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Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:11:59
From: richard
Subject: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook - http://www.vannicholas.com)
appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
this frame?
Am I missing something (physically or mentally :(
R.
richard at lbrc dot org
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 13:51:38
From: richard
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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Thanks everyone, sounds like everything will work out OK.
BTW: picks of new build can be found here http://www.lbrc.org
R.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 05:34:33
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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On Jun 5, 2:58 pm, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net > wrote:
> On Jun 5, 4:45 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
>
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> > On Jun 5, 1:11 pm, richard <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook -http://www.vannicholas.com)
> > > appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
> > > instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
>
> > > Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
> > > this frame?
>
> > > Am I missing something (physically or mentally :(
>
> > > R.
> > > richard at lbrc dot org
>
> > If you're running Chorus, you don't need them. The RD has an adjuster
> > to dial in the rear indexing, and the front isn't indexed. Just set
> > your limit screws, pull the cable taut with a pair of pliers, bolt it
> > down, and you're good to go.
>
> > If you really need an adjuster, Jagwire (among others) make inline
> > ones you can put anywhere along the housing. But with Chorus, you
> > really don't need one. Having them on the downtube just encourages you
> > to fiddle with them while riding, which rarely helps.
>
> OK - What about the same question when you do have an indexed front
> brifter like an Ultegra triple?
Not needed. Set the start position of the FD along with alignment,
check same with chain on middle ring, big cog, small cog. If the chain
to cage clearances are not the same with these combos, change the
limit screw when in small ring...when you start screwing adjsters in
and out, you change the start position of the FD which changes the FD
positions in middle and big ring...not needed.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 05:32:11
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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On Jun 5, 2:11 pm, richard <richard...@gmail.com > wrote:
> My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook -http://www.vannicholas.com)
> appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
> instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
>
> Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
> this frame?
>
> Am I missing something (physically or mentally :(
>
> R.
> richard at lbrc dot org
Ferrule onto end of cable housing, this into the cable stop...adjuster
on the RD, FD adjusters for any system are not needed.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:07:45
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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On Jun 5, 2:03 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On Jun 5, 1:58 pm, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 4:45 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 5, 1:11 pm, richard <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook -http://www.vannicholas.com)
> > > > appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
> > > > instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
>
> > > > Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
> > > > this frame?
>
> > > > Am I missing something (physically or mentally :(
>
> > > > R.
> > > > richard at lbrc dot org
>
> > > If you're running Chorus, you don't need them. The RD has an adjuster
> > > to dial in the rear indexing, and the front isn't indexed. Just set
> > > your limit screws, pull the cable taut with a pair of pliers, bolt it
> > > down, and you're good to go.
>
> > > If you really need an adjuster, Jagwire (among others) make inline
> > > ones you can put anywhere along the housing. But with Chorus, you
> > > really don't need one. Having them on the downtube just encourages you
> > > to fiddle with them while riding, which rarely helps.
>
> > OK - What about the same question when you do have an indexed front
> > brifter like an Ultegra triple?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Like I said - inline adjusters, like Jagwire makes. Some of them fit
> into the brifter-side housing stop for a more built-in look. Stop by
> most LBSes, and you'll see bikes with these installed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Example:
http://stores.channeladvisor.com/ebikestop/items/004-BR4048
Or
http://stores.channeladvisor.com/ebikestop/items/004-BR4041
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:03:34
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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On Jun 5, 1:58 pm, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net > wrote:
> On Jun 5, 4:45 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 1:11 pm, richard <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook -http://www.vannicholas.com)
> > > appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
> > > instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
>
> > > Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
> > > this frame?
>
> > > Am I missing something (physically or mentally :(
>
> > > R.
> > > richard at lbrc dot org
>
> > If you're running Chorus, you don't need them. The RD has an adjuster
> > to dial in the rear indexing, and the front isn't indexed. Just set
> > your limit screws, pull the cable taut with a pair of pliers, bolt it
> > down, and you're good to go.
>
> > If you really need an adjuster, Jagwire (among others) make inline
> > ones you can put anywhere along the housing. But with Chorus, you
> > really don't need one. Having them on the downtube just encourages you
> > to fiddle with them while riding, which rarely helps.
>
> OK - What about the same question when you do have an indexed front
> brifter like an Ultegra triple?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Like I said - inline adjusters, like Jagwire makes. Some of them fit
into the brifter-side housing stop for a more built-in look. Stop by
most LBSes, and you'll see bikes with these installed.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:58:50
From: VeloJon
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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On Jun 5, 4:45 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On Jun 5, 1:11 pm, richard <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook -http://www.vannicholas.com)
> > appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
> > instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
>
> > Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
> > this frame?
>
> > Am I missing something (physically or mentally :(
>
> > R.
> > richard at lbrc dot org
>
> If you're running Chorus, you don't need them. The RD has an adjuster
> to dial in the rear indexing, and the front isn't indexed. Just set
> your limit screws, pull the cable taut with a pair of pliers, bolt it
> down, and you're good to go.
>
> If you really need an adjuster, Jagwire (among others) make inline
> ones you can put anywhere along the housing. But with Chorus, you
> really don't need one. Having them on the downtube just encourages you
> to fiddle with them while riding, which rarely helps.
OK - What about the same question when you do have an indexed front
brifter like an Ultegra triple?
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 21:16:33
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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>> richard <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook -http://www.vannicholas.com)
>>> appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
>>> instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
>>> Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
>>> this frame?
> Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>> If you're running Chorus, you don't need them. The RD has an adjuster
>> to dial in the rear indexing, and the front isn't indexed. Just set
>> your limit screws, pull the cable taut with a pair of pliers, bolt it
>> down, and you're good to go.
>> If you really need an adjuster, Jagwire (among others) make inline
>> ones you can put anywhere along the housing. But with Chorus, you
>> really don't need one. Having them on the downtube just encourages you
>> to fiddle with them while riding, which rarely helps.
VeloJon wrote:
> OK - What about the same question when you do have an indexed front
> brifter like an Ultegra triple?
As Mr Wirtz' paragraph (just above yours) notes, the Jaguar inline
adjuster is perfect for that application, $10/pair.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/hanger.html
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 09:08:12
From: Helmut Springer
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
>> OK - What about the same question when you do have an indexed
>> front brifter like an Ultegra triple?
>
> As Mr Wirtz' paragraph (just above yours) notes, the Jaguar inline
> adjuster is perfect for that application, $10/pair.
...but to come back to the actual frame in question: the website
states
"CNC machined & slotted integrated shifter cable guides with
8-point detent"
and the pictures show what looks like a standard Shimano adjustment
screw in there. Which needs an M5 threading to work. Would the
"8-point detent" be suitable to hold an M5 nut?
--
MfG/Best regards
helmut springer
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:38:56
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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>>> OK - What about the same question when you do have an indexed
>>> front brifter like an Ultegra triple?
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> As Mr Wirtz' paragraph (just above yours) notes, the Jaguar inline
>> adjuster is perfect for that application, $10/pair.
Helmut Springer wrote:
> ...but to come back to the actual frame in question: the website
> states
> "CNC machined & slotted integrated shifter cable guides with
> 8-point detent"
> and the pictures show what looks like a standard Shimano adjustment
> screw in there. Which needs an M5 threading to work. Would the
> "8-point detent" be suitable to hold an M5 nut?
Sorry I missed that. Yes any M5 adjuster. If you have a Shimano lockring
on that adjuster it will fit the detents - no particular advantage to
that either way. Your Campagnolo adjusters fit too.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 07:10:09
From: Helmut Springer
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> Sorry I missed that. Yes any M5 adjuster. If you have a Shimano
> lockring on that adjuster it will fit the detents
Well, the OP misses the threading...seems the vendor missed to cut
them. Threading himself might be the easiest solution, though Ti is
hard to works...
--
MfG/Best regards
helmut springer
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 02:57:04
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Sorry I missed that. Yes any M5 adjuster. If you have a Shimano
>> lockring on that adjuster it will fit the detents
Helmut Springer wrote:
> Well, the OP misses the threading...seems the vendor missed to cut
> them. Threading himself might be the easiest solution, though Ti is
> hard to works...
In my opinion, if there are bosses without threads but with detents it's
defective and should be exchanged.
I mean nonthreaded bosses may have been intentional but not with locknut
detents on them. That's illogical, hence defective.
Wish I knew more, sounds weird so far.
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 10:36:11
From: Helmut Springer
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> In my opinion, if there are bosses without threads but with
> detents it's defective and should be exchanged.
Agreed. Question is if sending back and forth is more effort than
cutting threads yourselve...which might be very individual. I'd
always require the vendor to accept the defect and then might agree
on a solution...
--
MfG/Best regards
helmut springer
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 23:35:25
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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VeloJon wrote:
> On Jun 5, 4:45 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>> On Jun 5, 1:11 pm, richard <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook -http://www.vannicholas.com)
>>> appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
>>> instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
>>> Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
>>> this frame?
>>> Am I missing something (physically or mentally :(
>>> R.
>>> richard at lbrc dot org
>> If you're running Chorus, you don't need them. The RD has an adjuster
>> to dial in the rear indexing, and the front isn't indexed. Just set
>> your limit screws, pull the cable taut with a pair of pliers, bolt it
>> down, and you're good to go.
>>
>> If you really need an adjuster, Jagwire (among others) make inline
>> ones you can put anywhere along the housing. But with Chorus, you
>> really don't need one. Having them on the downtube just encourages you
>> to fiddle with them while riding, which rarely helps.
>
> OK - What about the same question when you do have an indexed front
> brifter like an Ultegra triple?
>
Then you need a inline cable adjuster. Ugly, but no problem.
Lou
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:45:40
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Non-threaded cable 'mounts' vs threaded cable adjusters?
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On Jun 5, 1:11 pm, richard <richard...@gmail.com > wrote:
> My new frame (Van Nicholas Chinook -http://www.vannicholas.com)
> appears to have plain non-threaded cable mounts on the headtube,
> instead of the threaded cable adjusters I was expecting.
>
> Anyone know how I'm supposed to fit my Campag Chorus 2007 groupset to
> this frame?
>
> Am I missing something (physically or mentally :(
>
> R.
> richard at lbrc dot org
If you're running Chorus, you don't need them. The RD has an adjuster
to dial in the rear indexing, and the front isn't indexed. Just set
your limit screws, pull the cable taut with a pair of pliers, bolt it
down, and you're good to go.
If you really need an adjuster, Jagwire (among others) make inline
ones you can put anywhere along the housing. But with Chorus, you
really don't need one. Having them on the downtube just encourages you
to fiddle with them while riding, which rarely helps.
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