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Date: 17 Sep 2007 23:16:33
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Subject: I don't know what to call this.
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http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 20:12:33
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Sep 17, 10:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
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> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
I looked a little further.
Thank you.
http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/94965/cat/594/size/big
--D-y
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 11:39:23
From: Colin Nelson
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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<dustoyevsky@mac.com > wrote in message
news:1190344353.654624.22960@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 17, 10:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> > http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
> >
> > I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>
> I looked a little further.
>
> Thank you.
>
> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/94965/cat/594/size/big
>
> --D-y
>
That chain looks a bit slack
LOL.
--
Colin N.
Lincolnshire is mostly flat ... But the wind is mostly in your face
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 13:47:36
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:39:23 GMT, "Colin Nelson"
<colin.nelson2@ntlworld.com > wrote:
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><dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
>news:1190344353.654624.22960@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 17, 10:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>> > http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>> >
>> > I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>>
>> I looked a little further.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/94965/cat/594/size/big
>>
>> --D-y
>>
>
>That chain looks a bit slack
>LOL.
Dear Colin,
I'm pretty sure that those wheels stand on their spokes.
But I can't make out the lacing pattern.
I wonder what the tension is on the laces? Would velcro be better?
These thin tires might be better for racing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Stilettos-heels-b.JPG
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 02:15:57
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Sep 19, 2:09 am, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Petey Mills writes:
> >> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
> >>> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
> >> I know what to call it:
> >> Front wheel drive recumbent.
> >> There have been a few of these.
> > I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel
> > drive on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's
> > almost impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's
> > unstable.
>
> I think you got that wrong. On that basis the Megola motorcycle would
> not have been readily ridable.
>
> http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/megola.htm
>
> Jobst Brandt
Interesting. Seems that there are quite a few of these things out
there:
http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/psychology/bok/fwd.html
http://traylorfwd.home.mindspring.com/fwd.html
http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/tony/
http://bike-recumbent.com/fwd1.shtml
Now that I recall, it wasn't front-wheel drive they were objecting to,
it was rear-wheel steering:
http://wannee.nl/hpv/abt/e-index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Rear-wheel_steering
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 00:38:15
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Sep 18, 8:10 am, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> messagenews:1190118592.216264.239130@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 17, 9:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> >>http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
> >> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>
> > Needs these tho
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>
> What is your fixation with the Crank Brothers wheels?
>
> Your main argument was that companies should stick with what they know and
> that Crank Brother should have continued to just make pedals. The problem
> with this theory is that their first product was a tire lever. If they
> didn't go into different products they never would have developed the
> pedals.
What is your fixation with my fixation?
Try not to lose yer sense of humor here....talking about toys
afterall.
Buy some of these wheels..tell us what ya think.
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 17:48:54
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1190162295.043406.67480@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 18, 8:10 am, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1190118592.216264.239130@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Sep 17, 9:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>> >>http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>>
>> >> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>>
>> > Needs these tho
>>
>> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.ph...
>>
>> What is your fixation with the Crank Brothers wheels?
>>
>> Your main argument was that companies should stick with what they know
>> and
>> that Crank Brother should have continued to just make pedals. The
>> problem
>> with this theory is that their first product was a tire lever. If they
>> didn't go into different products they never would have developed the
>> pedals.
>
> What is your fixation with my fixation?
> Try not to lose yer sense of humor here....talking about toys
> afterall.
>
> Buy some of these wheels..tell us what ya think.
I am waiting for them to come out in yellow!
>
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 16:16:33
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Sep 17, 10:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
"Federal Health Adivsory: Prolonged cell phone use may damage your
DNA"
--D-y
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 16:09:00
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Sep 18, 5:28 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Hobbes who? writes:
>
> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
> > I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>
> I know what to call it:
>
> Front wheel drive recumbent.
>
> There have been a few of these.
>
> Jobst Brandt
I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel drive
on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's almost
impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's unstable.
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 20:44:40
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:09:00 -0700, peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Sep 18, 5:28 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>> Hobbes who? writes:
>>
>> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>>
>> > I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>>
>> I know what to call it:
>>
>> Front wheel drive recumbent.
>>
>> There have been a few of these.
>>
>> Jobst Brandt
>
>
>I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel drive
>on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's almost
>impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's unstable.
Dear Pete,
Sorry . . .
But it's so easy to ride fixed-gear bicycles backward that German and
Asian high-school students do it just to make me grit my teeth.
Here's one particularly annoying female:
http://www.glumbert.com/media/bikerobatics
She starts riding her fixie backwards on two wheels about the middle
of the clip, after already riding it backwards no-hands on one wheel
using only one foot to pedal. They call it "artistic cycling," if you
want to see more of it. I call it--
Er, never mind.
Anyway, those kids can ride fixies backward and upside down and just
about anything else that occurs to you.
As for front wheel-drive recumbents, just google for "front wheel
drive" and recumbent, and you'll get over 25,000 hits:
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=%22front+wheel+drive%22+recumbent&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images
Here's a page for such odd beasts:
http://traylorfwd.home.mindspring.com/fwd.html
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 00:09:11
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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Petey Mills writes:
>> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>>> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>> I know what to call it:
>> Front wheel drive recumbent.
>> There have been a few of these.
> I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel
> drive on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's
> almost impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's
> unstable.
I think you got that wrong. On that basis the Megola motorcycle would
not have been readily ridable.
http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/megola.htm
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 00:06:43
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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Petey Mills writes:
>> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>>> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>> I know what to call it:
>> Front wheel drive recumbent.
>> There have been a few of these.
> I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel
> drive on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's
> almost impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's
> unstable.
I think you got that wrong. On that bais the Megola motorcycle would
not have been radily rideable.
http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/megola.htm
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 18:24:33
From: DougC
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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peteymills@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 18, 5:28 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>> Hobbes who? writes:
>>
>> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>>
>>> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>> I know what to call it:
>>
>> Front wheel drive recumbent.
>>
>> There have been a few of these.
>>
>> Jobst Brandt
>
>
> I seem to remember reading in Bicycling Science that front-wheel drive
> on a bicycle doesn't work--for the same reason that it's almost
> impossible to pedal a fixed gear bicycle backwards--it's unstable.
>
I've never heard this, and haven't heard it from any Cruzbike owners.
It's noted that the drive setup which the Cruzbike uses can cause a bit
of "wandering" left and right with pedaling, but nothing more. Riding
no-handed is not just possible--it's almost always possible, because you
can steer with your legs.
Cruzbike did not invent the drive setup, home-builders had been doing it
for a very long time--particularly with lowracers, but with bikes of all
types.
~
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 19:44:09
From: dallas
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Sep 17, 7:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
Looks like a good pick.
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 19:19:52
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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landotter wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
> > Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"
>
> That shit's a ripoff, they whip it with air so you think you're
> getting more.
Actually they use nitrogen so it doesn't instantly go rancid. I think
the bike went rancid, though.
Chalo
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 15:28:12
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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Hobbes who? writes:
http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
I know what to call it:
Front wheel drive recumbent.
There have been a few of these.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 11:05:18
From: Peter Cole
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>
I'd call it the worst of all worlds.
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 13:11:53
From: landotter
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Sep 18, 5:49 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
> >http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
> > I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>
> The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
> Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"
That shit's a ripoff, they whip it with air so you think you're
getting more.
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 05:29:52
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Sep 17, 9:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
Needs these tho
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 21:22:27
From: dabac
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com Wrote:
> Needs these tho
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yqq68r
There's a point in having a sealed rim and straight pull spokes d
eliminate a weak spot, I'll buy that. But what were they trying t
achieve by sectioned spokes in different materials
--
dabac
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 12:25:29
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:22:27 +1000, dabac
<dabac.2x5nsz@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote:
>
>Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com Wrote:
>> Needs these tho
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yqq68r
>There's a point in having a sealed rim and straight pull spokes do
>eliminate a weak spot, I'll buy that. But what were they trying to
>achieve by sectioned spokes in different materials?
Dear D,
Those spokes are weirder than you may think:
"The craziest thing about the CB wheels is that half of the spoke is
an aluminum tube that is basically a giant spoke nipple, sort of."
http://www.goclipless.com/2007/09/crank-brothers-.html
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 18:39:34
From: dabac
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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carlfogel@comcast.net Wrote:
>
> Dear D,
>
> Those spokes are weirder than you may think:
>
> "The craziest thing about the CB wheels is that half of the spoke is
> an aluminum tube that is basically *a giant spoke nipple*, sort of."
Dear Mr Fogel,
(this way of starting a message STILL seems odd to me, after years o
English usage....)
It took me awhile to figure out how those spokes were tensioned, bu
eventually I spotted what looks like a tool interface right wher
aluminum part ends - which does further enchance the giant spoke nippl
description.
But if it's only the inner part that turns, then why the barrel-lik
yoke holding the steel parts together at the rim? Wouldn't a longe
spoke folded at the middle be a better solution? (rotational mass
inertia, windage and all that..) No, wait, then we're back to a highl
loaded bend, and we all know where THAT leads...
But what is maybe even more strange is that they're launching this od
design WITHOUT the customary explanation of the (sometimes imaginary
benefits to be gained by using it.
I mean, one could easily imagine something like:"we use steel closes
to the rim where the speed is higher to reduce spoke windage, and we us
aluminum closer to the hub to get less spoke wind-up, or a weigh
reduction w/o the punishment of increased windage, or ...."
Or maybe simply:"center adjustable spokes makes for easier building an
trueing of the wheels.."
But maybe the latter would make too much sense to be used in marketin
of high-end bike parts
--
dabac
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 14:16:33
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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> carlfogel@comcast.net Wrote:
>> Those spokes are weirder than you may think:
>> "The craziest thing about the CB wheels is that half of the spoke is
>> an aluminum tube that is basically *a giant spoke nipple*, sort of."
dabac wrote:
> (this way of starting a message STILL seems odd to me, after years of
> English usage....)
>
> It took me awhile to figure out how those spokes were tensioned, but
> eventually I spotted what looks like a tool interface right where
> aluminum part ends - which does further enchance the giant spoke nipple
> description.
>
> But if it's only the inner part that turns, then why the barrel-like
> yoke holding the steel parts together at the rim? Wouldn't a longer
> spoke folded at the middle be a better solution? (rotational mass,
> inertia, windage and all that..) No, wait, then we're back to a highly
> loaded bend, and we all know where THAT leads...
>
> But what is maybe even more strange is that they're launching this odd
> design WITHOUT the customary explanation of the (sometimes imaginary)
> benefits to be gained by using it.
> I mean, one could easily imagine something like:"we use steel closest
> to the rim where the speed is higher to reduce spoke windage, and we use
> aluminum closer to the hub to get less spoke wind-up, or a weight
> reduction w/o the punishment of increased windage, or ...."
>
> Or maybe simply:"center adjustable spokes makes for easier building and
> trueing of the wheels.."
>
> But maybe the latter would make too much sense to be used in marketing
> of high-end bike parts?
"It's for selling"
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 16:59:42
From: dabac
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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A Muzi Wrote:
> ..."It's for selling"...
Well, sure, eventually it all boils down to that.
But it's not considered a polite way of doing business by telling the
customer up front that he's being conned - so I still think it's odd not
to see a rationalization of the design - however flimsy.
(i'm sure you have to exchange some secret handshake, prick your finger
on a sharpened spoke and pledge eternal allegiance to the twin god of
commerce and bicycles before someone would admit that sales was a top
priority for developing a new design...)
--
dabac
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 12:45:38
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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> A Muzi Wrote:
>> ..."It's for selling"...
dabac wrote:
> Well, sure, eventually it all boils down to that.
> But it's not considered a polite way of doing business by telling the
> customer up front that he's being conned - so I still think it's odd not
> to see a rationalization of the design - however flimsy.
> (i'm sure you have to exchange some secret handshake, prick your finger
> on a sharpened spoke and pledge eternal allegiance to the twin god of
> commerce and bicycles before someone would admit that sales was a top
> priority for developing a new design...)
As they say "I try to be cynical but I can't keep up"
I think that's exactly it, see if this analysis looks plausible:
Normal 32h wheels with stainless butted spokes work fine.
They are functional, dependable and light but cannot be 'branded'
Others have made a bajillion dollars with lesser 'branded' wheels
We have a marketing organization
Can't someone here think up something visually distinct?
Blue would be nice.
It needs to look different enough that we might sell it at high margin
I give you PMP cranks as the ultimate example, with a few Mavic products
at close second.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 08:10:48
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1190118592.216264.239130@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 17, 9:16 pm, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>>
>> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>
> Needs these tho
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/shows/eurobike07/eurobike077/Crank_Brothers_Cobalt_rear_wheel
>
What is your fixation with the Crank Brothers wheels?
Your main argument was that companies should stick with what they know and
that Crank Brother should have continued to just make pedals. The problem
with this theory is that their first product was a tire lever. If they
didn't go into different products they never would have developed the
pedals.
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 10:49:25
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"
http://cruzbike.com/
Chalo
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 20:02:29
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:49:25 -0000, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote:
>Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>
>> http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>>
>> I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
>
>The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
>Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"
>
>http://cruzbike.com/
Thank you Chalo.
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 08:21:12
From: DougC
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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Chalo wrote:
>
> The manufacturers decided "Cruzbike" was a catchier name than "I Can't
> Believe It's Not A Back-Alley Abortion!"
>
> http://cruzbike.com/
>
I don't own one, but it IS the least-expensive fully-suspended recumbent
available. $400 plus a suitable MTB, most others are well over twice that.
I find that SWB's sit too high off the ground for my tastes, but if I
had a lot of dirt roads to ride, I'd sure consider it.
~
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 22:42:26
From:
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:16:33 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>
>http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
>
>I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
Dear Hobbes,
Thank you very much!
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 20:41:04
From: Jim
Subject: Re: I don't know what to call this.
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:42:26 -0600, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:16:33 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
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>>http://gallery.mtbr.com/showphoto.php/photo/124931/size/big/cat/594
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>>I'm sorry, I just had to show this to someone else.
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>Dear Hobbes,
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>Thank you very much!
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>Cheers,
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>Carl Fogel
Hottie on a cellphone?
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