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Date: 20 Aug 2007 21:19:23
From: Steve Sr.
Subject: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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Hello,
I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
started cracking at the spoke holes. These were replaced under
warranty and now the new set has about 4K miles on them. If these are
like the first set I don't have too much time left on them. I would
like to line up replacement rims now.
The specs on the rims are as follows:
E.R.D. = 598.6mm
Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
Manufacturer = Alex?
I would like to reuse the spokes as they are straight pull and should
be in good shape. This is why I need a replacement rim with the same
or very close E.R.D. Can anyone give me some suggestions for good rims
and/or places to look?
Have any of you ever heard of Alex as a rim manufacturer? Obviously I
would like to avoid these. At only 150 Lbs. I shouldn't be hard on a
set of wheels.
Thanks,
Steve
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 01:54:43
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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Steve Sr. wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> >Alex rims have lasted better for me, like for like, than any other
> >rims-- and I weigh more than twice what you do.
>
> Are your rims that you have had good luck with full spoke count or
> reduced like mine?
I've only used 36- and 48-hole Alex rims. That's high spoke count,
but it's still more pounds of me per spoke, to put it in
perspective.
Your first pair of rims may have been incorrectly heat-treated,
leading to brittleness. Or they may have been poorly lubricated on
assembly, resulting in galling at the rim-nipple interface.
Chalo
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 01:00:40
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Aug 21, 7:55 pm, Steve Sr. <Nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:00:54 -0000, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Steve Sr. wrote:
>
> >> I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
> >> Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
> >> started cracking at the spoke holes.
> >...
> >> The specs on the rims are as follows:
>
> >> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
> >> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
> >> Manufacturer = Alex?
>
> >> Have any of you ever heard of Alex as a rim manufacturer? Obviously I
> >> would like to avoid these. At only 150 Lbs. I shouldn't be hard on a
> >> set of wheels.
>
> >You may gave gotten a defective wheelset the first time-- and as
> >landotter points out, that could have more to do with the build than
> >with the rims themselves. Alex Rims are made with stronger aluminum
> >alloy than most of the better-known rim manufacturers use. I can't
> >recommend another maker over Alex-- although I don't know anything
> >about the particular rim design in question.
>
> The old set of wheels was checked for spoke tension when they were
> traded out. Tension was even and only slightly higher than the
> manufacturer (Real-Design) spec. So it appears that they were properly
> assembled.
>
>
>
> >Alex rims have lasted better for me, like for like, than any other
> >rims-- and I weigh more than twice what you do.
>
> Are your rims that you have had good luck with full spoke count or
> reduced like mine?
Chalo and I are both big fans of Alex rims, but I do believe that both
of us run traditional spoke counts. Low spoke count wheels need
beefier rims, as there's no free lunch, so that is likely the problem.
You should be just fine relacing onto Velocity Aeroheads. Don't pull
the spokes, just electric tap the wheel to the new rim and transfer
the spokes one by one if you're lazy. This allows them to stay in
their same position and not get stressed in a different way...but I've
built a few wheels with used spokes that are fine. Have fun!
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 20:51:31
From: Steve Sr.
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:00:40 -0000, landotter <landotter@gmail.com >
wrote:
>On Aug 21, 7:55 pm, Steve Sr. <Nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:00:54 -0000, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Steve Sr. wrote:
>>
>> >> I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
>> >> Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
>> >> started cracking at the spoke holes.
>> >...
>> >> The specs on the rims are as follows:
>>
>> >> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
>> >> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
>> >> Manufacturer = Alex?
>>
>> >> Have any of you ever heard of Alex as a rim manufacturer? Obviously I
>> >> would like to avoid these. At only 150 Lbs. I shouldn't be hard on a
>> >> set of wheels.
>>
>> >You may gave gotten a defective wheelset the first time-- and as
>> >landotter points out, that could have more to do with the build than
>> >with the rims themselves. Alex Rims are made with stronger aluminum
>> >alloy than most of the better-known rim manufacturers use. I can't
>> >recommend another maker over Alex-- although I don't know anything
>> >about the particular rim design in question.
>>
>> The old set of wheels was checked for spoke tension when they were
>> traded out. Tension was even and only slightly higher than the
>> manufacturer (Real-Design) spec. So it appears that they were properly
>> assembled.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Alex rims have lasted better for me, like for like, than any other
>> >rims-- and I weigh more than twice what you do.
>>
>> Are your rims that you have had good luck with full spoke count or
>> reduced like mine?
>
>Chalo and I are both big fans of Alex rims, but I do believe that both
>of us run traditional spoke counts. Low spoke count wheels need
>beefier rims, as there's no free lunch, so that is likely the problem.
>You should be just fine relacing onto Velocity Aeroheads. Don't pull
>the spokes, just electric tap the wheel to the new rim and transfer
>the spokes one by one if you're lazy. This allows them to stay in
>their same position and not get stressed in a different way...but I've
>built a few wheels with used spokes that are fine. Have fun!
I just took a look at the Alex web site and they do indeed list a rim,
the R400, that apparently matches the originals to the ERD and number
of holes.
So maybe the combination of no eyelets and spoke count at the bottom
of the range are the real issues in the apparent lack of durability in
these wheels. I wonder if any other rim (velocity or otherwise) will
have the same issues for the same reasons?
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 12:16:24
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Aug 20, 9:33 pm, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> Steve Sr. wrote:
> > Hello,
>
> > I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
> > Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
> > started cracking at the spoke holes. These were replaced under
> > warranty and now the new set has about 4K miles on them. If these are
> > like the first set I don't have too much time left on them. I would
> > like to line up replacement rims now.
>
> > The specs on the rims are as follows:
>
> > E.R.D. = 598.6mm
> > Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
> > Manufacturer = Alex?
>
> Velocity Arrowhead match, as do Mavic CXP33, 30 , and 23. But finding
> them in 20-spoke versions will be hard.
>
> --
>
> David L. Johnson
>
> Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig...
> You soon find out the pig likes it!
As will 24h, don't think CXP-33 was ever 24h. 597mm erd for CXP-33..23
was 600 I think..I'd have to look up CXP-30..not made for a decade.
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 12:13:59
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Aug 20, 7:19 pm, Steve Sr. <Nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
> Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
> started cracking at the spoke holes. These were replaced under
> warranty and now the new set has about 4K miles on them. If these are
> like the first set I don't have too much time left on them. I would
> like to line up replacement rims now.
>
> The specs on the rims are as follows:
>
> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
> Manufacturer = Alex?
>
> I would like to reuse the spokes as they are straight pull and should
> be in good shape. This is why I need a replacement rim with the same
> or very close E.R.D. Can anyone give me some suggestions for good rims
> and/or places to look?
>
> Have any of you ever heard of Alex as a rim manufacturer? Obviously I
> would like to avoid these. At only 150 Lbs. I shouldn't be hard on a
> set of wheels.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
Well, you could use a Velocity Aerohead OC for the rear..similar ERD
and 24h available..
If you can't find a rim(Aerohead ERD is 602mm), you could always get
spokes to use for the front. OR use an Aerohead and use 16mm nipples..
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 07:00:54
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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Steve Sr. wrote:
>
> I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
> Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
> started cracking at the spoke holes.
...
> The specs on the rims are as follows:
>
> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
> Manufacturer = Alex?
>
> Have any of you ever heard of Alex as a rim manufacturer? Obviously I
> would like to avoid these. At only 150 Lbs. I shouldn't be hard on a
> set of wheels.
You may gave gotten a defective wheelset the first time-- and as
landotter points out, that could have more to do with the build than
with the rims themselves. Alex Rims are made with stronger aluminum
alloy than most of the better-known rim manufacturers use. I can't
recommend another maker over Alex-- although I don't know anything
about the particular rim design in question.
Alex rims have lasted better for me, like for like, than any other
rims-- and I weigh more than twice what you do.
Chalo
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 20:55:42
From: Steve Sr.
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:00:54 -0000, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com >
wrote:
>Steve Sr. wrote:
>>
>> I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
>> Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
>> started cracking at the spoke holes.
>...
>> The specs on the rims are as follows:
>>
>> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
>> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
>> Manufacturer = Alex?
>>
>> Have any of you ever heard of Alex as a rim manufacturer? Obviously I
>> would like to avoid these. At only 150 Lbs. I shouldn't be hard on a
>> set of wheels.
>
>You may gave gotten a defective wheelset the first time-- and as
>landotter points out, that could have more to do with the build than
>with the rims themselves. Alex Rims are made with stronger aluminum
>alloy than most of the better-known rim manufacturers use. I can't
>recommend another maker over Alex-- although I don't know anything
>about the particular rim design in question.
The old set of wheels was checked for spoke tension when they were
traded out. Tension was even and only slightly higher than the
manufacturer (Real-Design) spec. So it appears that they were properly
assembled.
>
>Alex rims have lasted better for me, like for like, than any other
>rims-- and I weigh more than twice what you do.
Are your rims that you have had good luck with full spoke count or
reduced like mine?
Steve
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 22:10:11
From: JeffWills
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Aug 20, 7:31 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
> is rain the worst for wear and tear on a bike in general?
Rain and not maintaining your bike. Clean the grit off the rim and out
of the brake pads and the rims will last a lot longer. You don't want
this to happen:
http://home.comcast.net/~jeff_wills/rites2005/pages/rites042.htm
Jeff
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 22:03:46
From: Ron Ruff
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Aug 20, 7:19 pm, Steve Sr. <Nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
> Manufacturer = Alex?
Sounds like the R400 (exact match on published ERD at least)... that
should be a good rim. The Aeroheads would be a good alternative.
Which eyelets were cracking... and are these 2.0/1.5mm or 2.0/1.8mm
spokes?
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 21:02:34
From: Steve Sr.
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:03:46 -0700, Ron Ruff <rruffrruff@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>On Aug 20, 7:19 pm, Steve Sr. <Nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
>> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
>> Manufacturer = Alex?
>
>Sounds like the R400 (exact match on published ERD at least)... that
>should be a good rim. The Aeroheads would be a good alternative.
Is than an Alex R400?
>Which eyelets were cracking...
These wheels have no eyelets under the nipples. Could this be part of
the problem?
>and are these 2.0/1.5mm or 2.0/1.8mm
>spokes?
What are these numbers refering to? Nipple and spoke diameter? I don't
have the bike at home to measure. It stays at work (under camera
surveilance) during the week for lunch time rides. I'll check these
two dimensions tomorrow.
Steve
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Date: 22 Aug 2007 20:56:30
From: Steve Sr.
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:02:34 -0400, Steve Sr. <Nospam@nospam.com >
wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:03:46 -0700, Ron Ruff <rruffrruff@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Aug 20, 7:19 pm, Steve Sr. <Nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
>>> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
>>> Manufacturer = Alex?
>>
>>Sounds like the R400 (exact match on published ERD at least)... that
>>should be a good rim. The Aeroheads would be a good alternative.
>
>Is than an Alex R400?
>
>>Which eyelets were cracking...
>
>These wheels have no eyelets under the nipples. Could this be part of
>the problem?
>
>>and are these 2.0/1.5mm or 2.0/1.8mm
>>spokes?
>
>What are these numbers refering to? Nipple and spoke diameter? I don't
>have the bike at home to measure. It stays at work (under camera
>surveilance) during the week for lunch time rides. I'll check these
>two dimensions tomorrow.
>
>Steve
I checked the spokes at work today. They are double-butted 1.8/2.0mm.
Steve
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 23:33:04
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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Steve Sr. wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
> Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
> started cracking at the spoke holes. These were replaced under
> warranty and now the new set has about 4K miles on them. If these are
> like the first set I don't have too much time left on them. I would
> like to line up replacement rims now.
>
> The specs on the rims are as follows:
>
> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
> Manufacturer = Alex?
Velocity Arrowhead match, as do Mavic CXP33, 30 , and 23. But finding
them in 20-spoke versions will be hard.
--
David L. Johnson
Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig...
You soon find out the pig likes it!
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 20:31:48
From:
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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is rain the worst for wear and tear on a bike in general?
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 19:50:21
From:
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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except for some wear on the brake track (which happens to all rims
when used with
> rim brakes).
How many kms for this to happen, does it make the wheel dangorous and
need to be replaced?
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 22:02:18
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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vyaw2003@gmail.com wrote:
> except for some wear on the brake track (which happens to all rims
> when used with
>> rim brakes).
>
> How many kms for this to happen, does it make the wheel dangorous and
> need to be replaced?
It depends on how much braking, the amount of riding in wet weather, and
how gritty the roads are.
Some rims have "wear markers" that indicate when the rim should be
replaced. The "rule of thumb" is to replace any rim with a wall less
than 0.5-mm thick.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
--
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Date: 21 Aug 2007 01:55:32
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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On Aug 20, 8:19 pm, Steve Sr. <Nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
> Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
> started cracking at the spoke holes. These were replaced under
> warranty and now the new set has about 4K miles on them. If these are
> like the first set I don't have too much time left on them. I would
> like to line up replacement rims now.
>
> The specs on the rims are as follows:
>
> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
> Manufacturer = Alex?
>
> I would like to reuse the spokes as they are straight pull and should
> be in good shape. This is why I need a replacement rim with the same
> or very close E.R.D. Can anyone give me some suggestions for good rims
> and/or places to look?
>
> Have any of you ever heard of Alex as a rim manufacturer? Obviously I
> would like to avoid these. At only 150 Lbs. I shouldn't be hard on a
> set of wheels.
Actually, I swear by Alex rims. Tough as nails. Problem is often that
they're used on lower end wheels and the wheel build is bad. Who knows
why yours cracked? I'd imagine because low spoke count wheels have
their issues. Don't fear normal spoke count Alex rims, that's for
sure.
Anyway, I believe Velocity Aeroheads will be a perfect ERD replacement
rim. make sure to get the OC Rear, as it really makes a sweet wheel.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 21:43:08
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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landotter wrote:
> On Aug 20, 8:19 pm, Steve Sr. <Nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am anticipating an eventual rebuild of a pair of Real-Design Super
>> Sphere road wheels. The originals only lasted 5-6K miles before they
>> started cracking at the spoke holes. These were replaced under
>> warranty and now the new set has about 4K miles on them. If these are
>> like the first set I don't have too much time left on them. I would
>> like to line up replacement rims now.
>>
>> The specs on the rims are as follows:
>>
>> E.R.D. = 598.6mm
>> Drilling = 24 rear; 20 front
>> Manufacturer = Alex?
>>
>> I would like to reuse the spokes as they are straight pull and should
>> be in good shape. This is why I need a replacement rim with the same
>> or very close E.R.D. Can anyone give me some suggestions for good rims
>> and/or places to look?
>>
>> Have any of you ever heard of Alex as a rim manufacturer? Obviously I
>> would like to avoid these. At only 150 Lbs. I shouldn't be hard on a
>> set of wheels.
>
> Actually, I swear by Alex rims. Tough as nails. Problem is often that
> they're used on lower end wheels and the wheel build is bad. Who knows
> why yours cracked? I'd imagine because low spoke count wheels have
> their issues. Don't fear normal spoke count Alex rims, that's for
> sure.
The 7-1/2 year old Alex rims on one of my bikes are fine, except for
some wear on the brake track (which happens to all rims when used with
rim brakes).
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
--
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 18:26:05
From:
Subject: Re: Looking for Good Replacement Road Rims
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i am on shimano r550's i had trouble with the bearings in the front at
2k, up to 4.5k now and no other issues, ok rim but not light or super
aero dynamic, good comuter rim, not good for speeds over 35ks/h as the
spoke cut too much wind, my next set will be more aero dynamic. so i
may need to look for cracks in a few 1000 k's.
I am of the half a mind that when that happens by another bike very
much the same, and wreck one for parts are needs, seems to be the
cheapest way (and saying that i am refering to the wheels).
eg. my bike $1.5k, the new wheels that i want cost $1.2k, better bike
WITH those rims only $1.8k best to get the bike for an extra $600 and
then i get a whole bike of spares as well.
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