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Date: 24 May 2007 14:56:07
From: mike.a.schwab@gmail.com
Subject: I don't share the road shirts
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http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4u has some interesting products for
sale.
Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
company.
However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
what this individual wan't drivers to do.
Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
bicyclists?
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Date: 25 May 2007 23:17:26
From: mike.a.schwab@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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On May 25, 10:14 pm, <j...@phred.org > wrote:
> In article <St2dnZFaQpqMFsrbnZ2dnUVZ_qLin...@insightbb.com>,
> rmccl...@insight.bb.com says...
>
> > According to the League of Illinois Bicyclists, they have pulled the
> > product.
>
> The products get pulled and reappear, get pulled and reappear. Don't
> know if it's a server caching sort of thing, the seller keeps putting
> them up again, or Cafe Press can't make up their mind. At the moment,
> they're back up again.
>
> --
> j...@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
> <http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
> Updated Infrared Photography Gallery:
> <http://www.phred.org/~josh/photo/ir.html>
Seems like if you try to buy it they are marking the product no longer
available, but the image is still in the system.
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Date: 25 May 2007 20:19:14
From: richard
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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According to the League of Illinois Bicyclists, they have pulled the
product.
mike.a.schwab@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4u has some interesting products for
> sale.
> Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
> company.
> However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
> what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>
> Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
> bicyclists?
>
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Date: 25 May 2007 20:14:30
From:
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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In article <St2dnZFaQpqMFsrbnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@insightbb.com >,
rmcclary@insight.bb.com says...
> According to the League of Illinois Bicyclists, they have pulled the
> product.
The products get pulled and reappear, get pulled and reappear. Don't
know if it's a server caching sort of thing, the seller keeps putting
them up again, or Cafe Press can't make up their mind. At the moment,
they're back up again.
--
josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/ >
Updated Infrared Photography Gallery:
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/photo/ir.html >
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Date: 25 May 2007 03:54:11
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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On May 25, 1:51 am, "G.T." <getne...@dslextreme.com > wrote:
> j...@phred.org wrote:
> > The best response to bad speech is good speech, not suppression.
>
> >http://www.cafepress.com/bikesaretraffic.135502509
>
> http://www.goodstorm.com/stores/jdesigns?from=9
>
> But, sorry, I'm a little too cynical to think that the "rah rah sis boom
> bah bikes are good for you" cheer does anything for us.
>
And, despite anyone's best intentions, a message like that seems more
likely to inflame the jerks ("Don't tell *me* about the #@%^@# law,
a***h****!!!") than inform the reasonable. I wish that weren't true,
but I fear it is.
OTOH, perhaps a simple "Share the Road" message might be less likely
to irritate the unreasonable (?),
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Date: 24 May 2007 23:17:40
From:
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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The best response to bad speech is good speech, not suppression.
http://www.cafepress.com/bikesaretraffic.135502509
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josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/ >
Updated Infrared Photography Gallery:
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/photo/ir.html >
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Date: 24 May 2007 23:51:43
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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josh@phred.org wrote:
> The best response to bad speech is good speech, not suppression.
>
> http://www.cafepress.com/bikesaretraffic.135502509
http://www.goodstorm.com/stores/jdesigns?from=9
But, sorry, I'm a little too cynical to think that the "rah rah sis boom
bah bikes are good for you" cheer does anything for us.
Greg
--
The ticketbastard Tax Tracker:
http://www.ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html
Dethink to survive - Mclusky
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Date: 24 May 2007 15:48:44
From: mike.a.schwab@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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On May 24, 4:56 pm, "mike.a.sch...@gmail.com"
<mike.a.sch...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4uhas some interesting products for
> sale.
> Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
> company.
> However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
> what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>
> Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
> bicyclists?
Another member on http://bikejournal.com has posted:
I just talked to one of their customer service managers and gave me
the email for their content inspection team: cup@cafepress.com
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Date: 24 May 2007 16:26:02
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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<mike.a.schwab@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1180046924.569085.246510@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 24, 4:56 pm, "mike.a.sch...@gmail.com"
> <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4uhas some interesting products for
>> sale.
>> Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
>> company.
>> However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
>> what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>>
>> Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
>> bicyclists?
>
> Another member on http://bikejournal.com has posted:
> I just talked to one of their customer service managers and gave me
> the email for their content inspection team: cup@cafepress.com
>
Thanks. I just emailed them. We definitely don't need any yayhoos running
around here wearing those shirts.
Greg
--
"Up in the clouds
ah up in the clouds
down in the dirt
it's so good
so good it hurts" - The Mekons
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Date: 24 May 2007 23:42:37
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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On 2007-05-24, G.T. <getnews1@dslextreme.com > wrote:
>
><mike.a.schwab@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1180046924.569085.246510@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 24, 4:56 pm, "mike.a.sch...@gmail.com"
>> <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4uhas some interesting products for
>>> sale.
>>> Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
>>> company.
>>> However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
>>> what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>>>
>>> Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
>>> bicyclists?
>>
>> Another member on http://bikejournal.com has posted:
>> I just talked to one of their customer service managers and gave me
>> the email for their content inspection team: cup@cafepress.com
>>
>
> Thanks. I just emailed them. We definitely don't need any yayhoos running
> around here wearing those shirts.
I don't see what the shirt has to do with them being yayhoos.
Is it offensive? Sure, but so what? Let the idiots buy their shirts; that
way, they nicely labelled so we can spot them when they're outside their
protective steel cages. Besides, putting on the shirt can't possibly
lower their IQ any further, and it sure won't affect their driving habits.
Going after the shirts makes little sense when the real problem is between
the ears.
--
__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)
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Date: 24 May 2007 17:43:32
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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"Kristian M Zoerhoff" <kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:Npp5i.2521$C96.224@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
> On 2007-05-24, G.T. <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>><mike.a.schwab@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1180046924.569085.246510@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On May 24, 4:56 pm, "mike.a.sch...@gmail.com"
>>> <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4uhas some interesting products for
>>>> sale.
>>>> Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
>>>> company.
>>>> However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
>>>> what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>>>>
>>>> Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
>>>> bicyclists?
>>>
>>> Another member on http://bikejournal.com has posted:
>>> I just talked to one of their customer service managers and gave me
>>> the email for their content inspection team: cup@cafepress.com
>>>
>>
>> Thanks. I just emailed them. We definitely don't need any yayhoos
>> running
>> around here wearing those shirts.
>
> I don't see what the shirt has to do with them being yayhoos.
For all I know the guys that created the designs are just doing a parody of
a cager. What I don't want is the other yayhoos thinking it's the beginning
of an organized anti-bike effort.
Greg
--
Ticketbastard tax tracker:
http://ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html
Dethink to survive - Mclusky
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Date: 24 May 2007 18:16:04
From: Just A User
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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mike.a.schwab@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4u has some interesting products for
> sale.
> Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
> company.
> However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
> what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>
> Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
> bicyclists?
>
That's just great I wonder what mental giant thought of that one.
And then I just wonder if there is some way to get cafepress to realize
what the person who set that up is trying to promote. Maybe I will try
to contact them and see what response I get.
Ken
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Date: 25 May 2007 01:53:35
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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In article <KqGdnU9KnL00k8vbnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@giganews.com >,
Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net > wrote:
> mike.a.schwab@gmail.com wrote:
> > http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4u has some interesting products for
> > sale.
> > Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
> > company.
> > However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
> > what this individual wan't drivers to do.
> >
> > Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
> > bicyclists?
> >
>
> That's just great I wonder what mental giant thought of that one.
> And then I just wonder if there is some way to get cafepress to realize
> what the person who set that up is trying to promote. Maybe I will try
> to contact them and see what response I get.
>
> Ken
Life's too short to suppress everything that bugs you.
You know what's evil? hitting cyclists. You know what's not a big deal?
People engaging in voluntary product labelling.
But oh, I'm imagining how fun the court case would be the first time
someone with one of these bumper stickers hit a cyclist...
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 24 May 2007 18:56:38
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in message
news:rcousine-505D01.18533524052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <KqGdnU9KnL00k8vbnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>
>> mike.a.schwab@gmail.com wrote:
>> > http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4u has some interesting products for
>> > sale.
>> > Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
>> > company.
>> > However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
>> > what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>> >
>> > Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
>> > bicyclists?
>> >
>>
>> That's just great I wonder what mental giant thought of that one.
>> And then I just wonder if there is some way to get cafepress to realize
>> what the person who set that up is trying to promote. Maybe I will try
>> to contact them and see what response I get.
>>
>> Ken
>
> Life's too short to suppress everything that bugs you.
>
> You know what's evil? hitting cyclists. You know what's not a big deal?
> People engaging in voluntary product labelling.
>
> But oh, I'm imagining how fun the court case would be the first time
> someone with one of these bumper stickers hit a cyclist...
>
First degree murder with the death penalty and I don't even believe in the
death penalty.
G
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Date: 25 May 2007 09:36:26
From: Jay Beattie
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com > wrote in message
news:135cginfsl7uoac@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
> news:rcousine-505D01.18533524052007@news.telus.net...
>> In article <KqGdnU9KnL00k8vbnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Just A User <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>>
>>> mike.a.schwab@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4u has some interesting products for
>>> > sale.
>>> > Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
>>> > company.
>>> > However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
>>> > what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>>> >
>>> > Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
>>> > bicyclists?
>>> >
>>>
>>> That's just great I wonder what mental giant thought of that one.
>>> And then I just wonder if there is some way to get cafepress to realize
>>> what the person who set that up is trying to promote. Maybe I will try
>>> to contact them and see what response I get.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>
>> Life's too short to suppress everything that bugs you.
>>
>> You know what's evil? hitting cyclists. You know what's not a big deal?
>> People engaging in voluntary product labelling.
>>
>> But oh, I'm imagining how fun the court case would be the first time
>> someone with one of these bumper stickers hit a cyclist...
>>
>
> First degree murder with the death penalty and I don't even believe in the
> death penalty.
You would be so surprised (and disssapointed) at how many average jurors
share the view expressed on that mug/bumper sticker. Motorists generally
hate us, and juries are picked from voter and DMV records. Jurors are often
the retired and under-employed. Do the math. Hope that the under-employed
are a bunch of bicycle messengers. -- Jay Beattie.
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Date: 24 May 2007 18:48:44
From: Just A User
Subject: Re: I don't share the road shirts
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Just A User wrote:
> mike.a.schwab@gmail.com wrote:
>> http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4u has some interesting products for
>> sale.
>> Please remember that each shop is set up by an individual, not by the
>> company.
>> However, please feel free to contact the company and let them know
>> what this individual wan't drivers to do.
>>
>> Are they going to sell products that encourage injuring and killing
>> bicyclists?
>>
>
> That's just great I wonder what mental giant thought of that one.
> And then I just wonder if there is some way to get cafepress to realize
> what the person who set that up is trying to promote. Maybe I will try
> to contact them and see what response I get.
>
> Ken
Hey that was quick! Here is the original message I sent cafepress and
the reply I received:
Here is my message to them:
Question: My problem is in the content of this store
http://www.cafepress.com/bullshit4u Do you realize what this person is
promoting? Do you think this is appropriate? I hope that you reconsider
the message that this store is promoting and take action about this content.
Ken
And here is the reply I received:
Dear Ken,
Thank you for contacting CafePress.com!
As you may know, CafePress.com provides an automated service to a rich
and vibrant community of international users. Unfortunately, because our
service is automated, sometimes content that is not consistent with our
Content Usage Policy is posted on CafePress.com. We appreciate that you
have brought this content to our attention and we will take appropriate
action.
Your ticket code is LTK30041917854X. Please use this code in any further
communication.
Best Regards,
Jessica S.
Content Usage Associate
(650) 655-3104 (O)
(650) 240-0260 (F)
www.cafepress.com
So now we'll have to see how long the store is up and running.
Ken
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