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Date: 18 Oct 2007 18:30:10
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Java
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Date: 24 Oct 2007 02:38:15
From: Stevie
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 23, 7:10 am, Paul Kopit <pko...@att.net > wrote:
> I am very pleased with my Soma Smoothie
> <http://www.somafab.com/frames_main.html> The frame meets your
> specifications and will, with reservation, accomodate 700x28 tires.
> The Smoothie ES will hold larger tires but requires the longer reach
> dual pivot brake. I've built up 2 of those for friends.
>
> The design, construction, and ride are excellent. A great value too.
> I use the bike most of the time when I ride by myself or light tour.
> When I ride with a group, where I don't set the pace, I use my CAAD9
> or Colnago Titanio.
>
> The reservation is that one has to be careful with fork selection. I
> ordered the steel steerer Mosaic Carbon (recommended)
> <http://www.interlocracing.com/forks.html> and it didn't even take a
> 700x25 Michelin Krylion. I found a used Cannondale Slice Carbon fork
> that is plenty wide. The newer Cannondale, Premium fork is narrow
> too.
>
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:30:10 GMT, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
>
>
>
> <Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org>> wrote:
> >My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> >something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> >30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> >winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> >I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> >fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> >cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> >with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
> >Thanks,
>
> >Java- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
I find it very ironic that only steel road bikes offer fender
clearance today. The very material that is the most susceptible to
water.
Steve
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 15:10:56
From: Paul Kopit
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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I am very pleased with my Soma Smoothie
<http://www.somafab.com/frames_main.html > The frame meets your
specifications and will, with reservation, accomodate 700x28 tires.
The Smoothie ES will hold larger tires but requires the longer reach
dual pivot brake. I've built up 2 of those for friends.
The design, construction, and ride are excellent. A great value too.
I use the bike most of the time when I ride by myself or light tour.
When I ride with a group, where I don't set the pace, I use my CAAD9
or Colnago Titanio.
The reservation is that one has to be careful with fork selection. I
ordered the steel steerer Mosaic Carbon (recommended)
<http://www.interlocracing.com/forks.html > and it didn't even take a
700x25 Michelin Krylion. I found a used Cannondale Slice Carbon fork
that is plenty wide. The newer Cannondale, Premium fork is narrow
too.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:30:10 GMT, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<Espressopithecus<javaman@espresso.org >> wrote:
>My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
>something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
>30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
>winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
>I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
>fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
>cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
>with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Java
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Date: 23 Oct 2007 01:13:14
From: Marian
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 19, 11:55 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk >
wrote:
> Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus <java...@espresso.org>> wro=
te:
>
> > My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> > something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> > 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> > winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
> > I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> > fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> > cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> > with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
> Any cheap custom china-build titanium frame. If =FDour are from north
> america a Habanero must be _the_ choise. In Europe there is Setavento
> who does cheap custum titanium.
If Setavento is China-made I'd be willing to bet money that they're
using the same fabricator Habanero is using.
Very good bikes.
I know there are some differences between the bikes they make for
different brands (cause I've personally sat my butt on two different
brands out of the same factory) but Mark is significantly cheaper.
-M
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Date: 20 Oct 2007 04:10:14
From: Marian
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 19, 6:51 am, Andrew Martin <andrew.franklin.mar...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Oct 18, 1:58 pm, Paul Myron Hobson <phob...@gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> > Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus wrote:
>
> > > Can you suggest a Ti frame with fender clearance and mounting lugs,
> > > drilled for regular side pull brakes, and with no canti bosses?
>
> > Habanero?http://habcycles.com/cross.html
>
> > Rear triangle will have the cantilever bosses. Maybe another one of his
> > frames will suit you better. Owner's a nice dude. I'm sure he wan work
> > with you.
>
> Good call. I know a fellow Seattelite who has ridden the Habanero Ti
> as her Rain bike for years and loves it. Fender clearance? - not
> sure, but there are certainly ways of dealing with those challenges.
I think the cross bike has good fender clearance.
I'm not entirely sure since my Habanero is a custom geometry race
bike.
The factory that he gets his frames made at is the best ti frame
builder in China. They make frames for a number of different brands
and also have a house brand. As the "affordable" titanium option Mark
actually charges _less_ for his stock bikes in the US than the house
brand's (farther down the food chain) stock bikes sell for in China.
I found all this out afterwards. First some of my friends with
Shimano Shanghai were asking "why are you getting an _American_ brand
of ti frame, isn't [factory name's] house brand good enough?" Then,
Mark specially arranged to have my frame shipped direct to me (since I
live in China) and the factory left their name on the China Rail
Express form. So I asked the bike shop how much they were paying for
the house brand frames.
-M
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 14:54:32
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 19, 4:20 pm, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org >> wrote:
> You and several others are making me re-think my "uses regular road
> brakes rather than cantis" requirement. A Habanero would seem to be a
> near-perfect solution if I drop that requirement.
I don't know for sure what you mean there. Setup for either or both is
possible, no?
I think in Habanero-land, "custom" means U-Spec-It. (<g >)
http://www.habcycles.com/custom.html
--D-y
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 17:55:38
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus <javaman@espresso.org >> wrote:
> My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
> I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
Any cheap custom china-build titanium frame. If żour are from north
america a Habanero must be _the_ choise. In Europe there is Setavento
who does cheap custum titanium.
Winth the cheap dollar in mind. im' currently considering getting a
Habanero for winter/cross and comuting.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 18:58:52
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> ...
> Any cheap custom china-build titanium frame. If żour are from north
> america a Habanero must be _the_ choise. In Europe there is Setavento
> who does cheap custum titanium.
>
> Winth the cheap dollar in mind. im' currently considering getting a
> Habanero for winter/cross and comuting.
What if one dislikes inappropriate use of emoticons?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 22 Oct 2007 15:54:39
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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In article <ffbgbv$n2d$3@registered.motzarella.org >, sunsetss0003
@yahoo.com says...
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> > ...
> > Any cheap custom china-build titanium frame. If żour are from north
> > america a Habanero must be _the_ choise. In Europe there is Setavento
> > who does cheap custum titanium.
> >
> > Winth the cheap dollar in mind. im' currently considering getting a
> > Habanero for winter/cross and comuting.
>
> What if one dislikes inappropriate use of emoticons?
>
One suffers. ;-))*++
Java
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 21:20:27
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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In article <qk0nu4-1o5.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk >, spam@reippuert.dk says...
> Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus <javaman@espresso.org>> wrote:
> > My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> > something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> > 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> > winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> > I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> > fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> > cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> > with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
> Any cheap custom china-build titanium frame. If żour are from north
> america a Habanero must be _the_ choise. In Europe there is Setavento
> who does cheap custum titanium.
>
> Winth the cheap dollar in mind. im' currently considering getting a
> Habanero for winter/cross and comuting.
>
You and several others are making me re-think my "uses regular road
brakes rather than cantis" requirement. A Habanero would seem to be a
near-perfect solution if I drop that requirement.
Java
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 04:33:48
From:
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 19, 9:37 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> > lemmiwinks...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Could a sacrificial anode be used? Perhaps on the steel bike also?
>
> Some bikes _are_ sacrificed to the Salty Gods:http://www.yellowjersey.org/mitch.html
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
I'm all for repairing things, but I think even I'd let that one go...
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 18:08:42
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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>>> lemmiwinks...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Could a sacrificial anode be used? Perhaps on the steel bike also?
>A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Some bikes _are_ sacrificed to the Salty Gods:http://www.yellowjersey.org/mitch.html
lemmiwinks.au@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm all for repairing things, but I think even I'd let that one go...
Sometimes you're twenty years into one-at-a-time and it's hard to say
'when'.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 18:35:00
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus wrote:
> My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
LOL, after 35 years your steel frame is rusting, and you think that
aluminum will last longer? It'll either corrode from the salt or break
from metal fatigue far sooner than 35 years.
> I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
That makes it much harder.
My road bikes are only 20 years old or so, steel of course. No rust yet,
but they don't salt the roads in California, even in snow country.
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 21:13:46
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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In article <47180964$0$79875$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net >,
scharf.steven@geemail.com says...
> Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus wrote:
> > My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> > something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> > 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> > winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> LOL, after 35 years your steel frame is rusting, and you think that
> aluminum will last longer? It'll either corrode from the salt or break
> from metal fatigue far sooner than 35 years.
I doubt I have another 35 years of riding left in my knees. They're . .
. rusting. ;-)
Anyway, my steel frame had no discernable rust, inside or out, only 5
years ago when it was stripped to the bare metal, degreased, and
repainted professionally. And no rust showed up until last year -- the
first year I used it as a rain bike.
>
> > I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> > fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> > cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> > with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
> That makes it much harder.
>
Yep, that's what I'm finding.
Java
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 22:51:43
From: Andrew Martin
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 18, 1:58 pm, Paul Myron Hobson <phob...@gatech.edu > wrote:
> Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus wrote:
>
> > Can you suggest a Ti frame with fender clearance and mounting lugs,
> > drilled for regular side pull brakes, and with no canti bosses?
>
> Habanero?http://habcycles.com/cross.html
>
> Rear triangle will have the cantilever bosses. Maybe another one of his
> frames will suit you better. Owner's a nice dude. I'm sure he wan work
> with you.
>
> \\paul
Good call. I know a fellow Seattelite who has ridden the Habanero Ti
as her Rain bike for years and loves it. Fender clearance? - not
sure, but there are certainly ways of dealing with those challenges.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 15:50:36
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 18, 1:30 pm, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org >> wrote:
> My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
I used to ride through the cindered and salted ice and snow <g > .
Another problem is what happens when the bike goes back inside. Water,
water everywhere. One reason fixed gear was popular for such service,
"less stuff to ruin".
You might find a "junker" (a nice one, of course) and do what it takes
to make it through a season or two with that (rattle can paint,
whatever). Trek made some nice touring frames back when that come up
on ebay and elsewhere which might suit you very well. Room and holes
for fenders, wide tires, road brakes; non-integrated HS, usually not
too expensive as they often already need paint when put up for sale.
These and other brands sometimes appear at garage sales, thrift shops,
etc. with adequate (cheap/disposable) bad-weather running gear
installed, too. --D-y
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 22:47:20
From:
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 19, 6:37 am, bbe...@telemark.slac.stanford.edu (Booker Bense)
wrote:
> In article <MPG.2181575cd6f635ed989...@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
> Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you ride through the winter in this climate, you often come
> >home with salty water *everywhere*. Rust never sleeps.
>
> Salt water and Aluminum isn't exactly a maintainance free combo
> either. While is doesn't rust per se, anyplace you have metal
> to metal contact will build up with deposits that can actually
> crack the surrounding metal. ( Google stress corrosion cracking ).
Could a sacrificial anode be used? Perhaps on the steel bike also?
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 18:37:38
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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>> Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org> wrote:
>>> If you ride through the winter in this climate, you often come
>>> home with salty water *everywhere*. Rust never sleeps.
> bbe...@telemark.slac.stanford.edu (Booker Bense) wrote:
>> Salt water and Aluminum isn't exactly a maintainance free combo
>> either. While is doesn't rust per se, anyplace you have metal
>> to metal contact will build up with deposits that can actually
>> crack the surrounding metal. ( Google stress corrosion cracking ).
lemmiwinks.au@gmail.com wrote:
> Could a sacrificial anode be used? Perhaps on the steel bike also?
Some bikes _are_ sacrificed to the Salty Gods:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/mitch.html
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 22:33:07
From: Victor Kan
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 18, 4:37 pm, bbe...@telemark.slac.stanford.edu (Booker Bense)
wrote:
...
> Specialized sells a whole bike ( the Sequoia ) that meets your
> specs. I've seen them on season end close out for $600 a few
> years ago.
The key is "a few years ago". The last time I looked, Specialized
changed the Sequoia to have less clearance in the rear. I forget
whether they got rid of the fender eyelets on the carbon fork.
I have a Sequoia Sport (all Al frame) from a few years ago and it does
indeed have clearance for full coverage fenders front and rear (I use
Planet Bike Cascadias on that bike), comes with long reach caliper
brakes (extra long in fact, more than the 57mm you usually find in
normal/long reach calipers, but not quite BMX long).
It doesn't "beat me up" in the least.
But they did use an integrated headset, which doesn't meet the OP's
specs.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 15:30:46
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 18, 2:28 pm, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org >> wrote:
> In article <1192737656.477580.292...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> idomybestworkonab...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 19, 5:13 am, Andrew Martin <andrew.franklin.mar...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Oct 18, 11:30 am, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
>
> > > <Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org>> wrote:
> > > > My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> > > > something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> > > > 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> > > > winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> > > > I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> > > > fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> > > > cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> > > > with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
> > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > Java
>
> > > Cyclocross frame? Redline Conquest or so? You can find frame/fork
> > > for ~$400. Why no steel though? The Aluminum frame will beat you up
> > > pretty good and 35years on a frame seems to be a pretty good bang for
> > > your buck.
>
> > Got the bucks for Ti? Gone will be your corrosion fears.
>
> Can you suggest a Ti frame with fender clearance and mounting lugs,
> drilled for regular side pull brakes, and with no canti bosses?
>
> Java- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I imagine Habanero makes such a thing. You may also want to consider
the Salsa Casserol.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 14:11:32
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 18, 3:28 pm, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org >> wrote:
> In article <1192737656.477580.292...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> idomybestworkonab...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > On Oct 19, 5:13 am, Andrew Martin <andrew.franklin.mar...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Oct 18, 11:30 am, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
>
> > > <Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org>> wrote:
> > > > My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> > > > something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> > > > 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> > > > winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> > > > I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> > > > fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> > > > cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> > > > with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
> > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > Java
>
> > > Cyclocross frame? Redline Conquest or so? You can find frame/fork
> > > for ~$400. Why no steel though? The Aluminum frame will beat you up
> > > pretty good and 35years on a frame seems to be a pretty good bang for
> > > your buck.
>
> > Got the bucks for Ti? Gone will be your corrosion fears.
>
> Can you suggest a Ti frame with fender clearance and mounting lugs,
> drilled for regular side pull brakes, and with no canti bosses?
>
http://www.habcycles.com
Good stuff, fairly priced. Even the custom frames are pretty
affordable.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 21:41:36
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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"Espressopithecus (Java Man) >" <Espressopithecus<javaman@espresso.org>
wrote in message
news:MPG.2181460ae420c5a59898d6@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net...
> My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
Kinesis Racelight-T.
Except it fails on the headset. Didn't bother me - I don't see the problem.
cheers,
clive
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 13:00:56
From: Donga
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 19, 5:13 am, Andrew Martin <andrew.franklin.mar...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Oct 18, 11:30 am, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
>
> <Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org>> wrote:
> > My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> > something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> > 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> > winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> > I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> > fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> > cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> > with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Java
>
> Cyclocross frame? Redline Conquest or so? You can find frame/fork
> for ~$400. Why no steel though? The Aluminum frame will beat you up
> pretty good and 35years on a frame seems to be a pretty good bang for
> your buck.
Got the bucks for Ti? Gone will be your corrosion fears.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 20:28:51
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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In article <1192737656.477580.292220@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com >,
idomybestworkonabike@hotmail.com says...
> On Oct 19, 5:13 am, Andrew Martin <andrew.franklin.mar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Oct 18, 11:30 am, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
> >
> > <Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org>> wrote:
> > > My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> > > something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> > > 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> > > winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
> >
> > > I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> > > fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> > > cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> > > with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
> >
> > > Thanks,
> >
> > > Java
> >
> > Cyclocross frame? Redline Conquest or so? You can find frame/fork
> > for ~$400. Why no steel though? The Aluminum frame will beat you up
> > pretty good and 35years on a frame seems to be a pretty good bang for
> > your buck.
>
> Got the bucks for Ti? Gone will be your corrosion fears.
>
Can you suggest a Ti frame with fender clearance and mounting lugs,
drilled for regular side pull brakes, and with no canti bosses?
Java
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 16:58:18
From: Paul Myron Hobson
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus wrote:
> Can you suggest a Ti frame with fender clearance and mounting lugs,
> drilled for regular side pull brakes, and with no canti bosses?
>
Habanero?
http://habcycles.com/cross.html
Rear triangle will have the cantilever bosses. Maybe another one of his
frames will suit you better. Owner's a nice dude. I'm sure he wan work
with you.
\\paul
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 19:13:26
From: Andrew Martin
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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On Oct 18, 11:30 am, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
<Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org >> wrote:
> My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
>
> I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Java
Cyclocross frame? Redline Conquest or so? You can find frame/fork
for ~$400. Why no steel though? The Aluminum frame will beat you up
pretty good and 35years on a frame seems to be a pretty good bang for
your buck.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 19:44:07
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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In article <1192734806.513173.86380@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
andrew.franklin.martin@gmail.com says...
> On Oct 18, 11:30 am, Espressopithecus (Java Man)
> <Espressopithecus<java...@espresso.org>> wrote:
> > My 35-year old steel rain frame is rusting and I want to replace it with
> > something impervious to rust. We get ~ 80" or rain per year, freezes ~
> > 30 - 40 days per year, and salt is used on the roads. I ride through the
> > winter except when there's snow or ice on the roads.
> >
> > I want a frame that has fender clearance and mounting lugs for SKS
> > fenders, that takes 700C wheels, and uses road brakes rather than
> > cantis. I weigh 170, don't need a custom frame, and don't want a frame
> > with an integrated headset. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Java
>
> Cyclocross frame? Redline Conquest or so? You can find frame/fork
> for ~$400.
That may be what I'll end up doing, but the X-frames I've seen all had
cantis. Not that I have anything against cantis, but I already have a
good set of regular brakes that work fine, even in the rain.
> Why no steel though?
I kept my steel frame very clean, waxed, etc. and it looked great (it
was professionally repainted ~ 5 years ago). But last year I rode it
through the winter for the first time. Even though I dried and cleaned
it after every ride, rust is now bubbling up through the paint in a few
places. If you ride through the winter in this climate, you often come
home with salty water *everywhere*. Rust never sleeps.
> The Aluminum frame will beat you up
> pretty good
I've owned one road bike with an Al frame and my fair weather road bike
is Ti. All my bikes have the same tires and saddles. Honestly, aside
from small differences in B-B stiffness, I can't feel a difference in
the ride quality between steel, Al and Ti. Anyway, if you get off your
saddle often enough, you'll never feel beat up by any bike. ;-)
Java
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 21:16:31
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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Espressopithecus aka Rick the Java Man wrote:
> In article <1192734806.513173.86380@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> andrew.franklin.martin@gmail.com says...
>> ....
>> Why no steel though?
>
> I kept my steel frame very clean, waxed, etc. and it looked great (it
> was professionally repainted ~ 5 years ago). But last year I rode it
> through the winter for the first time. Even though I dried and cleaned
> it after every ride, rust is now bubbling up through the paint in a few
> places. If you ride through the winter in this climate, you often come
> home with salty water *everywhere*. Rust never sleeps.
How about a Reynolds 953 stainless steel frame?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 21:17:47
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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In article <ff9420$ku1$4@registered.motzarella.org >, sunsetss0003
@yahoo.com says...
> Espressopithecus aka Rick the Java Man wrote:
> > In article <1192734806.513173.86380@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > andrew.franklin.martin@gmail.com says...
> >> ....
> >> Why no steel though?
> >
> > I kept my steel frame very clean, waxed, etc. and it looked great (it
> > was professionally repainted ~ 5 years ago). But last year I rode it
> > through the winter for the first time. Even though I dried and cleaned
> > it after every ride, rust is now bubbling up through the paint in a few
> > places. If you ride through the winter in this climate, you often come
> > home with salty water *everywhere*. Rust never sleeps.
>
> How about a Reynolds 953 stainless steel frame?
>
I almost bought a new stainless frame a couple of years ago. It was
going for a very low price because it hadn't sold in two years. I
thought it was an extravagance, and anyway that would have violated my
self-imposed "3-bike limit" -- "rain", "regular" and "range" (as in
"mountain").
If I can find one . . . it would be fine.
Java
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 20:37:45
From: Booker Bense
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Non-Steel Road Frame With Fender Clearance?
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In article <MPG.2181575cd6f635ed9898d7@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net >,
Espressopithecus (Java Man) <Espressopithecus<javaman@espresso.org > wrote:
>
> If you ride through the winter in this climate, you often come
>home with salty water *everywhere*. Rust never sleeps.
>
Salt water and Aluminum isn't exactly a maintainance free combo
either. While is doesn't rust per se, anyplace you have metal
to metal contact will build up with deposits that can actually
crack the surrounding metal. ( Google stress corrosion cracking ).
Nashbar makes an AL touring frame that might meet your
needs, if you can take the canti stud out I think you should
be able to use long reach calipers on it.
Specialized sells a whole bike ( the Sequoia ) that meets your
specs. I've seen them on season end close out for $600 a few
years ago.
_ Booker C. Bense
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