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Date: 06 Nov 2007 11:43:58
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Subject: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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Commuting last night from work home i got downhill over the highway
overpass and got a glancing
blow from a VW microbus and hit the asphalt:
people are anxious to get into a left turnoff lane over there
over two lanes of traffic one of which i happened to occupy.
Mysteriously enough i got holy underpants while i could not find any
holes in the jeans that were
naturally on top. I also have a small hole in the nylon jacket sleeve.
What i believe i need besides an auxiliary construction-zone-grade
headlight to augment
the cateye led light on the helmet i wore at the time is a light
denier cordura jacket and pants.
preferably with a goretex layer sandwiched between the cordura layers
on the jacket.
The protection is naturally against the road rash, not against the 4
wheelers.
Are there bicycle jackets padded with soft or even hard armor?
On the pants i need heap padding and knee padding.
On the jacket i want elbow padding. Shoulder padding would be nice to
have too.
I don't want to haul heavy and sweat inducing motorcycle gear.
Should i call the guy who hit me to get reimbursement for the jacket?
He did not hit and run so i kinda don't want to penalize him for $80
jacket
partially toast.
Thanks for your opinions.
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Date: 13 Nov 2007 20:59:15
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On Nov 10, 5:37 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com >
wrote:
> snd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > ...
> > I wonder if I should do an all american thing of suing the city
> > for them painting the solid white line (crossing is discouraged)
> > between lanes 2 and 3 instead of something like a double
> > yellow....
>
> Are the pavement markings in compliance with the Manual on Uniform
> Traffic Control Devices and the AASHTO "Green Book"? If not, you have a
> case, otherwise, no.
>
The manual seems to describe the traffic control gadgets but not how
to use them.
Is green book an idiot proof manual to civil engineers on how to do
city street planning?
I seem to live in a part of town that was designed by an F student.
It's particularly bad near the office but the site crash is another
fine
example of a moron-found-employment scenario
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Date: 13 Nov 2007 20:14:29
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 10, 5:37 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> snd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I wonder if I should do an all american thing of suing the city
>>> for them painting the solid white line (crossing is discouraged)
>>> between lanes 2 and 3 instead of something like a double
>>> yellow....
>> Are the pavement markings in compliance with the Manual on Uniform
>> Traffic Control Devices and the AASHTO "Green Book"? If not, you have a
>> case, otherwise, no.
>>
> The manual seems to describe the traffic control gadgets but not how
> to use them.
> Is green book an idiot proof manual to civil engineers on how to do
> city street planning?...
Civil engineers are expected to design to the common "standard of care",
otherwise they can be considered negligent. For roadway design this
means following the standards of the AASHTO "Green Book" [1], unless
specific justification can be made otherwise.
[1] <http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/programadmin/y2kgb.htm >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 05:32:13
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> Commuting last night from work home i got downhill over the highway
> overpass and got a glancing
> blow from a VW microbus and hit the asphalt:
> people are anxious to get into a left turnoff lane over there
> over two lanes of traffic one of which i happened to occupy.
>
> Mysteriously enough i got holy underpants while i could not find any
> holes in the jeans that were
> naturally on top. I also have a small hole in the nylon jacket sleeve.
>
> What i believe i need besides an auxiliary construction-zone-grade
> headlight to augment
> the cateye led light on the helmet i wore at the time is a light
> denier cordura jacket and pants.
> preferably with a goretex layer sandwiched between the cordura layers
> on the jacket.
> The protection is naturally against the road rash, not against the 4
> wheelers....
I took a spill once searing a Gore-Tex jacket. The exterior shell was
undamaged, but the interior mesh removed a few layers of skin at the
point where I first made contact with the ground.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 21:29:15
From:
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Nov 8, 12:18 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris)
wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:25:36 -0000 in rec.bicycles.tech,
>
> snd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > gotta look for mountain biking gear. hoping there is some
> > with built in padding.
>
> padding will do no good. you simply have to assume that they
> never see you, even when they look you in the eyes. seriously.
>
> i had a guy pull alongside at me, i looked directly at him, right
> in the eyes, wearing a yellow helmet, yellow jacket, blinky on
> back of helmet, and he turns to the right directly in front of me
> and then tells me he didn't see me!
>
> cagers' brains are turned off. you have to ride as if you're
> invisible, not overheat yourself with a bunch of useless padding.
i beg to differ. I had a LOT of solo crashes off a motorcycle back
when
i was into that sport and i never had an injury after i learned the
hard way
that plain jeans are not enough. This was a really mild crash compared
to what i had subjected myself to when riding downhill in the
mountains.
Or it looks this way until i get to the knee and possibly hip x-rays.
No shortie gloves for me since the last solo crash: i nearly skinned
the
whole pinkie just because it felt a tad too hot and i switched to
a cutoff version of the gloves at the last moment.
as for the cagers, i think you're preaching to the choir.
thanks for all the advice. maybe i'll have to x-ray my elbow too just
for
the sake of completeness and a peace of mind.
it looks like bicycling on public roads is a couple of times more
dangerous than motorcycling due to the lack of protective gears
and comparable speeds in turns (that and inability to keep up
with the traffic on the straights) :-(
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 22:37:43
From: Dennis P. Harris
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:29:15 -0000 in rec.bicycles.tech,
sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> it looks like bicycling on public roads is a couple of times more
> dangerous than motorcycling
no it's not, but you obviously don't want to be confused by the
facts. PLONK.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 22:36:47
From: Dennis P. Harris
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:29:15 -0000 in rec.bicycles.tech,
sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> i beg to differ. I had a LOT of solo crashes off a motorcycle back
> when
> i was into that sport and i never had an injury after i learned the
> hard way
> that plain jeans are not enough.
motorcycle crashes usually occur at much higher speeds, and
you're not working up a sweat. motorcycling and bicycling are
entirely different.
but if you insist on loading yourself up with extra weight and
far too much insulation, that's your problem. you obviously have
your mind made up about this and don't want to listen to reason.
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 00:34:41
From: _
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:29:15 -0000, sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> it looks like bicycling on public roads is a couple of times more
> dangerous than motorcycling due to the lack of protective gears
> and comparable speeds in turns (that and inability to keep up
> with the traffic on the straights) :-(
No.
Not if you o by the figures for death rates per million hours; cycling (all
forms) is about 0.25, motor-cycling on roads is almost 9.
The odds of surviving a collision with a motor vehicle also bear this out -
for cyclists it is about 3 times more likely.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 12:14:39
From: amakyonin
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Nov 7, 4:25 pm, snd...@gmail.com wrote:
> to help visualize:
>
> Intersection
>
>
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 11:56:27
From: amakyonin
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Nov 7, 12:21 pm, "Nigel Cliffe" <m...@privacy.net > wrote:
> Or decent LED light system designed to illuminate the road. Plenty of those
> in Europe.
LEDs are really overrated as a primary white light source. They are OK
as a backup or in a well lighted urban area but they cannot compare to
a halogen in terms of energy efficiency for an equivalent light
output. The 5W Luxeons are the only LEDs close to halogen in terms of
lumens/watt but the catch is that they have a 1000h half-life. Of
course, HID trumps everything else for efficiency.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 20:14:38
From: Nigel Cliffe
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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amakyonin wrote:
> On Nov 7, 12:21 pm, "Nigel Cliffe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Or decent LED light system designed to illuminate the road. Plenty
>> of those in Europe.
>
> LEDs are really overrated as a primary white light source. They are OK
> as a backup or in a well lighted urban area but they cannot compare to
> a halogen in terms of energy efficiency for an equivalent light
> output. The 5W Luxeons are the only LEDs close to halogen in terms of
> lumens/watt but the catch is that they have a 1000h half-life. Of
> course, HID trumps everything else for efficiency.
Your views are interesting, but you'd have to explain the vast number of
European suppliers of lighting systems which use high brightness LEDs in
preference to halogens in both battery and generator (dynamo) systems.
B&M recently released a LED front generator lamp which puts out 40Lux
(German standard test) compared to the 17Lux of their previous halogen lamp.
Both powered by a German standard generator, which is 2.4W at 6V to the
front, 0.6W to the rear lamp. The LED lamp is over twice the brightness of
the halogen for same power input. Independent reviewers report it does work
well.
HID exists, but only at very high prices and fairly high battery consumption
rates. For ordinary use its overkill.
I live in an area with no streetlamps and have no problems with visibility
or being seen.
- Nigel
--
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 21:25:36
From:
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Nov 7, 2:57 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris)
wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:43:58 -0800 in rec.bicycles.tech,
>
> snd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Should i call the guy who hit me to get reimbursement for the jacket?
> > He did not hit and run so i kinda don't want to penalize him for $80
> > jacket
> > partially toast.
>
> Hell yes. And are you absolutely certain that you weren't
> injured? Some injuries (especially spinal injuries) are not
> immediately apparent.
The knee feels strange. I'm not sure if some old problem resurfaced
or it was prompted by the accident. I'll give the raspberries some
time
to disappear before i make any judgment whether there is any permanent
damage even if i be able to tell by then.
I'm in the States (right hand drive country).
to help visualize:
Intersection
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 05:37:43
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
> I wonder if I should do an all american thing of suing the city
> for them painting the solid white line (crossing is discouraged)
> between lanes 2 and 3 instead of something like a double
> yellow....
Are the pavement markings in compliance with the Manual on Uniform
Traffic Control Devices and the AASHTO "Green Book"? If not, you have a
case, otherwise, no.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 23:18:16
From: Dennis P. Harris
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:25:36 -0000 in rec.bicycles.tech,
sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> gotta look for mountain biking gear. hoping there is some
> with built in padding.
padding will do no good. you simply have to assume that they
never see you, even when they look you in the eyes. seriously.
i had a guy pull alongside at me, i looked directly at him, right
in the eyes, wearing a yellow helmet, yellow jacket, blinky on
back of helmet, and he turns to the right directly in front of me
and then tells me he didn't see me!
cagers' brains are turned off. you have to ride as if you're
invisible, not overheat yourself with a bunch of useless padding.
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 23:15:20
From: Dennis P. Harris
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:25:36 -0000 in rec.bicycles.tech,
sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> The knee feels strange. I'm not sure if some old problem resurfaced
> or it was prompted by the accident. I'll give the raspberries some
> time
> to disappear before i make any judgment whether there is any permanent
> damage even if i be able to tell by then.
uhhh....no. GO TO A DOCTOR NOW. seriously. make sure you have
the driver's insurance info, because his insurance should pay for
it.
then, AFTER the xray, and a discussion with the doctor, you will
know if you need a lawyer. i know you will think you won't but
his insurance company will have many of them, weasels wanting to
rip your flesh, so if you are injured at all, you will need a
personal injury attorney. it will cost you nothing because they
work on a percentage of the settlement.
i'm serious about this. this is the voice of experience talking.
old injuries come back to haunt you years later, when YOU have to
pay for treatment.
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 09:04:01
From: amakyonin
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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It isn't clear from your description what the traffic situation was
when you were hit. It seems like you are in a right-hand drive country
and were left-hooked by a driver aproaching a turning lane from behind
you. There are two things you can do to deal with this problem.
1) Take the lane. You can't get hooked if a driver can't pass you.
Doing this at night means that you must be extremely visible. You
should also not be riding through a turning lane if your intent is to
go straight through the intersection.
2) Have appropriate lighting for riding at night. Reflectors are
undependable. You only mention having an LED helmet light. These are
essentially useless for drivers approaching from the rear. You must
have a bright taillight (Use LEDs even if "banned" as in the UK). It
also helps immensely to augment with side facing lights as provided by
something like the hokey spoke wheel lights. Finally You should have a
more powerful halogen or HID front headlight system that projects a
visible pool of light in front of the bike.
Give up on the idea of using motorcycle gear on a bicycle. You will
get too hot and have too much restriction of movement for it to be
worthwhile.
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 17:21:28
From: Nigel Cliffe
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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amakyonin wrote:
> 2) Have appropriate lighting for riding at night. Reflectors are
> undependable. You only mention having an LED helmet light. These are
> essentially useless for drivers approaching from the rear. You must
> have a bright taillight (Use LEDs even if "banned" as in the UK).
Out of date.
Red flashing LED tail lights are legal in the UK, as are white flashing
front.
(It took a long while for regulations to catch up with use).
> Finally You should
> have a
> more powerful halogen or HID front headlight system that projects a
> visible pool of light in front of the bike.
Or decent LED light system designed to illuminate the road. Plenty of those
in Europe.
--
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 08:00:25
From: thejen12
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Nov 6, 11:43 am, snd...@gmail.com wrote:
> Commuting last night from work home i got downhill over the highway
> overpass and got a glancing
> blow from a VW microbus and hit the asphalt:
> people are anxious to get into a left turnoff lane over there
> over two lanes of traffic one of which i happened to occupy.
>
> Mysteriously enough i got holy underpants while i could not find any
> holes in the jeans that were
> naturally on top. I also have a small hole in the nylon jacket sleeve.
>
> What i believe i need besides an auxiliary construction-zone-grade
> headlight to augment
> the cateye led light on the helmet i wore at the time is a light
> denier cordura jacket and pants.
> preferably with a goretex layer sandwiched between the cordura layers
> on the jacket.
> The protection is naturally against the road rash, not against the 4
> wheelers.
>
> Are there bicycle jackets padded with soft or even hard armor?
> On the pants i need heap padding and knee padding.
> On the jacket i want elbow padding. Shoulder padding would be nice to
> have too.
> I don't want to haul heavy and sweat inducing motorcycle gear.
>
> Should i call the guy who hit me to get reimbursement for the jacket?
> He did not hit and run so i kinda don't want to penalize him for $80
> jacket
> partially toast.
>
> Thanks for your opinions.
What about gear made for downhill mountain biking? I think it has
some padding built in.
Jenn
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 01:57:22
From: Dennis P. Harris
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:43:58 -0800 in rec.bicycles.tech,
sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> Should i call the guy who hit me to get reimbursement for the jacket?
> He did not hit and run so i kinda don't want to penalize him for $80
> jacket
> partially toast.
>
Hell yes. And are you absolutely certain that you weren't
injured? Some injuries (especially spinal injuries) are not
immediately apparent.
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 11:15:05
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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> sndive@gmail.com wrote:
>> Should i call the guy who hit me to get reimbursement for the jacket?
>> He did not hit and run so i kinda don't want to penalize him for $80
>> jacket
>> partially toast.
Dennis P. Harris wrote:
> Hell yes. And are you absolutely certain that you weren't
> injured? Some injuries (especially spinal injuries) are not
> immediately apparent.
Yes, that's very true. Good reason to establish what happened but not
rush to settle.
OTOH there is feckless and then there's malicious. If the driver is a
decent contrite mensch, the actual value of the loss is probably a
reasonable settlement.
If he's antagonistic, my first attorney long ago would ask, "What were
you going to do today instead of spending the afternoon here? Your time
has value, add that in."
A wise woman indeed.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 17:09:41
From: RS
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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I've come to the conclusion the only way to ride around City streets without
getting hit is to assume all drivers are blind, drunk, stupid, mean, their
medication is coming on, their medication is wearing off, stop sighs mean
nothing, stop lights mean nothing, they will pull out at random, they will stop at
random, etc. Essentially they can't see me but they're trying to hit me anyway.
My brother was killed riding in his lane by an oncoming motorcycle last year.
Rick
In article <1194378238.024153.207030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com >,
sndive@gmail.com says...
>
>
>Commuting last night from work home i got downhill over the highway
>overpass and got a glancing
>blow from a VW microbus and hit the asphalt:
>people are anxious to get into a left turnoff lane over there
>over two lanes of traffic one of which i happened to occupy.
>
>Mysteriously enough i got holy underpants while i could not find any
>holes in the jeans that were
>naturally on top. I also have a small hole in the nylon jacket sleeve.
>
>What i believe i need besides an auxiliary construction-zone-grade
>headlight to augment
>the cateye led light on the helmet i wore at the time is a light
>denier cordura jacket and pants.
>preferably with a goretex layer sandwiched between the cordura layers
>on the jacket.
>The protection is naturally against the road rash, not against the 4
>wheelers.
>
>Are there bicycle jackets padded with soft or even hard armor?
>On the pants i need heap padding and knee padding.
>On the jacket i want elbow padding. Shoulder padding would be nice to
>have too.
>I don't want to haul heavy and sweat inducing motorcycle gear.
>
>Should i call the guy who hit me to get reimbursement for the jacket?
>He did not hit and run so i kinda don't want to penalize him for $80
>jacket
>partially toast.
>
>Thanks for your opinions.
>
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 06:02:06
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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In article
<M6CdnY5jooX_jazanZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@comcast.com >,
RS <r_schiller@comcast.net > wrote:
> I've come to the conclusion the only way to ride around City streets without
> getting hit is to assume all drivers are blind, drunk, stupid, mean, their
> medication is coming on, their medication is wearing off, stop sighs mean
> nothing, stop lights mean nothing, they will pull out at random, they will stop at
> random, etc. Essentially they can't see me but they're trying to hit me anyway.
Try not to top post. Do you know why it is discouraged?
Yeah. That is how I ride city streets. But I also
look for people of good will, since that represents
the huge majority.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 01:52:54
From: still me
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:02:06 GMT, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net >
wrote:
>
>Yeah. That is how I ride city streets. But I also
>look for people of good will, since that represents
>the huge majority.
But when that majority makes a mistake and nearly kills you, they
always get an attorney who says it's your fault because, well, it's
always the bicyclists fault for being anywhere near a road that cars
drive on.
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 22:31:56
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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Michael Press wrote:
> Try not to top post. Do you know why it is discouraged?
Because Frank will flame you for asking for consistency and clarity?
Ooops, no he won't. You're not me.
BS (noted)
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 23:46:52
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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In article <47315be5$0$9595$4c368faf@roadrunner.com >,
"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>
> > Try not to top post. Do you know why it is discouraged?
>
> Because Frank will flame you for asking for consistency and clarity?
>
> Ooops, no he won't. You're not me.
And what if I were?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 16:25:55
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article <47315be5$0$9595$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>
>>> Try not to top post. Do you know why it is discouraged?
>>
>> Because Frank will flame you for asking for consistency and clarity?
>>
>> Ooops, no he won't. You're not me.
>
> And what if I were?
You'd be ridiculed for asking someone to not top-post.
Bill "I thought that was pretty clear" S.
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 13:16:58
From: Tom Nakashima
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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<sndive@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1194378238.024153.207030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Are there bicycle jackets padded with soft or even hard armor?
> Thanks for your opinions.
And you won't have any problems tripping light sensors.
http://www.swordsandarmor.com/images/AR008_White_Knight_Armor.JPG
-tom
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 20:48:19
From:
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Nov 6, 2:35 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com > wrote:
> First, sorry to hear about your accident, and glad you're ok. Overall
so am i as you can imagine
> sounds like you faired really well, all things considered.
yep, two small raspberries and a massive bruise on the hip and butt.
> Anyway, it sounds to me like what you're looking for is motorcycle
> gear. My "summer" motorcycle jacket & pants are reasonably thin and
> very well ventilated, fwiw. Not exactly lycra or a white T shirt when
> riding in the summer sun, but nothing fitting your description will
> be. I'd at least swing into a motorcycle shop with a decent apparel
> line and try some stuff on before ruling the motorcycle gear out, if I
> were looking to take that route. Then again, I don't wear armor on
> the trails much less on the road, so we're looking through different
> windows so to speak. The jacket will have padding on the elbows and
> shoulders, and the pants will have padding on the hips and knees. The
> padding is usually removable.
>
> Re: penalizing the driver, they hit you with a motor vehicle while you
> were cycling. You're both very lucky that you were not seriously hurt
> or even killed. They're lucky you didn't call the ambulance and find
> a lawyer to help you dream up some neck pain, and in turn a monster
> lawsuit. Having them replace your jacket is trivial, I'd be sure they
> cover every last bit of your expense. Jacket, underwear, any wheel
> truing that needs to be done, etc. If hitting a cyclist only costs
the bicycle seems completely unscathed by the accident
but i'll wait for a few more days to assess the damage better
to make sure there are no side effects surfacing.
and my wife did not like those boxers anyway :-)
As for summer motorcycle jacket it won't work because i'm looking
for something rainproof just like the partially totalled jacket.
Breathable moto summer jackets would
let every bit of water thru the meshes.
Does kevlar have good abrasion resistance?
I wonder if i can fashion something out if the stuff
that can be found at TAP plastics (don't tell the style man)
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 09:40:38
From: Nigel Cliffe
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2:35 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> First, sorry to hear about your accident, and glad you're ok.
>> Overall
>
> so am i as you can imagine
>
>> sounds like you faired really well, all things considered.
>
> yep, two small raspberries and a massive bruise on the hip and butt.
>
>> Anyway, it sounds to me like what you're looking for is motorcycle
>> gear. My "summer" motorcycle jacket & pants are reasonably thin and
>> very well ventilated, fwiw. Not exactly lycra or a white T shirt
>> when riding in the summer sun, but nothing fitting your description
>> will be. I'd at least swing into a motorcycle shop with a decent
>> apparel line and try some stuff on before ruling the motorcycle gear
>> out, if I were looking to take that route. ..........
> As for summer motorcycle jacket it won't work because i'm looking
> for something rainproof just like the partially totalled jacket.
> Breathable moto summer jackets would
> let every bit of water thru the meshes.
My cordura motorcycle jacket has a breathable waterproof layer. Its proof
against letting in water in driving rain at 60mph+ for 20 to 30 minutes (I'd
not be riding the motorbike any further in the rain). Only thing against
is that I think it would be too heavy for cycling use.
> Does kevlar have good abrasion resistance?
What are you trying to achive ? If its tear resistance from the gravel you
need one thing, if its padding its another.
Cordura would be my starting point for tear resistance, perhaps as large
patches/pads applied over more conventional clothing. But stitching
anything over a waterproof will probably puncture the waterproofing.
- Nigel
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Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 20:35:16
From: DanKMTB@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Hit by a bus : looking for an armored jacket and pants
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On Nov 6, 2:43 pm, snd...@gmail.com wrote:
> Commuting last night from work home i got downhill over the highway
> overpass and got a glancing
> blow from a VW microbus and hit the asphalt:
> people are anxious to get into a left turnoff lane over there
> over two lanes of traffic one of which i happened to occupy.
>
> Mysteriously enough i got holy underpants while i could not find any
> holes in the jeans that were
> naturally on top. I also have a small hole in the nylon jacket sleeve.
>
> What i believe i need besides an auxiliary construction-zone-grade
> headlight to augment
> the cateye led light on the helmet i wore at the time is a light
> denier cordura jacket and pants.
> preferably with a goretex layer sandwiched between the cordura layers
> on the jacket.
> The protection is naturally against the road rash, not against the 4
> wheelers.
>
> Are there bicycle jackets padded with soft or even hard armor?
> On the pants i need heap padding and knee padding.
> On the jacket i want elbow padding. Shoulder padding would be nice to
> have too.
> I don't want to haul heavy and sweat inducing motorcycle gear.
>
> Should i call the guy who hit me to get reimbursement for the jacket?
> He did not hit and run so i kinda don't want to penalize him for $80
> jacket
> partially toast.
>
> Thanks for your opinions.
First, sorry to hear about your accident, and glad you're ok. Overall
sounds like you faired really well, all things considered.
Anyway, it sounds to me like what you're looking for is motorcycle
gear. My "summer" motorcycle jacket & pants are reasonably thin and
very well ventilated, fwiw. Not exactly lycra or a white T shirt when
riding in the summer sun, but nothing fitting your description will
be. I'd at least swing into a motorcycle shop with a decent apparel
line and try some stuff on before ruling the motorcycle gear out, if I
were looking to take that route. Then again, I don't wear armor on
the trails much less on the road, so we're looking through different
windows so to speak. The jacket will have padding on the elbows and
shoulders, and the pants will have padding on the hips and knees. The
padding is usually removable.
Re: penalizing the driver, they hit you with a motor vehicle while you
were cycling. You're both very lucky that you were not seriously hurt
or even killed. They're lucky you didn't call the ambulance and find
a lawyer to help you dream up some neck pain, and in turn a monster
lawsuit. Having them replace your jacket is trivial, I'd be sure they
cover every last bit of your expense. Jacket, underwear, any wheel
truing that needs to be done, etc. If hitting a cyclist only costs
them ~$100 at the end of the day, with no lawyers or driving points
involved, they just lucked out in a serious way. If I were that
motorist and my expenses totaled in around a c-note, I'd be going out
to celebrate my good fortune and I'd buy a lottery ticket on the way.
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