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Date: 25 Aug 2007 12:58:08
From: !Jones
Subject: Hub Center to Flange Center???
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I'm playing with a spoke calculator. Why do we need "Hub Center to
Flange Center"? What does it give me that I use in the wheel? If the
wheel is symmetric, then what difference does it make?
I'm looking at http://www.bikeschool.com/spokes/index.cgi
I also note that the distance between the flanges isn't an input. Can
I calculate the width of the wheel (meaning the flanges) from that?
I don't think I'm measuring it right.
Jones
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 05:53:10
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Hub Center to Flange Center???
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On Aug 25, 11:58 am, !Jones <p...@off.com > wrote:
> I'm playing with a spoke calculator. Why do we need "Hub Center to
> Flange Center"? What does it give me that I use in the wheel? If the
> wheel is symmetric, then what difference does it make?
>
> I'm looking athttp://www.bikeschool.com/spokes/index.cgi
>
> I also note that the distance between the flanges isn't an input. Can
> I calculate the width of the wheel (meaning the flanges) from that?
>
> I don't think I'm measuring it right.
>
> Jones
When measuring hub dimensions you need 2..flange diameter..center hole
to center hole across the hub flange and center of the hub to flange
dimension on each side and yes, if the hub is symmetric, the spoke
lengths will be the same on each side.
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 22:01:50
From: JeffWills
Subject: Re: Hub Center to Flange Center???
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On Aug 25, 1:24 pm, !Jones <p...@off.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:40:57 -0500, in rec.bicycles.tech Gary Young
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> <garyyou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >What may be confusing you is that this particularly calculator only does
> >one side of a wheel at a time.
>
> Oh... well, that's a "light bulb moment"!
>
Ah-ha! My own light bulb moment: you were using a crappy spoke
calculator. Spocalc is so much nicer. I will now retire to my couch
and cats.
Jeff
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 15:40:57
From: Gary Young
Subject: Re: Hub Center to Flange Center???
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:58:08 -0500, !Jones wrote:
> I'm playing with a spoke calculator. Why do we need "Hub Center to
> Flange Center"? What does it give me that I use in the wheel? If the
> wheel is symmetric, then what difference does it make?
>
> I'm looking at http://www.bikeschool.com/spokes/index.cgi
>
> I also note that the distance between the flanges isn't an input.
It is, in a sense. Lefthand Hub-Center-to-Flange-Center distance +
righthand Hub-Center-to-Flange-Center distance = distance between flanges.
What may be confusing you is that this particularly calculator only does
one side of a wheel at a time.
> Can
> I calculate the width of the wheel (meaning the flanges) from that?
>
> I don't think I'm measuring it right.
>
> Jones
This page has a diagram:
http://www.damonrinard.com/spocalc.htm
Scroll down to "How to Measure Hub and Rim Dimensions."
"Hub Center to Flange Center" is the same thing as WL and WR on the
diagram. (That's W-subscript-L, W-subscript-R.)
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 21:24:39
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Hub Center to Flange Center???
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:40:57 -0500, in rec.bicycles.tech Gary Young
<garyyoung3@gmail.com > wrote:
>It is, in a sense. Lefthand Hub-Center-to-Flange-Center distance +
>righthand Hub-Center-to-Flange-Center distance = distance between flanges.
>What may be confusing you is that this particularly calculator only does
>one side of a wheel at a time.
Oh... well, that's a "light bulb moment"!
Got it!
Thanx!
Jones
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 11:19:51
From: JeffWills
Subject: Re: Hub Center to Flange Center???
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On Aug 25, 9:58 am, !Jones <p...@off.com > wrote:
> I'm playing with a spoke calculator. Why do we need "Hub Center to
> Flange Center"? What does it give me that I use in the wheel? If the
> wheel is symmetric, then what difference does it make?
>
> I'm looking athttp://www.bikeschool.com/spokes/index.cgi
>
> I also note that the distance between the flanges isn't an input. Can
> I calculate the width of the wheel (meaning the flanges) from that?
>
> I don't think I'm measuring it right.
>
> Jones
Trigonometry, my dear boy. The distance from hub center to the flange
gives you the base of the triangle where the vertical distance from
the hub to the rim is the height and the spoke forms the hypotenuse.
Without knowing this measurement, you can't correctly determine the
spoke length.
Many hubs (most rear and some front) are not symmetrical right-to-
left. You need to determine the distance from center to flange on each
side to get the lengths exactly right. It can make a difference-
highly dished rear wheels can have a difference of 2mm from left to
right.
Try using Spocalc: http://sheldonbrown.com/rinard/spocalc.htm . The
spreadsheet includes data on many common rims and hubs, and allows
independant data entry for items not included. It's never let me down.
Jeff
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 15:20:31
From: !Jones
Subject: Re: Hub Center to Flange Center???
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:19:51 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech JeffWills
<jwills@pacifier.com > wrote:
>Trigonometry, my dear boy. The distance from hub center to the flange
>gives you the base of the triangle where the vertical distance from
>the hub to the rim is the height and the spoke forms the hypotenuse.
>Without knowing this measurement, you can't correctly determine the
>spoke length.
>
>Many hubs (most rear and some front) are not symmetrical right-to-
>left. You need to determine the distance from center to flange on each
>side to get the lengths exactly right. It can make a difference-
>highly dished rear wheels can have a difference of 2mm from left to
>right.
>
>Try using Spocalc: http://sheldonbrown.com/rinard/spocalc.htm . The
>spreadsheet includes data on many common rims and hubs, and allows
>independant data entry for items not included. It's never let me down.
>
>Jeff
Ya know, my dear boy, what we need are four points:
>Trigonometry, my dear boy. The distance from hub center to the flange
>gives you the base of the triangle...
A distance alone does not give you the base of a triangle... if you
knew trig, dear boy, then you'd already know that; if all you have is
distance, you're not in Euclidean space yet, so it's nonsensical to
start talking about triangles until you unequivocally fix three
noncolinear points. (Actually, I think you're fixing two and taking a
perpendicular delta, but that's not what you wrote.)
Useless post. Go back and review your undergraduate trig and don't
address me as "my dear boy" until you're sure that you know your
subject... I'm pretty well up to date on my trig... "dear boy".
Jones
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