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Date: 27 Aug 2007 13:50:58
From: Tom Nakashima
Subject: Guys or Girls saddle?
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I couldn't resist.
I have advertised a Sella Italia Turbo saddle in Bianchi celeste color.
I just had a question asked if it was a guys or girls saddle?
How does one distinguish between a girls saddle or guy's saddle?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180153268801&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11
Thought all Turbo saddles back then were unisex.
-tom
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 07:23:41
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Guys or Girls saddle?
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
> ...
> I just had a question asked if it was a guys or girls saddle?
> How does one distinguish between a girls saddle or guy's saddle?
> .....
> Thought all Turbo saddles back then were unisex.
Smell.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 00:54:54
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Guys or Girls saddle?
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
> I couldn't resist.
> I have advertised a Sella Italia Turbo saddle in Bianchi celeste color.
> I just had a question asked if it was a guys or girls saddle?
> How does one distinguish between a girls saddle or guy's saddle?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180153268801&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11
> Thought all Turbo saddles back then were unisex.
formerly 'narrow', 'medium' 'wide' are now 'triathlon', 'men's'
'ladies'' models. Marketing nomenclature only. Some men with upright
bars prefer wider saddles just as some women riding in an aero position
prefer narrow ones.
Saddle shown is a 'Turbo', not the 'Turbo Lady' model.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 18:32:12
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Guys or Girls saddle?
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"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu > wrote in message
news:favdfi$qmd$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> I couldn't resist.
> I have advertised a Sella Italia Turbo saddle in Bianchi celeste color.
> I just had a question asked if it was a guys or girls saddle?
> How does one distinguish between a girls saddle or guy's saddle?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180153268801&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11
> Thought all Turbo saddles back then were unisex.
> -tom
>
>
The Ischial Tuberosities or Pelvic Protuberances also know as "Sits Bones"
are 2 points at the bottom rear of the pelvis. They are generally wider
in women than in men to allow the passage of a child's head during birth.
With a proper fitting saddle that is correctly adjusted you should be
siting on these points and not feeling uncomfortable pressure or numbness
in other areas of your posterior or groinal region. There's not much
tissue or enervation over these points and they "should" toughen up after
a few weeks of riding.
Here's what Jobst had to say about it back in 1996:
http://yarchive.net/bike/seats.html
Avocet is given credit for marketing the first saddles designed for women
in the mid 1970s. They had a shorter overall length and wider sitting area
in the rear. French and British leather saddle makers were producing
saddles anatomically designed for women for perhaps 100 years before
Avocet came along ( Carl Fogel can document this).
Everyone's anatomy is different so some women can ride comfortably on
saddles designed for men and vise-versa.
I rode an Avocet women's saddle on my off road bike when they first came
out about 1975 or 76. The women's models were available before the men's
version. I found that the cheapest men's Avocet model was the best for me
on my off road bike.
The round top plastic "ass hatchet" seats that came on imported Bike Boom
bikes were the biggest deterrent to people riding their bikes. Some guys
must like round top saddles but they put "everything" to sleep for me.
I tried at least a dozen different saddles during that time including
Cinelli Unicanitor, Ideale plastic and leather seats plus others before I
got a used Brooks Pro which was perfect for me. I still ride on it.
These days I ride Brooks Pros but I've been switching to WBT Pure V
saddles with a flat top rear section like a Brooks Pro and a recessed
"Love Channel" down the middle. The nose is gel padded which gives junior
and the boys a smooth ride.
BTW, here's Keith Bontrager's patent for a bike seat:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5362126-description.html
Chas.
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 14:05:49
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Guys or Girls saddle?
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* * Chas wrote:
> .....
> BTW, here's Keith Bontrager's patent for a bike seat:
> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5362126-description.html
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I love this--the bicycle saddle makers have "solved" the problem of
bicycle saddles having too small a seating area by,,, -cutting some of
that area away, and making them even smaller. That does little for
actual comfort of course, but it does allow them to continue hyping
bicycle weights, which seems to be their main selling point these days.
Ten years from now K. Bontrager will be running with the pack and
reintroducing a "classic" seat without any cut-outs or cut-aways, and
asking for a patent saying that "it has more surface area to sit on,
resulting in improved comfort".
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 20:18:22
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Guys or Girls saddle?
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"DougC" <dcimper@norcom2000.com > wrote in message
news:6yEBi.445$A92.69@newsfe03.lga...
> * * Chas wrote:
> > .....
> > BTW, here's Keith Bontrager's patent for a bike seat:
> > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5362126-description.html
> >
>
> I love this--the bicycle saddle makers have "solved" the problem of
> bicycle saddles having too small a seating area by,,, -cutting some of
> that area away, and making them even smaller. That does little for
> actual comfort of course, but it does allow them to continue hyping
> bicycle weights, which seems to be their main selling point these days.
>
> Ten years from now K. Bontrager will be running with the pack and
> reintroducing a "classic" seat without any cut-outs or cut-aways, and
> asking for a patent saying that "it has more surface area to sit on,
> resulting in improved comfort".
> ~
I thought that it was an interesting bunch of crap too.
The main reason to get a patent today is not protection from having
someone steal your idea but to protect the inventor from being sued by
someone who gets a patent for a similar idea and markets it.
Chas.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 21:17:43
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Guys or Girls saddle?
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On Aug 27, 3:50 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
> I couldn't resist.
> I have advertised a Sella Italia Turbo saddle in Bianchi celeste color.
> I just had a question asked if it was a guys or girls saddle?
> How does one distinguish between a girls saddle or guy's saddle?http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180153268801&sspag...
> Thought all Turbo saddles back then were unisex.
I thought they were too. Tell them it's transgendered and trying to
"pass" before the final surgery. Nice saddle! Some Bianchi rider's
gonna be thrilled.
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