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Date: 24 May 2007 16:43:35
From: Mike Lackey
Subject: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

Friend has bike with 9-spd Ultegra gruppo. The left lever (brifter) is
shot.

I'm like to recommend that he replace the Shimano levers and rear derailleur
with Campy levers and rear derailleur, but I've not tried this. I'll bet it
would work, but would it work well? Without any experience, I'm not
confident enough to recommend this to a good friend. He's a super strong
athlete, Ironman caliber, any setup would have to work as well as the
Ultegra (which is good stuff as long as it does not need repair).

Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?

Mike Lackey
Madison, AL

Date: 29 May 2007 11:12:55
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:43:35 GMT, "Mike Lackey" <mr.blutarsky@mchsi.com > wrote:

>Friend has bike with 9-spd Ultegra gruppo. The left lever (brifter) is
>shot.
>
>I'm like to recommend that he replace the Shimano levers and rear derailleur
>with Campy levers and rear derailleur, but I've not tried this. I'll bet it
>would work, but would it work well? Without any experience, I'm not
>confident enough to recommend this to a good friend. He's a super strong
>athlete, Ironman caliber, any setup would have to work as well as the
>Ultegra (which is good stuff as long as it does not need repair).
>
>Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
>derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
>time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?

Here's the link you need: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946

Sorry if it's already been posted - haven't read the whole thread.

There are basically two approaches .... Okay three ....

Use Camp 10s with the Shim Der and Cassette, wrap the cable around the L bracket
instead of under.

Proven combination. I've used Camp 9 w/ Shim 8 this way. Like buttah!

Use Campy 9s shifties and Der with the Shim cassette. I do that now. Works
smooth and well. It shifts fine. I can swap my shimano and campy wheelsets with
a half turn of the cable adjust for smooth operation.

I've read that Camp 10 shifts just fine on Shim 9. I haven't personally tried
it, but trust the guys who say they have. If you look at the chart the
differences are negligible.

Ron

Date: 30 May 2007 00:10:42
From: Mike Lackey
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

Thank you.

And thanks to all who replied.

Well... almost all.

Mike Lackey
Madison, AL

"RonSonic" <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote in message
news:6dgo535ako24mrtr83lgihkcsia016jkc1@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:43:35 GMT, "Mike Lackey" <mr.blutarsky@mchsi.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Friend has bike with 9-spd Ultegra gruppo. The left lever (brifter) is
>>shot.
>>
>>I'm like to recommend that he replace the Shimano levers and rear
>>derailleur
>>with Campy levers and rear derailleur, but I've not tried this. I'll bet
>>it
>>would work, but would it work well? Without any experience, I'm not
>>confident enough to recommend this to a good friend. He's a super strong
>>athlete, Ironman caliber, any setup would have to work as well as the
>>Ultegra (which is good stuff as long as it does not need repair).
>>
>>Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
>>derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
>>time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?
>
> Here's the link you need:
> http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946
>
> Sorry if it's already been posted - haven't read the whole thread.
>
> There are basically two approaches .... Okay three ....
>
> Use Camp 10s with the Shim Der and Cassette, wrap the cable around the L
> bracket
> instead of under.
>
> Proven combination. I've used Camp 9 w/ Shim 8 this way. Like buttah!
>
> Use Campy 9s shifties and Der with the Shim cassette. I do that now. Works
> smooth and well. It shifts fine. I can swap my shimano and campy wheelsets
> with
> a half turn of the cable adjust for smooth operation.
>
> I've read that Camp 10 shifts just fine on Shim 9. I haven't personally
> tried
> it, but trust the guys who say they have. If you look at the chart the
> differences are negligible.
>
> Ron
>

Date: 26 May 2007 05:15:50
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On May 25, 6:50 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1180093192.871521.94690@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.c=
om,
> Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a d=
=E9clar=E9 :
>
> > Any Campag 10s ERGO, a Campag Rder and it will shift shimano 9s
> > spacing as well as shimano 9s STI.
>
> When you use Shimano 9V clusters with an otherwise entirely Campa 9V bike,
> where do you tune the derailleur to shift best ? Middle ?

Just start at the bottom, highest/smallest cog and adjust. The cog
center to center spacing for Campag 10s and shimano 9s is actually
less than Campag 9s and shimano 9s, BTW-
>
> TIA..
>
> --
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine
> *******
>
> La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
> il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'=E9quilibre.
> -- Einstein, A.

Date: 25 May 2007 15:03:15
From: Ron Ruff
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

Date: 25 May 2007 21:52:44
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

>
> Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
> derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
> time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?
>
> Mike Lackey
> Madison, AL
>
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oh hell, just put it all on ebay, and buy some running shoes with the
proceeds and run a marathon.

Date: 25 May 2007 09:22:33
From: amakyonin
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On May 25, 8:50 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> When you use Shimano 9V clusters with an otherwise entirely Campa 9V bike,
> where do you tune the derailleur to shift best ? Middle ?

That sounds like the logical place to align things. Or maybe biased a
little to the higher gears if that is where you spend most of your
time while riding.

What I would like to know is if anyone has substituted a Shimano
centeron pulley set into a campy rear derailleur and seen better
results with shifting and noise (assuming they fit).

Date: 25 May 2007 04:41:40
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On May 24, 11:40 am, futrino <f...@qwest.net > wrote:
> > Alternatively, you might suggest replacing just the left brifter, since
> > that's the one that's broke. Just don't get the latest low-end Campy
> > QS; the older and/or better ones can shift darn near anything, using a
> > ratchet.
>
> > Pat
>
> Hi pat, or anyone.
> Would this work for a left double? I have campy cranks 53/42 8speed and
> I have been using a downtube shifter.
>
> Campagnolo Chorus Brake Lever Shifter
> ebay item 230107882700
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%...
>
> or any other source of shifter, For the rear I have utegra 8 sti and
> shimano cassette
> thanks dan

Yes, this lever will shift a double or triple crank with any FD and
crank combo.

Date: 25 May 2007 04:39:52
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On May 24, 10:43 am, "Mike Lackey" <mr.blutar...@mchsi.com > wrote:
> Friend has bike with 9-spd Ultegra gruppo. The left lever (brifter) is
> shot.
>
> I'm like to recommend that he replace the Shimano levers and rear derailleur
> with Campy levers and rear derailleur, but I've not tried this. I'll bet it
> would work, but would it work well?

Any Campag 10s ERGO, a Campag Rder and it will shift shimano 9s
spacing as well as shimano 9s STI.

Without any experience, I'm not
> confident enough to recommend this to a good friend. He's a super strong
> athlete, Ironman caliber, any setup would have to work as well as the
> Ultegra (which is good stuff as long as it does not need repair).
>
> Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
> derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
> time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?

See above. With lots of people with shimano 9s wheels but seeing the
often busted STI, we convert to Campag 10s ERGO/Rder all the time with
great results.
>
> Mike Lackey
> Madison, AL

Date: 25 May 2007 14:50:38
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

Dans le message de
news:1180093192.871521.94690@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com,
Qui si parla Campagnolo <peter@vecchios.com > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

> Any Campag 10s ERGO, a Campag Rder and it will shift shimano 9s
> spacing as well as shimano 9s STI.

When you use Shimano 9V clusters with an otherwise entirely Campa 9V bike,
where do you tune the derailleur to shift best ? Middle ?

TIA..

--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine
*******

La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
-- Einstein, A.

Date: 25 May 2007 10:27:59
From: Paul Kopit
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:43:35 GMT, "Mike Lackey"
<mr.blutarsky@mchsi.com > wrote:

>Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
>derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
>time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?

I do it using 10 sp ergo and 9sp shimano cassettes w/o problem on my
touring bike. Works fine and I forget that I only have 9 cogs.

Date: 25 May 2007 18:19:18
From: Nigel Cliffe
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

Paul Kopit wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:43:35 GMT, "Mike Lackey"
> <mr.blutarsky@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
>> derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly,
>> first time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?
>
> I do it using 10 sp ergo and 9sp shimano cassettes w/o problem on my
> touring bike. Works fine and I forget that I only have 9 cogs.

Put "Shimergo" into a search engine, then follow the link near the top to
the CTC website on Shimano/Campagnolo cross-options.

I plan to use Campagnolo 10 speed levers with Shimano 8 rear when I rebuild
the rear wheel on my tourer (currently its 7-speed screw threaded
freewheel); this is a common combination.
I have the relevant Ergo levers in my parts drawer as the newer 2007
Campagnolo levers introduce a few changes from the 2006 and earlier designs.

- Nigel

--
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

Date: 24 May 2007 18:50:51
From: Tim McTeague
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

"Mike Lackey" <mr.blutarsky@mchsi.com > wrote in message
news:Xgj5i.69660$n_.26859@attbi_s21...
> Friend has bike with 9-spd Ultegra gruppo. The left lever (brifter) is
> shot.
>
> I'm like to recommend that he replace the Shimano levers and rear
> derailleur with Campy levers and rear derailleur, but I've not tried this.
> I'll bet it would work, but would it work well? Without any experience,
> I'm not confident enough to recommend this to a good friend. He's a
> super strong athlete, Ironman caliber, any setup would have to work as
> well as the Ultegra (which is good stuff as long as it does not need
> repair).
>
> Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
> derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
> time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?
>
> Mike Lackey
> Madison, AL

For several years I have been running Campagnolo 10speed Ergo levers and all
the rest Shimano 9 speed by using the Jtek adapter. Just a couple of weeks
ago I replaced the RD and adapter with an '07 Centaur as most of the bike
was Campy by now, save the hubs/cassette/chain. It works perfectly, even
better than the Shimano/Jtek setup. Even the setup was simple, tighten the
cable, center the pulley on cog #4 and it was good to go.

http://www.serotta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29107

Tim McTeague
>
>

Date: 24 May 2007 15:50:29
From: Marcus Coles
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

Mike Lackey wrote:
> Friend has bike with 9-spd Ultegra gruppo. The left lever (brifter) is
> shot.
>
> I'm like to recommend that he replace the Shimano levers and rear derailleur
> with Campy levers and rear derailleur, but I've not tried this. I'll bet it
> would work, but would it work well? Without any experience, I'm not
> confident enough to recommend this to a good friend. He's a super strong
> athlete, Ironman caliber, any setup would have to work as well as the
> Ultegra (which is good stuff as long as it does not need repair).
>
> Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
> derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
> time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?
>

Just change the shifters and get a Jtek Shiftmate.

http://www.jtekengineering.com/

I'm using 2006 Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed Ergos (Pre-QS) with a Shimano
9 speed drivetrain on one of my bikes IMHO it works flawlessly.

Shop around the non-QS Ergos can be found quite reasonably.

Marcus

Date: 24 May 2007 13:19:13
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:43:35 GMT, "Mike Lackey"
<mr.blutarsky@mchsi.com > wrote:

>I'm like to recommend that he replace the Shimano levers and rear derailleur
>with Campy levers and rear derailleur, but I've not tried this.
> I'll bet it
>would work, but would it work well?

You haven't tried it and don't know it will work but want to recommend
it?

> Without any experience, I'm not
>confident enough to recommend this to a good friend.

Are you suggesting you would recommend this to a stranger?
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Date: 24 May 2007 12:16:54
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

Mike Lackey wrote:
> Friend has bike with 9-spd Ultegra gruppo. The left lever (brifter) is
> shot.
>
> I'm like to recommend that he replace the Shimano levers and rear derailleur
> with Campy levers and rear derailleur, but I've not tried this. I'll bet it
> would work, but would it work well? Without any experience, I'm not
> confident enough to recommend this to a good friend. He's a super strong
> athlete, Ironman caliber, any setup would have to work as well as the
> Ultegra (which is good stuff as long as it does not need repair).
>
> Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
> derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
> time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?

Answer: Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, after it's set up correctly. It's
a bit finicky (but so is Shimano, IME), and not too many wrenches know
what they're doing. The key is to get the derailer centered on the
center cog. The outliers may be off by a millimeter, according to the
calculator, but it'll work.

Alternatively, you might suggest replacing just the left brifter, since
that's the one that's broke. Just don't get the latest low-end Campy
QS; the older and/or better ones can shift darn near anything, using a
ratchet.

Pat

Date: 24 May 2007 12:40:40
From: futrino
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

> Alternatively, you might suggest replacing just the left brifter, since
> that's the one that's broke. Just don't get the latest low-end Campy
> QS; the older and/or better ones can shift darn near anything, using a
> ratchet.
>
> Pat
Hi pat, or anyone.
Would this work for a left double? I have campy cranks 53/42 8speed and
I have been using a downtube shifter.

Campagnolo Chorus Brake Lever Shifter
ebay item 230107882700

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230107882700&rd=1&rd=1

or any other source of shifter, For the rear I have utegra 8 sti and
shimano cassette
thanks dan

Date: 24 May 2007 21:49:23
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:40:40 -0500, futrino <futon@qwest.net > wrote:
>> Alternatively, you might suggest replacing just the left brifter, since
>> that's the one that's broke. Just don't get the latest low-end Campy
>> QS; the older and/or better ones can shift darn near anything, using a
>> ratchet.
>>
>> Pat
>Hi pat, or anyone.
>Would this work for a left double? I have campy cranks 53/42 8speed and
>I have been using a downtube shifter.

Shouldn't be a problem, just make sure the limit screws are set.

>Campagnolo Chorus Brake Lever Shifter
>ebay item 230107882700
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230107882700&rd=1&rd=1
>
>or any other source of shifter, For the rear I have utegra 8 sti and
>shimano cassette
>thanks dan

Note, too, you can find single Campy levers; I think they're even in
the QBP catalog.

Pat

Email address works as is.

Date: 24 May 2007 09:57:40
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On May 24, 11:43 am, "Mike Lackey" <mr.blutar...@mchsi.com > wrote:
>
> Question: has anybody out there actually ridden Campy levers and rear
> derailleur with a Shimano casette? If so, does it shift smoothly, first
> time, every time, without hesitation and without mis-shifts?
>
> Mike Lackey
> Madison, AL

After changing to 10 speed chain - Works great no problem. Campy 10
speed shifters, Campy RD and Shimano 9sp Cassette. 9 speed chain has
very small amount of noise in one gear if not adjusted perfectly. 10
sp chain give a margin of error and silence.

Date: 25 May 2007 10:29:35
From: Paul Kopit
Subject: Re: Replacing Shimano Levers w/Campy

On 24 May 2007 09:57:40 -0700, Wayne <waynesulak@yahoo.com > wrote:

>After changing to 10 speed chain - Works great no problem. Campy 10
>speed shifters, Campy RD and Shimano 9sp Cassette. 9 speed chain has
>very small amount of noise in one gear if not adjusted perfectly. 10
>sp chain give a margin of error and silence.

Actually, I do just the opposite and use a Sram 951 chain which is
wider than either Shimano 10 or 9 chain. I've been doing that for
years on my tandem.