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Date: 24 Aug 2007 14:50:08
From: Bill
Subject: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Shop guys, what's recommended for a durable and economical 10 speed chain?
Searching turns up lots of conversations about compatibility but not much
for current thoughts on performace/durability/cost. My SRAM is heading for
end of life. Currently using a PC1070 with the Wipperman link, that
combination is a winner. Didn't even try the "never remove" SRAM link.
Thanks,
Bill

Date: 26 Oct 2007 05:54:36
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Aug 27, 10:19 pm, Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVET...@comcast.net >
wrote:
> chuck <ch...@invalid.net> wrote innews:VLoAi.6247$yv3.5317@trndny01:
>
>
>
> > On 2007-08-25, Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVET...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Colin Campbell <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote in
> >>news:46cf41dc$0$31875$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
> >>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
> >>> at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy
> >>> across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
> >>> recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but
> >>> are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch -
> >>> half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a
> >>> bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.
>
> >> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
> >> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>
> > That's strange. I buy recumbent chains from Nashbar for my recumbent
> > and split them in half getting 2 out of 1 for my hybrid.
>
> I only use Shimano chains. Nashbar only sells recumbent KMC chains, and
> they are only 8 speed.
>
> --
> Larry Dickman <LDick...@comcast.net>

This shop guy says shimano 105 level 10s chain with a Wipperman link.

Date: 02 Sep 2007 12:45:08
From: limeylew@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Aug 31, 12:18 pm, "gotbent" <gotbe...@spamtrap.com > wrote:
> <limey...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188568862.721103.85690@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 29, 11:56 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> > carlfo...@comcast.net aka Carl Fogel wrote:
> >> >> Long chains like this tandem/recumbent offering are probably just
> >> >> longer pieces broken from the same spool, not patched-together shorter
> >> >> pairs:
> >> >>http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=600076&subcategory=600010...
>
> >> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
> >> > That chain is barely long enough for my small drive wheel bikes [1],
> >> > and
> >> > would be too short for large drive wheel recumbents where 240-260 link
> >> > chains are often needed.
> >> > [1] RANS Rocket and RANS Tailwind.
>
> >> Hostel Shoppe sells an eleven foot plus (286 links!) chunk [1] of
> >> chain:http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?category=606000
> >> [1] are footnotes necessary with a four line paragraph?
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> > Those just 'look' like footnotes. They are really
> > 'Shermanisms'. :-)
>
> > Lewis.
>
> > *****
>
> LOL! Hi Lewis, good to see that some of the old time regulars are still
> checking in. You still riding that Tour EZ clone barefoot? One time I tried
> to joke with Bill Patterson about a photo of him and SO on their tandem
> (wife, I assume) stoker wearing what looked like high heels. Probably all
> those years spent with engineering students left him desentized to smart-ass
> attempts at humor.
>
> How have the solid tires been performing? You were one of the early adopters
> IIRC, but the chatter about better polymers and more sizes seems to have
> faded beyond background noise now, kinda like DuMonde Tech lubes.
>
> got bent, got old, got a trike.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

I haven't ridden a 'bent in many years now and my feet have completely
healed up. :-)

Since retiring and going 'car-free' I rode a single speed with
AirfreeTires for several years and then switched to another bike, with
a fixed gear, last year.

My latest project is converting my fixie to a 3-speed (fixed), which I
hope to have finished very soon.

Kind regards.

Lewis.

*****

Date: 31 Aug 2007 14:01:02
From: limeylew@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Aug 29, 11:56 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> > carlfo...@comcast.net aka Carl Fogel wrote:
> >> Long chains like this tandem/recumbent offering are probably just
> >> longer pieces broken from the same spool, not patched-together shorter
> >> pairs:
> >>http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=600076&subcategory=600010...
>
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
> > That chain is barely long enough for my small drive wheel bikes [1], and
> > would be too short for large drive wheel recumbents where 240-260 link
> > chains are often needed.
> > [1] RANS Rocket and RANS Tailwind.
>
> Hostel Shoppe sells an eleven foot plus (286 links!) chunk [1] of chain:http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?category=606000
> [1] are footnotes necessary with a four line paragraph?
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Those just 'look' like footnotes. They are really
'Shermanisms'. :-)

Lewis.

*****

Date: 31 Aug 2007 12:18:04
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

<limeylew@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1188568862.721103.85690@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 11:56 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> > carlfo...@comcast.net aka Carl Fogel wrote:
>> >> Long chains like this tandem/recumbent offering are probably just
>> >> longer pieces broken from the same spool, not patched-together shorter
>> >> pairs:
>> >>http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=600076&subcategory=600010...
>>
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>
>> > That chain is barely long enough for my small drive wheel bikes [1],
>> > and
>> > would be too short for large drive wheel recumbents where 240-260 link
>> > chains are often needed.
>> > [1] RANS Rocket and RANS Tailwind.
>>
>> Hostel Shoppe sells an eleven foot plus (286 links!) chunk [1] of
>> chain:http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?category=606000
>> [1] are footnotes necessary with a four line paragraph?
>> --
>> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> Those just 'look' like footnotes. They are really
> 'Shermanisms'. :-)
>
> Lewis.
>
> *****
>
LOL! Hi Lewis, good to see that some of the old time regulars are still
checking in. You still riding that Tour EZ clone barefoot? One time I tried
to joke with Bill Patterson about a photo of him and SO on their tandem
(wife, I assume) stoker wearing what looked like high heels. Probably all
those years spent with engineering students left him desentized to smart-ass
attempts at humor.

How have the solid tires been performing? You were one of the early adopters
IIRC, but the chatter about better polymers and more sizes seems to have
faded beyond background noise now, kinda like DuMonde Tech lubes.

got bent, got old, got a trike.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Date: 19 Oct 2007 13:58:11
From: Bill Patterson
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

> LOL! Hi Lewis, good to see that some of the old time regulars are still
> checking in. You still riding that Tour EZ clone barefoot? One time I tried
> to joke with Bill Patterson about a photo of him and SO on their tandem
> (wife, I assume) stoker wearing what looked like high heels. Probably all
> those years spent with engineering students left him desentized to smart-ass
> attempts at humor.

I'll have you know that I resemble that remark. And yes, she still goes
on the tandem every day wearing high heels, makeup and high hair.

How else to lunch here in "Sideways" country.

Bill

--
Some thoughts on Apache helicopter avionics
http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/
http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/id17.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/id16.html

See bikes and the first human powered helicopter at:
http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/
Single Track controls at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/

Reply to wm.patterson@earthlink.net
wpatters@calpoly.edu
william.patterson@1962.usna.com

Date: 20 Oct 2007 16:28:18
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

"Bill Patterson" <wm.patterson@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:47191A63.5080606@earthlink.net...
>
>> LOL! Hi Lewis, good to see that some of the old time regulars are still
>> checking in. You still riding that Tour EZ clone barefoot? One time I
>> tried to joke with Bill Patterson about a photo of him and SO on their
>> tandem (wife, I assume) stoker wearing what looked like high heels.
>> Probably all those years spent with engineering students left him
>> desentized to smart-ass attempts at humor.
>
> I'll have you know that I resemble that remark. And yes, she still goes on
> the tandem every day wearing high heels, makeup and high hair.
>
> How else to lunch here in "Sideways" country.
>
> Bill
>
>
> --
> Some thoughts on Apache helicopter avionics
> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/
> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/id17.html
> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/id16.html
>
> See bikes and the first human powered helicopter at:
> http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/
> Single Track controls at:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/
>
> Reply to wm.patterson@earthlink.net
> wpatters@calpoly.edu
> william.patterson@1962.usna.com

LOL! Too bad more of the old timers don't hang out here anymore. We used to
be able to chew the fat and toss the bull and talk about bents. Now there's
just so much hostility and lack of common respect. And no sense of humor!

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Date: 22 Oct 2007 16:31:42
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

In article
<471a6706$0$29634$88260bb3@free.teranews.com >,
"gotbent" <gotbent@spamtrap.com > wrote:

> "Bill Patterson" <wm.patterson@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:47191A63.5080606@earthlink.net...
> >
> >> LOL! Hi Lewis, good to see that some of the old time regulars are still
> >> checking in. You still riding that Tour EZ clone barefoot? One time I
> >> tried to joke with Bill Patterson about a photo of him and SO on their
> >> tandem (wife, I assume) stoker wearing what looked like high heels.
> >> Probably all those years spent with engineering students left him
> >> desentized to smart-ass attempts at humor.
> >
> > I'll have you know that I resemble that remark. And yes, she still goes on
> > the tandem every day wearing high heels, makeup and high hair.
> >
> > How else to lunch here in "Sideways" country.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > --
> > Some thoughts on Apache helicopter avionics
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/id17.html
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/id16.html
> >
> > See bikes and the first human powered helicopter at:
> > http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/
> > Single Track controls at:
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/
> >
> > Reply to wm.patterson@earthlink.net
> > wpatters@calpoly.edu
> > william.patterson@1962.usna.com
>
> LOL! Too bad more of the old timers don't hang out here anymore. We used to
> be able to chew the fat and toss the bull and talk about bents. Now there's
> just so much hostility and lack of common respect. And no sense of humor!

Where?

--
Michael Press

Date: 22 Oct 2007 17:55:20
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <471a6706$0$29634$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
> "gotbent" <gotbent@spamtrap.com> wrote:
>
>> "Bill Patterson" <wm.patterson@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:47191A63.5080606@earthlink.net...
>>>> LOL! Hi Lewis, good to see that some of the old time regulars are still
>>>> checking in. You still riding that Tour EZ clone barefoot? One time I
>>>> tried to joke with Bill Patterson about a photo of him and SO on their
>>>> tandem (wife, I assume) stoker wearing what looked like high heels.
>>>> Probably all those years spent with engineering students left him
>>>> desentized to smart-ass attempts at humor.
>>> I'll have you know that I resemble that remark. And yes, she still goes on
>>> the tandem every day wearing high heels, makeup and high hair.
>>>
>>> How else to lunch here in "Sideways" country.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Some thoughts on Apache helicopter avionics
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/id17.html
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/helicopterthoughts/id16.html
>>>
>>> See bikes and the first human powered helicopter at:
>>> http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/
>>> Single Track controls at:
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/
>>>
>>> Reply to wm.patterson@earthlink.net
>>> wpatters@calpoly.edu
>>> william.patterson@1962.usna.com
>> LOL! Too bad more of the old timers don't hang out here anymore. We used to
>> be able to chew the fat and toss the bull and talk about bents. Now there's
>> just so much hostility and lack of common respect. And no sense of humor!
>
> Where?
>
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

Date: 26 Aug 2007 21:20:59
From: Doug Taylor
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:50:08 GMT, "Bill" <bill@example.invalid > wrote:

>Shop guys, what's recommended for a durable and economical 10 speed chain?
>Searching turns up lots of conversations about compatibility but not much
>for current thoughts on performace/durability/cost. My SRAM is heading for
>end of life. Currently using a PC1070 with the Wipperman link, that
>combination is a winner. Didn't even try the "never remove" SRAM link

IRD with Snap-Link (symmetrical like SRAM 9-speed Powerlink, unlike
asymmetrical Wipperman Connex). $30 @
http://www.glorycycles.com/irdsh10spchw.html

More expensive version:
http://store.interlocracing.com/irchfsh10.html

Date: 27 Aug 2007 00:47:26
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/he_who_slings_mud_generally_loses_ground/222843.html

http://ae.atmos.uah.edu/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity

Date: 26 Aug 2007 05:55:47
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Aug 24, 8:50 am, "Bill" <b...@example.invalid > wrote:
> Shop guys, what's recommended for a durable and economical 10 speed chain?
> Searching turns up lots of conversations about compatibility but not much
> for current thoughts on performace/durability/cost. My SRAM is heading for
> end of life. Currently using a PC1070 with the Wipperman link, that
> combination is a winner. Didn't even try the "never remove" SRAM link.
> Thanks,
> Bill

Least expensive compatible chain. With a Wipperman link..105 shimano
seems to be the least expensive right now. ALL are 5.9mm..all can be
used on all 10s systems.

Date: 25 Aug 2007 21:09:41
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Aug 25, 8:57 pm, Colin Campbell <cmca...@adelphia.net > wrote:
> Larry Dickman wrote:
> > Colin Campbell <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote in
> >news:46cf41dc$0$31875$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
> >> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
> >> at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy across
> >> the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The recumbent
> >> chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but are
> >> otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch - half a
> >> dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a bargain
> >> price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.
>
> > There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made by
> > splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>
> After I posted, I tried looking for chains for recumbent bikes using
> Google and some of the big national bike "shops". I couldn't find
> anything. I'll ask the guy who told the story next time I see him!

Nashbar had 9-speed KMC 'bent chains like the 8-speed one linked above
not too long ago. That's probably the deal of which he spoke.

Date: 26 Aug 2007 02:44:05
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

This may not be commonly known
but riders who say "I have 10,000 miles on my chain/cassette"
loose ground

Date: 25 Aug 2007 21:03:22
From: Colin Campbell
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

datakoll wrote:
> This may not be commonly known
> but riders who say "I have 10,000 miles on my chain/cassette"
> loose ground
>
Well, I sure lost ground today, but I was riding the bike with only
9,000 km on the original chain.

What do you mean by "loose ground"? Dust?

Date: 25 Aug 2007 21:32:08
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Colin Campbell wrote:
> datakoll wrote:
>> This may not be commonly known
>> but riders who say "I have 10,000 miles on my chain/cassette"
>> loose ground
>>
> Well, I sure lost ground today, but I was riding the bike with only
> 9,000 km on the original chain.
>
> What do you mean by "loose ground"? Dust?

nah, they're "losing ground" if they're really covering only one mile
when they /say/ they're covering three...

Date: 24 Aug 2007 09:37:33
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Aug 24, 7:50 am, "Bill" <b...@example.invalid > wrote:
> Shop guys, what's recommended for a durable and economical 10 speed chain?
> Searching turns up lots of conversations about compatibility but not much
> for current thoughts on performace/durability/cost. My SRAM is heading for
> end of life. Currently using a PC1070 with the Wipperman link, that
> combination is a winner. Didn't even try the "never remove" SRAM link.
> Thanks,
> Bill

The best durability for your drivetrain overall is frequent chain
replacement. Get whatever's cheapest and looks acceptable to you. As
long as it says 10-speed, brand won't matter.

Date: 24 Aug 2007 13:38:52
From: Colin Campbell
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Hank Wirtz wrote:
> On Aug 24, 7:50 am, "Bill" <b...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Shop guys, what's recommended for a durable and economical 10 speed chain?
>> Searching turns up lots of conversations about compatibility but not much
>> for current thoughts on performace/durability/cost. My SRAM is heading for
>> end of life. Currently using a PC1070 with the Wipperman link, that
>> combination is a winner. Didn't even try the "never remove" SRAM link.
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> The best durability for your drivetrain overall is frequent chain
> replacement. Get whatever's cheapest and looks acceptable to you. As
> long as it says 10-speed, brand won't matter.
>
Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked at
McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy across the
table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The recumbent chains
have twice the number of links of a road chain, but are otherwise
identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch - half a dozen, he
said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a bargain price.
Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.

On the other hand, my bike that was sitting outside has about 18,000 km
(over 10,000 miles) on the chain / cassette. I bought a new cassette
and chain something like a year ago, but the stuff on the bike just
won't wear out. It's Campy Record 10-speed. My "new" bike, one year
old this month, also Campy Record 10-speed, is at 9000 km and counting....

Date: 25 Aug 2007 19:14:40
From: Larry Dickman
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net > wrote in
news:46cf41dc$0$31875$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
> at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy across
> the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The recumbent
> chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but are
> otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch - half a
> dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a bargain
> price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.

There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made by
splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.

--
Larry Dickman <LDickman@comcast.net >

Date: 27 Aug 2007 00:19:01
From: chuck
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On 2007-08-25, Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net > wrote:
> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in
> news:46cf41dc$0$31875$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
>> at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy across
>> the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The recumbent
>> chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but are
>> otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch - half a
>> dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a bargain
>> price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.
>
> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made by
> splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>
That's strange. I buy recumbent chains from Nashbar for my recumbent and
split them in half getting 2 out of 1 for my hybrid.

Date: 28 Aug 2007 04:19:33
From: Larry Dickman
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

chuck <chuck@invalid.net > wrote in news:VLoAi.6247$yv3.5317@trndny01:

> On 2007-08-25, Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in
>> news:46cf41dc$0$31875$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>>
>>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
>>> at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy
>>> across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
>>> recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but
>>> are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch -
>>> half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a
>>> bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.
>>
>> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>>
> That's strange. I buy recumbent chains from Nashbar for my recumbent
> and split them in half getting 2 out of 1 for my hybrid.

I only use Shimano chains. Nashbar only sells recumbent KMC chains, and
they are only 8 speed.

--
Larry Dickman <LDickman@comcast.net >

Date: 25 Aug 2007 20:57:16
From: Colin Campbell
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Larry Dickman wrote:
> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in
> news:46cf41dc$0$31875$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
>> at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy across
>> the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The recumbent
>> chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but are
>> otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch - half a
>> dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a bargain
>> price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.
>
> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made by
> splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>
After I posted, I tried looking for chains for recumbent bikes using
Google and some of the big national bike "shops". I couldn't find
anything. I'll ask the guy who told the story next time I see him!

Date: 26 Aug 2007 14:35:57
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

>> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote
>>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
>>> at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy across
>>> the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The recumbent
>>> chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but are
>>> otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch - half a
>>> dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a bargain
>>> price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.

> Larry Dickman wrote:
>> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.

Colin Campbell wrote:
> After I posted, I tried looking for chains for recumbent bikes using
> Google and some of the big national bike "shops". I couldn't find
> anything. I'll ask the guy who told the story next time I see him!

Consult a recumbent expert:
http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?category=606000

and there are various recumbent designs, see also:
http://www.hostelshoppe.com/tech_chainlength.php

Looking for recumbent specialty items in the bicycle industry will prove
frustrating, I agree. As I mentioned earlier, the recumbent business is
different from our own in many respects. Fortunately, they have their
own experts!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Date: 29 Aug 2007 22:16:59
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Recumbents? (was: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??)

Andrew Muzi mused:
> ...
> Looking for recumbent specialty items in the bicycle industry will prove
> frustrating, I agree. As I mentioned earlier, the recumbent business is
> different from our own in many respects. Fortunately, they have their
> own experts!

True in many respects. Most successful recumbent dealers sell only
recumbents, or have a separate building or store with staff dedicated to
recumbents. The attempt by many LBS to sell recumbents as a sideline in
the late 1990's was typically not successful.

However, except for seats, handlebars and risers and chain management
idlers, about every other component found on most recumbents is a part
originally designed for an upright bicycle.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 08:44:41
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Recumbents?

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Andrew Muzi mused:
>> ...
>> Looking for recumbent specialty items in the bicycle industry will
>> prove frustrating, I agree. As I mentioned earlier, the recumbent
>> business is different from our own in many respects. Fortunately, they
>> have their own experts!
>
> True in many respects. Most successful recumbent dealers sell only
> recumbents, or have a separate building or store with staff dedicated to
> recumbents.

In the UK several of the Usual Suspects for buying a 'bent aren't
recumbent only, but specialise in any sort of bike you wouldn't expect
to see in a typical bike shop. So you might well find folders,
freighters, cargo trailers, roadsters etc. as well as 'bents but not a
mountain bike or road racer in sight.

> However, except for seats, handlebars and risers and chain management
> idlers, about every other component found on most recumbents is a part
> originally designed for an upright bicycle.

Indeed. My LBSs don't sell 'bents but when I took in my first one to
have a triple put on it was immediately realised that it was going to be
exactly the same job as on an upwrong and the job was happily taken on
and a good job done with everyone happy.

Pete.
--
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 13:31:30
From: Colin Campbell
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

A Muzi wrote:
>>> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote
>>>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
>>>> at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy across
>>>> the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The recumbent
>>>> chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but are
>>>> otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch - half a
>>>> dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a bargain
>>>> price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.
>
>> Larry Dickman wrote:
>>> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>>> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>
> Colin Campbell wrote:
>> After I posted, I tried looking for chains for recumbent bikes using
>> Google and some of the big national bike "shops". I couldn't find
>> anything. I'll ask the guy who told the story next time I see him!
>
> Consult a recumbent expert:
> http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?category=606000
>
> and there are various recumbent designs, see also:
> http://www.hostelshoppe.com/tech_chainlength.php
>
> Looking for recumbent specialty items in the bicycle industry will prove
> frustrating, I agree. As I mentioned earlier, the recumbent business is
> different from our own in many respects. Fortunately, they have their
> own experts!

Wow, the price on the 9-speed chain is NOT a bargain at $134!

http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=983898506

Date: 25 Aug 2007 13:02:32
From: Ted Bennett
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net > wrote:

> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote:
> > Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us talked
> > at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The guy across
> > the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The recumbent
> > chains have twice the number of links of a road chain, but are
> > otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch - half a
> > dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike at a bargain
> > price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his plan.

> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made by
> splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.

Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.

Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.

--
Ted Bennett

Date: 25 Aug 2007 21:49:46
From: Larry Dickman
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Ted Bennett <tedbennett@earthlink.net > wrote in
news:tedbennett-1A547B.13023225082007@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:

> Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> > Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us
>> > talked at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The
>> > guy across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
>> > recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain,
>> > but are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch
>> > - half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike
>> > at a bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his
>> > plan.
>
>> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>
> Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
> cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.
>
> Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
> addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.
>

Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain (no off brands
either).

--
Larry Dickman <LDickman@comcast.net >

Date: 29 Aug 2007 21:51:09
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Larry Dickman wrote:
> ...
> Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain...

Pun intended?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 20:20:27
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

>>> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us
>>>> talked at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The
>>>> guy across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
>>>> recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain,
>>>> but are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch
>>>> - half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike
>>>> at a bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his
>>>> plan.

>> Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>>> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.

> Ted Bennett <tedbennett@earthlink.net> wrote
>> Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
>> cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.
>> Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
>> addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.

Larry Dickman wrote:
> Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain (no off brands
> either).

Yes, bike factories receive chain on spools; It's a standard commodity.
You'd pay significantly for delivery as the spools normally go in a
scheduled can to the bike assembly factory. If you're serious contact me
directly. Short answer=Yes. A spool of chain can be routed from China
to you it just takes logistic effort.

This is a bit like the difference between a railcar full of steel sheet
versus a single automobile body panel.

If you should require a few hundred spools, not just one, contact:
http://www.kmcchain.com/index.php?ln=en&fn=about_overview

p.s. Some in the recumbent industry, a different business from our own,
do now have their own chain packaging.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Date: 25 Aug 2007 20:24:36
From:
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:20:27 -0500, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org >
wrote:

>>>> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us
>>>>> talked at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The
>>>>> guy across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
>>>>> recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain,
>>>>> but are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch
>>>>> - half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike
>>>>> at a bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his
>>>>> plan.
>
> >> Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>>>> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>
>> Ted Bennett <tedbennett@earthlink.net> wrote
>>> Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
>>> cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.
>>> Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
>>> addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.
>
>Larry Dickman wrote:
>> Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain (no off brands
>> either).
>
>Yes, bike factories receive chain on spools; It's a standard commodity.
>You'd pay significantly for delivery as the spools normally go in a
>scheduled can to the bike assembly factory. If you're serious contact me
> directly. Short answer=Yes. A spool of chain can be routed from China
>to you it just takes logistic effort.
>
>This is a bit like the difference between a railcar full of steel sheet
>versus a single automobile body panel.
>
>If you should require a few hundred spools, not just one, contact:
>http://www.kmcchain.com/index.php?ln=en&fn=about_overview
>
>
>p.s. Some in the recumbent industry, a different business from our own,
>do now have their own chain packaging.

Dear Andrew,

Long chains like this tandem/recumbent offering are probably just
longer pieces broken from the same spool, not patched-together shorter
pairs:

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=600076&subcategory=60001099&brand=&sku=12655&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Shop%20by%20Subcat%3A%20Chains

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Date: 29 Aug 2007 22:09:09
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

carlfogel@comcast.net aka Carl Fogel wrote:
> ...
> Long chains like this tandem/recumbent offering are probably just
> longer pieces broken from the same spool, not patched-together shorter
> pairs:
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=600076&subcategory=60001099&brand=&sku=12655&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Shop%20by%20Subcat%3A%20Chains

That chain is barely long enough for my small drive wheel bikes [1], and
would be too short for large drive wheel recumbents where 240-260 link
chains are often needed.

[1] RANS Rocket and RANS Tailwind.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 23:56:05
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

> carlfogel@comcast.net aka Carl Fogel wrote:
>> Long chains like this tandem/recumbent offering are probably just
>> longer pieces broken from the same spool, not patched-together shorter
>> pairs:
>> http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=600076&subcategory=60001099&brand=&sku=12655&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Shop%20by%20Subcat%3A%20Chains

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> That chain is barely long enough for my small drive wheel bikes [1], and
> would be too short for large drive wheel recumbents where 240-260 link
> chains are often needed.
> [1] RANS Rocket and RANS Tailwind.

Hostel Shoppe sells an eleven foot plus (286 links!) chunk [1] of chain:
http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?category=606000
[1] are footnotes necessary with a four line paragraph?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Date: 26 Aug 2007 14:09:01
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

>>>>> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us
>>>>>> talked at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The
>>>>>> guy across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
>>>>>> recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain,
>>>>>> but are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch
>>>>>> - half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike
>>>>>> at a bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his
>>>>>> plan.

>> >> Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>>>>> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.

>>> Ted Bennett <tedbennett@earthlink.net> wrote
>>>> Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
>>>> cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.
>>>> Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
>>>> addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.

>> Larry Dickman wrote:
>>> Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain (no off brands
>>> either).

>A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Yes, bike factories receive chain on spools; It's a standard commodity.
>> You'd pay significantly for delivery as the spools normally go in a
>> scheduled can to the bike assembly factory. If you're serious contact me
>> directly. Short answer=Yes. A spool of chain can be routed from China
>> to you it just takes logistic effort.
>> This is a bit like the difference between a railcar full of steel sheet
>> versus a single automobile body panel.
>> If you should require a few hundred spools, not just one, contact:
>> http://www.kmcchain.com/index.php?ln=en&fn=about_overview
>> p.s. Some in the recumbent industry, a different business from our own,
>> do now have their own chain packaging.

carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> Long chains like this tandem/recumbent offering are probably just
> longer pieces broken from the same spool, not patched-together shorter
> pairs:
> http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=600076&subcategory=60001099&brand=&sku=12655&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=Shop%20by%20Subcat%3A%20Chains

Correct. The end user needn't buy "three chains" as packaging for
'recumbent use' is now available.

see also 1/8 chain which is sold both in 112-link/110-link "fixed" and
98-link "BMX/20-inch" packages. Same price usually too! Bike assemblers
use a bench-mount fixture to split chain off spools for a specific model
bikes. The replacement parts industry specifies various lengths,
finishes, lubrication and packaging based on their pet theories for
market segment's forecasts. When they guess wrong we get 'closeouts'.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Date: 25 Aug 2007 14:56:28
From: Ted Bennett
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

In article <Xns99979769872B2LDickmancomcastnet@130.133.1.4 >,
Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net > wrote:

> Ted Bennett <tedbennett@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:tedbennett-1A547B.13023225082007@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
>
> > Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >> > Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us
> >> > talked at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The
> >> > guy across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
> >> > recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain,
> >> > but are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch
> >> > - half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike
> >> > at a bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his
> >> > plan.
> >
> >> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
> >> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
> >
> > Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
> > cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.
> >
> > Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
> > addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.
> >
>
> Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain (no off brands
> either).

I cannot. However such spools exist; I had one that I purchased
through a bike maker.

--
Ted Bennett

Date: 25 Aug 2007 16:34:20
From:
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:56:28 -0700, Ted Bennett
<tedbennett@earthlink.net > wrote:

>In article <Xns99979769872B2LDickmancomcastnet@130.133.1.4>,
> Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Ted Bennett <tedbennett@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:tedbennett-1A547B.13023225082007@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
>>
>> > Larry Dickman <LDickmanREMOVETHIS@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> >> > Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us
>> >> > talked at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The
>> >> > guy across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
>> >> > recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain,
>> >> > but are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch
>> >> > - half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike
>> >> > at a bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his
>> >> > plan.
>> >
>> >> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>> >> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.
>> >
>> > Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
>> > cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.
>> >
>> > Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
>> > addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.
>> >
>>
>> Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain (no off brands
>> either).
>
>I cannot. However such spools exist; I had one that I purchased
>through a bike maker.

Dear Ted,

Probably something like this:

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007082517273724&item=1-2887&catname=powerTrans

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Date: 25 Aug 2007 19:17:02
From: Ted Bennett
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Colin Campbell wrote:
> >> >> > Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us
> >> >> > talked at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The
> >> >> > guy across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
> >> >> > recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain,
> >> >> > but are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch
> >> >> > - half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike
> >> >> > at a bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his
> >> >> > plan.

Larry Dickman wrote:
> >> >> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
> >> >> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.

Ted Bennett wrote:
> >> > Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
> >> > cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.
> >> >
> >> > Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
> >> > addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.

Larry Dickman wrote:
> >> Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain (no off brands
> >> either).

Ted Bennett wrote:
> >I cannot. However such spools exist; I had one that I purchased
> >through a bike maker.

> Dear Ted,
>
> Probably something like this:
>
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007082517273724&item=1-2887&catname
> =powerTrans
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel

Thank you, Carl. The chain at that location probably would not satisfy
Larry's strict restriction of "no off brands", but for someone who needs
500 feet of 1/2 x 1/8 inch chain, it's a rather good deal.

http://www.drillspot.com/products/276013/Panacea_2710_1_2x1_8_Bike_Chain
has 1/2 x 1/8 for $6.24 delivered. Even at that low price, you could
cut 105 of them off that roll, and sell them all, you would turn a
handsome profit of $655.2-300= over Three Hundred Fifty Dollars profit!
Of course, there's a little labor involved.

Sorry shop owners. I have given away for free the secrets of your vast
wealth. But I digress.

Larry Dickman would likely prefer a chain that could be used on a
derailer drivetrain, as would I. But I'm sure that derailer chain is
also available in similar format.

Oh good, I see that Mr. Muzi backs me up. Despite my having destroyed
the chain repackaging profit stream.

--
Ted Bennett

Date: 26 Aug 2007 13:57:08
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

> Colin Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>> Curiously, that subject came up this morning as a group of us
>>>>>>> talked at McDonald's over coffee (or Coca-Cola, in my case). The
>>>>>>> guy across the table said he shops for recumbent chain deals. The
>>>>>>> recumbent chains have twice the number of links of a road chain,
>>>>>>> but are otherwise identical. So he finds a good deal, buys a bunch
>>>>>>> - half a dozen, he said - and has twelve chains for his road bike
>>>>>>> at a bargain price. Short chain life and long cassette life is his
>>>>>>> plan.

> Larry Dickman wrote:
>>>>>> There's no such thing as a recumbent chain. Recumbent chains are made
>>>>>> by splicing together chains made for "upright" bikes.

> Ted Bennett wrote:
>>>>> Another way of looking at it is that chains for all bikes are made by
>>>>> cutting the appropriate length from a spool of chain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some manufacturers supply chain in 150-meter lengths on spools, in
>>>>> addition to the standard bicycle length of 57 links.

> Larry Dickman wrote:
>>>> Provide a link where a consumer can buy a spool of chain (no off brands
>>>> either).

> Ted Bennett wrote:
>>> I cannot. However such spools exist; I had one that I purchased
>>> through a bike maker.

Carl Fogel wrote:
>> Probably something like this:
>> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007082517273724&item=1-2887&catname
>> =powerTrans

Ted Bennett wrote:
> Thank you, Carl. The chain at that location probably would not satisfy
> Larry's strict restriction of "no off brands", but for someone who needs
> 500 feet of 1/2 x 1/8 inch chain, it's a rather good deal.
>
> http://www.drillspot.com/products/276013/Panacea_2710_1_2x1_8_Bike_Chain
> has 1/2 x 1/8 for $6.24 delivered. Even at that low price, you could
> cut 105 of them off that roll, and sell them all, you would turn a
> handsome profit of $655.2-300= over Three Hundred Fifty Dollars profit!
> Of course, there's a little labor involved.
>
> Sorry shop owners. I have given away for free the secrets of your vast
> wealth. But I digress.
>
> Larry Dickman would likely prefer a chain that could be used on a
> derailer drivetrain, as would I. But I'm sure that derailer chain is
> also available in similar format.
>
> Oh good, I see that Mr. Muzi backs me up. Despite my having destroyed
> the chain repackaging profit stream.

Ted, we'll in our Swiss villas laughing after we cut up a few spools of
chain to retail packaging and sell them all here on r.b.t. We'll top
that fortune off with the income stream from valve caps my mechanics
left off tire changes.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Date: 29 Aug 2007 22:03:05
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Andrew Muzi mused:
>
> Ted, we'll in our Swiss villas laughing...

Translation: rode bicycle to New Glarus. ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 20:27:13
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

Date: 24 Aug 2007 14:52:36
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Longest wearing 10 speed chain??

"Bill" <bill@example.invalid > wrote in message
news:AeCzi.51712$ax1.10525@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Shop guys, what's recommended for a durable and economical 10 speed chain?
> Searching turns up lots of conversations about compatibility but not much
> for current thoughts on performace/durability/cost. My SRAM is heading
for
> end of life. Currently using a PC1070 with the Wipperman link, that
> combination is a winner. Didn't even try the "never remove" SRAM link.
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
If it matters, the drive train is SRAM Force.