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Date: 07 Aug 2007 00:26:47
From: Kinky Cowboy
Subject: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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My parts bin contains some SH-50 and SH-51 cleats, which are quite
different in the detailed shape of both front and rear engagement
parts. It looks as though the SH-50 would provide some float. On
Sheldon Brown, there doesn't seem to be any distinction between the
two.
Am I right about the float, or is there some other functional
difference between these cleats?
I'm going to swap out the unsuitable SH-55 cleats on my spare shoes so
I can use them with the PD-M959 pedals on my touring bike, on which I
currently use SH-51 cleats. Given that I don't crave float, do I stick
with the SH-51, or is there a reason to try the SH-50?
Kinky Cowboy*
*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 18:41:23
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Aug 9, 6:31 pm, Sheldon "Narcissist" Brown
<CaptB...@sheldonbrown.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle Service 100% Service and 0% "Attitude" wrote:
>
> > You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
> > anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
>
> The thing is that if I'm going to quote somebody, I like to be able to
> provide attribution.
Then why not just use their posting handle? You know, the one they
posted under.... Try it: "John Doe wrote:"
>
> If I don't know who wrote the message I'm replying to I still need
> something to make it clear that it's a quotation.
What a steaming pile of bullshit. Does that kind of crap fly in
Newton?
>
> I use the "shy person" attribution to give the originator the benefit
> of the doubt, not to imply that the "shy person" is necessarily a
> craven coward or a paranoiac.
What is it that you *are* trying to imply? And why do they, or anyone
else, need "the benefit of [your] doubt"? Why mention it at all? Why
do you make a big deal of a poster's 'anonymity' on Usenet?
>
> > Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
> > will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
> > good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
> > this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
> > Usenet.
>
> I have not found this to be the case.
You are in the bike biz, trying to make a sale or two along the way.
Anonymity would hardly serve your purposes, would it?
>
> The worst I've had along this line are the occasional flames on
> newsgroups, but I can live with that.
>
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 10:10:51
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:41:23 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Aug 9, 6:31 pm, Sheldon "Narcissist" Brown
><CaptB...@sheldonbrown.com> wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle Service 100% Service and 0% "Attitude" wrote:
>>
>> > You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
>> > anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
>>
>> The thing is that if I'm going to quote somebody, I like to be able to
>> provide attribution.
>
>
>Then why not just use their posting handle? You know, the one they
>posted under.... Try it: "John Doe wrote:"
>
>>
>> If I don't know who wrote the message I'm replying to I still need
>> something to make it clear that it's a quotation.
>
>
>What a steaming pile of bullshit. Does that kind of crap fly in
>Newton?
>
>
>>
>> I use the "shy person" attribution to give the originator the benefit
>> of the doubt, not to imply that the "shy person" is necessarily a
>> craven coward or a paranoiac.
>
>
>What is it that you *are* trying to imply? And why do they, or anyone
>else, need "the benefit of [your] doubt"? Why mention it at all? Why
>do you make a big deal of a poster's 'anonymity' on Usenet?
>
>
>>
>> > Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
>> > will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
>> > good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
>> > this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
>> > Usenet.
>
>>
>> I have not found this to be the case.
>
>
>You are in the bike biz, trying to make a sale or two along the way.
>Anonymity would hardly serve your purposes, would it?
The pretense of not understanding the difference between using a handle and an
attempt at anonymity is the annoying bit. Pretty well everyone knows who the
regulars are and there's no hiding being done. Just a bit of fun on the
internets.
Ron
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 16:31:42
From: Sheldon Brown
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Ozark Bicycle Service 100% Service and 0% "Attitude" wrote:
> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
The thing is that if I'm going to quote somebody, I like to be able to
provide attribution.
If I don't know who wrote the message I'm replying to I still need
something to make it clear that it's a quotation.
I use the "shy person" attribution to give the originator the benefit
of the doubt, not to imply that the "shy person" is necessarily a
craven coward or a paranoiac.
> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
> Usenet.
I have not found this to be the case.
The worst I've had along this line are the occasional flames on
newsgroups, but I can live with that.
Sheldon "Party Doll" Brown
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 03:36:51
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Aug 8, 11:52 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > jim beam wrote:
> >> A Muzi wrote:
> >>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\"
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sherman"<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "jim"?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you
> >>>>>>>>>>> anonymous?
> >>>>>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
> >>>>>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
> >>>>>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
> >>>>>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> insults? I think not.
> >>>>>>> look at the headers tom.
> >>>>>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim
> >>>>>> beam"?
> >>>>>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
> >>>>>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
> >>>>>> credit card validation away.
> >>>>> This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
> >>>>> example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
> >>>>> exists.
> >>>> I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
> >>>> poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
> >>>>> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
> >>>>> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
> >>>> So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
> >>>>> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
> >>>>> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
> >>>>> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
> >>>>> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
> >>>>> Usenet.
> >>>> Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
> >>>>> Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
> >>>> But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
>
> >>> In this case I know Tom Sherman and he's. . . Tom Sherman!
> >>> Really!
>
> >> philosophically, that can't be true. he's simply a guy that calls
> >> himself that. or so you imagine.
>
> > Andrew Muzi could tell you what brand of European commuter bike one of
> > my relatives rides, since he sold said bike a couple of years ago.
>
> "whoosh"-
It doesn't take much, does it?
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 20:22:05
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Aug 8, 10:19 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >>> jim beam wrote:
> >>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
> >>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
> >>>>>>>>> "jim"?
> >>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
> >>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
> >>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
> >>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
> >>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
> >>>>> insults? I think not.
> >>>> look at the headers tom.
> >>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
> >>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
> >>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
> >>> credit card validation away.
> >> This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
> >> example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
> >> exists.
> > I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
> > poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
> >> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
> >> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
> > So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
> >> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
> >> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
> >> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
> >> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
> >> Usenet.
> > Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
> >> Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
> > But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
>
> In this case I know Tom Sherman and he's. . . Tom Sherman!
> Really!
>
But who cares? Really!
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 18:21:46
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Aug 8, 6:34 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@invailid.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Aug 7, 6:59 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> > <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>>> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> >>>>>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
> >>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
> >>>>>>>> "jim"?
> >>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
> >>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> >>>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
> >>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
> >>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
> >>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
> >>>> insults? I think not.
> >>> look at the headers tom.
> >> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
>
> >> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
> >> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
> >> credit card validation away.
>
> > This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
> > example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
> > exists.
>
> I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
> poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
Who gives a sh**?? That only concerns the person you're buyng from.
Others don't care.....not even slightly.
>
> > You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
> > anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
>
> So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
???
>
> > Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
> > will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
> > good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
> > this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
> > Usenet.
>
> Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
So what?
>
> > Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
>
> But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
What the fu** is a "real fake"?
>
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 23:53:41
From: Paul Kopit
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:26:47 +0100, Kinky Cowboy <user@domain.com >
wrote:
>I'm going to swap out the unsuitable SH-55 cleats on my spare shoes so
>I can use them with the PD-M959 pedals on my touring bike, on which I
>currently use SH-51 cleats. Given that I don't crave float, do I stick
>with the SH-51, or is there a reason to try the SH-50?
The SH50 is the no float model. The 51 has some float. Either will
work in the 959.
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 05:49:01
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Aug 7, 6:59 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@invailid.com > wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
> > Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
> >>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> >>>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
> >>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
> >>>>>> "jim"?
>
> >>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
> >>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> >>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> >>> dick in your butt, bitch
>
> >> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
> >> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
> >> insults? I think not.
>
> > look at the headers tom.
>
> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
>
> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
> credit card validation away.
>
>
This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
exists.
You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
Usenet.
Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 18:34:20
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Aug 7, 6:59 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>>>>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
>>>> insults? I think not.
>>> look at the headers tom.
>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
>>
>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
>> credit card validation away.
>>
> This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
> example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
> exists.
I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
> Usenet.
Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
> Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 22:19:01
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
>>>>> insults? I think not.
>>>> look at the headers tom.
>>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
>>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
>>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
>>> credit card validation away.
>> This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
>> example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
>> exists.
> I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
> poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
>> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
>> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
> So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
>> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
>> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
>> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
>> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
>> Usenet.
> Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
>> Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
> But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
In this case I know Tom Sherman and he's. . . Tom Sherman!
Really!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 12:41:44
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:19:01 -0500, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
>Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>>>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>>>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
>>>>>> insults? I think not.
>>>>> look at the headers tom.
>>>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
>>>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
>>>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
>>>> credit card validation away.
>>> This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
>>> example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
>>> exists.
>> I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
>> poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
>>> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
>>> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
>> So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
>>> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
>>> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
>>> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
>>> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
>>> Usenet.
>> Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
>>> Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
>> But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
>
>In this case I know Tom Sherman and he's. . . Tom Sherman!
As if there were anyone else who'd want to be Tom Sherman.
Ron
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 12:14:52
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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>A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> blathered:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
-snip-
RonSonic wrote:
> As if there were anyone else who'd want to be Tom Sherman.
heh heh you'd be surprised.
I'm surrounded by a quarter million of the 'loony left' here. Tom is at
least literate and occasionally humorous. In Madison, his views would be
considered very much right of center. Hell, al qaeda could do 'fund
raiser' events in this neighborhood!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 20:42:21
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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A Muzi wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\"
>>>>>>>>> Sherman"<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>>>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>>>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
>>>>>> insults? I think not.
>>>>> look at the headers tom.
>>>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim
>>>> beam"?
>>>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
>>>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
>>>> credit card validation away.
>>> This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
>>> example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
>>> exists.
>> I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
>> poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
>>> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
>>> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
>> So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
>>> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
>>> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
>>> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
>>> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
>>> Usenet.
>> Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
>>> Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
>> But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
>
> In this case I know Tom Sherman and he's. . . Tom Sherman!
> Really!
philosophically, that can't be true. he's simply a guy that calls
himself that. or so you imagine.
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 23:33:40
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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jim beam wrote:
> A Muzi wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\"
>>>>>>>>>> Sherman"<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you
>>>>>>>>>> anonymous?
>>>>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>>>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>>>>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
>>>>>>> insults? I think not.
>>>>>> look at the headers tom.
>>>>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim
>>>>> beam"?
>>>>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
>>>>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
>>>>> credit card validation away.
>>>> This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
>>>> example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
>>>> exists.
>>> I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
>>> poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
>>>> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
>>>> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
>>> So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
>>>> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
>>>> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
>>>> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
>>>> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
>>>> Usenet.
>>> Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
>>>> Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
>>> But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
>>
>> In this case I know Tom Sherman and he's. . . Tom Sherman!
>> Really!
>
> philosophically, that can't be true. he's simply a guy that calls
> himself that. or so you imagine.
Andrew Muzi could tell you what brand of European commuter bike one of
my relatives rides, since he sold said bike a couple of years ago.
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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 23:55:23
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> A Muzi wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\"
>>>>>>>>>>> Sherman"<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
-snip blah blah blah-
>>>> But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
>>> In this case I know Tom Sherman and he's. . . Tom Sherman!
>> philosophically, that can't be true. he's simply a guy that calls
>> himself that. or so you imagine.
> Andrew Muzi could tell you what brand of European commuter bike one of
> my relatives rides, since he sold said bike a couple of years ago.
I see her riding the other direction most afternoons on my way to the
Post Office. Didn't connect the 'Shermans' until now.
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 21:52:20
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> A Muzi wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\"
>>>>>>>>>>> Sherman"<sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>>>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you
>>>>>>>>>>> anonymous?
>>>>>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>>>>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>>>>>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> insults? I think not.
>>>>>>> look at the headers tom.
>>>>>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim
>>>>>> beam"?
>>>>>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
>>>>>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
>>>>>> credit card validation away.
>>>>> This may come as a shock, but pretty much *no one cares* if, for
>>>>> example, you are really "Tom Sherman" or even if "Tom Sherman" really
>>>>> exists.
>>>> I have provided my credit card information to more than one regular
>>>> poster to rec.bicycles.tech.
>>>>> You have bought hook, line and sinker into the "John who?", "John Doe
>>>>> anonomously sniped" and (my very fave), "a shy person wrote" bullshit.
>>>> So Sheldon Brown has a popular website. Get over it.
>>>>> Given some of the nutballs on the 'net, people without boundaries who
>>>>> will stalk and harass via email, snail mail, telephone, etc., there is
>>>>> good reason for folks to be reticent about full disclosure and, note
>>>>> this well, pretty much *no reason* to make such disclosure here on
>>>>> Usenet.
>>>> Well, the shop owners would be/are easy to find.
>>>>> Of course, forgeries, etc., are another case entirely.
>>>> But how do we tell the "real fake" from the "fake fake"?
>>>
>>> In this case I know Tom Sherman and he's. . . Tom Sherman!
>>> Really!
>>
>> philosophically, that can't be true. he's simply a guy that calls
>> himself that. or so you imagine.
>
> Andrew Muzi could tell you what brand of European commuter bike one of
> my relatives rides, since he sold said bike a couple of years ago.
>
"whoosh"
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 06:05:32
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Aug 7, 7:45 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "jim beam" wrote:
> >> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
> >>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> >>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
> >>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
>
> >>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
> >>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> >>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> >> dick in your butt, bitch
>
> > Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be taken
> > as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and insults?
> > I think not.
>
> look at the headers tom.-
It's amazing how lame some people can be, ain't it? Especially with
the Brandt forgeries appearing recently.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 20:28:54
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Aug 6, 10:24 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@invailid.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> > <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
> >> "jim beam" wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
> >> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
>
> > Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>
> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>
>
That would be difficult, but not as difficult as being less credible
than you are now.
BTW, snarky/snarkier/snarkiest works better than snarky/more snarky/
most snarky.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 20:19:51
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@invailid.com > wrote:
> "jim beam" wrote:
> > ...
> > beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>
> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
>
Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>> ...
>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
>>
>
> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
No, but I could be even more snarky.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 21:02:16
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
>>>
>>
>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>
> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
dick in your butt, bitch
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 01:36:33
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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"jim beam" wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
>>>>
>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
>
> dick in your butt, bitch
Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be taken
as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and insults?
I think not.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 05:45:10
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> "jim beam" wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>
>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
>>>>>
>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>
>>
>> dick in your butt, bitch
>
> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be taken
> as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and insults?
> I think not.
>
look at the headers tom.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 18:59:19
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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jim beam wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>>
>>>
>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>
>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
>> insults? I think not.
>>
>
> look at the headers tom.
Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
credit card validation away.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 20:48:34
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>>>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>>
>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
>>> insults? I think not.
>>>
>>
>> look at the headers tom.
>
> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
>
> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
> credit card validation away.
>
so i really /am/ jobst.brandt@standordalumni.org!
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 18:24:41
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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"jim beam" wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:24:10 -0500, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 10:08 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>>>>>> <sunsetss0...@invailid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>>>>>>>> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh
>>>>>>>> "jim"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying you would be even less credible were you anonymous?
>>>>>> No, but I could be even more snarky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> dick in your butt, bitch
>>>>
>>>> Now you are really building a case for yourself, "jim beam" to be
>>>> taken as an authority. Would Jobst Brandt stoop to such language and
>>>> insults? I think not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> look at the headers tom.
>>
>> Which is the real fake "jim beam" and which is the fake fake "jim beam"?
>>
>> There are several people here who post from multiple sources, and
>> getting access to a news-feed based in a foreign country is only a
>> credit card validation away.
>>
>
> so i really /am/ jobst.brandt@standordalumni.org!
The theory has been proposed before by others.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 19:53:15
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Kinky Cowboy wrote:
> My parts bin contains some SH-50 and SH-51 cleats, which are quite
> different in the detailed shape of both front and rear engagement
> parts. It looks as though the SH-50 would provide some float. On
> Sheldon Brown, there doesn't seem to be any distinction between the
> two.
>
> Am I right about the float, or is there some other functional
> difference between these cleats?
>
> I'm going to swap out the unsuitable SH-55 cleats on my spare shoes so
> I can use them with the PD-M959 pedals on my touring bike, on which I
> currently use SH-51 cleats. Given that I don't crave float, do I stick
> with the SH-51, or is there a reason to try the SH-50?
>
since you already have them, why don't you just try them out yourself?
beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 22:08:52
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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"jim beam" wrote:
> ...
> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 20:21:21
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> "jim beam" wrote:
>> ...
>> beats unsubstantiated opinions from anonymous trolls.
>
> Nothing like the lack of credibility from anonymous posters, eh "jim"?
>
why'd you think i said it, "tom"?
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 21:48:00
From: AWN
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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As far as I know, here's the deal on these cleats. I prefer the
multi-release with a tiny bit of float. I would take multi-release with no
float but I'm not sure the design is possible.
SM-SH50 no float
SM-SH51 float
SM-SH55 float and multi release.
I don't think any of the Shimano cleat/pedal combos will float much more
than 4-6 degrees but I could be wrong.
The confusion enters the picture when different pedal/cleat combos slightly
change the float characteristics due to the actual clamp profile/design. I
ride with the 959s and the SH55 cleat. This combination works great for me
on my XC bike.
I hope this helps?
Andrew.
On 8/6/07 7:26 PM, in article t0bfb35d4aompi2721v5421fl74opke7qv@4ax.com,
"Kinky Cowboy" <user@domain.com > wrote:
> My parts bin contains some SH-50 and SH-51 cleats, which are quite
> different in the detailed shape of both front and rear engagement
> parts. It looks as though the SH-50 would provide some float. On
> Sheldon Brown, there doesn't seem to be any distinction between the
> two.
>
> Am I right about the float, or is there some other functional
> difference between these cleats?
>
> I'm going to swap out the unsuitable SH-55 cleats on my spare shoes so
> I can use them with the PD-M959 pedals on my touring bike, on which I
> currently use SH-51 cleats. Given that I don't crave float, do I stick
> with the SH-51, or is there a reason to try the SH-50?
>
> Kinky Cowboy*
>
> *Batteries not included
> May contain traces of nuts
> Your milage may vary
>
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 10:24:01
From: Kinky Cowboy
Subject: Re: SH-50 or SH-51 cleats with PD-M959 pedals?
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:48:00 -0400, AWN <anixon1@cogeco.ca > wrote:
>As far as I know, here's the deal on these cleats. I prefer the
>multi-release with a tiny bit of float. I would take multi-release with no
>float but I'm not sure the design is possible.
>
>SM-SH50 no float
>SM-SH51 float
>SM-SH55 float and multi release.
>
>I don't think any of the Shimano cleat/pedal combos will float much more
>than 4-6 degrees but I could be wrong.
>
>The confusion enters the picture when different pedal/cleat combos slightly
>change the float characteristics due to the actual clamp profile/design. I
>ride with the 959s and the SH55 cleat. This combination works great for me
>on my XC bike.
>
>I hope this helps?
>
>Andrew.
>
>
>On 8/6/07 7:26 PM, in article t0bfb35d4aompi2721v5421fl74opke7qv@4ax.com,
>"Kinky Cowboy" <user@domain.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm going to swap out the unsuitable SH-55 cleats on my spare shoes so
>> I can use them with the PD-M959 pedals on my touring bike, on which I
>> currently use SH-51 cleats. Given that I don't crave float, do I stick
>> with the SH-51, or is there a reason to try the SH-50?
>>
Thanks. Glad the controversial SH-55/M959 combo is working out for
you, I find it prone to inadvertent release off road, though I suppose
this is less likely on my touring bike anyway. I think I'll give the
SH-50 a try for a while
Kinky Cowboy*
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