tough.
>>
>> You can tell us about it, but rather you didn't. Sad story of old guy
>> like you paying for female companionship is tragic enough...
>
> quoth the dateless moron.
Fraudulent lying tard has been caught in a lie (again) and now tries to
rationalize it...
> /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if you count mortgages, cars,
> clothes, baubles, etc.
Not interested in your sad life experiences, lying fraudtard.
> and when they reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word.
Not interested in your sad bastard kids either.
> but you wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]fucking
> moron.
Damn right you're right. I've never looked at women as "chicks", never
looked at them as costs, and never thought that only women reproduced (they
can't do that by themselves, beamboy). Come to think of it, never needed to
employ hookers for female companionship, either.
C'mon beamboy, you know you were talking about hookers, they're the only
female companionship you can get. Sad that in your old age, this is the
only way you can get it.
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 02:48:06
From: Ben C
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On 2007-10-03, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
[...]
> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if
> you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]fucking moron.
Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 14:37:24
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if
>> you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
>> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
>> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]fucking moron.
Ben C wrote:
> Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?
There are plenty around:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/ITALGIRL.JPG
When talking with a woman in California, noting her name, I asked if she
was also Italian. She slowly replied "I married one. . . ".
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 18:41:40
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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A Muzi wrote:
>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money
>>> if you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
>>> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
>>> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]fucking moron.
>
> Ben C wrote:
>> Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?
>
> There are plenty around:
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/ITALGIRL.JPG
>
> When talking with a woman in California, noting her name, I asked if she
> was also Italian. She slowly replied "I married one. . . ".
was that a problem for you?
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 23:32:41
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
news:euednTmT9bZIepvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>A Muzi wrote:
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money
>>>> if you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
>>>> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
>>>> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]fucking moron.
>>
>> Ben C wrote:
>>> Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?
>>
>> There are plenty around:
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/ITALGIRL.JPG
>>
>> When talking with a woman in California, noting her name, I asked if she
>> was also Italian. She slowly replied "I married one. . . ".
>
> was that a problem for you?
Obviously it was for you, beamboy.
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 10:47:40
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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"Ben C" <spamspam@spam.eggs > wrote in message
news:slrnfg6ib5.5mj.spamspam@bowser.marioworld...
> On 2007-10-03, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if
>> you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
>> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
>> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]fucking moron.
>
> Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?
Nah, Italians don't generally reside in trailer parks.
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Date: 30 Sep 2007 09:15:41
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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jim beam wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > So the advantage [of] these $1300 plastic cranks over
> > a $400 set of hollow forged aluminum cranks, or $150 welded steel
> > cranks, or $30 cast aluminum cranks, or $10 one-piece cranks is what,
> > exactly? Remember that the suppository saddle that goes with these
> > cranks will kill whatever boner you would have gotten from your hawt
> > plastic bling, so that doesn't count.
>
> my "suppository" sella italia slr saddle is actually a good deal more
> comfortable than my other s.i. flites [plain, trans-am & gel], my wtb,
> my vetta, or other sundry oddities.
I've never had the bone spacing or the body weight to make do with
racy saddles, even when that meant Selle Italia Turbo or Selle San
Marco Rolls. But I have watched many of my friends heap one thousand
curses on the skinny things that came with their bikes. I was working
in bike shops during the age of the original Flite, and the consensus
on that seemed to be "not as bad as it looks". To me it looked like a
practical joke, though.
> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
Not me specifically (neither my budget nor my wife is that
accommodating), but you have a point there.
Chalo
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Date: 01 Oct 2007 10:51:30
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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> jim beam wrote:
>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
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Date: 01 Oct 2007 20:58:47
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Jambo wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>
> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>
> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>
>
>
er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me. but you snipped
the attribution because you wanted to bullshit. and because you're a moron.
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Date: 02 Oct 2007 22:16:18
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER-
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
news:QNydnSmbmvdqXJzanZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> Jambo wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>>
>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>
>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me. but you snipped the
> attribution because you wanted to bullshit. and because you're a moron.
Nah, the whole concept of blowing $1300 "on a chick in just one weekend" is
all your statement, beamboy. It's sad that in your old age, the only
companionship you can have is one you have to pay for... but then that's
what you get for being a fraud and a liar, I guess.....
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 21:39:11
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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jim beam wrote:
>
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
> >
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
> >
> > $1300!!!
> >
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?
OK, where to start...
"Lasts for years". Cranks, last I checked, were tied with pedals for
the most likely bike parts to suffer significant surface damage. So
the odds of a CFRP crank to last for years of regular use without a
gash, ding, or deep scratch are pretty slim. And once gashed, dinged,
or deeply scratched, you know as well as any of us that a carbon-
plastic crank is an accident waiting to happen.
"Keeps you fit". So the advantage if these $1300 plastic cranks over
a $400 set of hollow forged aluminum cranks, or $150 welded steel
cranks, or $30 cast aluminum cranks, or $10 one-piece cranks is what,
exactly? Remember that the suppository saddle that goes with these
cranks will kill whatever boner you would have gotten from your hawt
plastic bling, so that doesn't count.
Chalo
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 19:44:03
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Chalo wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>
>>> $1300!!!
>>>
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
>> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>>
>> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?
>
> OK, where to start...
>
> "Lasts for years". Cranks, last I checked, were tied with pedals for
> the most likely bike parts to suffer significant surface damage. So
> the odds of a CFRP crank to last for years of regular use without a
> gash, ding, or deep scratch are pretty slim. And once gashed, dinged,
> or deeply scratched, you know as well as any of us that a carbon-
> plastic crank is an accident waiting to happen.
but paradoxically, it's not a fatigue initiation nightmare like it is
for aluminum. disruption of the outer surface layers can lead to
delamination and other composite badness, but not necessarily. and most
"carbon" cranks are actually aluminum with a thin [cosmetic?] carbon skin.
>
> "Keeps you fit". So the advantage if these $1300 plastic cranks over
> a $400 set of hollow forged aluminum cranks, or $150 welded steel
> cranks, or $30 cast aluminum cranks, or $10 one-piece cranks is what,
> exactly? Remember that the suppository saddle that goes with these
> cranks will kill whatever boner you would have gotten from your hawt
> plastic bling, so that doesn't count.
>
> Chalo
>
my "suppository" sella italia slr saddle is actually a good deal more
comfortable than my other s.i. flites [plain, trans-am & gel], my wtb,
my vetta, or other sundry oddities.
but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
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Date: 01 Oct 2007 15:15:19
From: renum
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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jim beam wrote:
> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
Not even a buoyant infection of VD?
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 10:08:52
From:
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> > $1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit? when
> the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
> going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
> manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
> whine about...
"$1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?"
I thought there were some who managed to keep fit with the regular old
forged cranks. That guy in Austin, Texas comes to mind.
Smokey
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 09:23:35
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Sep 29, 11:17 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> >>>http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
> >>> $1300!!!
> >>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> >>> shimano-
> >> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>
> > Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
> > $1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.
>
> >> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> >> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years
>
> > How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
> > far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
> > supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.
>
> eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?
When parts are no longer available because Shimano has "walked away".
Octalink BBs are the latest example.
>
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 09:34:08
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Sep 29, 11:17 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>>>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>>> $1300!!!
>>>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>>>> shimano-
>>>> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>>> Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
>>> $1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.
>>>> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>>>> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years
>>> How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
>>> far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
>>> supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.
>> eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?
>
> When parts are no longer available because Shimano has "walked away".
> Octalink BBs are the latest example.
>
>
eh? walked away??? from 09/11/2007 11:29 PM, we read mike
jacoubowsky's post titled: "Shimano Octalink road BB future" from which
we learn that: "for a good many years they will continue to manufacture
and supply '105 and DuraAce versions".
how is that "walked away"? do you know other facts to the contrary? is
mike bullshitting? or are you merely voicing supposition?
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 09:12:04
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> > $1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
$1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.
> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years
How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.
> and keeps you fit?
Will constantly emptying the wallet on bling keep ya fit?
>when
> the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
> going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
> manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
> whine about...
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 09:17:24
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>>
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>> $1300!!!
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
>> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>
> Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
> $1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.
>
>
>> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>>
>> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years
>
> How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
> far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
> supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.
eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?
>
>> and keeps you fit?
>
>
> Will constantly emptying the wallet on bling keep ya fit?
>
>
>> when
>> the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
>> going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
>> manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
>> whine about...
>
>
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 09:03:08
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> $1300!!!
>
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> shimano-
>
you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
$1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit? when
the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
whine about...
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Date: 30 Sep 2007 10:44:47
From: Luke
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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In article <g96dnY9VqbCg6mPbnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@speakeasy.net >, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> > http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
> >
> > $1300!!!
> >
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
> >
>
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?
<snip >
Cranks don't keep you fit, activity does. Pedalling a crankset 1/20th
the cost is just as effective.
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Date: 30 Sep 2007 17:00:46
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Luke wrote:
> In article <g96dnY9VqbCg6mPbnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@speakeasy.net>, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>
>>> $1300!!!
>>>
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
>>>
>> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>>
>> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?
>
> <snip>
>
> Cranks don't keep you fit, activity does. Pedalling a crankset 1/20th
> the cost is just as effective.
He meant comparing with spending 100k on a car or something.
Lou
--
Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 08:32:54
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Sep 29, 4:08 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> > $1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> That makes me hope they fail to recover the cost of their tooling.
> But somehow I think they might find enough other willing tools out
> there to crank out a profit.
>
> Chalo
Remember: Profit = turns x margin. At those margins, a healthy profit
is assured Shimano.
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 05:27:11
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Sep 28, 8:06 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 28, 7:53 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> > $1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> I'm more pleased by both the modern green and the old fashioned
> utility bikes intended to mobilize people in the third world. When you
> see such a simple machine and understand how liberating it will be for
> the recipient and that you can get ten of them for the price of those
> ridiculous cranks--that sort of puts this whole bike riding thing into
> perspective.
How about just a bike, any bike, that can be had and ridden for
decades that cost 1/2 or so of these cranksa. I thought $1000 for Zipp
cranks was outlandish...so a DA electronic group, with Carbon cranks
and DA carbon wheels...priceless, almost literally.
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 09:08:44
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>
> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> $1300!!!
>
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> shimano-
That makes me hope they fail to recover the cost of their tooling.
But somehow I think they might find enough other willing tools out
there to crank out a profit.
Chalo
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 19:16:10
From: Scott Gordo
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>
> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> >$1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> >shimano-
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
> $1 thrift store bike bell
> -------
> $23,301 *
>
> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
I'll take two.
/s
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 13:23:03
From:
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:16:10 -0000, Scott Gordo
<blubberpuss@gmail.com > wrote:
>On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>>
>> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>
>> >$1300!!!
>>
>> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>> >shimano-
>>
>> Dear Peter,
>>
>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>> -------
>> $23,301 *
>>
>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>I'll take two.
>
>/s
Dear Scott,
Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.
In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.
Would you like three?
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 22:13:46
From: M-gineering
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:16:10 -0000, Scott Gordo
> <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>>>
>>> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>> $1300!!!
>>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>>> shimano-
>>> Dear Peter,
>>>
>>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>>> -------
>>> $23,301 *
>>>
>>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Carl Fogel
>> I'll take two.
>>
>> /s
>
> Dear Scott,
>
> Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.
>
> In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
> bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.
>
> Would you like three?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
Dear Carl.
You might want to revise that surcharge of only 25%. If your customer
buys a bike, the unsold bikes increase in rarity and value will increase
correspondently. Your pricing should reflect that ;)
--
/Marten
info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 15:47:46
From:
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:13:46 +0200, M-gineering
<ikmotgeenspam@m-gineering.nl > wrote:
>carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:16:10 -0000, Scott Gordo
>> <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>>>>
>>>> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>>> $1300!!!
>>>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>>>> shimano-
>>>> Dear Peter,
>>>>
>>>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>>>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>>>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>>>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>>>> -------
>>>> $23,301 *
>>>>
>>>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>>>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Carl Fogel
>>> I'll take two.
>>>
>>> /s
>>
>> Dear Scott,
>>
>> Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.
>>
>> In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
>> bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.
>>
>> Would you like three?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Dear Carl.
>You might want to revise that surcharge of only 25%. If your customer
>buys a bike, the unsold bikes increase in rarity and value will increase
>correspondently. Your pricing should reflect that ;)
Dear Marten,
We regret to inform our valued customers that increased costs
associated with customer inquiries forces us to charge an additional
12.3% for internet access and clerical overhead.
Please remember that our secretary's tip jar is a vital part of her
retirement plan.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 11:41:58
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Sep 28, 1:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>
> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> >$1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> >shimano-
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
> $1 thrift store bike bell
> -------
> $23,301 *
>
> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 18:30:22
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>> $1300!!!
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
> carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>> -------
>> $23,301 *
>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
> mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
> the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
> crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
> bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
> clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
> rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?
A good bike mechanic just says "yes, sir" and dives right in.
We're inured to the merely pointless. Impossible can add a few hours.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 13:18:15
From:
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:41:58 -0700, "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<russellseaton1@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Sep 28, 1:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>>
>> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>
>> >$1300!!!
>>
>> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>> >shimano-
>>
>> Dear Peter,
>>
>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>> -------
>> $23,301 *
>>
>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
>mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
>the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
>crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
>bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
>clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
>rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?
Dear Russell,
That's why assembly is extra and unspecified--imagine the cost of
fitting all those silly, overpriced parts together.
And imagine the owner explaining how much faster they made him!
Why, we might have to include a salary for a "spin" consultant in the
budget in order to explain the tremendous advantage of the "10%
stiffer" crank, the "damage isolation" of the carbon frame, and the
"special layups for specific rider weights and characteristics" of the
wheels.
A new shade of red is rumored to be available in late 2008, capable of
increasing the speed of financial extraction from wallets by 0.3% in
actual cash register tests.
A $3.99 wicker basket can be attached to the handlebar to reduce the
carbon footprint.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 12:02:28
From:
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote:
>http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
>$1300!!!
>
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>shimano-
Dear Peter,
$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *
* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 18:24:39
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>> $1300!!!
>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>> shimano-
carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
> $1 thrift store bike bell
> -------
> $23,301 *
> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
Can I use the "Buy 2 bikes get a free car rack" coupon?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 19:15:25
From:
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:24:39 -0500, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org >
wrote:
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>> $1300!!!
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
>
>carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>> -------
>> $23,301 *
>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>
>Can I use the "Buy 2 bikes get a free car rack" coupon?
Dear Andrew,
Regrettably, we cannot honor coupons from other companies.
However, we are pleased to offer a discount to the trade, so a
two-ounce bottle of Phil Wood bike-bell chime-grease can be added to
your order for only $15.95 instead of the usual $19.95.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 14:06:05
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Da carbon crank-YOWSER
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On Sep 28, 7:53 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> $1300!!!
>
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> shimano-
I'm more pleased by both the modern green and the old fashioned
utility bikes intended to mobilize people in the third world. When you
see such a simple machine and understand how liberating it will be for
the recipient and that you can get ten of them for the price of those
ridiculous cranks--that sort of puts this whole bike riding thing into
perspective.
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