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Date: 07 Sep 2007 05:50:49
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: "Do one thing and do it well"
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I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 08:49:57
From: Dave Reckoning
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1189169449.155517.169720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_wheel_spoke_attachment
So, if I loose one spoke, I loose two?
In wheels as in love, my motto is: Simple is good.
This does not seem simple:)
Dave
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 08:14:30
From:
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:49:57 -0400, "Dave Reckoning" <John@smith.com > wrote:
>"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in
>message news:1189169449.155517.169720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
>>
>
>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_wheel_spoke_attachment
>
>So, if I loose one spoke, I loose two?
>
>In wheels as in love, my motto is: Simple is good.
>
>This does not seem simple:)
There is, in fact, nothing simple about it.
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 05:46:40
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 8, 7:01 pm, Ron Ruff <rruffrr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Sep 8, 6:20 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> > They already did that with pedal design..got a good one now..why they
> > want to make such a silly idea, that does nothing new but emphasizes
> > 'unique to this wheel' parts, is silly...but their $.
>
> Yes, being unique is very important... that is what the consumers want
> to see. They want to buy something unique so *they* will be unique.
> I'd being willing to cut CB some slack on these as long as they are as
> durable as a conventional wheel at a similar weight that would cost
> half as much... many manufacturers don't meet that "requirement".
BUT it will probably be less durable, weigh maybe about the same and
be more expensive. PLUS in 2-3 years, they will have moved onto
something else with no spokes/barrells/rims as replacements...I guess
manufacturers have to try to be onnovative in this pretty flat market
but I just don't see why CB can't just stick to pedals. They do that
well.
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Date: 08 Sep 2007 18:01:43
From: Ron Ruff
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 8, 6:20 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> They already did that with pedal design..got a good one now..why they
> want to make such a silly idea, that does nothing new but emphasizes
> 'unique to this wheel' parts, is silly...but their $.
Yes, being unique is very important... that is what the consumers want
to see. They want to buy something unique so *they* will be unique.
I'd being willing to cut CB some slack on these as long as they are as
durable as a conventional wheel at a similar weight that would cost
half as much... many manufacturers don't meet that "requirement".
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Date: 08 Sep 2007 05:20:38
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 7, 7:54 am, Paul Myron Hobson <phob...@gatech.edu > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
> >> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index....
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.p...
>
> Well, you gotta go through a couple of throw aways before you find the
> idea that you really want to keep? Maybe?
They already did that with pedal design..got a good one now..why they
want to make such a silly idea, that does nothing new but emphasizes
'unique to this wheel' parts, is silly...but their $.
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 14:21:48
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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In article <1189254038.358764.282030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com >,
"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Sep 7, 7:54 am, Paul Myron Hobson <phob...@gatech.edu> wrote:
> > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
> >
> > > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
> > >> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
> >
> > >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index....
> >
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.p...
> >
> > Well, you gotta go through a couple of throw aways before you find the
> > idea that you really want to keep? Maybe?
>
> They already did that with pedal design..got a good one now..why they
> want to make such a silly idea, that does nothing new but emphasizes
> 'unique to this wheel' parts, is silly...but their $.
Well...they modified their bearing configuration so it didn't have the
first-gen wear problems. Other than that, the concept has been
remarkably stable. I suspect that the basic steel Egg Beater still uses
the same tooling as day one, unless it has worn out.
What has changed is that an endless stream of new pedal bodies that go
around the Egg Beater part are now on offer.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 23:16:16
From: Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1189169449.155517.169720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
>
Rip-off of Rolf's paired spokes?
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Date: 08 Sep 2007 02:45:08
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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In article <1189169449.155517.169720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >,
"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote:
> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
Well, I'm not sure that axiom is necessarily reasonable or right. Had it
been in place at Apple, they would never have entered the portable music
player market, or the music-over-the-internet market.
As for Crank Brothers, they're most famous for their pedals. Those
pedals, if I remember correctly, were about their third product line,
after their multi-tools and their speed lever (maybe their pump was
third).
That said, this design looks weird. But it's a clever way to make a
really good tubeless rim. And it can be trued with a conventional spoke
wrench!
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 08 Sep 2007 02:18:54
From:
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 7, 4:47 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> messagenews:1189169449.155517.169720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> What do they weigh?
Hank Crank: 175 pounds, Tony (The Tank) Crank: 210
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 14:47:50
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1189169449.155517.169720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
>
What do they weigh?
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 12:41:40
From: Colin Campbell
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
>
Well, I wish the rims were more conventional - I'm a sucker for a
beautiful blue!
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 08:25:19
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 7, 7:50 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
You beat me to it. I saw these wheels on Cycling News and wondered
"How do people think these things up?" Even if I spent all day week
after week trying to come up with the wackiest wheel idea possible, I
could not dream up such things. It must be a skill to be that
imaginative.
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 15:04:36
From: landotter
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 7, 9:18 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
>
>
> > > I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> > yeegads....
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> It's for selling!
/veloklaxon!
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 14:22:20
From: landotter
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 7, 9:02 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Sep 7, 7:18 am, "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com"
>
>
>
> <joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 7, 2:53 pm, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> > <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> > > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> > > > I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> > > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> > > yeegads....
>
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> > That MUST be a joke.
>
> > Joseph
>
> Steel-good, aluminum-better..mix, better still...
It should be far more dynamic!
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 11:32:42
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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In article
<1189174940.327000.125130@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com > ,
landotter <landotter@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 7, 9:02 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 7, 7:18 am, "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com"
>> <joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 7, 2:53 pm, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>>> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>>
>>>>> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>>
>>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>>
>>>> yeegads....
>>
>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>>
>>> That MUST be a joke.
>>
>> Steel-good, aluminum-better..mix, better still...
>
> It should be far more dynamic!
Stiffer handling and a more compliant ride.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 14:18:16
From: landotter
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 7, 7:50 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
How compliant is it?
[/gag!]
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 14:18:15
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>
> > I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> yeegads....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
It's for selling!
Chalo
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 07:02:03
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 7, 7:18 am, "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com"
<joseph.santanie...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 7, 2:53 pm, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> > > I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> > yeegads....
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> That MUST be a joke.
>
> Joseph
Steel-good, aluminum-better..mix, better still...
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 06:18:01
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Sep 7, 2:53 pm, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> > I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> yeegads....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
That MUST be a joke.
Joseph
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 05:53:00
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
yeegads....
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_wheel_half_spokes
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 12:07:31
From:
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:53:00 -0700, "Qui si parla
Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote:
>
>Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
>
>yeegads....
>
>http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_wheel_half_spokes
Dear Peter,
Actually, it's just a return to classic wheelbuilding at its finest!
The first tensioned wheels by Starley used the vee-spoke looped
through an eyelet on the rim:
http://www.arielcycles.me.uk/history/images/starley03-3.jpg
Spokes that unscrew like pool cues were a clever way to allow
replacing broken spokes on cross-7 high-wheelers:
http://i3.tinypic.com/5ymzs40.jpg
With that many spokes, putting pairs of spoke-holes next to each other
on the hub xx xx xx xx was another trick to allow 7x lacing
without one spoke covering the head of another spoke--not a problem
with the modern low spoke-count wheel from Crank Brothers.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 09:54:53
From: Paul Myron Hobson
Subject: Re: "Do one thing and do it well"
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>> I guess is lost on Crank Bros....
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.p...
Well, you gotta go through a couple of throw aways before you find the
idea that you really want to keep? Maybe?
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