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Date: 27 Aug 2007 14:46:43
From: OughtFour
Subject: Saddle Care
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The leather on my Serfas Cosmos (at least I think it's leather) started to
alligator and fail this year. Is that typical? Could I have prolonged the
life of the saddle with some treatments or maintenance? Would a synthetic be
better for my next saddle?
I've had it 4 or 5 years so maybe it's just par for the course.
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 04:32:31
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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if you sit on it.
did you search "neatsfoot oil' ? one producer offers discussion on
sperm whale oil
the next search (and ima gonna limit this to getbover to the sox/yanks
game) brings one of these here product limited sites like what's the
BRITISH purveyor offer a $800 jersye? and its goes onj about nuturing
dah leather blah blah blah yammeryammmer then declares this virgin
neatsfoot oil is diluted with Barium sulfide soas to kill the
neatsfoot oil microbes.
OK NOW everyone using NFO and refrigerating it raise your left hand.
there's a sidebar. I assume, (this time ima goin to bed) the excess
soap capacity as glycerol has something to do with this NFO
processing. There is a huge glycerol supply, so large glycerol (pre-
soap) is gettinjg modded into biofuel.
gonna be a cow in ur tank dude!
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 23:15:59
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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ahhhhh BS!
jello is food. gellatin is food.
"neatsfoot oil" can be anything and usually is so beware.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 22:05:57
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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datakoll wrote:
>
> but neatsfoot oil is a petroleum distillate and is poisonous.
> thus the friction reductive, prophylactic grocery overbag.
Neatsfoot oil is a kind of cow extract. It's nasty and it smells bad,
and some folks say it shortens the lifespan of leather goods, but it
is not toxic. Some manufacturers might dilute it with naphtha or the
like, but that part isn't neatsfoot oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neatsfoot_oil
Chalo
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 08:43:18
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:05:57 -0000, Chalo wrote:
> Neatsfoot oil is a kind of cow extract.
From their hooves IIRC. It's very good as a honing lubricant.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 21:37:57
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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On Aug 28, 4:02 pm, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Aug 28, 2:37 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > OughtFour wrote:
> > > "Mike Jacoubowsky wrote
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> > > > 4 or 5 years for a saddle that actually gets used, and spends a bit of
> > > > time in the sun.
>
> > > Mostly it spends its outdoor time in the shade of my anatomy. But I take
> > > your point. Sounds like saddle oil etc would not especially help.
>
> > Using an emollients couldn't hurt, as long as you pick one that
> > doesn't unduly soften the leather. My motorcycle gear and shoes last
> > much longer now that I take pains to rub them with some ointment when
> > they start looking dry. Obenauf's LP is what I use, because it
> > doesn't soften the leather much, effectively waterproofs the item, and
> > smells nice like beeswax.
>
> >http://www.obenaufs.com/lp.php
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> > Chalo
>
> I prophylactically apply Bag Balm to my nether regions (against saddle
> sores) and it works its way through my chamois onto the seat. Seems
> to act much like leather conditioner. All of my saddles are in
> excellent condition except for road rash. One is five years old.
>
> D'ohBoy- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Bag Balm contains lanolin from sheep's wool or did? generally thought
of as non-poisonous.
but neatsfoot oil is a petroleum distillate and is poisonous.
thus the friction reductive, prophylactic grocery overbag.
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 04:22:16
From: still me
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:37:57 -0000, datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>but neatsfoot oil is a petroleum distillate and is poisonous.
If you drink it.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 13:02:33
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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On Aug 28, 2:37 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> OughtFour wrote:
> > "Mike Jacoubowsky wrote
>
> > > 4 or 5 years for a saddle that actually gets used, and spends a bit of
> > > time in the sun.
>
> > Mostly it spends its outdoor time in the shade of my anatomy. But I take
> > your point. Sounds like saddle oil etc would not especially help.
>
> Using an emollients couldn't hurt, as long as you pick one that
> doesn't unduly soften the leather. My motorcycle gear and shoes last
> much longer now that I take pains to rub them with some ointment when
> they start looking dry. Obenauf's LP is what I use, because it
> doesn't soften the leather much, effectively waterproofs the item, and
> smells nice like beeswax.
>
> http://www.obenaufs.com/lp.php
>
> Chalo
I prophylactically apply Bag Balm to my nether regions (against saddle
sores) and it works its way through my chamois onto the seat. Seems
to act much like leather conditioner. All of my saddles are in
excellent condition except for road rash. One is five years old.
D'ohBoy
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 21:18:02
From: still me
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:02:33 -0700, D'ohBoy <petengail@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>I prophylactically apply Bag Balm to my nether regions (against saddle
>sores) and it works its way through my chamois onto the seat. Seems
>to act much like leather conditioner. All of my saddles are in
>excellent condition except for road rash. One is five years old.
>
>D'ohBoy
I sanded off the shiny finish Brooks put on my saddle so that I could
get neatsfoot oil to absorb, oiled my saddle heavily a few times top
and bottom (I know... how un-recommended!) . Then I treated it
terribly for years by forgetting to oil it and riding it in wet shorts
when taking swims in the lake mid bike ride.
It's 35 years old and looking good. I did oil it again last year.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:37:45
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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OughtFour wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky wrote
>
> > 4 or 5 years for a saddle that actually gets used, and spends a bit of
> > time in the sun.
>
> Mostly it spends its outdoor time in the shade of my anatomy. But I take
> your point. Sounds like saddle oil etc would not especially help.
Using an emollients couldn't hurt, as long as you pick one that
doesn't unduly soften the leather. My motorcycle gear and shoes last
much longer now that I take pains to rub them with some ointment when
they start looking dry. Obenauf's LP is what I use, because it
doesn't soften the leather much, effectively waterproofs the item, and
smells nice like beeswax.
http://www.obenaufs.com/lp.php
Chalo
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 02:49:24
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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On Aug 27, 3:08 pm, "OughtFour" <lus...@rnospam.com > wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>
> > 4 or 5 years for a saddle that actually gets used, and spends a bit of
> > time in the sun.
>
> Mostly it spends its outdoor time in the shade of my anatomy. But I take
> your point. Sounds like saddle oil etc would not especially help.
>
> > A good leather saddle (not plastic-based, but full leather) can last
> > longer if taken care of, but that's not just because it's leather, but
> > also because there's no padding to break down. The leather also has an
> > easier time when there's no padding, since it's not having to flex nearly
> > as much.
>
> Tempting, and I've read about these saddles, but I think I'll go with
> another 5-year padded model. Maybe with a little less padding than the
> Serfas Cosmos had, though.
>
> Thanks for your comments everyone.
before you go, try Specialized for a minkow gel cell. hard yet soft
and crotch AC. the model below mitty racer.
the grocery bag is leather lube containment and salt/perspiration
exclusion. Synthetics allow h20 into the foam (maybe not gel?), foam
expands, weakens the synthetic covering as your butt squishes it
beyond capacity.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 15:51:43
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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buy food? when the checkout asks
paper or plastic
grab a bag
and tie it
around
the saddle.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 17:35:32
From: OughtFour
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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"datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1188229903.852757.10940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> buy food? when the checkout asks
> paper or plastic
> grab a bag
> and tie it
> around
> the saddle.
I was thinking this over and realized that when my job moved two years ago I
began locking my bike up outside--in a spot that gets sun later in the day.
So what I said before is wrong and sunlight likely a cause.
I'll try the bag trick with my next saddle.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 08:37:42
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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> The leather on my Serfas Cosmos (at least I think it's leather) started to
> alligator and fail this year. Is that typical? Could I have prolonged the
> life of the saddle with some treatments or maintenance? Would a synthetic
> be better for my next saddle?
>
> I've had it 4 or 5 years so maybe it's just par for the course.
4 or 5 years for a saddle that actually gets used, and spends a bit of time
in the sun. A good leather saddle (not plastic-based, but full leather) can
last longer if taken care of, but that's not just because it's leather, but
also because there's no padding to break down. The leather also has an
easier time when there's no padding, since it's not having to flex nearly as
much.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 19:08:38
From: OughtFour
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote
> 4 or 5 years for a saddle that actually gets used, and spends a bit of
> time in the sun.
Mostly it spends its outdoor time in the shade of my anatomy. But I take
your point. Sounds like saddle oil etc would not especially help.
> A good leather saddle (not plastic-based, but full leather) can last
> longer if taken care of, but that's not just because it's leather, but
> also because there's no padding to break down. The leather also has an
> easier time when there's no padding, since it's not having to flex nearly
> as much.
Tempting, and I've read about these saddles, but I think I'll go with
another 5-year padded model. Maybe with a little less padding than the
Serfas Cosmos had, though.
Thanks for your comments everyone.
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 15:21:36
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Saddle Care
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On Aug 27, 9:46 am, "OughtFour" <lus...@rnospam.com > wrote:
> The leather on my Serfas Cosmos (at least I think it's leather) started to
> alligator and fail this year. Is that typical? Could I have prolonged the
> life of the saddle with some treatments or maintenance? Would a synthetic be
> better for my next saddle?
Some good synthetics out there, most certainly, but a leather covered
saddle should last till the foam breaks down--or indefinitely. I
saddle soap mine perhaps yearly and shine it up with wax shoe polish.
>
> I've had it 4 or 5 years so maybe it's just par for the course.
If it's seen a lot of sun from being parked outside, 4 or 5 years is a
pretty good lifespan.
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