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Date: 08 Nov 2007 10:44:24
From: Julius Chen
Subject: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
warped.
Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
clearance between pad and the disc?
I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 12:56:04
From: Joe Riel
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net > writes:
> Consider trying Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the
> entire thread with a single command.
What command is that? I use Gnus...
--
Joe Riel
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 09:56:21
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On Nov 11, 10:51 am, "BobT" <RobertLeeTaylor...@THISSuddenLink.net >
wrote:
> "Julius Chen" <julc...@cisco.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194547464.936990@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com...>I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
> >disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
> >disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
> >warped.
>
> > Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
> > Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
> > will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
> > clearance between pad and the disc?
>
> > I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
> > one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
>
> I do not understand all the hugely negative backlash about a Wal-Mart bike
> especially with almost no attempt to answer your question.
>
> First, your question: On an inexpensive bike, rim brakes are probably
> going to be easier to maintain and less troublesome than disc brakes.
>
> Next, comments about disrespecting inexpensive bikes, Wal-Mart, and China:
>
> Just because you may have spent more than $150-250 to buy the saddle for
> your bike does not mean that no one wants a Wal-Mart bike. Would Mr. Chen
> get a better bike for $1,000 at a local bike shop? -- Of course he would,
> but not everyone has the extra money. Perhaps some should apologize to Mr.
> Chen. I think the suggestions to look for a better quality, used bike are
> excellent.
>
> Those of you that think made in China is synonymous with junk (for example,
> "My main issue with Wal-Mart stuff is it is mostly made in China, or worse.
> Can you imagine?"), might be surprised to know how many parts of your high
> end bicycles are from China or other emerging market nations. For example,
> my very high quality Schwalbe "German" touring tires are made by CST/Cheng
> Shin in Taiwan.
>
> Wal-Mart is extremely successful. Despite all of the negative publicity in
> recent years, many, many people continue to shop there because of "everyday
> low prices". The globalization of the economy is a matter of fact today.
> This allows people in the U.S.A. access to many inexpensive, high quality
> products from China and many other countries. This raises our standard of
> living. Are there any negative effects? Of course, but industrialized
> nations and their people are going to have to compete on a leveled playing
> field with the rest of the world whether they like it or not.
>
> "Jay" <jbol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:BfCdnQUmpujVJK7anZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> <Most Americans who buy from Wal-Mart simply do not understand the New World
> <Order (aka NAFTA): They are unknowingly cutting their neighbor's throat.
>
> If Joe Smith in Peoria makes a better and/or less expensive mouse trap than
> Bill Jones in Dallas, Joe will sell more mouse traps than Bill. This is
> not "cutting their neighbor's throat". This is free market capitalism and
> is what makes the U.S.A. great. So what if Joe lives in Toronto, Hong Kong,
> or Oaxaca rather than Peoria.
>
> Incidentally, the first two letters in NAFTA stand for North American and it
> has no bearing on trade with China.
>
> BobT
1) WalMart has already been on the receiving end of several lawsuits
because of the shoddy quick release skewers attached to their bikes.
Disc brakes obviously aren't going to make that situation any better.
Unless you have some interest in being a future toothless plaintiff,
it's probably best to steer clear.
2) This isn't about a better and/or less expensive mouse trap. It's
about an inferiorly designed mouse trap with a shiny paint job.
WalMart deals in perceived value. They could be selling perfectly
usefull bikes at $200, but instead they emphasize expensive looking
"features" like full suspensions and disc brakes and one size fits
all. People will buy them only because they don't realize that having
reliable components and twenty fewer pounds of bike weight to pedal
around might be more important than what the bike looks like.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 09:25:01
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On Nov 11, 11:24 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net > wrote:
> E-mail is not Usenet. The convention on Usenet is what it is because it
> is a public discussion. This convention was developed through trial and
> error. It is appropriate and necessary to educate newbies and
> intransigent non-newbies as to why top posting is inappropriate in this
> type of discussion.
Bottom posting makes sense when you are editing out the content of
previous posts, otherwise it doesn't- if you are going to leave the
entire thread history in the post you might as well top post. Because
of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is easily reviewed
by anyone- there is no need to repeat it in the post, but people do it
anyway, and then you have to navigate your way through all the
detritus to find the new content.
> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because it makes
> more logical sense to the flow of the conversation using languages that
> read from top to bottom.
Your colleagues must think you are nuts.
> Top posting is symptomatic of a mind
> insufficiently attentive to critical thinking, in my opinion.
Ridiculous. When a group of people have been collaborating in an email
thread, they top post so that everyone involved can read the latest
input without having to scroll down through everything that has been
previously written. If for some reason someone new must be brought
into the thread they can catch up from the bottom.
> When I
> use Emacs/Gnus for my newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do
> this automagically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is not
> relevant.
> That's been the standard for the entire history of e-mail and Usenet,
> developed through trial and error and the application of logic. That
> modern users are often lazy and lack critical analysis and reasoning
> skills is no reason to change best practices.
It is NOT best practice for email in a work setting and I have never
seen anyone who uses it there.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 13:49:52
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Nov 11, 11:24 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> E-mail is not Usenet. The convention on Usenet is what it is
>> because it is a public discussion. This convention was developed
>> through trial and error. It is appropriate and necessary to
>> educate newbies and intransigent non-newbies as to why top posting
>> is inappropriate in this type of discussion.
>
> Bottom posting makes sense when you are editing out the content of
> previous posts, otherwise it doesn't- if you are going to leave the
> entire thread history in the post you might as well top post. Because
> of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is easily
> reviewed by anyone- there is no need to repeat it in the post, but
> people do it anyway, and then you have to navigate your way through
> all the detritus to find the new content.
It's not precisely bottom posting- it's inter-posting. That's what you
did in response to my post and I am doing here- your comments and mine
are responses to and logically related to the preceding quoted material.
This makes for (1) rapid reading and comprehension, (2) shorter posts
that are less dross and more content, (3) better logical flow to the
conversation.
>> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because it
>> makes more logical sense to the flow of the conversation using
>> languages that read from top to bottom.
>
> Your colleagues must think you are nuts.
Possibly, but that would be for other reasons (e.g., brevets, bike tours
in the Alps, etc.). After a few e-mail exchanges the generally adopt
the proper style without any prompting. However, given my line of work,
my coworkers tend to be of significantly above average intelligence and
verbal ability. I've never worked in a "normal" corporate environment
so I don't have that comparison.
>> Top posting is symptomatic of a mind insufficiently attentive to
>> critical thinking, in my opinion.
>
> Ridiculous. When a group of people have been collaborating in an
> email thread, they top post so that everyone involved can read the
> latest input without having to scroll down through everything that
> has been previously written. If for some reason someone new must be
> brought into the thread they can catch up from the bottom.
The problem with that style is that the "latest input" will tend to be
poorly related to the specific information previously discussed, leaving
the reader to guess which prior paragraph the new comments relate to.
It results in informational hash rather than an intelligent and
effective conversation.
>> When I use Emacs/Gnus for my newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify"
>> commands do this automagically. I also trim out the extraneous
>> text which is not relevant.
>
>> That's been the standard for the entire history of e-mail and
>> Usenet, developed through trial and error and the application of
>> logic. That modern users are often lazy and lack critical analysis
>> and reasoning skills is no reason to change best practices.
>
> It is NOT best practice for email in a work setting and I have never
> seen anyone who uses it there.
My condolences.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 18:36:24
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On 2007-11-11,
SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net > wrote:
> Because
> of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is easily reviewed
> by anyone
No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided an easy way
to retrieve a message that was marked as read in an earlier session. I
can follow the thread of everything that was unread at the start of my
session easily enough, but going back and looking at previously-read
posts is downright painful. I could always paste the message ID into
Google Groups, but when I do so I often find that the message hasn't
propagated to there yet.
In fact, because of the quirks of article propagation, it's entirely
possible for your reply to reach my news server before the message that
you replied to. The best newsereader in the world won't let you see a
message that's not there yet.
I'm sure there are newsreaders out there that let you view the thread
history back past the beginning of the current session. It's an obvious
feature that I'd like to have. But it isn't the norm.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 13:57:37
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Steve Gravrock wrote:
> On 2007-11-11, SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net
> <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Because of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is
>> easily reviewed by anyone
>
> No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided an easy
> way to retrieve a message that was marked as read in an earlier
> session. I can follow the thread of everything that was unread at the
> start of my session easily enough, but going back and looking at
> previously-read posts is downright painful. I could always paste the
> message ID into Google Groups, but when I do so I often find that the
> message hasn't propagated to there yet.
Bummer than slrn doesn't have this capability. Consider trying
Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the entire thread with a
single command. It's very convenient. Or MT-Newswatcher, for that
matter, but you'd need to be using a Mac for that (it also only fetches
by reference, though, so you can miss branches of the tree). I have
been using Thunderbird for a couple of weeks on my Mac, and have been
annoyed that it lacks this capacity.
Since you appear to be running NetBSD (good choice BTW), you might
consider running leafnode, which would possibly mack searching back up
the thread more convenient- albeit at the cost of disk space.
> In fact, because of the quirks of article propagation, it's entirely
> possible for your reply to reach my news server before the message
> that you replied to. The best newsereader in the world won't let you
> see a message that's not there yet.
>
> I'm sure there are newsreaders out there that let you view the thread
> history back past the beginning of the current session. It's an
> obvious feature that I'd like to have. But it isn't the norm.
But it's also not terribly uncommon.
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 06:59:48
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On 2007-11-11, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote:
> Bummer than slrn doesn't have this capability. Consider trying
> Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the entire thread with a
> single command. It's very convenient. Or MT-Newswatcher, for that
> matter, but you'd need to be using a Mac for that (it also only fetches
> by reference, though, so you can miss branches of the tree). I have
> been using Thunderbird for a couple of weeks on my Mac, and have been
> annoyed that it lacks this capacity.
>
> Since you appear to be running NetBSD (good choice BTW), you might
> consider running leafnode, which would possibly mack searching back up
> the thread more convenient- albeit at the cost of disk space.
Actually I am on a Mac, although I read news on a NetBSD shell account. I
tried MT-Newswatcher some time back and although it worked fine I had a
hard time getting used to the user interface. I think I've been using
keyboard-driven newsreaders for a little too long.
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 01:29:02
From: Mark Shroyer
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On 2007-11-11, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote:
> Steve Gravrock wrote:
>> On 2007-11-11, SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net
>> <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Because of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is
>>> easily reviewed by anyone
>>
>> No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided an
>> easy way to retrieve a message that was marked as read in an
>> earlier session. I can follow the thread of everything that was
>> unread at the start of my session easily enough, but going back
>> and looking at previously-read posts is downright painful. I
>> could always paste the message ID into Google Groups, but when I
>> do so I often find that the message hasn't propagated to there
>> yet.
>
> Bummer than slrn doesn't have this capability. Consider trying
> Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the entire thread
> with a single command. It's very convenient. Or MT-Newswatcher,
> for that matter, but you'd need to be using a Mac for that (it
> also only fetches by reference, though, so you can miss branches
> of the tree). I have been using Thunderbird for a couple of weeks
> on my Mac, and have been annoyed that it lacks this capacity.
Actually, slrn does provide this ability... Type ESC p to fetch the
parent of the current article, or ESC ^-p to fetch all children. Or
am I misunderstanding you?
--
Mark Shroyer
http://markshroyer.com/
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Date: 13 Nov 2007 20:23:38
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Mark Shroyer wrote:
> On 2007-11-11, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> Steve Gravrock wrote:
>>> On 2007-11-11, SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net
>>> <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Because of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is
>>>> easily reviewed by anyone
>>>
>>> No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided an
>>> easy way to retrieve a message that was marked as read in an
>>> earlier session. I can follow the thread of everything that was
>>> unread at the start of my session easily enough, but going back
>>> and looking at previously-read posts is downright painful. I
>>> could always paste the message ID into Google Groups, but when I
>>> do so I often find that the message hasn't propagated to there
>>> yet.
>>
>> Bummer than slrn doesn't have this capability. Consider trying
>> Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the entire thread
>> with a single command. It's very convenient. Or MT-Newswatcher,
>> for that matter, but you'd need to be using a Mac for that (it also
>> only fetches by reference, though, so you can miss branches of the
>> tree). I have been using Thunderbird for a couple of weeks on my
>> Mac, and have been annoyed that it lacks this capacity.
>
> Actually, slrn does provide this ability... Type ESC p to fetch the
> parent of the current article, or ESC ^-p to fetch all children. Or
> am I misunderstanding you?
Maybe. As I understood Steve's post, slrn won't fetch all of the
preceeding articles in the thread (I've never used slrn for more than a
few minutes). Gnus can do this and MT-NewsWatcher can fetch all
preceding articles related through the References header, and as far as
I know there are other newsreaders that can do this too.
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 20:41:29
From: Andrew Price
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:23:38 -0600, Tim McNamara
<timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote:
>Maybe. As I understood Steve's post, slrn won't fetch all of the
>preceeding articles in the thread (I've never used slrn for more than a
>few minutes). Gnus can do this and MT-NewsWatcher can fetch all
>preceding articles related through the References header, and as far as
>I know there are other newsreaders that can do this too.
Yes, Agent can do that, too.
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 04:26:05
From: Mark Shroyer
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On 2007-11-14, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote:
>> Actually, slrn does provide this ability... Type ESC p to fetch
>> the parent of the current article, or ESC ^-p to fetch all
>> children. Or am I misunderstanding you?
>
> Maybe. As I understood Steve's post, slrn won't fetch all of the
> preceeding articles in the thread (I've never used slrn for more
> than a few minutes). Gnus can do this and MT-NewsWatcher can
> fetch all preceding articles related through the References
> header, and as far as I know there are other newsreaders that can
> do this too.
Actually yeah, you're right. I would have sworn that ESC ^-p
fetches all articles from the thread, but I just tried it, and in
fact it only fetches the children of the *current* article. So in
slrn, you'd have to press ESC p ESC p [...] ESC ^-p to get the whole
thread... ugh.
On the other hand, as long as people are careful to correctly quote
and bottom-post, I rarely feel the need to fetch the entire thread
in the first place ;)
--
Mark Shroyer
http://markshroyer.com/
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 06:47:20
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On 2007-11-14, Mark Shroyer <usenet-mail@markshroyer.com > wrote:
> On 2007-11-14, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>>> Actually, slrn does provide this ability... Type ESC p to fetch
>>> the parent of the current article, or ESC ^-p to fetch all
>>> children. Or am I misunderstanding you?
>>
>> Maybe. As I understood Steve's post, slrn won't fetch all of the
>> preceeding articles in the thread (I've never used slrn for more
>> than a few minutes). Gnus can do this and MT-NewsWatcher can
>> fetch all preceding articles related through the References
>> header, and as far as I know there are other newsreaders that can
>> do this too.
>
> Actually yeah, you're right. I would have sworn that ESC ^-p
> fetches all articles from the thread, but I just tried it, and in
> fact it only fetches the children of the *current* article. So in
> slrn, you'd have to press ESC p ESC p [...] ESC ^-p to get the whole
> thread... ugh.
>
> On the other hand, as long as people are careful to correctly quote
> and bottom-post, I rarely feel the need to fetch the entire thread
> in the first place ;)
Thanks. I didn't know about ESC p, which does exactly what I want. I've
also discovered that you can see *all* articles, read or unread, by
exiting the group and hitting ESC 1 ENTER. That's probably only useful
if you have a really fast connection to your news server though.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 14:12:58
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Tim McNamara wrote:
> Steve Gravrock wrote:
>> On 2007-11-11, SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net
>> <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Because of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is
>>> easily reviewed by anyone
>>
>> No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided an easy
>> way to retrieve a message that was marked as read in an earlier
>> session. I can follow the thread of everything that was unread at the
>> start of my session easily enough, but going back and looking at
>> previously-read posts is downright painful. I could always paste the
>> message ID into Google Groups, but when I do so I often find that the
>> message hasn't propagated to there yet.
>
> Bummer than slrn doesn't have this capability. Consider trying
> Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the entire thread with a
> single command. It's very convenient. Or MT-Newswatcher, for that
> matter, but you'd need to be using a Mac for that (it also only fetches
> by reference, though, so you can miss branches of the tree). I have
> been using Thunderbird for a couple of weeks on my Mac, and have been
> annoyed that it lacks this capacity....
??? I can see the entire thread on Thunderbird if I choose, and all
messages are displayed, except those deleted due to age by my news-feed.
What am I missing in this explanation?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 22:38:20
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>> Steve Gravrock wrote:
>>> On 2007-11-11, SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net
>>> <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Because of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is
>>>> easily reviewed by anyone
>>>
>>> No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided an
>>> easy way to retrieve a message that was marked as read in an
>>> earlier session. I can follow the thread of everything that was
>>> unread at the start of my session easily enough, but going back
>>> and looking at previously-read posts is downright painful. I
>>> could always paste the message ID into Google Groups, but when I
>>> do so I often find that the message hasn't propagated to there
>>> yet.
>>
>> Bummer than slrn doesn't have this capability. Consider trying
>> Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the entire thread
>> with a single command. It's very convenient. Or MT-Newswatcher,
>> for that matter, but you'd need to be using a Mac for that (it also
>> only fetches by reference, though, so you can miss branches of the
>> tree). I have been using Thunderbird for a couple of weeks on my
>> Mac, and have been annoyed that it lacks this capacity....
>
> ??? I can see the entire thread on Thunderbird if I choose, and all
> messages are displayed, except those deleted due to age by my
> news-feed. What am I missing in this explanation?
I can't find any command to fetch the entire thread, and as I have set
preferences to delete read messages to save on disk space I don't have
the headers stored locally. If I'm overlooking some command in T-bird
to reach back to the server and get those articles, I'd love to know
about it.
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 11:56:57
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Tim McNamara wrote:
>
>
> I can't find any command to fetch the entire thread, and as I have set
> preferences to delete read messages to save on disk space I don't have
> the headers stored locally. If I'm overlooking some command in T-bird
> to reach back to the server and get those articles, I'd love to know
> about it.
>
>
>
There's no T-bird command that I know of. I set my default view to
view-threads-unread. If I want to go back and look at something I have
already viewed or marked as read, I make sure that there's at least one
unread post and reset my view to view-threads-threads with unread till I
have seen all the context I need to see.
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 15:27:25
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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catzz66 wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> I can't find any command to fetch the entire thread, and as I have
>> set preferences to delete read messages to save on disk space I
>> don't have the headers stored locally. If I'm overlooking some
>> command in T-bird to reach back to the server and get those
>> articles, I'd love to know about it.
>>
>
> There's no T-bird command that I know of. I set my default view to
> view-threads-unread. If I want to go back and look at something I
> have already viewed or marked as read, I make sure that there's at
> least one unread post and reset my view to view-threads-threads with
> unread till I have seen all the context I need to see.
Thanks!
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 00:02:44
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Tim McNamara wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> Steve Gravrock wrote:
>>>> On 2007-11-11, SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net
>>>> <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Because of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is
>>>>> easily reviewed by anyone
>>>>
>>>> No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided an
>>>> easy way to retrieve a message that was marked as read in an
>>>> earlier session. I can follow the thread of everything that was
>>>> unread at the start of my session easily enough, but going back
>>>> and looking at previously-read posts is downright painful. I
>>>> could always paste the message ID into Google Groups, but when I
>>>> do so I often find that the message hasn't propagated to there
>>>> yet.
>>>
>>> Bummer than slrn doesn't have this capability. Consider trying
>>> Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the entire thread
>>> with a single command. It's very convenient. Or MT-Newswatcher,
>>> for that matter, but you'd need to be using a Mac for that (it also
>>> only fetches by reference, though, so you can miss branches of the
>>> tree). I have been using Thunderbird for a couple of weeks on my
>>> Mac, and have been annoyed that it lacks this capacity....
>>
>> ??? I can see the entire thread on Thunderbird if I choose, and all
>> messages are displayed, except those deleted due to age by my
>> news-feed. What am I missing in this explanation?
>
> I can't find any command to fetch the entire thread, and as I have set
> preferences to delete read messages to save on disk space I don't have
> the headers stored locally. If I'm overlooking some command in T-bird
> to reach back to the server and get those articles, I'd love to know
> about it.
Ah, makes since now since I do not have Thunderbird set to delete old
messages. Hard drive space is cheap these days.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 08:39:53
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>> Steve Gravrock wrote:
>>>>> On 2007-11-11, SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net
>>>>> <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because of the organization of newsreaders, thread history
>>>>>> is easily reviewed by anyone
>>>>>
>>>>> No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided
>>>>> an easy way to retrieve a message that was marked as read in
>>>>> an earlier session. I can follow the thread of everything
>>>>> that was unread at the start of my session easily enough, but
>>>>> going back and looking at previously-read posts is downright
>>>>> painful. I could always paste the message ID into Google
>>>>> Groups, but when I do so I often find that the message hasn't
>>>>> propagated to there yet.
>>>>
>>>> Bummer than slrn doesn't have this capability. Consider trying
>>>> Emacs/Gnus, which has the ability to back-fetch the entire
>>>> thread with a single command. It's very convenient. Or
>>>> MT-Newswatcher, for that matter, but you'd need to be using a
>>>> Mac for that (it also only fetches by reference, though, so you
>>>> can miss branches of the tree). I have been using Thunderbird
>>>> for a couple of weeks on my Mac, and have been annoyed that it
>>>> lacks this capacity....
>>>
>>> ??? I can see the entire thread on Thunderbird if I choose, and
>>> all messages are displayed, except those deleted due to age by my
>>> news-feed. What am I missing in this explanation?
>>
>> I can't find any command to fetch the entire thread, and as I have
>> set preferences to delete read messages to save on disk space I
>> don't have the headers stored locally. If I'm overlooking some
>> command in T-bird to reach back to the server and get those
>> articles, I'd love to know about it.
>
> Ah, makes since now since I do not have Thunderbird set to delete old
> messages. Hard drive space is cheap these days.
Not on a laptop with a fair collection of Dead shows from
www.archive.org. :-) Bummer, though, I was hoping I had overlooked a
command.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 13:54:20
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Steve Gravrock wrote:
> On 2007-11-11,
> SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net <SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Because
>> of the organization of newsreaders, thread history is easily reviewed
>> by anyone
>
> No it isn't. None of the newsreaders I've ever used provided an easy way
> to retrieve a message that was marked as read in an earlier session. I
> can follow the thread of everything that was unread at the start of my
> session easily enough, but going back and looking at previously-read
> posts is downright painful. I could always paste the message ID into
> Google Groups, but when I do so I often find that the message hasn't
> propagated to there yet.
>
> In fact, because of the quirks of article propagation, it's entirely
> possible for your reply to reach my news server before the message that
> you replied to. The best newsereader in the world won't let you see a
> message that's not there yet.
>
> I'm sure there are newsreaders out there that let you view the thread
> history back past the beginning of the current session. It's an obvious
> feature that I'd like to have. But it isn't the norm.
It is not? All of the few newsreaders I have used will display the whole
thread. However, depending on length of retention, some of the earliest
messages may not be available.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 09:51:25
From: BobT
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
"Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com > wrote in message
news:1194547464.936990@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com...
>I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
>disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
>disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
>warped.
>
> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
> clearance between pad and the disc?
>
> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
>
I do not understand all the hugely negative backlash about a Wal-Mart bike
especially with almost no attempt to answer your question.
First, your question: On an inexpensive bike, rim brakes are probably
going to be easier to maintain and less troublesome than disc brakes.
Next, comments about disrespecting inexpensive bikes, Wal-Mart, and China:
Just because you may have spent more than $150-250 to buy the saddle for
your bike does not mean that no one wants a Wal-Mart bike. Would Mr. Chen
get a better bike for $1,000 at a local bike shop? -- Of course he would,
but not everyone has the extra money. Perhaps some should apologize to Mr.
Chen. I think the suggestions to look for a better quality, used bike are
excellent.
Those of you that think made in China is synonymous with junk (for example,
"My main issue with Wal-Mart stuff is it is mostly made in China, or worse.
Can you imagine?"), might be surprised to know how many parts of your high
end bicycles are from China or other emerging market nations. For example,
my very high quality Schwalbe "German" touring tires are made by CST/Cheng
Shin in Taiwan.
Wal-Mart is extremely successful. Despite all of the negative publicity in
recent years, many, many people continue to shop there because of "everyday
low prices". The globalization of the economy is a matter of fact today.
This allows people in the U.S.A. access to many inexpensive, high quality
products from China and many other countries. This raises our standard of
living. Are there any negative effects? Of course, but industrialized
nations and their people are going to have to compete on a leveled playing
field with the rest of the world whether they like it or not.
"Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:BfCdnQUmpujVJK7anZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
<Most Americans who buy from Wal-Mart simply do not understand the New World
<Order (aka NAFTA): They are unknowingly cutting their neighbor's throat.
If Joe Smith in Peoria makes a better and/or less expensive mouse trap than
Bill Jones in Dallas, Joe will sell more mouse traps than Bill. This is
not "cutting their neighbor's throat". This is free market capitalism and
is what makes the U.S.A. great. So what if Joe lives in Toronto, Hong Kong,
or Oaxaca rather than Peoria.
Incidentally, the first two letters in NAFTA stand for North American and it
has no bearing on trade with China.
BobT
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 04:04:22
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Tim McNamara wrote:
> Tosspot wrote:
> > Michael Press wrote:
> >> Do not top post. Ever hear of bicycle maintenance? Stick around and
> >> learn something; as you have nothing to teach me.
> >
> > Christ, the Usenet Nazis are alive and well in this little neck of
> > the interweb.
>
> The invocation of Godwin's law came up early in this thread.
> Congratulations. As far as participating in Usenet goes, however,
> Michael's advice is correct. Don't top post, it's like pissing in the
> swimming pool. Most everyone else has learned that simple thing.
The strange thing is that top posting is actually the norm in the real
world, usenet is the exception. If someone were to bottom post in a
business world email chain you would be thought of as odd bordering on
crazy, if anyone actually saw your response. As long as someone is
going to quote the entire previous history of a thread in their
response, top posting makes more sense because at least you don't have
to scroll down through the entire thread to get to the point. Bottom
posting only makes sense if you are editing the history to clarify
what it is that you are responding to. It's interesting how people
have become so caught up in the rule "don't top post" that they have
lost sight of its purpose and now blindly follow it, adding a couple
of lines of commentary at the bottom of dozens of lines of history.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 10:24:27
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> Tosspot wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do not top post. Ever hear of bicycle maintenance? Stick around
>>>> and learn something; as you have nothing to teach me.
>>
>>> Christ, the Usenet Nazis are alive and well in this little neck
>>> of the interweb.
>
>> The invocation of Godwin's law came up early in this thread.
>> Congratulations. As far as participating in Usenet goes, however,
>> Michael's advice is correct. Don't top post, it's like pissing in
>> the swimming pool. Most everyone else has learned that simple
>> thing.
>
> The strange thing is that top posting is actually the norm in the
> real world, usenet is the exception. If someone were to bottom post
> in a business world email chain you would be thought of as odd
> bordering on crazy, if anyone actually saw your response. As long as
> someone is going to quote the entire previous history of a thread in
> their response, top posting makes more sense because at least you
> don't have to scroll down through the entire thread to get to the
> point. Bottom posting only makes sense if you are editing the history
> to clarify what it is that you are responding to. It's interesting
> how people have become so caught up in the rule "don't top post" that
> they have lost sight of its purpose and now blindly follow it, adding
> a couple of lines of commentary at the bottom of dozens of lines of
> history.
E-mail is not Usenet. The convention on Usenet is what it is because it
is a public discussion. This convention was developed through trial and
error. It is appropriate and necessary to educate newbies and
intransigent non-newbies as to why top posting is inappropriate in this
type of discussion.
That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because it makes
more logical sense to the flow of the conversation using languages that
read from top to bottom. Top posting is symptomatic of a mind
insufficiently attentive to critical thinking, in my opinion. When I
use Emacs/Gnus for my newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do
this automagically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is not
relevant.
That's been the standard for the entire history of e-mail and Usenet,
developed through trial and error and the application of logic. That
modern users are often lazy and lack critical analysis and reasoning
skills is no reason to change best practices.
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 01:23:18
From: Mark Shroyer
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
On 2007-11-11, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote:
> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because it makes
> more logical sense to the flow of the conversation using languages that
> read from top to bottom. Top posting is symptomatic of a mind
> insufficiently attentive to critical thinking, in my opinion. When I
> use Emacs/Gnus for my newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do
> this automagically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is not
> relevant.
Seconded. Absolutely.
Except I use mutt/vim ;)
--
Mark Shroyer
http://markshroyer.com/
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Date: 13 Nov 2007 20:18:59
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Mark Shroyer wrote:
> On 2007-11-11, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because it makes
>> more logical sense to the flow of the conversation using languages that
>> read from top to bottom. Top posting is symptomatic of a mind
>> insufficiently attentive to critical thinking, in my opinion. When I
>> use Emacs/Gnus for my newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do
>> this automagically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is not
>> relevant.
>
> Seconded. Absolutely.
>
> Except I use mutt/vim ;)
I've never tried mutt. I don't like vi/vim. Urrgggh. Ain't it grand
that there are options?
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 01:43:19
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Mark Shroyer writes:
>> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because it
>> makes more logical sense to the flow of the conversation using
>> languages that read from top to bottom. Top posting is symptomatic
>> of a mind insufficiently attentive to critical thinking, in my
>> opinion. When I use Emacs/Gnus for my newsreader/mail client, the
>> "deuglify" commands do this automagically. I also trim out the
>> extraneous text which is not relevant.
> Seconded. Absolutely.
> Except I use mutt/vim ;)
So I use mutt/emacs where ESC-Q does wonders for messy text.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 04:36:19
From: Mark Shroyer
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
On 2007-11-14, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org <jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org > wrote:
> Mark Shroyer writes:
>
>>> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because
>>> it makes more logical sense to the flow of the conversation
>>> using languages that read from top to bottom. Top posting is
>>> symptomatic of a mind insufficiently attentive to critical
>>> thinking, in my opinion. When I use Emacs/Gnus for my
>>> newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do this
>>> automagically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is not
>>> relevant.
>
>> Seconded. Absolutely.
>
>> Except I use mutt/vim ;)
>
> So I use mutt/emacs where ESC-Q does wonders for messy text.
I should be very careful not to start an Emacs/vim war in
rec.bicycles.tech of all places, but I will answer this by pointing
out that text re-wrapping is not exclusive to Emacs: in vim you do
this by typing gq} (or more generally, gq[movement command]).
--
Mark Shroyer
http://markshroyer.com/
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 05:16:03
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Mark Shroyer writes:
>>>> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because
>>>> it makes more logical sense to the flow of the conversation
>>>> using languages that read from top to bottom. Top posting is
>>>> symptomatic of a mind insufficiently attentive to critical
>>>> thinking, in my opinion. When I use Emacs/Gnus for my
>>>> newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do this
>>>> automatically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is not
>>>> relevant.
>>> Seconded. Absolutely.
>>> Except I use mutt/vim ;)
>> So I use mutt/emacs where ESC-q does wonders for messy text.
> I should be very careful not to start an Emacs/vim war in
> rec.bicycles.tech of all places, but I will answer this by pointing
> out that text re-wrapping is not exclusive to Emacs: in vim you do
> this by typing gq} (or more generally, gq[movement command]).
Yes, however emacs automatically assesses the prefix of the paragraph
to be re-wrapped and acts appropriately, be that a *, >, ##, or other
prefix.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 04:52:18
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Mark Shroyer writes:
>>>> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because
>>>> it makes more logical sense to the flow of the conversation
>>>> using languages that read from top to bottom. Top posting is
>>>> symptomatic of a mind insufficiently attentive to critical
>>>> thinking, in my opinion. When I use Emacs/Gnus for my
>>>> newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do this
>>>> automatically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is not
>>>> relevant.
>>> Seconded. Absolutely.
>>> Except I use mutt/vim ;)
>> So I use mutt/emacs where ESC-q does wonders for messy text.
> I should be very careful not to start an Emacs/vim war in
> rec.bicycles.tech of all places, but I will answer this by pointing
> out that text re-wrapping is not exclusive to Emacs: in vim you do
> this by typing gq} (or more generally, gq[movement command]).
Yes, however emacs automatically assesses the prefix to the paragraph
Yes but emacs automatically finds the prefix of the paragraph to be
re-wrapped and acts appropriately, be that a *, >, ##, or other prefix.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 02:53:48
From: Ben C
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
On 2007-11-14, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org <jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org > wrote:
> Mark Shroyer writes:
>
>>>>> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because
>>>>> it makes more logical sense to the flow of the conversation
>>>>> using languages that read from top to bottom. Top posting is
>>>>> symptomatic of a mind insufficiently attentive to critical
>>>>> thinking, in my opinion. When I use Emacs/Gnus for my
>>>>> newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do this
>>>>> automatically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is not
>>>>> relevant.
>
>>>> Seconded. Absolutely.
>
>>>> Except I use mutt/vim ;)
>
>>> So I use mutt/emacs where ESC-q does wonders for messy text.
>
>> I should be very careful not to start an Emacs/vim war in
>> rec.bicycles.tech of all places, but I will answer this by pointing
>> out that text re-wrapping is not exclusive to Emacs: in vim you do
>> this by typing gq} (or more generally, gq[movement command]).
>
> Yes, however emacs automatically assesses the prefix to the paragraph
> Yes but emacs automatically finds the prefix of the paragraph to be
> re-wrapped and acts appropriately, be that a *, >, ##, or other prefix.
Vim does all that too. Mutt/Emacs is an odd combination-- why don't you
use Emacs's own MUA?
Emacs takes half an hour to start up because it's an operating system.
That may make it preferable to run the MUA inside rather than outside
it.
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 13:24:47
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Ben C? writes:
>>>>>> That said, I also reformat e-mails to be non-top posted because
>>>>>> it makes more logical sense to the flow of the conversation
>>>>>> using languages that read from top to bottom. Top posting is
>>>>>> symptomatic of a mind insufficiently attentive to critical
>>>>>> thinking, in my opinion. When I use Emacs/Gnus for my
>>>>>> newsreader/mail client, the "deuglify" commands do this
>>>>>> automatically. I also trim out the extraneous text which is
>>>>>> not relevant.
>>>>> Seconded. Absolutely.
>>>>> Except I use mutt/vim ;)
>>>> So I use mutt/emacs where ESC-q does wonders for messy text.
>>> I should be very careful not to start an Emacs/vim war in
>>> rec.bicycles.tech of all places, but I will answer this by
>>> pointing out that text re-wrapping is not exclusive to Emacs: in
>>> vim you do this by typing gq} (or more generally, gq[movement
>>> command]).
>> Yes, however emacs automatically assesses the prefix to the
>> paragraph to be re-wrapped and acts appropriately, be that a *, >,
>> ##, or other prefix.
> Vim does all that too. Mutt/Emacs is an odd combination-- why don't
> you use Emacs's own MUA?
> Emacs takes half an hour to start up because it's an operating
> system. That may make it preferable to run the MUA inside rather
> than outside it.
It comes up instantly for me because I use it on my ISP and RBR never
gets into my computer. It's all done on the ISP side where all
newsgroups reside as well as the relevant mutt data, macros and
aliases.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 10:08:00
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
SocSecTrainWreck@earthlink.net wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>> Tosspot wrote:
>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>> Do not top post. Ever hear of bicycle maintenance? Stick around and
>>>> learn something; as you have nothing to teach me.
>>> Christ, the Usenet Nazis are alive and well in this little neck of
>>> the interweb.
>> The invocation of Godwin's law came up early in this thread.
>> Congratulations. As far as participating in Usenet goes, however,
>> Michael's advice is correct. Don't top post, it's like pissing in the
>> swimming pool. Most everyone else has learned that simple thing.
>
> The strange thing is that top posting is actually the norm in the real
> world, usenet is the exception. If someone were to bottom post in a
> business world email chain you would be thought of as odd bordering on
> crazy, if anyone actually saw your response.
I get these at work, and have to read from the bottom up for it to make
sense. Bad tradition, but one we are likely stuck with.
> As long as someone is
> going to quote the entire previous history of a thread in their
> response, top posting makes more sense because at least you don't have
> to scroll down through the entire thread to get to the point. Bottom
> posting only makes sense if you are editing the history to clarify
> what it is that you are responding to. It's interesting how people
> have become so caught up in the rule "don't top post" that they have
> lost sight of its purpose and now blindly follow it, adding a couple
> of lines of commentary at the bottom of dozens of lines of history.
>
If one person top posts, it makes it difficult to impossible to
interleave new text within the quoted text.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 11:34:19
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
That's true.
>>
> If one person top posts, it makes it difficult to impossible to interleave
> new text within the quoted text.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 08:48:17
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Steve wrote:
>
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>> If one person top posts, it makes it difficult to impossible to
>> interleave new text within the quoted text.
>
> That's true.
No, it's not. But it's a PITA to have to fix and does become
impractical in long threads with lots of layers of attribution.
The top posting problem is largely due to Microsoft's typically
malfunctioning news/mail clients. Prior e-mail clients and newsreaders
generally were set to bottom-post by default. Hence Emacs Gnus's W-Y-f
command (keymapping for the gnus-article-outlook-deuglify-article
command) that makes repairing this stuff fairly easy, but as far as I
know it is unique to Gnus.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 15:41:06
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
On Nov 8, 12:44 pm, "Julius Chen" <julc...@cisco.com > wrote:
> I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
> disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
> disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
> warped.
>
> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
> clearance between pad and the disc?
>
> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
Rim brakes are fine if they're set up well. For under $200 you can get
plenty of bikes at Xmart that are fine for riding around the block
with a 5 year old. I've seen hybrid style bikes at the local Target
that looked to be just fine--with a tune up of course.
I'd still try craigslist first, it's the best deal. And stay away from
cheap disc brakes. You usually don't get nice discs in bikes that cost
under $700 or so. Linear pull brakes set up with good spring tension
stop and feel great.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 18:53:57
From: Jay
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
"Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com > wrote in message
news:1194547464.936990@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com...
>I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
>disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
>disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
>warped.
>
> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
> clearance between pad and the disc?
>
> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
So it sounds like you intend to actually ride a Wal-Mart bike?
J.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 18:10:03
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:53:57 -0600, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>"Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote in message
>news:1194547464.936990@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com...
>>I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
>>disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
>>disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
>>warped.
>>
>> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
>> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
>> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
>> clearance between pad and the disc?
>>
>> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
>> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
>So it sounds like you intend to actually ride a Wal-Mart bike?
>
>J.
Dear Jay,
A while ago, I rode a WalMart bicycle for about 1,200 miles in daily
4-mile rides:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/ccc0c851499eebed
It worked fine.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 19:35:18
From: Jay
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
<carlfogel@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:imc7j39peng69lg2r3t1juiv23fr3kv1tu@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:53:57 -0600, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote in message
>>news:1194547464.936990@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com...
>>>I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike
>>>with
>>>disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad
>>>and
>>>disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might
>>>be
>>>warped.
>>>
>>> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the
>>> disc?
>>> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of
>>> adjustment
>>> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
>>> clearance between pad and the disc?
>>>
>>> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite
>>> like
>>> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
>>So it sounds like you intend to actually ride a Wal-Mart bike?
>>
>>J.
>
> Dear Jay,
>
> A while ago, I rode a WalMart bicycle for about 1,200 miles in daily
> 4-mile rides:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/ccc0c851499eebed
>
> It worked fine.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
Dear Carl,
I absolutely defer to your opinion about all things related to bikes.
My main issue with Wal-Mart stuff is; it is mostly made in China, or worse.
Can you imagine?
Most Americans who buy from Wal-Mart simply do not understand the New World
Order (aka NAFTA): They are unknowingly cutting their neighbor's throat.
You and I know what I am talking about. I do not have the time or patience
to explain it to others.
Irate J.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 20:52:33
From:
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:35:18 -0600, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com > wrote:
>
><carlfogel@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:imc7j39peng69lg2r3t1juiv23fr3kv1tu@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:53:57 -0600, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1194547464.936990@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com...
>>>>I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike
>>>>with
>>>>disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad
>>>>and
>>>>disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might
>>>>be
>>>>warped.
>>>>
>>>> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the
>>>> disc?
>>>> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of
>>>> adjustment
>>>> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
>>>> clearance between pad and the disc?
>>>>
>>>> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite
>>>> like
>>>> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
>>>So it sounds like you intend to actually ride a Wal-Mart bike?
>>>
>>>J.
>>
>> Dear Jay,
>>
>> A while ago, I rode a WalMart bicycle for about 1,200 miles in daily
>> 4-mile rides:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/ccc0c851499eebed
>>
>> It worked fine.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Dear Carl,
>
>I absolutely defer to your opinion about all things related to bikes.
>
>My main issue with Wal-Mart stuff is; it is mostly made in China, or worse.
>Can you imagine?
>
>Most Americans who buy from Wal-Mart simply do not understand the New World
>Order (aka NAFTA): They are unknowingly cutting their neighbor's throat.
>
>You and I know what I am talking about. I do not have the time or patience
>to explain it to others.
>
>Irate J.
Dear Jay,
Actually, I don't know what you're talking about, so please don't
include me in your bizarre economic rants.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 09:46:54
From: Julius Chen
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
I actually came from China. The reason I will ride on Walmart bike or buy
anything from Walmart or not is not related to whether China is cutting
somebody's throat or not. I only care about how much $ I am willing to pay
for what quality of bike I will use. I finally decided based on all input
from here (thanks!) not to buy from Walmart (may go COSTCO instead - yeah, I
am still a cheap bastard.)
At this time, I won't pay more than $350 either for either new or old bikes.
I used to hate biking - it was my ONLY way to go anywhere from home when I
was in China, hot/cold, rain/snow any day. And bike there were in general so
bad in condition that anything in Walmart looks like a brand new space
shuttle. My dad couldn't afford me a bike more than US$10 then (and anything
worth more than that would be stolen and end up in bike market nearby
anyway). He gave me his own who knows how old bike when I was in college -
the bike probably was worth $8 or $10, but he had to spent like US$3 to ship
this damn thing by rail over 1,000 miles. It was a heavy Chinese made 28",
heavy for excercise but not much fun as a means to get around ;-). I had it
for 1 year before it was stolen. But that is one thing he did for me that I
will always remember.
Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to spent some
quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet pea. She has a
sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The best bike in the entire
world as far as she is concerned.
<carlfogel@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:aam7j3dpumo0u8ob6633b8jihetecam918@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:35:18 -0600, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><carlfogel@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:imc7j39peng69lg2r3t1juiv23fr3kv1tu@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:53:57 -0600, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1194547464.936990@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com...
>>>>>I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike
>>>>>with
>>>>>disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad
>>>>>and
>>>>>disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might
>>>>>be
>>>>>warped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the
>>>>> disc?
>>>>> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of
>>>>> adjustment
>>>>> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
>>>>> clearance between pad and the disc?
>>>>>
>>>>> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite
>>>>> like
>>>>> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
>>>>So it sounds like you intend to actually ride a Wal-Mart bike?
>>>>
>>>>J.
>>>
>>> Dear Jay,
>>>
>>> A while ago, I rode a WalMart bicycle for about 1,200 miles in daily
>>> 4-mile rides:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/ccc0c851499eebed
>>>
>>> It worked fine.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Carl Fogel
>>
>>Dear Carl,
>>
>>I absolutely defer to your opinion about all things related to bikes.
>>
>>My main issue with Wal-Mart stuff is; it is mostly made in China, or
>>worse.
>>Can you imagine?
>>
>>Most Americans who buy from Wal-Mart simply do not understand the New
>>World
>>Order (aka NAFTA): They are unknowingly cutting their neighbor's throat.
>>
>>You and I know what I am talking about. I do not have the time or patience
>>to explain it to others.
>>
>>Irate J.
>
> Dear Jay,
>
> Actually, I don't know what you're talking about, so please don't
> include me in your bizarre economic rants.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
>
|
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 17:04:28
From: vey
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Julius Chen wrote:
It was a heavy Chinese made 28",
> heavy for excercise but not much fun as a means to get around ;-). I had it
> for 1 year before it was stolen. But that is one thing he did for me that I
> will always remember.
There is a fellow selling Flying Pigeons on Ebay now if you want one.
The bikes at Walmart look okay, but the defects are hidden. Like buying
a used car whose engine blows up after you drive it home. The Flying
Pigeon is probably more reliable.
I had a Walmart bike for about three years and learned a lot about
bicycle repair from owning it. The first problem was the rim brakes that
would not adjust properly because the springs were too weak. Then the
bearings in the bottom bracket went out and I learned how to replace
those. The spokes kept breaking inside the rim at the nipple. A broken
spoke got caught in the derailer and bent it beyond repair, so I had to
put a new derailer on. I had numerous flat tires from the spoke nipples
pushing up and cutting the tube.
I've ridden bikes for years. I don't ride like a madman. No stump
hopping or any off-road biking at all, so I don't think it was me. None
of the problems I had could be seen at the store.
Year before last, I found a 15 year-old non-walmart bike that someone
threw away. I oiled and greased it up and so far it hasn't needed any
repairs at all.
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 19:46:45
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
In article
<1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com >,
"Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com > wrote:
> I actually came from China. The reason I will ride on Walmart bike or buy
> anything from Walmart or not is not related to whether China is cutting
> somebody's throat or not. I only care about how much $ I am willing to pay
> for what quality of bike I will use. I finally decided based on all input
> from here (thanks!) not to buy from Walmart (may go COSTCO instead - yeah, I
> am still a cheap bastard.)
>
> At this time, I won't pay more than $350 either for either new or old bikes.
> I used to hate biking - it was my ONLY way to go anywhere from home when I
> was in China, hot/cold, rain/snow any day. And bike there were in general so
> bad in condition that anything in Walmart looks like a brand new space
> shuttle. My dad couldn't afford me a bike more than US$10 then (and anything
> worth more than that would be stolen and end up in bike market nearby
> anyway). He gave me his own who knows how old bike when I was in college -
> the bike probably was worth $8 or $10, but he had to spent like US$3 to ship
> this damn thing by rail over 1,000 miles. It was a heavy Chinese made 28",
> heavy for excercise but not much fun as a means to get around ;-). I had it
> for 1 year before it was stolen. But that is one thing he did for me that I
> will always remember.
>
> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to spent some
> quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet pea. She has a
> sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The best bike in the entire
> world as far as she is concerned.
>
Do not top post.
Ever hear of bicycle maintenance?
Stick around and learn something;
as you have nothing to teach me.
--
Michael Press
|
| | | | | | | |
Date: 10 Nov 2007 05:05:15
From: Ben C
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
On 2007-11-09, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
><1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>,
> "Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> I actually came from China. The reason I will ride on Walmart bike or buy
>> anything from Walmart or not is not related to whether China is cutting
>> somebody's throat or not. I only care about how much $ I am willing to pay
>> for what quality of bike I will use. I finally decided based on all input
>> from here (thanks!) not to buy from Walmart (may go COSTCO instead - yeah, I
>> am still a cheap bastard.)
>>
>> At this time, I won't pay more than $350 either for either new or old bikes.
>> I used to hate biking - it was my ONLY way to go anywhere from home when I
>> was in China, hot/cold, rain/snow any day. And bike there were in general so
>> bad in condition that anything in Walmart looks like a brand new space
>> shuttle. My dad couldn't afford me a bike more than US$10 then (and anything
>> worth more than that would be stolen and end up in bike market nearby
>> anyway). He gave me his own who knows how old bike when I was in college -
>> the bike probably was worth $8 or $10, but he had to spent like US$3 to ship
>> this damn thing by rail over 1,000 miles. It was a heavy Chinese made 28",
>> heavy for excercise but not much fun as a means to get around ;-). I had it
>> for 1 year before it was stolen. But that is one thing he did for me that I
>> will always remember.
>>
>> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to spent some
>> quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet pea. She has a
>> sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The best bike in the entire
>> world as far as she is concerned.
>>
>
> Do not top post.
> Ever hear of bicycle maintenance?
> Stick around and learn something;
> as you have nothing to teach me.
So you know everything there is to know about bicycles in China?
|
| | | | | | | | |
Date: 10 Nov 2007 23:25:07
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
In article
<slrnfjb457.cdh.spamspam@bowser.marioworld >,
Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs > wrote:
> On 2007-11-09, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> ><1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>,
> > "Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I actually came from China. The reason I will ride on Walmart bike or buy
> >> anything from Walmart or not is not related to whether China is cutting
> >> somebody's throat or not. I only care about how much $ I am willing to pay
> >> for what quality of bike I will use. I finally decided based on all input
> >> from here (thanks!) not to buy from Walmart (may go COSTCO instead - yeah, I
> >> am still a cheap bastard.)
> >>
> >> At this time, I won't pay more than $350 either for either new or old bikes.
> >> I used to hate biking - it was my ONLY way to go anywhere from home when I
> >> was in China, hot/cold, rain/snow any day. And bike there were in general so
> >> bad in condition that anything in Walmart looks like a brand new space
> >> shuttle. My dad couldn't afford me a bike more than US$10 then (and anything
> >> worth more than that would be stolen and end up in bike market nearby
> >> anyway). He gave me his own who knows how old bike when I was in college -
> >> the bike probably was worth $8 or $10, but he had to spent like US$3 to ship
> >> this damn thing by rail over 1,000 miles. It was a heavy Chinese made 28",
> >> heavy for excercise but not much fun as a means to get around ;-). I had it
> >> for 1 year before it was stolen. But that is one thing he did for me that I
> >> will always remember.
> >>
> >> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to spent some
> >> quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet pea. She has a
> >> sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The best bike in the entire
> >> world as far as she is concerned.
> >>
> >
> > Do not top post.
> > Ever hear of bicycle maintenance?
> > Stick around and learn something;
> > as you have nothing to teach me.
>
> So you know everything there is to know about bicycles in China?
Non sequitur.
--
Michael Press
|
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 02:56:46
From: Ben C
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
On 2007-11-10, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
><slrnfjb457.cdh.spamspam@bowser.marioworld>,
> Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote:
>
>> On 2007-11-09, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> > In article
>> ><1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>,
>> > "Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
[...]
>> >>
>> >
>> > Do not top post.
>> > Ever hear of bicycle maintenance?
>> > Stick around and learn something;
>> > as you have nothing to teach me.
>>
>> So you know everything there is to know about bicycles in China?
>
> Non sequitur.
Much better. A certain owlish contempt like this is amusing, and we rely
on you to provide it. But you went a bit far with poor Julius.
|
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 01:33:38
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
In article
<slrnfjdgvt.u9q.spamspam@bowser.marioworld >,
Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs > wrote:
> On 2007-11-10, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> ><slrnfjb457.cdh.spamspam@bowser.marioworld>,
> > Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2007-11-09, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> > In article
> >> ><1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>,
> >> > "Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
> [...]
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Do not top post.
> >> > Ever hear of bicycle maintenance?
> >> > Stick around and learn something;
> >> > as you have nothing to teach me.
> >>
> >> So you know everything there is to know about bicycles in China?
> >
> > Non sequitur.
>
> Much better. A certain owlish contempt like this is amusing, and we rely
> on you to provide it. But you went a bit far with poor Julius.
Better? Better than what?
What about "bicycles in China"?
--
Michael Press
|
| | | | | | | |
Date: 10 Nov 2007 08:53:52
From: Tosspot
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>,
> "Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
<snip for brevity >
>> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to spent some
>> quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet pea. She has a
>> sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The best bike in the entire
>> world as far as she is concerned.
>>
>
> Do not top post.
> Ever hear of bicycle maintenance?
> Stick around and learn something;
> as you have nothing to teach me.
Christ, the Usenet Nazis are alive and well in this little neck of the
interweb.
You know, I think I'm going to pop down the local supermarket for some
Chinese tea, I need a cuppa >:)
|
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 12:08:49
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Tosspot wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article <1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>, "Julius
>> Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> <snip for brevity>
>
>>> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to
>>> spent some quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet
>>> pea. She has a sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The
>>> best bike in the entire world as far as she is concerned.
>>>
>>
>> Do not top post. Ever hear of bicycle maintenance? Stick around and
>> learn something; as you have nothing to teach me.
>
> Christ, the Usenet Nazis are alive and well in this little neck of
> the interweb.
The invocation of Godwin's law came up early in this thread.
Congratulations. As far as participating in Usenet goes, however,
Michael's advice is correct. Don't top post, it's like pissing in the
swimming pool. Most everyone else has learned that simple thing.
|
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 23:26:49
From: Tosspot
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Tim McNamara wrote:
> Tosspot wrote:
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article <1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>, "Julius
>>> Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip for brevity>
>>
>>>> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to
>>>> spent some quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet
>>>> pea. She has a sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The
>>>> best bike in the entire world as far as she is concerned.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do not top post. Ever hear of bicycle maintenance? Stick around and
>>> learn something; as you have nothing to teach me.
>>
>> Christ, the Usenet Nazis are alive and well in this little neck of
>> the interweb.
>
> The invocation of Godwin's law came up early in this thread.
> Congratulations. As far as participating in Usenet goes, however,
> Michael's advice is correct. Don't top post, it's like pissing in the
> swimming pool. Most everyone else has learned that simple thing.
Michael did not give advice, he gave an imperative. And while I would
agree on both subjects of Godwin and top posting, I thought it was a
bit abrupt, verging on rude, and, ultimately, making oneself look look
like an arsehole.
To summarise, good advice, badly delivered, followed by sanctimonious crap.
|
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 23:29:48
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
In article <fh5bbf$uuu$01$1@news.t-online.com >,
Tosspot <FrankDotLeake@esa.int > wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
> > Tosspot wrote:
> >> Michael Press wrote:
> >>> In article <1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>, "Julius
> >>> Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip for brevity>
> >>
> >>>> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to
> >>>> spent some quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet
> >>>> pea. She has a sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The
> >>>> best bike in the entire world as far as she is concerned.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Do not top post. Ever hear of bicycle maintenance? Stick around and
> >>> learn something; as you have nothing to teach me.
> >>
> >> Christ, the Usenet Nazis are alive and well in this little neck of
> >> the interweb.
> >
> > The invocation of Godwin's law came up early in this thread.
> > Congratulations. As far as participating in Usenet goes, however,
> > Michael's advice is correct. Don't top post, it's like pissing in the
> > swimming pool. Most everyone else has learned that simple thing.
>
> Michael did not give advice, he gave an imperative. And while I would
> agree on both subjects of Godwin and top posting, I thought it was a
> bit abrupt, verging on rude, and, ultimately, making oneself look look
> like an arsehole.
>
> To summarise, good advice, badly delivered, followed by sanctimonious crap.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
--
Michael Press
|
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 19:46:05
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>,
> "Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> I actually came from China. The reason I will ride on Walmart bike or buy
>> anything from Walmart or not is not related to whether China is cutting
>> somebody's throat or not. I only care about how much $ I am willing to pay
>> for what quality of bike I will use. I finally decided based on all input
>> from here (thanks!) not to buy from Walmart (may go COSTCO instead - yeah, I
>> am still a cheap bastard.)
>>
>> At this time, I won't pay more than $350 either for either new or old bikes.
>> I used to hate biking - it was my ONLY way to go anywhere from home when I
>> was in China, hot/cold, rain/snow any day. And bike there were in general so
>> bad in condition that anything in Walmart looks like a brand new space
>> shuttle. My dad couldn't afford me a bike more than US$10 then (and anything
>> worth more than that would be stolen and end up in bike market nearby
>> anyway). He gave me his own who knows how old bike when I was in college -
>> the bike probably was worth $8 or $10, but he had to spent like US$3 to ship
>> this damn thing by rail over 1,000 miles. It was a heavy Chinese made 28",
>> heavy for excercise but not much fun as a means to get around ;-). I had it
>> for 1 year before it was stolen. But that is one thing he did for me that I
>> will always remember.
>>
>> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to spent some
>> quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet pea. She has a
>> sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The best bike in the entire
>> world as far as she is concerned.
>>
>
> Do not top post.
> Ever hear of bicycle maintenance?
> Stick around and learn something;
> as you have nothing to teach me.
>
geeze, that is the most unwarranted, arrogant, small-minded, spiteful
crap i've ever seen on r.b.t. and that's no mean feat.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 05:30:39
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
|
In article
<wJednR66gPDgtKjanZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <1194630418.449109@sj-nntpcache-3.cisco.com>,
> > "Julius Chen" <julchen@cisco.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I actually came from China. The reason I will ride on Walmart bike or buy
> >> anything from Walmart or not is not related to whether China is cutting
> >> somebody's throat or not. I only care about how much $ I am willing to pay
> >> for what quality of bike I will use. I finally decided based on all input
> >> from here (thanks!) not to buy from Walmart (may go COSTCO instead - yeah, I
> >> am still a cheap bastard.)
> >>
> >> At this time, I won't pay more than $350 either for either new or old bikes.
> >> I used to hate biking - it was my ONLY way to go anywhere from home when I
> >> was in China, hot/cold, rain/snow any day. And bike there were in general so
> >> bad in condition that anything in Walmart looks like a brand new space
> >> shuttle. My dad couldn't afford me a bike more than US$10 then (and anything
> >> worth more than that would be stolen and end up in bike market nearby
> >> anyway). He gave me his own who knows how old bike when I was in college -
> >> the bike probably was worth $8 or $10, but he had to spent like US$3 to ship
> >> this damn thing by rail over 1,000 miles. It was a heavy Chinese made 28",
> >> heavy for excercise but not much fun as a means to get around ;-). I had it
> >> for 1 year before it was stolen. But that is one thing he did for me that I
> >> will always remember.
> >>
> >> Anyway, today I like to drive cars. I am to bike a bit only to spent some
> >> quality time outdoor with my little 5 year old sweet pea. She has a
> >> sparkling Cinderella 12 inches from Walmart. The best bike in the entire
> >> world as far as she is concerned.
> >
> > Do not top post.
> > Ever hear of bicycle maintenance?
> > Stick around and learn something;
> > as you have nothing to teach me.
>
> geeze, that is the most unwarranted, arrogant, small-minded, spiteful
> crap i've ever seen on r.b.t. and that's no mean feat.
Praise, indeed.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 12:19:12
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On Nov 8, 7:44 pm, "Julius Chen" <julc...@cisco.com > wrote:
> I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
> disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
> disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
> warped.
>
> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
> clearance between pad and the disc?
>
> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
It shouldn't require frequent adjustment once it's set up properly.
Different calipers vary greatly in the ease with which they can be
adjusted, generally price related. If the disc is warped, you can coax
it back into shape with your fingers. Just bend it. If I liked the
bike otherwise, I wouldn't let the rubbing turn me off as it most
likely can be adjusted.
Joseph
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 13:38:40
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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Julius Chen wrote:
> I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
> disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
> disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
> warped.
>
> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
> clearance between pad and the disc?
>
> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
An X Mart 'bike' with one disc will be half as frustrating as one with
two discs.
Have you looked at other venues? Thrift store? LBS? Craigslist? The curb
on garbage day? Hard to do much worse than a $150 'ersatz bike'.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 19:30:40
From: _
Subject: Re: Disc Brake v.s. Rim Brake
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:44:24 -0800, Julius Chen wrote:
> I just need a $150~250 bike to bike over weekends. Walmart has a bike with
> disc brake but as the wheel turns I can hear friction between brake pad and
> disc. It is either the disc caliber not well adjusted or the disc might be
> warped.
>
> Does disc brake requires frequent adjustment so pads don't touch the disc?
> Will the disc warp easily over time (in that case no amount of adjustment
> will make the noise go away)? How easy in general it is to adjust the
> clearance between pad and the disc?
>
> I may just choose to go with models with rim brakes only. But I quite like
> one model other than it has this disc brake in front.
That's not a bicycle.
It is a bicycle-shaped-object.
Take you money and either get more so you can get a real bicycle, or find a
used real bicycle.
p.s. rim brakes are fine, even if they don't have Magic Pivots (tm)
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