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Date: 05 Oct 2007 14:58:52
From: landotter
Subject: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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My dearest saddle has broken a rail. I knew it would happen, but still
a pisser. Lifted the bike by the saddle, shell came off of rail, tried
to muscle shell back on, broke rail. D'oh!
So I'm wondering if it's practical and even economical to get a
machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the rails. There's
no welding, just these two friction fit rails in the nylon shell.
Probably not, eh? It's a NOS vintage saddle that I got last year.
Simply the best shape I've ever ridden. 2mm padding, real leather, and
a compliant (and vertically stiff!) nylon shell.
On another note, that Euro sure has driven up Rolls prices, eh? Seemed
like you could get a cromo version for just $45 or so.
I'm probably going to try that E3 saddle from Performance in the
meantime. The word "gel" makes me giggle, but the shape looks
promising.
http://tinyurl.com/2latcn
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 00:31:40
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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landotter <landotter@gmail.com > writes:
>My dearest saddle has broken a rail. I knew it would happen, but still
>a pisser. Lifted the bike by the saddle, shell came off of rail, tried
>to muscle shell back on, broke rail. D'oh!
I bet if you take it to a bikeshop and go through their 'dead saddle'
bin you can probably find some cro-mo rails that would work fit your
saddle. ALU rails never last. Repaired ALU rails also never last.
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA, USA
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 18:57:28
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 8:44 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 1:58 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 5, 9:58 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > My dearest saddle has broken a rail. I knew it would happen, but still
> > > a pisser. Lifted the bike by the saddle, shell came off of rail, tried
> > > to muscle shell back on, broke rail. D'oh!
>
> > > So I'm wondering if it's practical and even economical to get a
> > > machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the rails. There's
> > > no welding, just these two friction fit rails in the nylon shell.
> > > Probably not, eh? It's a NOS vintage saddle that I got last year.
> > > Simply the best shape I've ever ridden. 2mm padding, real leather, and
> > > a compliant (and vertically stiff!) nylon shell.
>
> > > On another note, that Euro sure has driven up Rolls prices, eh? Seemed
> > > like you could get a cromo version for just $45 or so.
>
> > > I'm probably going to try that E3 saddle from Performance in the
> > > meantime. The word "gel" makes me giggle, but the shape looks
> > > promising.
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2latcn
>
> > Nashbar has the non-gel version for $54.99, item E3-FT. Avoid the
> > gel!!!!
>
> Snorf. I know it's gimmicky, but is it really that bad? I do remember
> the horrorshows of the late 80s, the gel saddles and the even more
> hysterical gel stretchy covers. We used to joke that it was like
> riding on tits.
IME, the crap breaks down in pretty short order. I don't think they
have high mileage riders/long term ownership in mind when they stuff
gel into a saddle; the people who buy them go through saddles the way
cops go through doughnuts, always searching for the "perfect saddle".
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 01:50:14
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 2:56 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 9:58 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My dearest saddle has broken a rail. I knew it would happen, but still
> > a pisser. Lifted the bike by the saddle, shell came off of rail, tried
> > to muscle shell back on, broke rail. D'oh!
>
> Should have taken it off the post first. D'oh. Forgot that they were
> aluminum rails. Managed to reassemble the mess with the saddle 4mm
> forward so the crack is inside the clamp. Should be enough for an
> afternoon ride. Maybe I'll just sacrifice the post and JB Weld
> everything together. :-P (only half joking)
I did a 20 miler in 60 minutes with this setup and had no problems--I
actually enjoyed being over the pedals a bit more, as I'm a spinner at
20-23mph with this gearing. Looks like I'll get it welded, as it held
up quite nicely with just a clamping. Oh, the relief! It was pretty
stressful to fall in love with an obscure, but butt friendly perch in
the first place, but now I see that there's good options for this
marriage.
Thanks everybody!
:-D
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 01:44:01
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 1:58 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 9:58 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My dearest saddle has broken a rail. I knew it would happen, but still
> > a pisser. Lifted the bike by the saddle, shell came off of rail, tried
> > to muscle shell back on, broke rail. D'oh!
>
> > So I'm wondering if it's practical and even economical to get a
> > machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the rails. There's
> > no welding, just these two friction fit rails in the nylon shell.
> > Probably not, eh? It's a NOS vintage saddle that I got last year.
> > Simply the best shape I've ever ridden. 2mm padding, real leather, and
> > a compliant (and vertically stiff!) nylon shell.
>
> > On another note, that Euro sure has driven up Rolls prices, eh? Seemed
> > like you could get a cromo version for just $45 or so.
>
> > I'm probably going to try that E3 saddle from Performance in the
> > meantime. The word "gel" makes me giggle, but the shape looks
> > promising.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2latcn
>
> Nashbar has the non-gel version for $54.99, item E3-FT. Avoid the
> gel!!!!
Snorf. I know it's gimmicky, but is it really that bad? I do remember
the horrorshows of the late 80s, the gel saddles and the even more
hysterical gel stretchy covers. We used to joke that it was like
riding on tits.
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 01:41:41
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 3:55 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 4:47 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 5, 3:03 pm, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 5, 2:45 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 5, 1:27 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > "landotter" wrote: (Clip) So I'm wondering if it's practical and even
>
> > > > > economical to get a machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the
> > > > > rails. (clip)
> > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > Consider welding the break.
>
> > > > It's aluminum unfortunately. It just seemed like maybe a good
> > > > machinist could wup up a couple of these rails in a few minutes with
> > > > the proper shop brakes and whatnot. Oh, well, I guess I wore out my
> > > > luck this week fixing my front load washing machine for $50 instead of
> > > > the $300 the yurpeen 'pliance people would charge.
>
> > > A good machine shop should still be able to weld Al almost as easily
> > > as steel.
>
> > > nate
>
> > There's an idea. Think it'll be strong enough, though?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> A good machine shop will be able to weld it strong enough. They may
> tell you they can make another for equal or less $, however. Try to
> find an "in" with a shop somehow. If you know anyone who works in an
> industry that has them using the same machine shop all the time, they
> should be able to slide in a "personal project" like this and get you
> a real good price, as opposed to just walking into some place off the
> street and getting the brush-off price. If it were me and I liked the
> saddle that much I'd have it fixed.
I do love this saddle. It's just perfect for my anatomy. I've taken
your advice and put out a feeler on the local NG for a machine
shop. :-)
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 20:55:43
From: DanKMTB@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 4:47 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 3:03 pm, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 5, 2:45 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 5, 1:27 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "landotter" wrote: (Clip) So I'm wondering if it's practical and even
>
> > > > economical to get a machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the
> > > > rails. (clip)
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > Consider welding the break.
>
> > > It's aluminum unfortunately. It just seemed like maybe a good
> > > machinist could wup up a couple of these rails in a few minutes with
> > > the proper shop brakes and whatnot. Oh, well, I guess I wore out my
> > > luck this week fixing my front load washing machine for $50 instead of
> > > the $300 the yurpeen 'pliance people would charge.
>
> > A good machine shop should still be able to weld Al almost as easily
> > as steel.
>
> > nate
>
> There's an idea. Think it'll be strong enough, though?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
A good machine shop will be able to weld it strong enough. They may
tell you they can make another for equal or less $, however. Try to
find an "in" with a shop somehow. If you know anyone who works in an
industry that has them using the same machine shop all the time, they
should be able to slide in a "personal project" like this and get you
a real good price, as opposed to just walking into some place off the
street and getting the brush-off price. If it were me and I liked the
saddle that much I'd have it fixed.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 20:47:31
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 3:03 pm, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 2:45 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 5, 1:27 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > "landotter" wrote: (Clip) So I'm wondering if it's practical and even
>
> > > economical to get a machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the
> > > rails. (clip)
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > Consider welding the break.
>
> > It's aluminum unfortunately. It just seemed like maybe a good
> > machinist could wup up a couple of these rails in a few minutes with
> > the proper shop brakes and whatnot. Oh, well, I guess I wore out my
> > luck this week fixing my front load washing machine for $50 instead of
> > the $300 the yurpeen 'pliance people would charge.
>
> A good machine shop should still be able to weld Al almost as easily
> as steel.
>
> nate
There's an idea. Think it'll be strong enough, though?
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 13:03:14
From: N8N
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 2:45 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 1:27 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > "landotter" wrote: (Clip) So I'm wondering if it's practical and even
>
> > economical to get a machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the
> > rails. (clip)
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Consider welding the break.
>
> It's aluminum unfortunately. It just seemed like maybe a good
> machinist could wup up a couple of these rails in a few minutes with
> the proper shop brakes and whatnot. Oh, well, I guess I wore out my
> luck this week fixing my front load washing machine for $50 instead of
> the $300 the yurpeen 'pliance people would charge.
A good machine shop should still be able to weld Al almost as easily
as steel.
nate
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 19:56:28
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 9:58 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> My dearest saddle has broken a rail. I knew it would happen, but still
> a pisser. Lifted the bike by the saddle, shell came off of rail, tried
> to muscle shell back on, broke rail. D'oh!
Should have taken it off the post first. D'oh. Forgot that they were
aluminum rails. Managed to reassemble the mess with the saddle 4mm
forward so the crack is inside the clamp. Should be enough for an
afternoon ride. Maybe I'll just sacrifice the post and JB Weld
everything together. :-P (only half joking)
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 11:58:09
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 9:58 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> My dearest saddle has broken a rail. I knew it would happen, but still
> a pisser. Lifted the bike by the saddle, shell came off of rail, tried
> to muscle shell back on, broke rail. D'oh!
>
> So I'm wondering if it's practical and even economical to get a
> machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the rails. There's
> no welding, just these two friction fit rails in the nylon shell.
> Probably not, eh? It's a NOS vintage saddle that I got last year.
> Simply the best shape I've ever ridden. 2mm padding, real leather, and
> a compliant (and vertically stiff!) nylon shell.
>
> On another note, that Euro sure has driven up Rolls prices, eh? Seemed
> like you could get a cromo version for just $45 or so.
>
> I'm probably going to try that E3 saddle from Performance in the
> meantime. The word "gel" makes me giggle, but the shape looks
> promising.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2latcn
Nashbar has the non-gel version for $54.99, item E3-FT. Avoid the
gel!!!!
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 18:45:12
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 1:27 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
> "landotter" wrote: (Clip) So I'm wondering if it's practical and even
>
> economical to get a machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the
> rails. (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Consider welding the break.
It's aluminum unfortunately. It just seemed like maybe a good
machinist could wup up a couple of these rails in a few minutes with
the proper shop brakes and whatnot. Oh, well, I guess I wore out my
luck this week fixing my front load washing machine for $50 instead of
the $300 the yurpeen 'pliance people would charge.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 18:27:10
From: Leo Lichtman
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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"landotter" wrote: (Clip) So I'm wondering if it's practical and even
economical to get a machine shop to bend me some steel rods to replace the
rails. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Consider welding the break.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 16:05:12
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 10:50 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 7:58 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm probably going to try that E3 saddle from Performance in the
> > meantime. The word "gel" makes me giggle, but the shape looks
> > promising.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2latcn
>
> I had one of the non-gel Ti rail ones, but didn't like it. To get your
> sit bones on the widest part is tricky, because it gets narrower the
> further back you go.
>
> But maybe it's just me, because after that, I tried a San Marco Blaze,
> which was wide enough but too hard. I finally said screw the extra
> half-pound ond put a Brooks Team Pro on it. Comfortable as all my
> other Brooks..es.
>
> What model is your broken saddle?
Selle Royale Prestige. It was NOS from maybe '80 or so. Sorta an
amalgam between a Rolls, Turbo, and a Unicanitor. I'll try the E3,
it's cheap enough, and I'm not planning on any centuries this fall. If
it doesn't work out, I'll get a Rolls.
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 14:37:18
From: Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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"landotter" <landotter@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1191600312.426527.156400@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 5, 10:50 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>> On Oct 5, 7:58 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm probably going to try that E3 saddle from Performance in the
>> > meantime. The word "gel" makes me giggle, but the shape looks
>> > promising.
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/2latcn
>>
>> I had one of the non-gel Ti rail ones, but didn't like it. To get your
>> sit bones on the widest part is tricky, because it gets narrower the
>> further back you go.
>>
>> But maybe it's just me, because after that, I tried a San Marco Blaze,
>> which was wide enough but too hard. I finally said screw the extra
>> half-pound ond put a Brooks Team Pro on it. Comfortable as all my
>> other Brooks..es.
>>
>> What model is your broken saddle?
>
> Selle Royale Prestige. It was NOS from maybe '80 or so. Sorta an
> amalgam between a Rolls, Turbo, and a Unicanitor. I'll try the E3,
> it's cheap enough, and I'm not planning on any centuries this fall. If
> it doesn't work out, I'll get a Rolls.
>
I have the same one, although mine is suede. Sweet saddle.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 08:50:19
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Fabricate saddle rails? (alternately: death of a dear Selle Royale)
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On Oct 5, 7:58 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I'm probably going to try that E3 saddle from Performance in the
> meantime. The word "gel" makes me giggle, but the shape looks
> promising.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2latcn
I had one of the non-gel Ti rail ones, but didn't like it. To get your
sit bones on the widest part is tricky, because it gets narrower the
further back you go.
But maybe it's just me, because after that, I tried a San Marco Blaze,
which was wide enough but too hard. I finally said screw the extra
half-pound ond put a Brooks Team Pro on it. Comfortable as all my
other Brooks..es.
What model is your broken saddle?
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