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Date: 21 Sep 2007 20:57:24
From: landotter
Subject: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 18:52:49
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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On Sep 22, 9:04 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 22, 2:17 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A Muzi wrote:
>
> > > You're going to see more and more complex variants of 'slow release'
> > > wheels for 2008.
>
> > Is the implication here that you'll have to either file off the lawyer
> > lips or else do some improvised modification to the skewers in order
> > to get the QR function? Or will it simply not be practically possible
> > with these new "NQR" skewers?
>
> All ya gotta do with the "slow release" skewer I got is to unscrew the
> "locknut" and toss it in the garbage. I still am not sure why the rest
> of the lever is so strange, like the decision to use only one spring
> (now with chirality!) and to put it onboard, in the middle of the
> lever cam mechanism.
I've used locknuts on my QRs before, just to make them hold their
adjustment. In the absence of lawyer lips, this works pretty well.
Chalo
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 07:04:47
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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On Sep 22, 2:17 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> A Muzi wrote:
>
> > You're going to see more and more complex variants of 'slow release'
> > wheels for 2008.
>
> Is the implication here that you'll have to either file off the lawyer
> lips or else do some improvised modification to the skewers in order
> to get the QR function? Or will it simply not be practically possible
> with these new "NQR" skewers?
All ya gotta do with the "slow release" skewer I got is to unscrew the
"locknut" and toss it in the garbage. I still am not sure why the rest
of the lever is so strange, like the decision to use only one spring
(now with chirality!) and to put it onboard, in the middle of the
lever cam mechanism.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 06:41:58
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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On Sep 22, 4:09 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com > wrote:
> "Chalo" <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1190445704.364107.263950@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 3:57 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> > > spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> > > with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> > > you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> > > christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>
> > > On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> > > times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> > > a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>
> > I wonder why wouldn't they just use nutted axles, maybe with nylock
> > nuts if they want to be deeply paranoid?
>
> > Chalo
>
> The @$$%**^$^% idiots at CPSC have probably never ridden a bike. Here's an
> OSHA approved cowboy:
>
> http://www.hsegroup.com/hse/text/cowboy.htm
Thanx, I think I just we'ed a little!
/snorf!
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 04:02:36
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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On Sep 22, 2:21 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 21, 3:57 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> > spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> > with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> > you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> > christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>
> > On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> > times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> > a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>
> I wonder why wouldn't they just use nutted axles, maybe with nylock
> nuts if they want to be deeply paranoid?
>
Appearances. Nutted axles (particularly the very visible front axle)
are the visual hallmark of the dreaded Department Store Bike. This new
approach gives the function of a nutted axle with the appearance of a
QR.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 02:00:43
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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"landotter" <landotter@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190408244.207968.137730@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
> their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>
> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>
I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
wheels.
I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the wheel
get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace them
with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
Chas./
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 13:23:29
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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In article
<ZIidnfivCMK6RGnbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@comcast.com >,
"* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com > wrote:
> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1190408244.207968.137730@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
> > their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> > spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> > with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> > you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> > christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
> >
> > On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> > times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> > a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
> >
>
> I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
> wheels.
>
> I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
> late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the wheel
> get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace them
> with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
I had a problem with a Shimano internal cam quick
release until I shortened the axle to get the ends
inside the dropouts. Now not a lick of trouble.
Disassembly and close inspection of the parts shows all
high grade metal and close tolerances. This is a seven
speed free hub from about fifteen years ago.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 23:10:06
From: Bruce Gilbert
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-9D6D49.13232922092007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> In article
> <ZIidnfivCMK6RGnbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
>
> > "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1190408244.207968.137730@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
> > > their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> > > spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> > > with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> > > you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> > > christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
> > >
> > > On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> > > times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> > > a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
> > >
> >
> > I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
> > wheels.
> >
> > I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
> > late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the wheel
> > get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace them
> > with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
>
> I had a problem with a Shimano internal cam quick
> release until I shortened the axle to get the ends
> inside the dropouts. Now not a lick of trouble.
> Disassembly and close inspection of the parts shows all
> high grade metal and close tolerances. This is a seven
> speed free hub from about fifteen years ago.
>
> --
> Michael Press
I just had my first QR failure. It looks like one of the old 8 speed Dura
Ace models. There is a sort of "C" clip that retains the cam arm internally
and it broke in half. I doubt there will be parts forthcoming, so I just
chose to replace and get on with life. Fortunately, it was not on the bike
when the failure occurred.
If anyone is going to the show, come see us and say hello. We are in booth
419.
Bruce
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 19:04:28
From: still me
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:10:06 -0500, "Bruce Gilbert"
<bgilbertREMOVE@hal-pc.org > wrote:
>
>I just had my first QR failure. It looks like one of the old 8 speed Dura
>Ace models. There is a sort of "C" clip that retains the cam arm internally
>and it broke in half. I doubt there will be parts forthcoming, so I just
>chose to replace and get on with life. Fortunately, it was not on the bike
>when the failure occurred.
>
Vintage Simplex skewers (the early plastic wingnut type) seem to have
the strongest and smoothest cam action. I suspect that higher
manufacturing costs and lost wing/locknuts led to their demise, but
they really have a nicer action than the more modern, smaller cam
skewers.
However, I can't attest to their durability, mine are only 35 years
old. Who knows how long they will last!
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 14:19:26
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:10:06 -0500, "Bruce Gilbert"
> <bgilbertREMOVE@hal-pc.org> wrote:
>> I just had my first QR failure. It looks like one of the old 8 speed Dura
>> Ace models. There is a sort of "C" clip that retains the cam arm internally
>> and it broke in half. I doubt there will be parts forthcoming, so I just
>> chose to replace and get on with life. Fortunately, it was not on the bike
>> when the failure occurred.
still me wrote:
> Vintage Simplex skewers (the early plastic wingnut type) seem to have
> the strongest and smoothest cam action. I suspect that higher
> manufacturing costs and lost wing/locknuts led to their demise, but
> they really have a nicer action than the more modern, smaller cam
> skewers.
>
> However, I can't attest to their durability, mine are only 35 years
> old. Who knows how long they will last!
Totally agree, excellent design and execution. I use them on my fixie.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 13:31:33
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <ZIidnfivCMK6RGnbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
>
>> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1190408244.207968.137730@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
>>> their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
>>> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
>>> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
>>> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
>>> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>>>
>>> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
>>> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
>>> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>>>
>> I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
>> wheels.
>>
>> I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
>> late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the wheel
>> get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace them
>> with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
>
> I had a problem with a Shimano internal cam quick
> release until I shortened the axle to get the ends
> inside the dropouts. Now not a lick of trouble.
> Disassembly and close inspection of the parts shows all
> high grade metal and close tolerances. This is a seven
> speed free hub from about fifteen years ago.
>
i think you're on the right track - shimano seem to build for aluminum
dropouts. as you say, simply shorten the axle a little and slim steel
dropouts are no problem.
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 01:51:19
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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In article
<aO6dna-vs4c45mjbnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <ZIidnfivCMK6RGnbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > "* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1190408244.207968.137730@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >>> I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
> >>> their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> >>> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> >>> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> >>> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> >>> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
> >>>
> >>> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> >>> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> >>> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
> >>>
> >> I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
> >> wheels.
> >>
> >> I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
> >> late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the wheel
> >> get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace them
> >> with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
> >
> > I had a problem with a Shimano internal cam quick
> > release until I shortened the axle to get the ends
> > inside the dropouts. Now not a lick of trouble.
> > Disassembly and close inspection of the parts shows all
> > high grade metal and close tolerances. This is a seven
> > speed free hub from about fifteen years ago.
> >
> i think you're on the right track - shimano seem to build for aluminum
> dropouts. as you say, simply shorten the axle a little and slim steel
> dropouts are no problem.
Ah, Al dropouts. I did not consider that they are used
and would have to be thicker.
Naturally, I run Campagnolo 1010 dropouts.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 21:12:40
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <aO6dna-vs4c45mjbnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <ZIidnfivCMK6RGnbnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@comcast.com>,
>>> "* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1190408244.207968.137730@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
>>>>> their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
>>>>> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
>>>>> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
>>>>> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
>>>>> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>>>>>
>>>>> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
>>>>> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
>>>>> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>>>>>
>>>> I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
>>>> wheels.
>>>>
>>>> I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
>>>> late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the wheel
>>>> get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace them
>>>> with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
>>> I had a problem with a Shimano internal cam quick
>>> release until I shortened the axle to get the ends
>>> inside the dropouts. Now not a lick of trouble.
>>> Disassembly and close inspection of the parts shows all
>>> high grade metal and close tolerances. This is a seven
>>> speed free hub from about fifteen years ago.
>>>
>> i think you're on the right track - shimano seem to build for aluminum
>> dropouts. as you say, simply shorten the axle a little and slim steel
>> dropouts are no problem.
>
> Ah, Al dropouts. I did not consider that they are used
> and would have to be thicker.
> Naturally, I run Campagnolo 1010 dropouts.
>
"naturally"?
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 00:15:25
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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>>>>> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to
>>>>>> deserve
>>>>>> their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
>>>>>> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled
>>>>>> nut
>>>>>> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
>>>>>> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What
>>>>>> shall we
>>>>>> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>>>>>> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
>>>>>> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>>>> "* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
>>>>> I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
>>>>> wheels.
>>>>> I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
>>>>> late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the
>>>>> wheel
>>>>> get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace
>>>>> them
>>>>> with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>> I had a problem with a Shimano internal cam quick release until I
>>>> shortened the axle to get the ends inside the dropouts. Now not a
>>>> lick of trouble. Disassembly and close inspection of the parts shows
>>>> all
>>>> high grade metal and close tolerances. This is a seven
>>>> speed free hub from about fifteen years ago.
>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>> i think you're on the right track - shimano seem to build for
>>> aluminum dropouts. as you say, simply shorten the axle a little and
>>> slim steel dropouts are no problem.
> Michael Press wrote:
>> Ah, Al dropouts. I did not consider that they are used
>> and would have to be thicker. Naturally, I run Campagnolo 1010 dropouts.
jim beam wrote:
> "naturally"?
Sure. Once you have the good ones, why change?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 13:14:48
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote
>> I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
>> their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
>> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
>> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
>> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
>> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
>> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
>> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
* * Chas wrote:
> I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
> wheels.
>
> I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
> late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the wheel
> get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace them
> with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
Oil the cam.
They are not bad really. Far superior to the aluminum 'open cam' designs.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 11:53:17
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote in message
news:13famqh9r0udgef@corp.supernews.com...
> > "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote
> >> I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to
deserve
> >> their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> >> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled
nut
> >> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> >> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall
we
> >> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
> >> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> >> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's
actually
> >> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>
> * * Chas wrote:
> > I've been riding on QRs since 1964 and never had a problem with front
> > wheels.
> >
> > I have had problems with almost every Shimano rear QR made between the
> > late 70s and late 90s??? They slip when honking up a hill and the
wheel
> > get caught against the chainstay. Now I throw them away and replace
them
> > with Campy or even Maillard QRs.
>
> Oil the cam.
> They are not bad really. Far superior to the aluminum 'open cam'
designs.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Did you say aluminum can openers? I rode 1 TT on HiE wheels with their
aluminum skewers. Afterward I sold them to someone a lot lighter than me.
One of the little aluminum pegs used for tightening the skewers broke off
the first time I applied pressure to it.
Do you have any more Maillard skewers?
What I observed with the Shimano QRs that slipped was that the serrations
were not very aggressive. It seemed like they were designed for use in
vertical dropouts only. I have some Shimano hubs from the mid 1970s and
early 2000s that don't seem to have a problem.
Chas.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 07:21:44
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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On Sep 21, 3:57 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>
> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
I wonder why wouldn't they just use nutted axles, maybe with nylock
nuts if they want to be deeply paranoid?
Chalo
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 02:09:20
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190445704.364107.263950@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 21, 3:57 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> > spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> > with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> > you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> > christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
> >
> > On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> > times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> > a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>
> I wonder why wouldn't they just use nutted axles, maybe with nylock
> nuts if they want to be deeply paranoid?
>
> Chalo
>
The @$$%**^$^% idiots at CPSC have probably never ridden a bike. Here's an
OSHA approved cowboy:
http://www.hsegroup.com/hse/text/cowboy.htm
Chas.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 07:17:19
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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A Muzi wrote:
>
> You're going to see more and more complex variants of 'slow release'
> wheels for 2008.
Is the implication here that you'll have to either file off the lawyer
lips or else do some improvised modification to the skewers in order
to get the QR function? Or will it simply not be practically possible
with these new "NQR" skewers?
Chalo
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 22:56:50
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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On Sep 21, 5:46 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> landotter wrote:
> > I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
> > their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> > spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> > with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> > you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> > christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>
> > On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> > times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> > a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
>
> You're going to see more and more complex variants of 'slow release'
> wheels for 2008.
The replacement skewer manufacturers are surely cackling in their
mansions as we speak!
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 17:46:44
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Lawyer lips mover over, now we have slow release skewers!
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landotter wrote:
> I mentioned these in another post, but they're so absurd as to deserve
> their own post. On my new Kona, the front "QR" has a wholly bizarre
> spring and cam/lever on one side, and a springless concave knurled nut
> with a 10 mm locknut complete with blue loctite. So to open the QR,
> you have to loosen the nut with a wrench. Brilliant, no? What shall we
> christen this particular lawsuit inspired monstrosity?
>
> On the flip side, it makes the wheel harder to casually steal those
> times I just use my min-U lock for a run into the store. It's actually
> a feature for an urban bike in a sick sort of way.
You're going to see more and more complex variants of 'slow release'
wheels for 2008.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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