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Date: 18 Oct 2007 17:31:23
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Is it Dead?
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I was trying to beat the big wind storm home today, was riding uphill, felt
a "clink" and dropped my chain. It felt weird but I couldn't find any of
the usual suspects loose or broken. I put the chain back on and tried to
ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on it.
Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a memorial
service?
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 03:13:19
From: mike.a.schwab@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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On Oct 20, 11:36 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "jim beam" wrote:
>
> Please do NOT wear white, well worn cycling shorts.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
And if you do, don't get them wet.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wet+tshirt+contest&btnG=Google+Search
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 19:31:52
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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- ban quoted text -
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Justice/justice_insert_01_lg.jpg
justice is served
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 03:54:56
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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ahhhhh sheeeet its not dead its overreaching from REI
http://www.rei.com/novara/?cm_ven=email&cm_cat=gm&cm_pla=na&cm_ite=10_19_gm
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 01:07:06
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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-
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/Picture7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/cdp%2520training%2520photos.htm&h=390&w=510&sz=27&hl=en&start=11&sig2=CPClpRBgILGDL_riXbPN7g&um=1&tbnid=IcUB_57NUsLtNM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=131&ei=Y1QZR9SRKJ6wjAHU06ygAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBROKEN%2BPIPE%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 10:02:10
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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datakoll wrote:
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/Picture7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/cdp%2520training%2520photos.htm&h=390&w=510&sz=27&hl=en&start=11&sig2=CPClpRBgILGDL_riXbPN7g&um=1&tbnid=IcUB_57NUsLtNM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=131&ei=Y1QZR9SRKJ6wjAHU06ygAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBROKEN%2BPIPE%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
Looks a lot like Halloween in Madison except we see more short skirts
with heels in the mix.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 10:06:04
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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Andrew Muzi mused:
> datakoll wrote:
>> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/Picture7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/cdp%2520training%2520photos.htm&h=390&w=510&sz=27&hl=en&start=11&sig2=CPClpRBgILGDL_riXbPN7g&um=1&tbnid=IcUB_57NUsLtNM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=131&ei=Y1QZR9SRKJ6wjAHU06ygAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBROKEN%2BPIPE%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
>>
>
> Looks a lot like Halloween in Madison except we see more short skirts
> with heels in the mix.
Where are the broken windows?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 11:06:53
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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>> datakoll wrote:
>>> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/Picture7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/cdp%2520training%2520photos.htm&h=390&w=510&sz=27&hl=en&start=11&sig2=CPClpRBgILGDL_riXbPN7g&um=1&tbnid=IcUB_57NUsLtNM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=131&ei=Y1QZR9SRKJ6wjAHU06ygAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBROKEN%2BPIPE%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
> Andrew Muzi mused:
>> Looks a lot like Halloween in Madison except we see more short skirts
>> with heels in the mix.
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Where are the broken windows?
That was so 2002:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/HALL02.HTML
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 09:18:19
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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A Muzi wrote:
>>> datakoll wrote:
>>>> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/Picture7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/cdp%2520training%2520photos.htm&h=390&w=510&sz=27&hl=en&start=11&sig2=CPClpRBgILGDL_riXbPN7g&um=1&tbnid=IcUB_57NUsLtNM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=131&ei=Y1QZR9SRKJ6wjAHU06ygAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBROKEN%2BPIPE%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
>
>
>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>> Looks a lot like Halloween in Madison except we see more short skirts
>>> with heels in the mix.
>
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Where are the broken windows?
>
> That was so 2002:
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/HALL02.HTML
that alcohol commentary is interesting. with enough of it, even the
hairy chick with the tattoo's could get laid.
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Date: 22 Oct 2007 21:44:42
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
news:18CdnXHSEPLRt4fanZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> that alcohol commentary is interesting. with enough of it, even the hairy
> chick with the tattoo's could get laid.
Yeah, and don't you know it, eh beamboy?
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 11:29:47
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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jim beam wrote:
> A Muzi wrote:
>>>> datakoll wrote:
>>>>> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/Picture7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/cdp%2520training%2520photos.htm&h=390&w=510&sz=27&hl=en&start=11&sig2=CPClpRBgILGDL_riXbPN7g&um=1&tbnid=IcUB_57NUsLtNM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=131&ei=Y1QZR9SRKJ6wjAHU06ygAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBROKEN%2BPIPE%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
>>
>>
>>
>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>> Looks a lot like Halloween in Madison except we see more short
>>>> skirts with heels in the mix.
>>
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Where are the broken windows?
>>
>> That was so 2002:
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/HALL02.HTML
>
> that alcohol commentary is interesting. with enough of it, even the
> hairy chick with the tattoo's could get laid.
Speaking for yourself?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 09:32:35
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> A Muzi wrote:
>>>>> datakoll wrote:
>>>>>> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/Picture7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/cdp%2520training%2520photos.htm&h=390&w=510&sz=27&hl=en&start=11&sig2=CPClpRBgILGDL_riXbPN7g&um=1&tbnid=IcUB_57NUsLtNM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=131&ei=Y1QZR9SRKJ6wjAHU06ygAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBROKEN%2BPIPE%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>> Looks a lot like Halloween in Madison except we see more short
>>>>> skirts with heels in the mix.
>>>
>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> Where are the broken windows?
>>>
>>> That was so 2002:
>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/HALL02.HTML
>>
>> that alcohol commentary is interesting. with enough of it, even the
>> hairy chick with the tattoo's could get laid.
>
> Speaking for yourself?
>
no, my tattoo's are on my ass.
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 11:36:30
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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"jim beam" wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> A Muzi wrote:
>>>>>> datakoll wrote:
>>>>>>> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/Picture7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.homelandsecurity.alabama.gov/training%2520page/cdp%2520training%2520photos.htm&h=390&w=510&sz=27&hl=en&start=11&sig2=CPClpRBgILGDL_riXbPN7g&um=1&tbnid=IcUB_57NUsLtNM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=131&ei=Y1QZR9SRKJ6wjAHU06ygAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBROKEN%2BPIPE%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>>> Looks a lot like Halloween in Madison except we see more short
>>>>>> skirts with heels in the mix.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>>> Where are the broken windows?
>>>>
>>>> That was so 2002:
>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/HALL02.HTML
>>>
>>> that alcohol commentary is interesting. with enough of it, even the
>>> hairy chick with the tattoo's could get laid.
>>
>> Speaking for yourself?
>>
>
> no, my tattoo's are on my ass.
Please do NOT wear white, well worn cycling shorts.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 15:41:49
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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> You are aware that REI has a lifetime warranty on bicycle frames,
> provided you are original owner? (Most times you don't even need to
> provide paperwork if you've been a member long enough.) AFAIK this
> applies even to their aluminum frames. Just yet another reason to buy
> REI branded bikes at REI.
>
> About the only components you may have to pay for is a stem & possibly
> handlebar,seatpost, ft. der. (different diameters). If you are handy
> with bike tools you can transfer all your components yourself.
> Otherwise you pay REI labor to transfer components from the old frame
> to the new frame.
This is absolutely true. I've been amazed and always happy at REI's
generous warranties and return policies. I returned an external frame
backpack a few months ago that was 20 years old with a broken frame.
I had no receipt. In exchange I got a brand new one. Cost to me:
$0.
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 00:35:10
From: damyth
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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On Oct 18, 5:31 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I was trying to beat the big wind storm home today, was riding uphill, felt
> a "clink" and dropped my chain. It felt weird but I couldn't find any of
> the usual suspects loose or broken. I put the chain back on and tried to
> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>
> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on it.
> Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a memorial
> service?
You are aware that REI has a lifetime warranty on bicycle frames,
provided you are original owner? (Most times you don't even need to
provide paperwork if you've been a member long enough.) AFAIK this
applies even to their aluminum frames. Just yet another reason to buy
REI branded bikes at REI.
About the only components you may have to pay for is a stem & possibly
handlebar,seatpost, ft. der. (different diameters). If you are handy
with bike tools you can transfer all your components yourself.
Otherwise you pay REI labor to transfer components from the old frame
to the new frame.
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 11:02:59
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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"damyth" <mdk.10.damyth@spamgourmet.com > wrote in message
news:1192779310.454244.309800@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 18, 5:31 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I was trying to beat the big wind storm home today, was riding uphill,
>> felt
>> a "clink" and dropped my chain. It felt weird but I couldn't find any of
>> the usual suspects loose or broken. I put the chain back on and tried to
>> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
>> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>>
>> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on
>> it.
>> Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a
>> memorial
>> service?
>
> You are aware that REI has a lifetime warranty on bicycle frames,
> provided you are original owner? (Most times you don't even need to
> provide paperwork if you've been a member long enough.) AFAIK this
> applies even to their aluminum frames. Just yet another reason to buy
> REI branded bikes at REI.
>
> About the only components you may have to pay for is a stem & possibly
> handlebar,seatpost, ft. der. (different diameters). If you are handy
> with bike tools you can transfer all your components yourself.
> Otherwise you pay REI labor to transfer components from the old frame
> to the new frame.
>
I dropped the bike at REI this morning. The shop manager will not be in
until Monday and then we will discuss the solution.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 23:56:44
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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Frank Drackman wrote:
> I was trying to beat the big wind storm home today, was riding uphill, felt
> a "clink" and dropped my chain. It felt weird but I couldn't find any of
> the usual suspects loose or broken. I put the chain back on and tried to
> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>
> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on it.
> Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a memorial
> service?
>
>
if tig, it's now uneconomic to repair. plenty of cheap reliable frames
at nashbar though.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 22:41:33
From:
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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On Oct 18, 10:34 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu> wrote in messagenews:CqCdnajEPuNRnoXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@ptd.net...
>
>
>
> > Frank Drackman wrote:
>
> >> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
> >> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>
> >> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on
> >> it. Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a
> >> memorial service?
>
> > It was probably tig welded to begin with, if it's steel, It could be
> > re-welded, but that is not likely to be a very strong joint -- it probably
> > failed because it wasn't welded properly to begin with, and there is
> > corrosion to deal with.
Frank, & list:
This is not a particularly difficult repair. A framebuilder could do
it in 15 minutes brazing it up and grinding the braze joint out
nicely. Yes, it would spoil the paint for about 4" each side of the
break. And once you put bronze on the joint, you would never be able
to weld again near the joint.
It's a job I would do for well under $100, including cleanup and a
shot of rattlecan primer. I'm sure yopu could find a framebuilder in
your area who will help you out.
jn
"Thursday"
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 03:50:28
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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http://www.icw-net.com/aa_SiteObjects/aa_coastalIMAGES/geo-SPECIFIC/Cape-Lookout-Region-Pix/Beaufort-NC-Pix/beaufort-nc-otway-burns.jpg
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 20:21:31
From: tiborg
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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On Oct 19, 10:09 am, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> Frank Drackman wrote:
> > ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
> > disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>
> > It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on it.
> > Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a memorial
> > service?
>
> It was probably tig welded to begin with, if it's steel, It could be
> re-welded, but that is not likely to be a very strong joint -- it
> probably failed because it wasn't welded properly to begin with, and
> there is corrosion to deal with.
>
> In addition to the cost of welding it back together, which will be $100
> or so if you want to pay someone who really knows what he is doing, you
> will have to re-paint the bike, which will cost another $100-$200 to
> have a decent job done. And when you are done you still will have a
> 14-year-old bike with worn, low-end components.
>
> If it is aluminum, there isn't even a chance of finding someone to
> re-weld it. A decent job there would cost much more than it is worth,
> and the chances of doing a decent job with the old materials is small.
>
> Save the shiny bits, and toss the rest. Buy another bike. You got your
> $500 or so of use out of this one.
>
> --
>
> David L. Johnson
>
> The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand mathematics.
So you're saying crazy glue just wont do the trick?
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 06:24:16
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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In article
<1192764091.496484.258630@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com >
,
tiborg <tcg001@mac.com > wrote:
> On Oct 19, 10:09 am, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu>
> wrote:
> > Frank Drackman wrote:
> > > ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
> > > disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
> >
> > > It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on it.
> > > Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a memorial
> > > service?
> >
> > It was probably tig welded to begin with, if it's steel, It could be
> > re-welded, but that is not likely to be a very strong joint -- it
> > probably failed because it wasn't welded properly to begin with, and
> > there is corrosion to deal with.
> >
> > In addition to the cost of welding it back together, which will be $100
> > or so if you want to pay someone who really knows what he is doing, you
> > will have to re-paint the bike, which will cost another $100-$200 to
> > have a decent job done. And when you are done you still will have a
> > 14-year-old bike with worn, low-end components.
> >
> > If it is aluminum, there isn't even a chance of finding someone to
> > re-weld it. A decent job there would cost much more than it is worth,
> > and the chances of doing a decent job with the old materials is small.
> >
> > Save the shiny bits, and toss the rest. Buy another bike. You got your
> > $500 or so of use out of this one.
> >
> > The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand mathematics.
>
> So you're saying crazy glue just wont do the trick?
Scab on some sheet steel and J.B. Weld that sucker.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 23:47:03
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <1192764091.496484.258630@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
> ,
> tiborg <tcg001@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 19, 10:09 am, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu>
>> wrote:
>>> Frank Drackman wrote:
>>>> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
>>>> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>>>> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on it.
>>>> Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a memorial
>>>> service?
>>> It was probably tig welded to begin with, if it's steel, It could be
>>> re-welded, but that is not likely to be a very strong joint -- it
>>> probably failed because it wasn't welded properly to begin with, and
>>> there is corrosion to deal with.
>>>
>>> In addition to the cost of welding it back together, which will be $100
>>> or so if you want to pay someone who really knows what he is doing, you
>>> will have to re-paint the bike, which will cost another $100-$200 to
>>> have a decent job done. And when you are done you still will have a
>>> 14-year-old bike with worn, low-end components.
>>>
>>> If it is aluminum, there isn't even a chance of finding someone to
>>> re-weld it. A decent job there would cost much more than it is worth,
>>> and the chances of doing a decent job with the old materials is small.
>>>
>>> Save the shiny bits, and toss the rest. Buy another bike. You got your
>>> $500 or so of use out of this one.
>>>
>>> The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand mathematics.
>> So you're saying crazy glue just wont do the trick?
>
> Scab on some sheet steel and J.B. Weld that sucker.
>
wow, you really /want/ that darwin award, don't you!
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 17:10:32
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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"jim beam" wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article <1192764091.496484.258630@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
>> ,
>> tiborg <tcg001@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 10:09 am, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Frank Drackman wrote:
>>>>> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was
>>>>> completely
>>>>> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>>>>> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles
>>>>> on it.
>>>>> Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a
>>>>> memorial
>>>>> service?
>>>> It was probably tig welded to begin with, if it's steel, It could be
>>>> re-welded, but that is not likely to be a very strong joint -- it
>>>> probably failed because it wasn't welded properly to begin with, and
>>>> there is corrosion to deal with.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to the cost of welding it back together, which will be $100
>>>> or so if you want to pay someone who really knows what he is doing, you
>>>> will have to re-paint the bike, which will cost another $100-$200 to
>>>> have a decent job done. And when you are done you still will have a
>>>> 14-year-old bike with worn, low-end components.
>>>>
>>>> If it is aluminum, there isn't even a chance of finding someone to
>>>> re-weld it. A decent job there would cost much more than it is worth,
>>>> and the chances of doing a decent job with the old materials is small.
>>>>
>>>> Save the shiny bits, and toss the rest. Buy another bike. You got
>>>> your
>>>> $500 or so of use out of this one.
>>>>
>>>> The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand mathematics.
>>> So you're saying crazy glue just wont do the trick?
>>
>> Scab on some sheet steel and J.B. Weld that sucker.
>>
>
> wow, you really /want/ that darwin award, don't you!
See <http://www.mile43.com/peterson/wb.html >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 22:34:48
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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"tiborg" wrote:
> On Oct 19, 10:09 am, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu>
> wrote:
>> Frank Drackman wrote:
>>> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
>>> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>>> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on it.
>>> Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a memorial
>>> service?
>> It was probably tig welded to begin with, if it's steel, It could be
>> re-welded, but that is not likely to be a very strong joint -- it
>> probably failed because it wasn't welded properly to begin with, and
>> there is corrosion to deal with.
>>
>> In addition to the cost of welding it back together, which will be $100
>> or so if you want to pay someone who really knows what he is doing, you
>> will have to re-paint the bike, which will cost another $100-$200 to
>> have a decent job done. And when you are done you still will have a
>> 14-year-old bike with worn, low-end components.
>>
>> If it is aluminum, there isn't even a chance of finding someone to
>> re-weld it. A decent job there would cost much more than it is worth,
>> and the chances of doing a decent job with the old materials is small.
>>
>> Save the shiny bits, and toss the rest. Buy another bike. You got your
>> $500 or so of use out of this one.
>>
>> --
>>
>> David L. Johnson
>>
>> The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand mathematics.
>
> So you're saying crazy glue just wont do the trick?
>
Maybe JB Weld and U-bolts?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 16:29:18
From: vey
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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Tom Sherman wrote:
>>
> Maybe JB Weld and U-bolts?
What's wrong with U-Bolts? I have a bunch of them on my bike. I built an
Alex Wilson style "Workhorse" he calls it. I'll have to post some pics.
It's a hoot, but it can carry some serious freight.
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 10:51:30
From: Dana Myers
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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Tom Sherman wrote:
>> So you're saying crazy glue just wont do the trick?
>>
> Maybe JB Weld and U-bolts?
>
Now you're talking!
:-)
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 18:58:23
From: still me
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:51:30 -0700, Dana Myers <dana.myers@gmail.com >
wrote:
>Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>>> So you're saying crazy glue just wont do the trick?
>>>
>> Maybe JB Weld and U-bolts?
>>
>
>Now you're talking!
>
>:-)
What, no duct tape?
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 21:09:31
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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Frank Drackman wrote:
> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>
> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on it.
> Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a memorial
> service?
It was probably tig welded to begin with, if it's steel, It could be
re-welded, but that is not likely to be a very strong joint -- it
probably failed because it wasn't welded properly to begin with, and
there is corrosion to deal with.
In addition to the cost of welding it back together, which will be $100
or so if you want to pay someone who really knows what he is doing, you
will have to re-paint the bike, which will cost another $100-$200 to
have a decent job done. And when you are done you still will have a
14-year-old bike with worn, low-end components.
If it is aluminum, there isn't even a chance of finding someone to
re-weld it. A decent job there would cost much more than it is worth,
and the chances of doing a decent job with the old materials is small.
Save the shiny bits, and toss the rest. Buy another bike. You got your
$500 or so of use out of this one.
--
David L. Johnson
The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand mathematics.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 21:34:12
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Is it Dead?
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"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu > wrote in message
news:CqCdnajEPuNRnoXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@ptd.net...
> Frank Drackman wrote:
>
>> ride. Checking more closely revealed that the seat tube was completely
>> disconnected from where it meets the bottom bracket.
>>
>> It is a 14 year old REI brand touring bike that has about 30K miles on
>> it. Is it something that is worth having fixed or should I schedule a
>> memorial service?
>
> It was probably tig welded to begin with, if it's steel, It could be
> re-welded, but that is not likely to be a very strong joint -- it probably
> failed because it wasn't welded properly to begin with, and there is
> corrosion to deal with.
>
> In addition to the cost of welding it back together, which will be $100 or
> so if you want to pay someone who really knows what he is doing, you will
> have to re-paint the bike, which will cost another $100-$200 to have a
> decent job done. And when you are done you still will have a 14-year-old
> bike with worn, low-end components.
>
> If it is aluminum, there isn't even a chance of finding someone to re-weld
> it. A decent job there would cost much more than it is worth, and the
> chances of doing a decent job with the old materials is small.
>
> Save the shiny bits, and toss the rest. Buy another bike. You got your
> $500 or so of use out of this one.
>
Thanks. I should have included that it is steel in the OP. The only things
original to the bike are the frame and seatpost, the components are in
pretty good shape, but boy did I love that frame.
Because of a mix-up at REI I only paid $224 at the time of purchase. My
local store found a 2 year old bike at another location and said that they
would sell it to me for $189 if I was willing to pay $35 to have it shipped
to the store. I said sure but when I went to pick it up it was missing. It
turns out that an employee purchased it when they saw the $189 price. The
store manager made good by giving me the current year bike for the agreed
upon price. I will probably have to budget more than $225 this time.
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