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Date: 10 Oct 2007 00:40:21
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f.jpg
http://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
Tidy!
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 18:16:34
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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On Oct 10, 10:15 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1192073552.654480.65...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 9, 6:40 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> > > Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> > > live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
>
> > > Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> > > clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
>
> > >http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f....
> > > ://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
>
> > > The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> > > including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
>
> > > Tidy!
> > Jon Baker has been a top rider in CO for years. It's great to see him
> > do the Belgian thing. Here's a picture I took of him several years
> > ago:
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.php?id=photos/2003/oct03/XilinxCX/2...
> > ss_102603_21
>
> > The cable adjuster is cool and looks very light, but I prefer my own
> > solution for ease of use:
> >http://fischer-wade.net/cross_07/album/slides/cross1_3.html
>
> My CX bike has 'cross levers, with integrated adjusters. I use those as
> my primaries. But yes, that generic mid-cable adjuster (Nashbar?) is
> nice. I have a set in The Pile that I bought just in case.
I use the Jagwire version. You can get them at bikeman.com which is
great for cross stuff in general.
>
> As an aside, maybe the Time users will disagree, but aren't Egg Beaters
> just the best thing to happen to CX since 8-speed cogsets?
I used to use Time, and switched to Egg Beaters for the weight and
supposed mud clearing advantages. Both work great. For me, their
greatest advantage is fool proof releases, no matter how dirty they
are. Last week, I built a new cross bike for my wife (pretty orange
Salsa) and finally talked her into switching from SPDs to the Egg
Beaters after years of lobbying.
Bret
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Date: 12 Oct 2007 03:05:00
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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In article <1192126594.142104.230920@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com >,
Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 10:15 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> > In article <1192073552.654480.65...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 9, 6:40 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> > > > Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> > > > live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
> >
> > > > Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> > > > clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
> >
> > > >http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f....
> > > > ://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
> >
> > > > The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> > > > including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
> >
> > > > Tidy!
> > > Jon Baker has been a top rider in CO for years. It's great to see him
> > > do the Belgian thing. Here's a picture I took of him several years
> > > ago:
> > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.php?id=photos/2003/oct03/XilinxCX/2...
> > > ss_102603_21
> >
> > > The cable adjuster is cool and looks very light, but I prefer my own
> > > solution for ease of use:
> > >http://fischer-wade.net/cross_07/album/slides/cross1_3.html
> >
> > My CX bike has 'cross levers, with integrated adjusters. I use those as
> > my primaries. But yes, that generic mid-cable adjuster (Nashbar?) is
> > nice. I have a set in The Pile that I bought just in case.
>
> I use the Jagwire version. You can get them at bikeman.com which is
> great for cross stuff in general.
>
> >
> > As an aside, maybe the Time users will disagree, but aren't Egg Beaters
> > just the best thing to happen to CX since 8-speed cogsets?
>
> I used to use Time, and switched to Egg Beaters for the weight and
> supposed mud clearing advantages. Both work great. For me, their
> greatest advantage is fool proof releases, no matter how dirty they
> are. Last week, I built a new cross bike for my wife (pretty orange
> Salsa) and finally talked her into switching from SPDs to the Egg
> Beaters after years of lobbying.
>
> Bret
Your wife is very wise. On a pure cost-basis, I continue to tout SPDs
(or compatible clones) as the best value in clipless, UNTIL ONE STARTS
RIDING CYCLOCROSS. At which point the SPDs pack with crap and piss you
off.
After doing two seasons of 'cross, and realizing it will probably be the
last form of racing I give up, I promptly switched my main bikes to
Crank Bros pedals.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 03:32:32
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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On Oct 9, 6:40 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
>
> Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
>
> http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f.jpghttp://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
>
> The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
>
> Tidy!
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
Jon Baker has been a top rider in CO for years. It's great to see him
do the Belgian thing. Here's a picture I took of him several years
ago:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.php?id=photos/2003/oct03/XilinxCX/21xlnx_cross_102603_21
The cable adjuster is cool and looks very light, but I prefer my own
solution for ease of use:
http://fischer-wade.net/cross_07/album/slides/cross1_3.html
Peter has rebuilt the shifters on this bike.
Bret
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 04:15:52
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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In article <1192073552.654480.65760@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 9, 6:40 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> > Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> > live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
> >
> > Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> > clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
> >
> > http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f.jpghttp
> > ://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
> >
> > The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> > including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
> >
> > Tidy!
> Jon Baker has been a top rider in CO for years. It's great to see him
> do the Belgian thing. Here's a picture I took of him several years
> ago:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.php?id=photos/2003/oct03/XilinxCX/21xlnx_cro
> ss_102603_21
>
> The cable adjuster is cool and looks very light, but I prefer my own
> solution for ease of use:
> http://fischer-wade.net/cross_07/album/slides/cross1_3.html
My CX bike has 'cross levers, with integrated adjusters. I use those as
my primaries. But yes, that generic mid-cable adjuster (Nashbar?) is
nice. I have a set in The Pile that I bought just in case.
As an aside, maybe the Time users will disagree, but aren't Egg Beaters
just the best thing to happen to CX since 8-speed cogsets?
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 16:56:30
From: Scott Gordo
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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On Oct 9, 8:40 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
>
> Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
>
> http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f.jpghttp://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
>
> The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
>
> Tidy!
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
Gotta love a guy who names his son Axel. Who does he think he is?
/s
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 10:54:03
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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Scott Gordo wrote:
> Gotta love a guy who names his son Axel. Who does he think he is?
Mr. Grackle!
(Had to Google to figure out where the hell THAT came from:
http://kidshow.dcmemories.com/tugg.html. Scroll down a bit.)
Bill "appeared on the Pic Temple Show, too" S.
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 07:21:52
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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On Oct 9, 8:13 pm, JG <j...@cox.net > wrote:
> Any brake adjuster on a cantilever changes the mechanical advantage.
> That's why you should adjust for wear by advancing the pads up their
> shafts.
>
> A high profile cantilever is designed to set up at 90 degrees at pad
> contact. That way is doesn't matter how long the straddle cable is.
> The cable adjuster is just to take the slack out of the set up if you
> didn't clamp it exactly. The adjuster is tidy, but it's no different
> that the standard housing stop solution...
>
> JG
Unless the frame doesn't have the ability to have 'standard' housing
stops, particularly on the front brake cable stop.
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 01:15:52
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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In article <1192026112.712357.110020@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Oct 9, 8:13 pm, JG <j...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Any brake adjuster on a cantilever changes the mechanical advantage.
> > That's why you should adjust for wear by advancing the pads up their
> > shafts.
> >
> > A high profile cantilever is designed to set up at 90 degrees at pad
> > contact. That way is doesn't matter how long the straddle cable is.
> > The cable adjuster is just to take the slack out of the set up if you
> > didn't clamp it exactly. The adjuster is tidy, but it's no different
> > that the standard housing stop solution...
> >
> > JG
>
> Unless the frame doesn't have the ability to have 'standard' housing
> stops, particularly on the front brake cable stop.
Was that the circumstance? I assumed this was so you could adjust the
straddle cable length (changing mechanical advantage) separate of the
brake cable length (not changing mechanical advantage).
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 23:24:23
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
>
> Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
>
> http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f.jpg
> http://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
>
> The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
>
> Tidy!
>
So Peter Chisholm gets to glue tubulars to CFRP wheels? ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 23:14:06
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
>
> Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
>
> http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f.jpg
> http://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
>
> The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
>
> Tidy!
>
So Peter Chisholm gets to glue tubulars to CFRP wheels? ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 19:13:08
From: JG
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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Any brake adjuster on a cantilever changes the mechanical advantage.
That's why you should adjust for wear by advancing the pads up their
shafts.
A high profile cantilever is designed to set up at 90 degrees at pad
contact. That way is doesn't matter how long the straddle cable is.
The cable adjuster is just to take the slack out of the set up if you
didn't clamp it exactly. The adjuster is tidy, but it's no different
that the standard housing stop solution...
JG
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 19:00:38
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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On Oct 9, 8:31 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On Oct 9, 5:40 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> > live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
>
> > Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> > clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
>
> >http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f....
>
> > The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> > including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
>
> > Tidy!
>
> > --
> > Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> > "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> > to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
>
> Nifty!
>
> Nonetheless, I'd be afraid of the uninitiated using such a thing like
> it was a regular brake adjuster, not realizing that they're also
> adjusting their mechanical advantage while adjusting the pad-to-rim
> distance.
IMO, that is why you don't see that very useful feature on production
cantis: it can be dangerous in the hands of the uninitiated.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 18:31:59
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Qui si parla cyclocross?
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On Oct 9, 5:40 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> Velonews has an article on a guy named Jon Baker who is heading over to
> live the dream by racing cyclocross in Europe.
>
> Super duper, but the part we care about is that he has some fairly
> clever-looking adjustable canti brakes:
>
> http://velonews.com/view_full.php?image=/images/report/13487.20991.f.jpghttp://velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13487.0.html
>
> The article explains the nearly self-evident details of how it was done,
> including the fact that rbt favourites Vecchio's helped construct them.
>
> Tidy!
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
Nifty!
Nonetheless, I'd be afraid of the uninitiated using such a thing like
it was a regular brake adjuster, not realizing that they're also
adjusting their mechanical advantage while adjusting the pad-to-rim
distance.
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