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Date: 08 Nov 2007 13:55:53
From: Paul S
Subject: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
pick up this gearing.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 18:17:23
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 11, 5:37 pm, Jasper Janssen <jas...@jjanssen.org > wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:44:07 -0600, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
> >popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100.
>
> Cheerist. And I thought 50 for one step below Dura Ace was expensive.
>
> >Veloce cassettes allow cog swapping
>
> That's not a feature, it's a bug. So do my Deore cheapo cassettes.
>
> >The 11t-start models are
> >a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
> >special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
>
> And is that lockring, besides 'special', also more expensive to fabricate?
> Or are they just gouging their customers because they can?
>
> Jasper
Not more expensive to fabricate. But the 12/13 lockring is included
with Campy hubs, therefore not with the cassettes. The 11t Lockring is
included with 11t cassettes, hence the higher price.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 10:12:22
From: bfd
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 11, 8:54 am, bfd <bfd...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > A Muzi wrote:
> > > Tim McNamara wrote:
> > >> Criminy on toast! WTF is up with these prices? Are people really
> > >> dumb enough to spend that kind of money on stuff that has to be
> > >> replaced every year or two? Good grief!
>
> > > You don't get out much.
>
> > To the extent that- all of my bikes have steel frames, none currently
> > have brifters, the only one with indexed shifting has a 3 speed hub, all
> > my wheels have at least 32 spokes, I use tan wall carbon rubber tires,
> > and the only bike I own that was built in the past decade was the frame
> > I built myself- you're very much correct. I don't get out much in terms
> > of current bike gear. The old stuff hasn't worn out yet! The one
> > cassette hub I have uses a Shimano 8 speed cassette, the current and
> > spare of which cost me $30 each.
>
> The price of 10 speed consumables is what keeps me from "upgrading."
> Although I ride a carbon frame (Calfee tetra with Kestrel carbon
> fork), have Campy ergo levers and a variety of cassette hubs (both
> Shimano and Campy), I too use tan wall carbon rubber tires (have a
> very small stash of Avocet Fasgrip 700x28 tires and 32h wheels. I am
> still using 9 speed cassettes as I can still find them in the $40-50
> range. I use Shimano Ultegra 9 12-27 cassettes on my Shimano 9 hubs
> and have both Campy 13-28 and Miche 12-27 9 speed cassettes for my
> Campy rear hub. All seem to work fine.
Oh yeah, and don't forget about the chain. 10 speed chains are
narrower and supposedly last as little as 1000 miles. When you look at
the costs of 10 speed chains, KMC or equivalent start at about $25 or
so and other brands can climb up to $70, and that's for steel!
I usually get at least 3000 miles on a 9 speed chain, while 8 speed
and lower can last even longer. And yes, I ride alot of hills in the
SF Bay Area.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 08:54:45
From: bfd
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 10, 2:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net > wrote:
> A Muzi wrote:
> > Tim McNamara wrote:
> >> Criminy on toast! WTF is up with these prices? Are people really
> >> dumb enough to spend that kind of money on stuff that has to be
> >> replaced every year or two? Good grief!
>
> > You don't get out much.
>
> To the extent that- all of my bikes have steel frames, none currently
> have brifters, the only one with indexed shifting has a 3 speed hub, all
> my wheels have at least 32 spokes, I use tan wall carbon rubber tires,
> and the only bike I own that was built in the past decade was the frame
> I built myself- you're very much correct. I don't get out much in terms
> of current bike gear. The old stuff hasn't worn out yet! The one
> cassette hub I have uses a Shimano 8 speed cassette, the current and
> spare of which cost me $30 each.
>
The price of 10 speed consumables is what keeps me from "upgrading."
Although I ride a carbon frame (Calfee tetra with Kestrel carbon
fork), have Campy ergo levers and a variety of cassette hubs (both
Shimano and Campy), I too use tan wall carbon rubber tires (have a
very small stash of Avocet Fasgrip 700x28 tires and 32h wheels. I am
still using 9 speed cassettes as I can still find them in the $40-50
range. I use Shimano Ultegra 9 12-27 cassettes on my Shimano 9 hubs
and have both Campy 13-28 and Miche 12-27 9 speed cassettes for my
Campy rear hub. All seem to work fine.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 14:17:12
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 10, 1:14 pm, cyclingthi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 8, 4:55 pm, Paul S <pwso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
> > It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
> > with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
> > they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
> > many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
> > or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
> > cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
> > pick up this gearing.
>
> you can also get the replacement parts on ebay. i got my dura ace
> cassettes for under $100. there are people or racers who use the
> cassettes for less than 500 miles and get rid of them
A *used* cassette for "under $100" - such a deal!!!!
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 11:14:47
From:
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 8, 4:55 pm, Paul S <pwso...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
> It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
> with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
> they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
> many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
> or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
> cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
> pick up this gearing.
you can also get the replacement parts on ebay. i got my dura ace
cassettes for under $100. there are people or racers who use the
cassettes for less than 500 miles and get rid of them
regards,
carlos
www.bikingthings.com
Get Faster, Enjoy Cycling, Get Fit, Live Better.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 08:51:15
From: Paul S
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 8, 3:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> > Jim Higson wrote:
> >> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
> Chalo wrote:
> > $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
> > to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
> > just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
> > 10-speed parts, though.
>
> > I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
> > There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
> > difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
> > drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
>
> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
> allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
> carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs.
That's what I need, I missed them earlier, must have been shopping in
the wrong places. I'm glad to hear I am not the only one wearing out
the Miche cogs, they are apparently slag in the shape of a cassette,
at a bargain price.
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 21:31:06
From: bfd
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 8, 3:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> > Jim Higson wrote:
> >> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
> Chalo wrote:
> > $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
> > to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
> > just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
> > 10-speed parts, though.
>
> > I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
> > There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
> > difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
> > drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
>
> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
> allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
> carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
> a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
> special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
> --
Agree, for the money, Veloce cassettes are excellent. Another
alternative not mentioned is IRD cassettes. For Campy, they offer 10
speed cassettes in steel, ranging from 11-23 to 12-28:
http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes_steel.html
IRD also offers an "alloy" (read - soft) cassette, but it is only for
Shimano-splined hubs:
http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes_alloy.html
The list price for the IRD "Elite" Campy splined cassette is about
$140:
http://store.interlocracing.com/10elcac.html
It also offers a "wide-range" Campy splined cassette in 12-32 for
$170:
http://store.interlocracing.com/10elcacra.html
Of course, if you want the standard steel cassettes, IRD Campy splined
retail for $80:
http://store.interlocracing.com/10coca.html
A definite alternative to the Campy Veloce and Miche cassettes!
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 12:10:35
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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Criminy on toast! WTF is up with these prices? Are people really dumb
enough to spend that kind of money on stuff that has to be replaced
every year or two? Good grief!
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 12:26:41
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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Tim McNamara wrote:
> Criminy on toast! WTF is up with these prices? Are people really dumb
> enough to spend that kind of money on stuff that has to be replaced
> every year or two? Good grief!
You don't get out much. We remove hundreds of dollars worth of broken
gadgets in our service department weekly. O tempora O mores!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 16:10:14
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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A Muzi wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>> Criminy on toast! WTF is up with these prices? Are people really
>> dumb enough to spend that kind of money on stuff that has to be
>> replaced every year or two? Good grief!
>
> You don't get out much.
To the extent that- all of my bikes have steel frames, none currently
have brifters, the only one with indexed shifting has a 3 speed hub, all
my wheels have at least 32 spokes, I use tan wall carbon rubber tires,
and the only bike I own that was built in the past decade was the frame
I built myself- you're very much correct. I don't get out much in terms
of current bike gear. The old stuff hasn't worn out yet! The one
cassette hub I have uses a Shimano 8 speed cassette, the current and
spare of which cost me $30 each.
> We remove hundreds of dollars worth of broken gadgets in our service
> department weekly. O tempora O mores!
Even the chickpea complained that the world was falling apart 2100 years
ago. In politics plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. If the
politicians were right, humans would have vanished off the face of the
Earth long ago.
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 18:14:59
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 9, 1:21 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> >>>>> Jim Higson wrote:
> >>>>>> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
> >>>> Chalo wrote:
> >>>>> $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
> >>>>> to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
> >>>>> just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
> >>>>> 10-speed parts, though.
> >>>>> I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
> >>>>> There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
> >>>>> difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
> >>>>> drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
> >>> A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
> >>>> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
> >>>> allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
> >>>> carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
> >>>> a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
> >>>> special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
> >> Ben C wrote:
> >>> So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
> >>> I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?
> > A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> that tool being also known as "Shimano UG freewheel tool"
> Ben C wrote:
> > Thanks for the info. I actually have a sort of two-headed tool (I think
> > it's Park). One side is Shimano, the other Campag. The splines on each
> > side are slightly different.
> > But I think that's not Shimano UG freewheel, but Shimano HG freehub. Are
> > you saying UG freewheel is actually the same as Campag freehub?
>
> Yes, Campagnolo cassette/ BB spline is Shimano UG Freewheel spline.
Truly a cosmic coincidence, that.
> Shimano HG cassette is different
Shimano wouldn't want to miss the chance to sell a new tool, every
little bit helps.
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 09:59:22
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 9, 12:40 am, Ben C <spams...@spam.eggs > wrote:
> So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
> I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?
>
Same tool.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 23:20:06
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 8, 4:49 pm, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk > wrote:
> "Chalo" <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1194564591.006306.250220@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Jim Higson wrote:
>
> >> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
>
> > $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
> > to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
> > just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
> > 10-speed parts, though.
>
> 35 quid, ie 70 USD for 11-25 campag here (mirage). Looks like there's a
> significant price premium for 11-25 cf the one's starting at 12 or 13.
That's 'cause the 11t ones include a lockring.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 23:29:51
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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Jim Higson wrote:
>
> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
$300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
10-speed parts, though.
I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
Chalo
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 00:49:24
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1194564591.006306.250220@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Jim Higson wrote:
>>
>> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
>
> $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
> to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
> just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
> 10-speed parts, though.
35 quid, ie 70 USD for 11-25 campag here (mirage). Looks like there's a
significant price premium for 11-25 cf the one's starting at 12 or 13.
cheers,
clive
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 17:44:07
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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> Jim Higson wrote:
>> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
Chalo wrote:
> $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
> to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
> just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
> 10-speed parts, though.
>
> I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
> There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
> difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
> drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 01:37:04
From: Jasper Janssen
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:44:07 -0600, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
>Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
>popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100.
Cheerist. And I thought 50 for one step below Dura Ace was expensive.
>Veloce cassettes allow cog swapping
That's not a feature, it's a bug. So do my Deore cheapo cassettes.
>The 11t-start models are
>a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
>special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
And is that lockring, besides 'special', also more expensive to fabricate?
Or are they just gouging their customers because they can?
Jasper
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 20:59:23
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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Jasper Janssen wrote:
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
>> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100.
> Cheerist. And I thought 50 for one step below Dura Ace was expensive.
>> Veloce cassettes allow cog swapping
> That's not a feature, it's a bug. So do my Deore cheapo cassettes.
>> The 11t-start models are
>> a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
>> special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
> And is that lockring, besides 'special', also more expensive to fabricate?
> Or are they just gouging their customers because they can?
I cannot speak to their motivation but a standard size lockring is
included with the hub. Changing to 11t start in most systems, including
Campagnolo, requires a bit of kludge, in this case, a different lockring
which ships with cassette. One might argue that the 2d cassette with
11-start includes a forced spare lockring.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 02:40:30
From: Ben C
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On 2007-11-08, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
>> Jim Higson wrote:
>>> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
>
> Chalo wrote:
>> $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
>> to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
>> just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
>> 10-speed parts, though.
>>
>> I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
>> There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
>> difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
>> drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
>
> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
> allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
> carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
> a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
> special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 12:03:12
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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>>> Jim Higson wrote:
>>>> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
>>> to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
>>> just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
>>> 10-speed parts, though.
>>> I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
>>> There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
>>> difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
>>> drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
>> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
>> allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
>> carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
>> a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
>> special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
Ben C wrote:
> So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
> I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?
that tool being also known as "Shimano UG freewheel tool"
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 13:15:54
From: Ben C
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On 2007-11-09, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
>>>> Jim Higson wrote:
>>>>> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
>
>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>> $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
>>>> to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
>>>> just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
>>>> 10-speed parts, though.
>>>> I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
>>>> There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
>>>> difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
>>>> drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
>
>> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
>>> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
>>> allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
>>> carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
>>> a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
>>> special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
>
> Ben C wrote:
>> So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
>> I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?
>
> that tool being also known as "Shimano UG freewheel tool"
Thanks for the info. I actually have a sort of two-headed tool (I think
it's Park). One side is Shimano, the other Campag. The splines on each
side are slightly different.
But I think that's not Shimano UG freewheel, but Shimano HG freehub. Are
you saying UG freewheel is actually the same as Campag freehub?
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 13:21:17
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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>>>>> Jim Higson wrote:
>>>>>> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
>>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>>> $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
>>>>> to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
>>>>> just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
>>>>> 10-speed parts, though.
>>>>> I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
>>>>> There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
>>>>> difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
>>>>> drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
>>> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
>>>> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
>>>> allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
>>>> carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
>>>> a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
>>>> special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
>> Ben C wrote:
>>> So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
>>> I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> that tool being also known as "Shimano UG freewheel tool"
Ben C wrote:
> Thanks for the info. I actually have a sort of two-headed tool (I think
> it's Park). One side is Shimano, the other Campag. The splines on each
> side are slightly different.
> But I think that's not Shimano UG freewheel, but Shimano HG freehub. Are
> you saying UG freewheel is actually the same as Campag freehub?
Yes, Campagnolo cassette/ BB spline is Shimano UG Freewheel spline.
Shimano HG cassette is different
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 12:02:05
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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>>> Jim Higson wrote:
>>>> Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> $300 to $450 retail for Record, $210 to $220 for Chorus. You'd have
>>> to be a stupendous chump to pay that for consumable bike parts. It's
>>> just an exaggerated version of the basic problem with all 9-speed and
>>> 10-speed parts, though.
>>> I'll continue to pay about $20 for my favorite 7-speed freewheels.
>>> There is no adequate virtue in 9- and 10-speed stuff to warrant the
>>> difference in cost-- and I do own a bike with 9-speed SRAM X-7
>>> drivetrain as a basis of comparison.
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Although the general run of your argument is good, Campagnolo's most
>> popular format CrMo cassette, Veloce, is under $100. Veloce cassettes
>> allow cog swapping and don't have the 'features' of loud loosening
>> carriers/rivets nor fast-wearing titanium cogs. The 11t-start models are
>> a bit past $100 as they include a special smaller lockring for the
>> special 11t end cog and the special riders who prefer 11t.
Ben C wrote:
> So do I need Yet Another Special Tool to get an 11t lockring off, or can
> I use the same one I use for my existing 13t minimum Campag stuff?
same tool for all
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 15:11:56
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On Nov 8, 1:55 pm, Paul S <pwso...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
> It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
> with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
> they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
> many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
> or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
> cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
> pick up this gearing.
I tried a Miche once, it worked fine at first, but I started having
chain skipping in my 16 & 17 tooth cogs after about 600 miles. Then I
discovered you could get Campy cassettes at about 60% of US retail
with free shipping from probikekit.com, and I've only used Campy
since.
$49.04 for the 11-25 Mirage at the moment.
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=L1044
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 17:01:37
From: Ben C
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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On 2007-11-08, Paul S <pwsouth@gmail.com > wrote:
> I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
> It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
> with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
> they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
> many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
> or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
> cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
> pick up this gearing.
Miche do seem to be a bit shoddy. A few teeth went missing from one of
the sprockets on mine and I know two other people in RL who've had the
same problem.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 22:34:14
From: Jim Higson
Subject: Re: Miche cassettes teeth chipped and broken
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Paul S wrote:
> I have two of the Miche Campagnolo-compatible 10s cassettes in 11-25.
> It's a delightful gearing for riding hills with a 50/34 compact. Now
> with about 1500 miles on one cassette and perhaps 1000 on the other,
> they are starting to get shredded, one has lost two whole teeth and
> many are chipped or gouged. I have never seen this on the many Campy
> or Shimano cassettes I used on the same bikes, even on a stamped steel
> cassette like Veloce. I wish some higher quality manufacturers would
> pick up this gearing.
Why not use the Campagnolo 11-25 10 speed cassettes?
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