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Date: 23 May 2007 08:51:37
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Loose cog vs. carriers
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So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
cogs of a cassette.
So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
D'ohBoy
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Date: 30 May 2007 06:51:14
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On May 30, 8:09 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On May 29, 6:27 pm, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
>
> <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So I rode it on a couple RAGBRAIs, BAK, CANDISC,
> > GRABAAWR, CNC, BRAT, TRIRI, all of the short brevets from 2000 until
> > 2005.
>
> Huh! We mighta ran into each other on either GRABAAWR or TRIRI -
> don't remember what years I did either of them (once each in 2000 -
> 2005). My TRIRI was the southern IN route. I was pleasantly
> surprised at the variation in terrain, having only been in northern IN
> before. And the pools in the state parks were a nice relief from the
> heat.
>
> Thanks for the response!
>
> D'ohBoy
My TRIRI was 2005 I think. We were in the SW corner of the state.
Went into French Lick and saw Larry Bird's house. Some of those days
were very hilly. Larry Bird can legitimately call himself a
hillbilly.
GRABAWAAR was 2003 I think.
I've had no problems with Veloce or Mirage loose cogs on my Campagnolo
Chorus or Record hub wheels. Or Vento wheels either. They are cheap,
compared to the carrier models. Heavier yes. But I only like light
if its cheap. If I found Chorus cassettes at the same price as Veloce
or Mirage, I'd buy them with the carrier.
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Date: 30 May 2007 06:09:50
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On May 29, 6:27 pm, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
<russellseat...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> So I rode it on a couple RAGBRAIs, BAK, CANDISC,
> GRABAAWR, CNC, BRAT, TRIRI, all of the short brevets from 2000 until
> 2005.
Huh! We mighta ran into each other on either GRABAAWR or TRIRI -
don't remember what years I did either of them (once each in 2000 -
2005). My TRIRI was the southern IN route. I was pleasantly
surprised at the variation in terrain, having only been in northern IN
before. And the pools in the state parks were a nice relief from the
heat.
Thanks for the response!
D'ohBoy
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Date: 30 May 2007 05:30:15
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On May 29, 12:19 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl > wrote:
> RonSonic wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:01:07 +0200, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>> Kenny wrote:
> >>>> On May 28, 9:39 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
> >>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
> >>>>>>> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
> >>>>>>> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
> >>>>>>> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
> >>>>>>> cogs of a cassette.
> >>>>>>> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
> >>>>>>> D'ohBoy
> >>>>>> For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
> >>>>>> compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
> >>>>>> performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
> >>>>>> Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
> >>>>>> the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
> >>>>>> is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
> >>>>>> The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
> >>>>>> buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
> >>>>>> ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
> >>>>>> typical rider.
> >>>>> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
> >>>>> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>
> >>>>> Lou
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
> >>>> Sorry but you're both wrong. It's 62 grams.
> >>>>http://www.campagnolo.com/compare.php?gid1=4&cid=5&pid=180&gid2=1
>
> >>> No I'm not. The figures on campa's website refer to the lightest
> >>> cassettes 11-21. I weighed both the 13-29 cassettes. It's 328 gr for the
> >>> Veloce versus 251 gr for the Record.
>
> >>> Lou
>
> >> ehhh, Veloce is 368 gr. Pfewww.....
>
> >> Lou
>
> > I'm thinking that if you're riding a 13 - 29 an extra three ounces is not a big
> > deal.
>
> > Ron
>
> Watch the gears of the Pro riders in tomorrows stage in the Giro. This
> is the last climb:
>
> http://ciclismo.sitiasp.it/altimetria.aspx?sid=3f792bf39cc34742b1ab90...
>
> cheers,
>
> Lou
> --
> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
Well, the 'pros, have huge cog boards with tons of loose cogs so each
rider can have a custom cogset whenever he wants it. No concern for
weight here, since most of these bikes are 15-16 pounds anyway, with 6
ft riders in the buck 140 range...I think they probably request the
range they want rather than trying to save a few grams on their
cogsets.
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Date: 29 May 2007 16:27:00
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On May 28, 7:06 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> russellseat...@yahoo.com wrote, in part:
>
> > I've used only loose cogs on my 1998 Chorus hub since 1998 and the
> > aluminum freehub body is not chewed up. A few minor nicks and dents
> > in tha aluminum, but nothing to prevent the cogs from sliding on and
> > off perfectly well. I use a torque wrench to apply 50 Newton Meters
> > to the cassette lockring.
>
> Just a couple more questions for you Russell: how many miles on that
> hub,
Hard to say. It was really my only/main clincher wheelset until
spring 2006. So I rode it on a couple RAGBRAIs, BAK, CANDISC,
GRABAAWR, CNC, BRAT, TRIRI, all of the short brevets from 2000 until
2005. In 2006 the internals of the hub died after a rain ride. So I
replaced everything with the hub parts from a Shamal wheel. The
aluminum hub body was OK, just the bearings and such were ruined.
Figure 20-30,000 miles. Give or take.
> how much do you weigh,
Me and the bike and saddlebags and bottles have ranged from 225 to 195
pounds over the past few years.
and what kind of riding do you do (hilly,
> sprinting, JRA, etc...).
I just ride. Sometimes fast, sometimes slow. Sometimes short,
sometimes extremely long. No racing. Mainly flat where I live, no
mountains or San Francisco street climbs.
>
> Thanks!
>
> D'ohBoy
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Date: 29 May 2007 11:35:10
From: amakyonin
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On May 23, 12:29 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On 23 May 2007 08:51:37 -0700, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>
> If you have a soft freehub body then a carrier is better.
The problem with using carriers on an aluminum freehub is that they
can be a pain to get off. The wide carrier body leaves much less
freedom to wiggle them off over the burrs raised by the smaller loose
cogs on the outboard end of the freehub. I have had to resort to
filing the worst burrs down to get one off.
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Date: 29 May 2007 05:03:05
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On May 28, 7:39 am, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
> >> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
> >> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
> >> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
> >> cogs of a cassette.
>
> >> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>
> >> D'ohBoy
>
> > For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
> > compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
> > performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
> > Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
> > the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
> > is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
> > The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
> > buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
> > ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
> > typical rider.
>
> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>
> Lou
> --
> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
Lets say it's 150 grams...still 5 ounces, nothing to recommend
spending the extra $100+ for, c'mon people reality check!!
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Date: 29 May 2007 17:19:36
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On May 28, 7:39 am, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
>>>> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
>>>> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
>>>> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
>>>> cogs of a cassette.
>>>> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>>>> D'ohBoy
>>> For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
>>> compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
>>> performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
>>> Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
>>> the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
>>> is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
>>> The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
>>> buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
>>> ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
>>> typical rider.
>> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
>> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>>
>> Lou
>> --
>> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
>
> Lets say it's 150 grams...still 5 ounces, nothing to recommend
> spending the extra $100+ for, c'mon people reality check!!
>
Lets provide the correct numbers and let people decide for themselves.
There are people who spend much more money on a 150 grams lighter frame
or wheelset and for some people that's part of the fun. I have no
problem with that as long as the bike is used a lot.
Lou
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Date: 28 May 2007 08:01:08
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On May 28, 9:39 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
> >> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
> >> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
> >> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
> >> cogs of a cassette.
>
> >> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>
> >> D'ohBoy
>
> > For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
> > compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
> > performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
> > Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
> > the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
> > is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
> > The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
> > buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
> > ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
> > typical rider.
>
> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>
> Lou
> --
> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
Sorry but you're both wrong. It's 62 grams.
http://www.campagnolo.com/compare.php?gid1=4&cid=5&pid=180&gid2=1
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Date: 28 May 2007 18:58:15
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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Kenny wrote:
> On May 28, 9:39 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
>>>> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
>>>> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
>>>> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
>>>> cogs of a cassette.
>>>> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>>>> D'ohBoy
>>> For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
>>> compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
>>> performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
>>> Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
>>> the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
>>> is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
>>> The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
>>> buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
>>> ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
>>> typical rider.
>> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
>> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>>
>> Lou
>> --
>> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
>
> Sorry but you're both wrong. It's 62 grams.
> http://www.campagnolo.com/compare.php?gid1=4&cid=5&pid=180&gid2=1
>
No I'm not. The figures on campa's website refer to the lightest
cassettes 11-21. I weighed both the 13-29 cassettes. It's 328 gr for the
Veloce versus 251 gr for the Record.
Lou
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Date: 28 May 2007 19:01:07
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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Lou Holtman wrote:
> Kenny wrote:
>> On May 28, 9:39 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
>>>>> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
>>>>> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
>>>>> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
>>>>> cogs of a cassette.
>>>>> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>>>>> D'ohBoy
>>>> For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
>>>> compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
>>>> performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
>>>> Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
>>>> the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
>>>> is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
>>>> The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
>>>> buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
>>>> ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
>>>> typical rider.
>>> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
>>> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>> --
>>> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
>>
>> Sorry but you're both wrong. It's 62 grams.
>> http://www.campagnolo.com/compare.php?gid1=4&cid=5&pid=180&gid2=1
>>
>
>
> No I'm not. The figures on campa's website refer to the lightest
> cassettes 11-21. I weighed both the 13-29 cassettes. It's 328 gr for the
> Veloce versus 251 gr for the Record.
>
> Lou
ehhh, Veloce is 368 gr. Pfewww.....
Lou
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Date: 29 May 2007 10:59:26
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:01:07 +0200, Lou Holtman <lholremovethis@planet.nl >
wrote:
>Lou Holtman wrote:
>> Kenny wrote:
>>> On May 28, 9:39 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
>>>>>> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
>>>>>> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
>>>>>> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
>>>>>> cogs of a cassette.
>>>>>> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>>>>>> D'ohBoy
>>>>> For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
>>>>> compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
>>>>> performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
>>>>> Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
>>>>> the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
>>>>> is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
>>>>> The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
>>>>> buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
>>>>> ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
>>>>> typical rider.
>>>> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
>>>> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>> --
>>>> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
>>>
>>> Sorry but you're both wrong. It's 62 grams.
>>> http://www.campagnolo.com/compare.php?gid1=4&cid=5&pid=180&gid2=1
>>>
>>
>>
>> No I'm not. The figures on campa's website refer to the lightest
>> cassettes 11-21. I weighed both the 13-29 cassettes. It's 328 gr for the
>> Veloce versus 251 gr for the Record.
>>
>> Lou
>
>
>ehhh, Veloce is 368 gr. Pfewww.....
>
>Lou
I'm thinking that if you're riding a 13 - 29 an extra three ounces is not a big
deal.
Ron
Ron
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Date: 29 May 2007 20:19:56
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:01:07 +0200, Lou Holtman <lholremovethis@planet.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>> On May 28, 9:39 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
>>>>>>> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
>>>>>>> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
>>>>>>> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
>>>>>>> cogs of a cassette.
>>>>>>> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>>>>>>> D'ohBoy
>>>>>> For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
>>>>>> compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
>>>>>> performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
>>>>>> Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
>>>>>> the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
>>>>>> is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
>>>>>> The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
>>>>>> buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
>>>>>> ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
>>>>>> typical rider.
>>>>> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
>>>>> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>> --
>>>>> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
>>>> Sorry but you're both wrong. It's 62 grams.
>>>> http://www.campagnolo.com/compare.php?gid1=4&cid=5&pid=180&gid2=1
>>>>
>>>
>>> No I'm not. The figures on campa's website refer to the lightest
>>> cassettes 11-21. I weighed both the 13-29 cassettes. It's 328 gr for the
>>> Veloce versus 251 gr for the Record.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> ehhh, Veloce is 368 gr. Pfewww.....
>>
>> Lou
>
> I'm thinking that if you're riding a 13 - 29 an extra three ounces is not a big
> deal.
>
> Ron
Watch the gears of the Pro riders in tomorrows stage in the Giro. This
is the last climb:
http://ciclismo.sitiasp.it/altimetria.aspx?sid=3f792bf39cc34742b1ab909c9daf6813&id=994
cheers,
Lou
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Date: 29 May 2007 18:04:01
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 20:19:56 +0200, Lou Holtman
<lholremovethis@planet.nl > wrote:
>Watch the gears of the Pro riders in tomorrows stage in the Giro. This
>is the last climb:
>
>http://ciclismo.sitiasp.it/altimetria.aspx?sid=3f792bf39cc34742b1ab909c9daf6813&id=994
I can't wait. And the big question is, will people in RBT say those
guys are dopes for using wheels with very few spokes, or picked the
wrong gears and set their bars too low?
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Date: 30 May 2007 16:18:52
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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In article
<bp8p53t0jg3ldgg4lpvf4p3ccnpma4sf24@4ax.com >,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2007 20:19:56 +0200, Lou Holtman
> <lholremovethis@planet.nl> wrote:
>
> >Watch the gears of the Pro riders in tomorrows stage in the Giro. This
> >is the last climb:
> >
> >http://ciclismo.sitiasp.it/altimetria.aspx?sid=3f792bf39cc34742b1ab909c9daf6813&id=994
>
> I can't wait. And the big question is, will people in RBT say those
> guys are dopes for using wheels with very few spokes, or picked the
> wrong gears and set their bars too low?
Straw man argument. Race wheels are for racing. Most
race wheels will break down for urban or touring or
recreational, or club type everyday riding most, not
just 51%, but almost all, folks here do. And when they
break down, you can hear the cash register from here to
eternity. ka-ching!
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Date: 29 May 2007 17:21:11
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:01:07 +0200, Lou Holtman <lholremovethis@planet.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> Kenny wrote:
>>>> On May 28, 9:39 pm, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl> wrote:
>>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
>>>>>>> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
>>>>>>> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
>>>>>>> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
>>>>>>> cogs of a cassette.
>>>>>>> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>>>>>>> D'ohBoy
>>>>>> For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
>>>>>> compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
>>>>>> performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
>>>>>> Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
>>>>>> the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
>>>>>> is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
>>>>>> The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
>>>>>> buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
>>>>>> ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
>>>>>> typical rider.
>>>>> Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
>>>>> Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
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>>>> Sorry but you're both wrong. It's 62 grams.
>>>> http://www.campagnolo.com/compare.php?gid1=4&cid=5&pid=180&gid2=1
>>>>
>>>
>>> No I'm not. The figures on campa's website refer to the lightest
>>> cassettes 11-21. I weighed both the 13-29 cassettes. It's 328 gr for the
>>> Veloce versus 251 gr for the Record.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> ehhh, Veloce is 368 gr. Pfewww.....
>>
>> Lou
>
> I'm thinking that if you're riding a 13 - 29 an extra three ounces is not a big
> deal.
>
> Ron
>
>
> Ron
>
> Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry
>
Stop thinking for other people then...
Lou
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Date: 28 May 2007 05:31:52
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
> cogs of a cassette.
>
> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>
> D'ohBoy
For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
typical rider.
Using ones with a carrier for speed of installation? YGBSM..we don't
see riders cruising into Indy or Nascar style pits to get cogs
changed. You would pay more $ so the cogset can be changed more
quickly by what, 15 seconds? yikes. If lower end cogs didn't work as
well, I could see it but a 105 or Veloce chain works as well as Record/
DA, lasts as long. A Veloce cogset works as well as Record and lasts
longer(ti is soft). The freehub bodies of all Campag plus the DA
aluminum are hard enough that they don't get chewed up.
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Date: 28 May 2007 15:39:44
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On May 23, 9:51 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
>> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
>> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
>> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
>> cogs of a cassette.
>>
>> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
>>
>> D'ohBoy
>
> For Campagnolo and shimano..I always recommend least expensive
> compatible cogset and chain. These are consumables, provide equal
> performance and cost less money. NO reason to put on a Record/Chorus/
> Centaur cogset unless these feature a ratio that ya gotta have, and
> the others don't. Same for shimano...105 level 10s stuff..a DA cogset
> is pushing $150-$190, Record is far more, Chorus/Centaur a bunch also.
> The more expensive ones are lighter but...if ya want to save 32 grams
> buy Record, 13 grams, buy Chorus, 17 grams buy Centaur otherwise add 2
> ounces and get Veloce...on a 3000 ounce plus 'package' bike and
> typical rider.
Difference of a 13-29 cassette between Record (steel-titanium) and
Veloce is 117 gr, not 32 grams.
Lou
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Date: 28 May 2007 05:06:14
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote, in part:
> I've used only loose cogs on my 1998 Chorus hub since 1998 and the
> aluminum freehub body is not chewed up. A few minor nicks and dents
> in tha aluminum, but nothing to prevent the cogs from sliding on and
> off perfectly well. I use a torque wrench to apply 50 Newton Meters
> to the cassette lockring.
Just a couple more questions for you Russell: how many miles on that
hub, how much do you weigh, and what kind of riding do you do (hilly,
sprinting, JRA, etc...).
Thanks!
D'ohBoy
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Date: 23 May 2007 12:29:09
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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On 23 May 2007 08:51:37 -0700, D'ohBoy <petengail@yahoo.com > wrote:
>So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
>question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
>more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
>pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
>cogs of a cassette.
>
>So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
If you have a soft freehub body then a carrier is better.
If you change whole sets of cogs often, esp. in a hurry, a carrier is
better.
If you customize gears in ways that are atypical, then loose is
probably better.
For the rest of us it doesn't matter.
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Date: 23 May 2007 17:06:17
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: Loose cog vs. carriers
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"D'ohBoy" <petengail@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1179935497.400590.221350@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> So, without going into my latest OCD-related crisis, I have a
> question. I have seen others comment elsewhere that cog carriers are
> more marketing than anything else (Peter Chisholm) and others post
> pictures of destroyed freehub bodies due to lack of carriers on larger
> cogs of a cassette.
>
> So which is it? Loose cogs good as those with carriers or?
Well, the loose-ish cogs (ie screwed/riveted) on shimano LX-level 9sp
cassettes are stronger than those on the XT and above cassettes. Useful to
know if you're on an MTB tandem. Which may well imply the answer to your
main question - the torque applied to the cassette on one of those can be
really quite high, and the freehubs don't die due to the lack of carrier.
But then they typically won't be using a weak Al freehub body.
cheers,
clive
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